#emc | Logs for 2005-02-15

[02:20:37] <a70camaro> anybody here tonight?
[07:28:33] <anonimasu> good morning
[09:27:31] <anonimasu> I got my vise today
[09:27:31] <anonimasu> :)
[13:39:53] <anonimasu> * anonimasu slaps turbocnc
[14:38:57] <anonimasu> HEY
[14:39:27] <anonimasu> err
[14:39:28] <anonimasu> hello
[14:46:06] <alex_joni> hello
[14:51:24] <anonimasu> I've been to the bank today
[14:52:02] <anonimasu> I made my final decision, never turbocnc ever again.
[14:52:05] <anonimasu> :)
[14:52:16] <alex_joni> hihi
[14:52:17] <alex_joni> cool
[14:52:20] <anonimasu> I ran a roughing toolpath for the prototype I am going to make..
[14:52:24] <alex_joni> * alex_joni digs in ssl stuff ;)
[14:52:28] <anonimasu> err simulated it..
[14:52:31] <anonimasu> it'd take 57 minutes..
[14:52:45] <anonimasu> due to the lack of motion planner..
[14:52:46] <anonimasu> :)
[14:53:02] <anonimasu> and any blending at all..
[14:53:19] <cradek> that doesn't sound like a hard decision to make
[14:53:30] <anonimasu> yeah..
[14:53:30] <cradek> let's see, closed source, windows, no motion planner
[14:53:35] <anonimasu> dos..
[14:53:38] <cradek> OR: open source, linux, good motion planner
[14:53:39] <anonimasu> it's semi closed..
[14:53:50] <anonimasu> cradek: I just need somone to help me set up my axis:es..
[14:53:54] <anonimasu> :/
[14:54:00] <cradek> what's wrong with them?
[14:54:15] <anonimasu> oh, I cant seem to understand how to configure them..
[14:54:22] <anonimasu> or well my units..
[14:55:26] <anonimasu> yeah, it's not a hard decision to make, but since there's no docs on setting emc2 up it's a bit harder..
[14:55:29] <anonimasu> :)
[14:56:01] <anonimasu> I got a machine vise today..
[14:56:04] <anonimasu> also :)
[15:00:57] <cradek> anonimasu: are you trying to use metric or inches?
[15:01:19] <cradek> you should probably ask jmk for help if you're trying to use emc2
[15:01:29] <anonimasu> metric
[15:01:48] <cradek> yeah I won't be any help with that then
[15:01:54] <cradek> I do have a working setup in inches
[15:03:37] <anonimasu> you set up "UNITS=1" to use metric then you set up the length in the core_stepper.hal isnt that right?
[15:03:41] <anonimasu> :)
[15:05:14] <cradek> I think all the parameters in hal are in steps, not units
[15:05:19] <cradek> the units are only relevant in the ini file
[15:05:45] <anonimasu> steps per unit..
[15:05:46] <anonimasu> ok
[15:08:29] <anonimasu> I should give this another shot in a bit
[15:08:49] <anonimasu> just going to re-calc my steps..
[15:09:56] <alex_joni> cradek: may I trouble you with a question?
[15:10:07] <cradek> sure
[15:10:23] <alex_joni> do you have any deb experience?
[15:10:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni installed sarge
[15:10:36] <alex_joni> and is fighting with an imapd
[15:10:46] <anonimasu> fighting?
[15:10:49] <anonimasu> ^_^
[15:10:51] <cradek> no, but I have lots of other unix experience
[15:11:01] <alex_joni> I wonder what imapd I should run
[15:11:01] <anonimasu> I have a bit of dev experience
[15:11:04] <anonimasu> deb
[15:11:20] <anonimasu> courier imap.. works great
[15:11:22] <anonimasu> :)
[15:11:34] <cradek> you should run whatever supports mbx format mailboxes
[15:12:16] <anonimasu> courier does that..
[15:12:46] <cradek> if you have big mail folders mbx works much better than mbox
[15:13:06] <alex_joni> * alex_joni apt-get installed courier-imap
[15:13:21] <anonimasu> :)
[15:13:26] <anonimasu> I run it at work..
[15:13:29] <alex_joni> an0n: do I need special incantations for courier-ssl certs?
[15:13:35] <anonimasu> nope
[15:13:39] <anonimasu> you just generate them..
[15:13:48] <alex_joni> openssl?
