#emc | Logs for 2005-02-14

[00:45:26] <asdfqwega> Anybody know how to change the step/dir pin assignments in the new BDI 4.14?
[00:46:28] <asdfqwega> I've got a buddy with a QueMonster(tm), which currently uses DeskNC in DOS, and the step/dir pins are reversed as compared to EMC
[02:33:39] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega just figured out how to dismantle a .deb
[02:33:46] <asdfqwega> Ah, that's how
[02:37:09] <robin_s> bah ... late
[02:43:42] <asdfqwega> Oro?
[07:45:15] <alex_joni> g'morning
[09:06:27] <anonimasu> morning
[09:11:44] <alex_joni> what's up?
[09:22:38] <anonimasu> not much
[09:22:43] <anonimasu> waiting for my vise
[09:22:57] <anonimasu> coding some stuff
[09:23:46] <alex_joni> cool
[09:24:13] <anonimasu> working on getting parts for a prototyping some stuff..
[09:24:13] <anonimasu> :)
[09:33:23] <anonimasu> some plastic and stainles
[09:33:23] <anonimasu> s
[09:41:34] <alex_joni> coo
[09:47:57] <anonimasu> :)
[09:48:07] <anonimasu> but I am pushing for anodized alu..
[09:48:10] <anonimasu> since it brings the overall cost down
[09:48:44] <alex_joni> down?
[09:49:01] <alex_joni> how about steel?
[09:49:02] <anonimasu> the stainless sheets are like 138$
[09:49:06] <alex_joni> not stainless
[09:49:07] <anonimasu> has to be stainless..
[09:49:13] <alex_joni> ahh.. ok then
[09:49:19] <anonimasu> the housing will be plastic..
[09:49:51] <anonimasu> machining it out of stainless is out of question..
[09:50:12] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has got to leave
[09:50:12] <anonimasu> 20x60mm stainless slabs arent cheap ;)
[09:50:22] <anonimasu> ok
[09:50:23] <anonimasu> laters
[09:50:29] <anonimasu> :)
[09:50:37] <alex_joni> gotta go do some welding ;)
[09:51:31] <anonimasu> nice
[09:51:39] <alex_joni> laters
[09:51:39] <anonimasu> btw, can you tig 0.8 stainless?
[09:51:41] <anonimasu> ;)
[09:51:45] <anonimasu> without large problems
[09:51:48] <alex_joni> hmmm..
[09:51:53] <alex_joni> how about microplasma?
[09:52:00] <alex_joni> you can do .1 mm
[09:52:01] <anonimasu> nah, already got a good tig..
[09:52:02] <alex_joni> or less
[09:52:08] <alex_joni> you need low currents
[09:53:23] <anonimasu> yeah but the tig goes down..
[09:53:43] <anonimasu> I think..
[09:54:00] <anonimasu> cant remember..
[09:54:01] <anonimasu> :)
[09:54:23] <alex_joni> you need around 20-30 Amps for a stable tig
[09:54:37] <alex_joni> with microplasma you can go down till around 2-4 Amps ;)
[09:55:17] <alex_joni> * alex_joni really gotta go
[09:55:18] <alex_joni> bye
[11:09:26] <anonimasu> :)
[15:32:42] <A-L-P-H-A> quiet in here.
[15:32:46] <A-L-P-H-A> morning everyone.
[15:38:08] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, tigging what? 0.8mm thick stainless, yes. But beware of possible burn marks.
[15:38:38] <A-L-P-H-A> nevre heard of microplasma.
[15:38:39] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm.
[15:38:41] <A-L-P-H-A> google.
[15:43:44] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: the tig will give 5A at minimum..
[15:43:59] <anonimasu> and I can run at a higher amp and run with pulsed..
[15:43:59] <A-L-P-H-A> <-- only has a mig welder.
[15:43:59] <anonimasu> :)
[15:44:17] <anonimasu> we got a 350A watercooled one at work ;)
[15:44:18] <A-L-P-H-A> can't find mind on microplasma welders.
[15:44:24] <A-L-P-H-A> yikes.
[15:44:34] <A-L-P-H-A> I dare you to lick the tip. :)
[15:44:40] <anonimasu> heh
[15:44:42] <A-L-P-H-A> that sounded so wrong
[15:44:58] <anonimasu> that'd be like eating a stick of TNT
[15:45:26] <anonimasu> ^_^
[15:45:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't think eating a stick of TNT is as bad. Unless TNT is toxic. I know it's safe to handle though.
[15:46:05] <anonimasu> oh, ignited ofcourse.
[15:46:07] <anonimasu> :D
[15:46:08] <A-L-P-H-A> the welder would just char your body.
[15:46:15] <A-L-P-H-A> well, yeah, then that would be bad.
[15:46:26] <anonimasu> 350A is lots.
[15:46:26] <anonimasu> :D
[15:47:06] <anonimasu> yeah, it wouldnt kill you but it'd probably make you wish you were dead
[15:47:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I think it only requires 15mA to go across your heart to kill you. But that takes a little more to go through your body.