[15:13:53] <anonimasu> yeah
[15:14:08] <anonimasu> you have two files in your courier imap etc dir..
[15:14:23] <anonimasu> where you set up your pop3 and imapd ssl certs..
[15:14:47] <alex_joni> where is that?
[15:14:58] <anonimasu> wait
[15:15:49] <anonimasu> :)
[15:16:14] <anonimasu> /usr/lib/courier-imap/
[15:16:34] <alex_joni> don't I need to apt-get courier-ssl ?
[15:16:46] <anonimasu> no
[15:16:51] <anonimasu> it should be default..
[15:16:54] <anonimasu> atleast in any sane dist :)
[15:16:56] <alex_joni> courier-imap-ssl ?
[15:17:24] <anonimasu> I just I installed it manually so I am unsure..
[15:17:29] <alex_joni> me too ;)
[15:17:39] <anonimasu> compiled aswell..
[15:17:50] <anonimasu> but it should be there
[15:18:14] <anonimasu> check the etc dir for configs
[15:20:19] <anonimasu> :)
[15:28:24] <alex_joni> darn thing
[15:28:28] <alex_joni> doesn't work :(
[15:28:33] <anonimasu> ?
[15:28:42] <anonimasu> what does it tell you?
[15:29:06] <alex_joni> IMAP connection broken (server response)
[15:29:34] <anonimasu> that's really weird
[15:35:27] <alex_joni> an0n: how do I see what packages are installed?
[15:35:31] <alex_joni> apt-get ?
[15:36:01] <jepler> dselect something something?
[15:36:06] <websys> dpkg -l
[15:36:55] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[15:36:56] <anonimasu> bbiab
[15:37:04] <alex_joni> websys: thx
[15:37:08] <websys> yw
[15:37:09] <anonimasu> going to move my emc comp down to the basement so I can play with some settings
[15:37:22] <alex_joni> cool
[15:37:25] <anonimasu> I didnt know how to do that :)
[15:37:28] <alex_joni> ask away for help
[15:37:35] <anonimasu> yeah I will probably ;)
[15:39:39] <alex_joni> websys: and to see files for a certain package?
[15:40:02] <alex_joni> I wonder if uw-imapd creates a /etc/initd/imapd script or not (can't seem to find it)
[15:40:12] <websys> Hmmm - have to dig for that one
[15:42:46] <websys> dpkg -c DEBFILE
[15:42:53] <alex_joni> thx
[15:43:41] <cradek> alex_joni: surely imapd is run by inetd
[15:43:51] <alex_joni> cradek: yes it is
[15:43:56] <alex_joni> unlike courier-imap
[15:49:21] <anonimasu> :)
[15:58:59] <anonimasu> :)
[16:08:54] <websys> alex_joni: BTW your deb files are cached in /var/cache/apt/archives
[16:10:36] <alex_joni> found them already.. but thx
[16:13:54] <anonimasu> hm, I am trying this in a sec..
[16:13:55] <anonimasu> :)
[16:14:03] <anonimasu> hopefully I wont get that joint following error anymore
[16:15:36] <anonimasu> Joint following error..
[16:15:38] <anonimasu> :/
[16:15:57] <alex_joni> an0n: mail me the config
[16:16:03] <alex_joni> or paste it somewhere
[16:16:30] <anonimasu> sure
[16:17:35] <anonimasu> I changed the stepgen.0.position-scale to 320 for all axis:es
[16:17:56] <anonimasu> and the LINEAR_UNITS=1 in the emc.ini and UNITS=1 for each axis..
[16:18:46] <anonimasu> if you wait I'll uppload the complete one..
[16:19:16] <alex_joni> better
[16:23:27] <anonimasu>
[16:25:01] <alex_joni> what error are you getting?
[16:25:06] <alex_joni> following error?
[16:25:21] <alex_joni> try increasing MIN_FERROR
[16:25:40] <anonimasu> what's a usual value for that?
[16:25:41] <alex_joni> right now min_ferror is = 0.002 mm ???
[16:25:51] <alex_joni> make it 1 mm
[16:25:59] <alex_joni> or higher to see if it works
[16:26:16] <anonimasu> 0.01 ;)
[16:26:17] <anonimasu> trying that first
[16:26:18] <alex_joni> which axis does ferror?
[16:26:18] <alex_joni> all of them?
[16:26:18] <alex_joni> or only Y,Z
[16:26:33] <anonimasu> all
[16:26:34] <alex_joni> 0.01 mm ???
[16:26:43] <alex_joni> increase it a bit
[16:27:07] <alex_joni> also min_limit and max_limit are wrong
[16:27:15] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[16:27:22] <alex_joni> I don't think you want to travel 4mm ;)
[16:27:31] <anonimasu> works now
[16:27:32] <anonimasu> :)
[16:27:38] <anonimasu> neat!
[16:27:52] <anonimasu> it works great with 0.01
[16:28:04] <anonimasu> I think the limit was lower then the size of each step
[16:28:09] <anonimasu> um
[16:28:10] <anonimasu> yeah
[16:28:11] <anonimasu> it was :9
[16:28:13] <anonimasu> <- idiot
[16:29:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni doesn't dare to disagree :))
[16:29:23] <alex_joni> ok.. so it works now?
[16:29:37] <anonimasu> yeah
[16:29:37] <anonimasu> :)
[16:29:51] <anonimasu> I need a USB fd drive..
[16:29:52] <anonimasu> :)
[16:30:03] <anonimasu> going to try out running from the cam program in a bit and try milling somthing
[16:30:05] <anonimasu> or simulating..
[16:30:16] <alex_joni> use axis ;)
[16:32:25] <anonimasu> hm, the interface?
[16:33:07] <alex_joni> nah...
[16:33:11] <alex_joni> the GREAT interface ;)
[16:33:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hates imapd !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:35:23] <anonimasu> haha
[16:35:27] <anonimasu> I think I'll use this one for a bit.. :I)
[16:42:37] <alex_joni> glad to hear it works an0n
[16:50:15] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home
[16:50:16] <alex_joni> bye guys
[17:00:15] <anonimasu> I wanna see /win 12
[17:00:17] <anonimasu> whoops
[17:10:00] <anonimasu> iab
[17:10:01] <anonimasu> :)
[19:36:04] <websys> robin - saw your disc. about CAD on Sun. - did you try Synergy?
[19:36:20] <robin_sz> websys: CAD?
[19:36:30] <robin_sz> no, I have LOTS of cad
[19:36:38] <websys> or was it a different robin_z?
[19:36:43] <robin_sz> its CAM I lack
[19:36:54] <robin_sz> no that was me
[19:36:56] <websys> Synergy has the CAM included
[19:37:08] <robin_sz> is it 3D?
[19:37:14] <websys> and 2D
[19:37:22] <robin_sz> hmm ... I'll have a look
[19:37:24] <robin_sz> thanks
[19:37:30] <websys> we used to do plasma/flame cutter stuff so it's in there too
[19:37:44] <robin_sz> right
[19:37:48] <robin_sz> thats encouraging
[19:37:57] <robin_sz> will it run on 'doze?
[19:38:07] <websys> and it's nearly free :)
[19:38:12] <robin_sz> heh :)
[19:38:17] <websys> bith Linux and Doze
[19:38:25] <robin_sz> non-free is fine, as long as it works :)
[19:38:27] <websys> both
[19:38:43] <robin_sz> sheetcam is my current plaything
[19:38:51] <websys> well it does most of what you were talking about
[19:38:55] <robin_sz> http://www.sheetcam.com
[19:39:13] <robin_sz> I'm just trying to persuade the author to modify it a bit ;)
[19:40:11] <websys> You can modify our stuff as much as you want
[19:40:18] <robin_sz> coo,
[19:40:25] <robin_sz> why do you hide it so well ;)
[19:40:38] <websys> small operation
[19:40:52] <websys> but it's on the BDI now
[19:41:00] <robin_sz> heh, right loooking now
[19:41:18] <robin_sz> you know my interest I presume?
[19:41:28] <websys> only prob is I don't have an install prog. for people to download the Doze version
[19:41:34] <robin_sz> I make plasma cutters ( or try to)
[19:41:40] <websys> but I can give you a zip file
[19:42:06] <websys> if you can unzip it the right place
[19:42:33] <robin_sz> sure
[19:42:41] <robin_sz> how big is the .zip?
[19:42:51] <robin_sz> (incoming mail is limited to 10mb)
[19:43:29] <websys> ummmm - have to remake it - right now it's 58 meg - can you use ftp?