[15:47:48] <anonimasu> I think HF helps it to go through your body aswell
[15:48:11] <anonimasu> * anonimasu likes tig welding
[15:48:15] <anonimasu> it's neat :)
[15:48:35] <anonimasu> I wish I had a small tig at home..
[15:48:49] <anonimasu> I just have a crappy mig..
[15:49:09] <A-L-P-H-A> I have a nice gas mig at home.
[15:49:13] <A-L-P-H-A> brb.
[15:49:28] <anonimasu> ok
[15:49:31] <anonimasu> I'll be heading home from work
[15:49:36] <anonimasu> in a bit
[15:52:30] <A-L-P-H-A> back
[15:52:36] <A-L-P-H-A> no, just needed to switch computers.
[15:52:47] <A-L-P-H-A> laptop -> VNC -> workstation -> net
[17:26:18] <anonimasu> iab
[17:26:45] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[17:27:05] <alex_joni> * alex_joni digs in deb-guts
[17:27:10] <anonimasu> nice ;)
[17:27:38] <anonimasu> alex_joni: welding the stainless wont be a problem.. :)
[17:31:11] <alex_joni> cool
[17:40:41] <anonimasu> :)
[17:40:55] <anonimasu> the tig goes down to about 5a
[17:41:06] <anonimasu> err 5A
[17:41:09] <anonimasu> not about..
[17:41:23] <anonimasu> and if I run pulse I can increase the amperage..
[17:41:55] <alex_joni> yup you can
[17:43:02] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[17:43:17] <anonimasu> I think I am going to rest I am a bit tired
[17:44:31] <alex_joni> yup.. I'm going home too
[19:58:01] <alex_joni> g'evening
[20:17:45] <anonimasu> evening
[20:18:11] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[20:19:37] <alex_joni> got your mill running?
[20:35:49] <anonimasu> no
[21:01:55] <anonimasu> wb alex
[21:02:00] <anonimasu> still no work done on the mill..
[21:02:28] <alex_joni> :)
[21:03:05] <alex_joni> no time?
[21:03:14] <anonimasu> yeah :/
[21:03:20] <anonimasu> and I am too tired to mess with it
[21:03:24] <alex_joni> well.. one sunny day ;)
[21:04:17] <alex_joni> that's what I always say ;)
[21:04:53] <anonimasu> I'll soon be forced too though..
[21:05:15] <anonimasu> since the product/prototype I've been hunting stuff for today has to be milled..
[21:05:17] <alex_joni> well.. maybe ray's config will be out by then ;)
[21:05:21] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:05:27] <anonimasu> I'll make the prototype using tcnc..
[21:05:30] <anonimasu> yuck..
[21:05:41] <anonimasu> since I have my config working for that already..
[21:06:29] <anonimasu> but I dont feel like using that..
[21:06:45] <anonimasu> but there's not much choice since I need the parts for twisting/turning and abusing a bit
[21:07:52] <anonimasu> :)
[21:16:02] <alex_joni> hey ray
[21:16:08] <alex_joni> good evening
[21:16:32] <anonimasu> hopefully the config tool will be done within reasonable time :9
[21:17:01] <rayh> Hi Alex.
[21:17:19] <rayh> Any time now...
[21:17:30] <alex_joni> what's up?
[21:17:37] <anonimasu> any time?
[21:18:01] <alex_joni> don't say ;)
[21:18:12] <anonimasu> * anonimasu pokes rayh
[21:18:36] <rayh> I'm working on a way to encode rules so that I can read them easily.
[21:19:00] <anonimasu> ok
[21:19:15] <alex_joni> I thought about smthg
[21:19:15] <alex_joni> what if the rule contains a descriptor on the type
[21:19:27] <picnet> the robots would take over.
[21:19:28] <alex_joni> I-expected integer, D-dropdown based on values stated, S-expected string, etc
[21:19:39] <anonimasu> once you have somthing working you could drop me a mail with it and I'll try it quickly
[21:19:42] <anonimasu> )
[21:19:51] <rayh> I should have a sample in a half hour or so.
[21:20:11] <anonimasu> ok
[21:20:21] <rayh> That darn (\) in the WiKi is making me frustrated.
[21:22:51] <anonimasu> nice
[21:23:21] <alex_joni> picnet: any particular robot in mind?
[21:23:21] <alex_joni> an0n: check the wiki
[21:23:21] <alex_joni> EmcConfig and EmcConfigTickle
[21:23:21] <alex_joni> sorry.. EmcConfTickle
[21:23:21] <alex_joni> rayh just paste some info, I wanna see how it looks, or what can be done about it
[21:24:41] <alex_joni> rayh: I just figured out what \ you mean
[21:24:41] <alex_joni> the one to restart using emcsh
[21:24:45] <anonimasu> sure
[21:25:01] <anonimasu> well once you have somthing that can half-setup a machine ;)
[21:25:24] <alex_joni> it should setup a bit more ;)
[21:25:39] <anonimasu> hehe I am happy if it helps me define my axis:es ;)
[21:25:44] <rayh> I use \ to wrap long lines in my editor also.