[19:43:42] <robin_sz> eep. thats quite big
[19:43:50] <robin_sz> yeah I can ftp stuff
[19:44:10] <websys> I think I could get it down to 40 or 20 if I remove the solid modeler
[19:44:31] <robin_sz> let me just check it will be able to do what I need, you can answer questions on it here ok?
[19:44:53] <websys> want to go to a private chat?
[19:45:04] <robin_sz> whatever you are happier with
[20:06:50] <anonimasu> hello
[20:06:50] <anonimasu> :)
[20:07:02] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[20:07:09] <alex_joni> how's the mill running?
[20:07:53] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I've just been testing it out on the bench..
[20:08:06] <anonimasu> I'll mill the plastic part tomorrow morning
[20:08:18] <anonimasu> I am just playing with getting the accel... and max velocity high enough
[20:08:28] <alex_joni> hehe ;)
[20:08:33] <alex_joni> nice to hear that
[20:08:53] <anonimasu> I like the speed of it loads..
[20:10:31] <anonimasu> I might try axis in a bit..
[20:10:45] <anonimasu> I have a working post for visualmill now also
[20:11:41] <anonimasu> hm, but well, it still seems like my feeds are a bit slow..
[20:12:10] <alex_joni> websys: still about?
[20:12:15] <websys> yes
[20:12:33] <anonimasu> what is max_velocity in units?
[20:12:34] <alex_joni> I just read through the logs about synergy ;)
[20:12:49] <alex_joni> an0n: the max speed you want to be able to run
[20:13:02] <anonimasu> 1000mm/min..
[20:13:03] <anonimasu> about
[20:13:07] <alex_joni> websys: could I try it too?
[20:13:14] <websys> certainly
[20:13:18] <alex_joni> an0n: well then 1000 is the value you need
[20:13:35] <anonimasu> ah nice
[20:13:35] <anonimasu> !
[20:13:35] <anonimasu> :)
[20:14:23] <anonimasu> and the max_accel
[20:14:25] <anonimasu> is that in seconds?
[20:14:53] <alex_joni> units/sec^2
[20:14:58] <alex_joni> and the first is units/sec
[20:15:50] <anonimasu> ah ok
[20:16:11] <alex_joni> but.. you know the rule:
[20:16:15] <alex_joni> code a little, test a little
[20:16:28] <alex_joni> with emc it's : tweak a little, test a little ;)
[20:16:36] <anonimasu> so yeah
[20:16:37] <anonimasu> hehe
[20:16:43] <anonimasu> but it's better to know what you are tweaking
[20:17:37] <anonimasu> ;D
[20:18:19] <anonimasu> tweaking variables of the type "thingamabob" dosent quite help ;)
[20:18:37] <alex_joni> like max_speed ?
[20:18:46] <alex_joni> or max_accel?
[20:18:59] <anonimasu> yeah, if it's meters/s or units/s
[20:19:04] <anonimasu> or units/hr
[20:19:16] <alex_joni> everything is in units
[20:19:27] <alex_joni> that's why you can state the UNITS
[20:19:57] <anonimasu> so UNITS=100
[20:20:10] <anonimasu> 100*60=m/s
[20:20:15] <anonimasu> err m/min
[20:20:27] <anonimasu> heh might be a little bit fast :)
[20:20:38] <alex_joni> lol
[20:20:50] <anonimasu> might be why it ferrors ;)
[20:21:40] <anonimasu> what would a sensible accel be?
[20:21:55] <anonimasu> I ran mine at 40000hz/s at the turbocnc..
[20:25:08] <alex_joni> an0n: what was that imapd again?
[20:25:09] <alex_joni> courier?
[20:25:23] <anonimasu> yes
[20:28:44] <anonimasu> ah works now..
[20:28:51] <anonimasu> I moved the HALFILEMAX
[20:28:52] <alex_joni> cool
[20:28:52] <anonimasu> :)
[20:29:01] <anonimasu> to HALFILE <cr> MAX
[20:29:26] <alex_joni> what's wrong with "alias ll 'ls -al'"
[20:30:14] <anonimasu> alias ll='ls -al'
[20:30:18] <anonimasu> =
[20:30:23] <alex_joni> yeah.. just figured it out
[20:30:27] <alex_joni> the first one is for sh
[20:30:30] <alex_joni> not bash ;)
[20:30:41] <anonimasu> * anonimasu hugs zsh
[20:30:46] <alex_joni> actually csh
[20:30:49] <alex_joni> zsh?