[21:26:14] <alex_joni> rayh: check if it's ok now?
[21:26:27] <anonimasu> where's that wiki page?
[21:26:36] <anonimasu> I seem to miss stull on what I see..
[21:26:45] <anonimasu> stuff
[21:27:08] <alex_joni> pay attention an0n ;)
[21:27:16] <alex_joni> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?EmcConfig
[21:27:32] <anonimasu> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?EmcConfigTickle
[21:27:35] <anonimasu> was there I went ;)
[21:27:55] <alex_joni> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?EmcConfTickle
[21:28:36] <anonimasu> hehe
[21:28:37] <anonimasu> ok
[21:28:38] <anonimasu> looks nice
[21:34:39] <rayh> Looks good on the page. As long as we copy and paste only the displayed text we should be good to go.
[21:35:07] <rayh> If we save the file and then try to run it it will fail both for <pre> and \\
[21:35:14] <alex_joni> right
[21:35:23] <alex_joni> but copy/paste should be enough
[21:35:48] <alex_joni> I'd expect html pages to not run properly as bash/tcl scripts anyhow ;)
[21:35:48] <cradek> scripts should be in cvs, not copied and pasted from the wiki
[21:35:59] <cradek> you could make a link to the cvs page
[21:36:05] <alex_joni> cradek: they will be
[21:36:07] <cradek> you can download or view it there - the work is already done.
[21:38:00] <alex_joni> cradek: you have some valuable background...
[21:38:00] <alex_joni> on python
[21:38:16] <cradek> uh-oh
[21:38:21] <alex_joni> ;)
[21:38:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni just want cradek's opinion
[21:38:38] <cradek> cutting and pasting python is even worse
[21:38:44] <alex_joni> nahhhh...
[21:39:01] <alex_joni> I was just wondering if python would be easy to set up an emc-configurator
[21:39:18] <alex_joni> the main trouble is .. it should configure every bit of emc
[21:39:29] <cradek> it would probably be no easier or harder than any other language
[21:39:43] <alex_joni> including HAL
[21:39:57] <cradek> well, I guess it would be easier than intercal or fortran
[21:40:10] <alex_joni> what I don't know.. how would you do the schematic-editor-kinda-thing to place and connect hal components
[21:40:34] <cradek> wow, I have no idea
[21:41:05] <cradek> I think I would rather go to the dentist than write (or use) a configurator like that
[21:41:09] <alex_joni> I started thinking to use an existing schematic-editor for the task
[21:41:17] <alex_joni> you would?
[21:41:35] <cradek> I think you can find a schematic editor for ... um
[21:41:38] <cradek> can't think of the name of it
[21:41:46] <cradek> the circuit simulator that uses netlists for input
[21:41:49] <alex_joni> how would you see an "user-friendly" configurator?
[21:41:53] <alex_joni> spice?
[21:42:13] <alex_joni> I tried gEDA, but that's really hard to use... (didn't like it)
[21:42:14] <cradek> yeah spice
[21:42:35] <alex_joni> thought about eagle... but that's not GPL
[21:43:15] <alex_joni> and besides that, current schematic editors are way bloated compared to what we would need
[21:45:43] <alex_joni> anyways, maybe you have some good thoughts about an easy-to-use configurator
[21:47:09] <cradek> I'm probably the wrong one to ask because I think a text file (with documentation!) is just fine.
[21:47:34] <alex_joni> well.. then you'll be using the .ini ;)
[21:48:03] <alex_joni> oh.. and some .hal's for emc2 (not necesarely a good point in hal)
[21:48:34] <cradek> I would think 90% of the people will use a standard setup, and a bunch of gui stuff would just get in the way.
[21:49:01] <alex_joni> the gui will load a standard setup by default
[21:50:46] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is really beat
[21:50:54] <alex_joni> think I'll crash soon...
[21:51:07] <anonimasu> :/
[21:55:19] <rayh> Catch you later Alex. I'll keep working and Wiki what I've got.
[21:55:40] <alex_joni> cool.. I'll check tomorrow morning...
[21:56:01] <alex_joni> perhaps cradek had a point, and CVS would be more appropiate
[21:56:21] <anonimasu> I'll do that doo
[21:56:21] <anonimasu> too
[21:56:22] <anonimasu> :9
[21:56:34] <anonimasu> I am just here waiting for the sauna to get warm
[21:57:21] <alex_joni> lurker
[21:57:30] <anonimasu> hehe yeah
[21:57:35] <anonimasu> I've been like that lots lately..
[21:57:48] <anonimasu> I only have space in my head for work-code
[21:58:03] <anonimasu> :(
[22:00:41] <anonimasu> laters
[22:04:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed..
[22:04:43] <alex_joni> night