[20:31:02] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:31:10] <anonimasu> it's a nice shell :)
[20:31:44] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is a bash fan
[20:32:08] <alex_joni> when I started using bash.. I was born again ;)
[20:32:37] <anonimasu> I am a tab abuser..
[20:32:48] <anonimasu> I wish there was a good code editor with tab completions
[20:32:50] <anonimasu> err completion..
[20:32:55] <anonimasu> for variables and stuff.
[20:33:01] <anonimasu> functions..
[20:33:02] <alex_joni> * alex_joni so agrees
[20:33:06] <anonimasu> it'd be so quick to code with
[20:33:07] <anonimasu> :)
[20:33:28] <alex_joni> I think mc is nice as an editor
[20:33:30] <anonimasu> * anonimasu makes a mental note on that
[20:33:38] <alex_joni> better than vi & family ;)
[20:34:29] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:34:37] <anonimasu> anything but vi..
[20:34:40] <anonimasu> vim is pretty nice though
[20:34:43] <anonimasu> but vi is awky
[20:34:51] <alex_joni> how about emacs?
[20:34:52] <alex_joni> =))
[20:34:58] <anonimasu> lol
[20:35:07] <anonimasu> * anonimasu cant touch emacs with a stick
[20:35:43] <anonimasu> hm this works nice when backplotting..
[20:35:46] <anonimasu> but it still seems slow...
[20:35:53] <anonimasu> I am machining plastic... :/
[20:36:04] <alex_joni> I just had a thought...
[20:36:14] <alex_joni> hitting tab completes stuff.. right?
[20:36:20] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:36:26] <anonimasu> dont you use that in bash?
[20:36:34] <alex_joni> I think sometimes it would be usefull to uncomplete (e.g. wrong choice)
[20:36:37] <alex_joni> smthg like an undo
[20:36:44] <alex_joni> (perhaps shift-tab)
[20:36:46] <anonimasu> oh, you tab multiple times...
[20:36:53] <anonimasu> and it cycles between what you want..
[20:37:05] <anonimasu> and if you write more char's it narrows it down..
[20:37:05] <alex_joni> nah.. that would be annoying ;)
[20:37:14] <anonimasu> oh it's how it works in zsh/bash :)
[20:37:25] <alex_joni> in bash I know
[20:37:32] <alex_joni> but that's not what I mean
[20:37:35] <anonimasu> zsh shows a list of possibilities..
[20:37:41] <anonimasu> yeah that's a bit annoying
[20:37:42] <alex_joni> say I was looking for INSTALL
[20:38:03] <alex_joni> but I was somewhere else with my mind, and I typed R-tab
[20:38:11] <alex_joni> it quickly expanded to RELEASES
[20:38:18] <alex_joni> but I need ot go back, and expand I
[20:38:28] <alex_joni> now I need to delete all the letter tab expanded
[20:39:13] <anonimasu> alt + backspace ;)
[20:39:49] <anonimasu> removes the whole previous word..
[20:40:00] <anonimasu> although somthing with tab would be easier to remember
[20:40:17] <alex_joni> definately not alt-tab ;)
[20:40:32] <anonimasu> shift+tab
[20:40:42] <anonimasu> or ctrl tab would be nice
[20:40:47] <alex_joni> read a few posts sooner ;)
[20:40:57] <anonimasu> :D
[20:41:03] <anonimasu> sorry.. mind is wandering around
[20:42:04] <anonimasu> hehe
[20:42:10] <anonimasu> playing with emc
[20:42:14] <alex_joni> coo
[20:43:09] <anonimasu> trying to get this toolpath to go fast..
[20:43:27] <anonimasu> still milling the o in the middle feels very slow..
[20:43:46] <anonimasu> ah F500 helps ;)
[20:44:40] <anonimasu> what motion planner does emc2 use by default?
[20:44:51] <alex_joni> I think the non-segmot
[20:45:00] <anonimasu> hm, ah, that might be why it's jerky..
[20:45:01] <anonimasu> :)
[20:45:55] <anonimasu> does segmot work ?
[20:46:04] <alex_joni> yes it does
[20:46:15] <anonimasu> and how do you enable it..
[20:46:40] <anonimasu> nm
[20:46:41] <anonimasu> ;)
[20:46:43] <alex_joni> you need to use another executable for task
[20:47:15] <anonimasu> hm, ok
[20:48:13] <anonimasu> do you have to compile it separately or does it compile with the rest+
[20:48:14] <anonimasu> ?
[20:48:42] <alex_joni> it should compile
[20:48:49] <alex_joni> but if it doesn't .. you need to
[20:50:07] <anonimasu> hm, it's the TASK= you change right?
[20:50:42] <anonimasu> sorry for asking lots of stuff :)
[20:50:55] <cradek> you change EMCMOT=, not TASK
[20:50:57] <alex_joni> yup
[20:51:09] <alex_joni> an0n: yup on what cradek said
[20:51:10] <anonimasu> what do I change it to?
[20:51:21] <cradek> EMCMOT=steppersegmod.o
[20:51:25] <anonimasu> ok
[20:51:55] <anonimasu> it's not there..
[20:51:56] <anonimasu> ls
[20:52:19] <alex_joni> cradek: is there segmod for emc2?
[20:52:34] <cradek> alex_joni: not that I've touched
[20:52:43] <alex_joni> don't seem to see one
[20:52:44] <alex_joni> :(
[20:52:49] <anonimasu> :/
[20:52:55] <anonimasu> isnt les running emc2..
[20:52:58] <cradek> oh you are using emc2?
[20:53:00] <alex_joni> noep
[20:53:01] <alex_joni> nope
[20:53:01] <anonimasu> or is that emc1?..
[20:53:02] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:53:14] <cradek> no, les has servos
[20:53:18] <alex_joni> les is running emc1 with servos iirc
[20:53:19] <cradek> emc2 is no use to him
[20:53:31] <alex_joni> cradek: yet
[20:54:05] <anonimasu> hm..
[20:54:13] <anonimasu> I wonder if I can get emc1 to compile on the box..
[20:55:09] <anonimasu> hm emc runs on the box..
[20:55:10] <anonimasu> neat..
[20:55:32] <anonimasu> or well.. I can see the logo..
[20:55:34] <anonimasu> but nothing more :)
[20:55:47] <alex_joni> on what box?
[20:55:54] <anonimasu> the same as I run emc2 on..
[20:56:03] <alex_joni> did you compile?
[20:56:27] <anonimasu> emc2. yes but not emc1
[20:57:26] <alex_joni> well.. start compiling emc1 then ;)
[20:57:33] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[20:57:44] <alex_joni> if you're not happy with emc2
[20:57:58] <anonimasu> lol, 50 minutes for making a small part dosent make me happy
[20:58:04] <anonimasu> :)
[20:58:15] <alex_joni> don't think that's a seg-related stuff
[20:58:23] <alex_joni> more a speed issue
[20:58:28] <alex_joni> cradek: am I right?
[20:58:48] <anonimasu> 500mm/min should be pretty fast..
[20:58:52] <anonimasu> the part is 6x6cm
[20:59:09] <alex_joni> an0n: if your accel is slow... you can't go fast on short moves
[20:59:24] <cradek> alex_joni: what's the question?
[20:59:36] <alex_joni> does segmod improve the speed?
[21:00:06] <anonimasu> wouldnt blending the lines instead of stopping and changing direction.. help with that..
[21:00:08] <cradek> depends greatly on the program
[21:00:19] <cradek> if you have mixed arcs and lines, it's a big help
[21:00:29] <cradek> on any program the motion is less jerky
[21:00:42] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks anonimasu needs more work on his setup
[21:00:51] <cradek> if your machine is pretty light so the jerkiness doesn't bother it, the old planner is just fine
[21:00:52] <alex_joni> I'd change the accel values too
[21:01:53] <anonimasu> oh, it dosent matter that much..
[21:02:03] <anonimasu> but the time to mill the part is supposed to be a couple of minutes..
[21:02:03] <anonimasu> :)
[21:02:08] <alex_joni> accel matters very mouch
[21:02:16] <alex_joni> if you have short moves
[21:02:19] <anonimasu> if it takes 50 minutes I could machine it in stainless instead..
[21:02:35] <alex_joni> accel matters a lot more than speed
[21:02:46] <cradek> that's right
[21:03:20] <alex_joni> you can go up to speed.. but only following a max_accel
[21:03:36] <alex_joni> if the max_accel is low, you won't reach the max_speed (or only very late)
[21:04:51] <anonimasu> yep
[21:04:59] <robin_sz> meep?
[21:05:17] <alex_joni> try increasing it till it starts loosing steps, then decrease it a bit
[21:05:22] <anonimasu> * anonimasu thought lookahead would make a big difference in making the program continous..
[21:05:24] <alex_joni> ?peem
[21:05:35] <anonimasu> ah now..
[21:05:39] <anonimasu> ;)
[21:05:49] <alex_joni> better?
[21:05:52] <robin_sz> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/ # badgery goodness
[21:05:59] <alex_joni> again robin?
[21:06:04] <cradek> anonimasu: there is lookahead in the old planner - it's just not very far ahead
[21:06:09] <robin_sz> you cant have too many badgers
[21:06:14] <cradek> anonimasu: I bet it will work fine for your machine
[21:06:17] <anonimasu> max accel at 100 now..
[21:06:27] <alex_joni> 100 mm/s^2
[21:06:31] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:06:40] <robin_sz> coo thats slow
[21:06:43] <anonimasu> max accel..
[21:06:44] <anonimasu> eh?
[21:06:57] <anonimasu> robin_sz: give me a value to use I am unsure on how fast machines are supposed to go
[21:07:00] <anonimasu> :)
[21:07:17] <cradek> I think I have mine at 100 in/s^2
[21:07:28] <cradek> let me check
[21:07:35] <robin_sz> dunno .. my plasmas run 1200, I know my laser runs 8000mm/s^2
[21:07:38] <alex_joni> 2540 mm/s^2
[21:07:43] <alex_joni> try 1000 an0n
[21:07:53] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:08:22] <anonimasu> looks alot better..
[21:08:23] <robin_sz> you'd love my big laser ... 0.8g accel and 84m/minute rapids
[21:08:29] <cradek> yeah mine is 128 in/s^2 > 3000 mm/s^2
[21:08:55] <alex_joni> an0n: like I said, keep increasing it
[21:09:07] <alex_joni> till it starts to loose steps (you'll surely notice that)
[21:09:15] <alex_joni> then decrease it some
[21:09:22] <cradek> or until it seems "too violent"
[21:09:23] <anonimasu> alex_joni: g340's
[21:09:26] <robin_sz> yeah
[21:09:42] <alex_joni> you can set the g340's too (PID-wise)
[21:09:43] <anonimasu> I wouldnt notice it..
[21:09:46] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:09:47] <robin_sz> my plasmas will run higher accel, but I keep it at 0.1g to make em smoothhhhhhh
[21:09:58] <anonimasu> but I need to grab the osciloscope and measure it..
[21:10:06] <alex_joni> an0n: increase it till you see the reset going up on the g340's
[21:10:13] <anonimasu> yep
[21:10:24] <alex_joni> tell us what value that would be
[21:11:40] <anonimasu> light machine + lots of gearings = slow machine but heaps of torque.. it's like 250khz max into the geckos..
[21:12:00] <alex_joni> well.. then.. keep krankin it up ;)
[21:12:03] <anonimasu> but depending on the dynamics of the machine.. :)
[21:12:25] <anonimasu> cradek: what's the default you run at?
[21:12:50] <cradek> 25 in/min 128 in/sec^2
[21:13:36] <cradek> my steppers will skip at 30ipm but have lots of torque left at 25ipm
[21:13:51] <anonimasu> how do you calc that to mm?
[21:14:10] <cradek> % units 25in mm
[21:14:47] <anonimasu> (25*2.5)*10
[21:14:59] <cradek> uh
[21:15:08] <anonimasu> 2.5cm = 1"
[21:15:08] <cradek> there are 25.4 mm in an inch
[21:15:20] <cradek> 2.5cm != 1"
[21:16:07] <anonimasu> :/
[21:16:26] <anonimasu> following error.
[21:16:27] <anonimasu> bleh
[21:16:37] <cradek> what's P?
[21:16:48] <cradek> oh this is emc2 isn't it
[21:16:57] <anonimasu> maybe I shouldnt have kept feed override at 300%
[21:16:58] <anonimasu> ;)
[21:16:59] <cradek> then you probably need to dink with the hal settings
[21:18:00] <anonimasu> I think it should be fast enough now..
[21:19:28] <anonimasu> nope gives following errors at 1000mm/min
[21:19:54] <alex_joni> an0n: during run? or during accel?
[21:20:08] <anonimasu> during during accel I think..
[21:20:15] <anonimasu> I might have exceeded maxaccel..
[21:20:19] <anonimasu> in the core_stepper
[21:20:21] <anonimasu> .hal
[21:20:27] <alex_joni> try increasing that
[21:20:50] <alex_joni> is there a way to reinstall packages on debian?
[21:20:51] <cradek> that's in steps/sec^2
[21:20:58] <cradek> make it a little higher than the ini's accel
[21:21:49] <anonimasu> changed 150000 to 250000
[21:22:28] <anonimasu> it should be plenty..
[21:22:30] <anonimasu> :)
[21:22:58] <robin_sz> alex_joni: only thing I know is apt-get remove <foo>; apt-get install <foo>
[21:23:20] <anonimasu> now lets see how it does the circle.. again..
[21:24:49] <robin_sz> ooh, lucky me .. as usual an inbox full of viagra spam
[21:24:54] <robin_sz> :( ...
[21:25:11] <alex_joni> no watches?
[21:25:19] <alex_joni> how about CIALIS?
[21:25:21] <robin_sz> I mean do they really see "stay up for 48hrs +" as an advantage??
[21:25:39] <anonimasu> lol
[21:25:43] <robin_sz> you'ld beat it to death with a stick after 24hrs im sure
[21:26:06] <robin_sz> alex_joni: hey, wanna rolex?
[21:26:14] <anonimasu> does anyone want to see that part I that I am trying to mill..
[21:26:15] <anonimasu> :)
[21:26:21] <alex_joni> robin: nah.. got a few
[21:26:38] <alex_joni> an0n: yes, if it makes you happe :P
[21:26:42] <alex_joni> happy
[21:27:10] <anonimasu> alex_joni: oh, I dont have to show it..
[21:27:11] <anonimasu> :D
[21:27:13] <robin_sz> alex_joni: want to be introduced to a son of a former Nigerian king, he has a money problem he needs help with
[21:28:02] <robin_sz> actually, I was browsing 419eater.com yesterday, most amusing ;)
[21:28:05] <alex_joni> robin: let me guess... he needs to take them out of the country
[21:28:16] <alex_joni> an0n: show it
[21:28:50] <anonimasu> http://www.bojn.net/~an0n/part01.JPG
[21:29:00] <robin_sz> alex_joni: seen 419eater? they persuade nigerian scammers to take photos of them doing stupid things in order to prove they mean business ...
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[21:30:04] <robin_sz> ooh 3d part
[21:30:52] <anonimasu> it's making the circle that takes too long time..
[21:33:14] <anonimasu> :/
[21:39:17] <anonimasu> maybe I should change how I machine it..
[21:57:32] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[21:57:33] <alex_joni> night guys
[22:00:32] <febisfebi> would anybody know what might be causing
[22:00:35] <febisfebi> err
[22:06:26] <anonimasu> maybe :)
[22:09:43] <febisfebi> well, i'v got this problem where one axis is skipping steps, but only one axis and only in one direction
[22:12:26] <febisfebi> and its been happening with 3 installments of bdi, live-rc46, 4.08, and 4.14, but works with turbocnc
[22:12:46] <febisfebi> which leads me believe its not hardware
[22:13:47] <websys> Intel or AMD processor?
[22:16:22] <febisfebi> its a pentium 2
[22:16:58] <websys> there was a prob with bdi and amd
[22:19:30] <febisfebi> hmm, is there a way to make emc see x as y, and vice versa?
[22:20:42] <robin_sz> theres a gcode to translaet axes .. if I could remember it
[22:22:07] <febisfebi> im guessing it would have to be lower level than that to affect this, i was thinking, changing the parport pins x uses, is there a way to do that?
[23:03:12] <anonimasu> I have no idea about how to do that in emc1 sorry
[23:08:50] <febisfebi> how stable is emc2?
[23:14:37] <anonimasu> I havent tried it yet
[23:14:42] <anonimasu> just got my machine set up tonight
[23:17:01] <anonimasu> but it seems to work nicely atelats
[23:17:03] <anonimasu> atleast
[23:20:52] <anonimasu> I'll be testing it tomorrow morning
[23:39:25] <anonimasu> :)
[23:43:10] <febisfebi> I may have to try that if I cant get anything going here