#emc | Logs for 2005-02-08

[11:49:53] <A-L-P-H-A> so it's your logger.
[11:49:56] <A-L-P-H-A> is .ro romania?
[11:50:06] <alex_joni> yup
[11:50:10] <alex_joni> www.juve.ro
[11:50:13] <alex_joni> that's me ;)
[11:50:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I like the cleaness of the site.
[11:50:31] <A-L-P-H-A> www.lloydleung.com
[11:50:32] <A-L-P-H-A> mine
[11:50:47] <A-L-P-H-A> your site's broken with firefox
[11:50:49] <alex_joni> it's not as clean as it started
[11:50:53] <alex_joni> what's broken?
[11:51:30] <A-L-P-H-A> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/projects.php
[11:51:47] <alex_joni> doesn't show?
[11:51:57] <A-L-P-H-A> it shows, but the alignment is way messedup
[11:52:08] <alex_joni> darn ;)
[11:52:12] <alex_joni> gotta install firefox
[11:52:30] <alex_joni> http://www.robcon.ro/
[11:52:34] <A-L-P-H-A> firefox is the major browser for linux... and many people are now switching from msie. :)
[11:52:36] <alex_joni> this is the webpage from where I work
[11:52:44] <alex_joni> I use Opera
[11:53:09] <A-L-P-H-A> know what would be cool... just an idea.
[11:53:16] <A-L-P-H-A> you know how you have that outline drawing?
[11:53:23] <alex_joni> which one?
[11:53:34] <A-L-P-H-A> have a video/real life video, that the outline drawing matches those movements.
[11:53:47] <alex_joni> ahh.. you mean on robcon.ro ?
[11:53:55] <A-L-P-H-A> the main page, of robcon.ro. the welding robot
[11:53:56] <alex_joni> could do that...
[11:54:04] <A-L-P-H-A> I think that would look cool... :)
[11:54:13] <alex_joni> maybe one day ;)
[11:54:22] <alex_joni> I also planned to do a flash on my front page
[11:54:23] <A-L-P-H-A> you guys do plasmatorches?
[11:54:29] <alex_joni> we sell them
[11:54:46] <A-L-P-H-A> I so want a plasmacutter with THC... donno what I'd make with it... but something. :)
[11:55:11] <alex_joni> where are you located?
[11:55:34] <A-L-P-H-A> Canada.
[11:55:36] <A-L-P-H-A> Toronto.
[11:55:52] <alex_joni> cool
[11:56:05] <alex_joni> I have a friend who left for Canada
[11:56:27] <alex_joni> actually a few ;)
[11:57:13] <A-L-P-H-A> cool. Appearantly are strip clubs are full of hot Romanian ladies.
[11:57:17] <A-L-P-H-A> are=our
[11:58:30] <alex_joni> so that's where they vanished
[11:58:33] <alex_joni> * alex_joni was wondering
[11:58:35] <alex_joni> lol
[11:59:35] <A-L-P-H-A> hey, you're welcome to come over and visit. :)
[12:00:02] <A-L-P-H-A> current project list...
[12:00:03] <A-L-P-H-A> - complete rotary axis bracket. Need to mill the spindle mounting position.
[12:00:03] <A-L-P-H-A> - purchase electronics for rotary axis' 5phase stepper
[12:00:03] <A-L-P-H-A> - epoxy mounting tabs onto home made electronics box.
[12:00:03] <A-L-P-H-A> - New z-axis with ballscrew/flying nut for mill
[12:02:09] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, so if you guys for robots, how come you don't have a cnc mill and/or lathe?
[12:02:21] <A-L-P-H-A> or was it you I was talking to about that?
[12:02:26] <alex_joni> well.. we have robots ,)
[12:02:26] <A-L-P-H-A> brb.
[12:02:29] <alex_joni> ok
[12:05:51] <A-L-P-H-A> back
[12:06:06] <alex_joni> ok.. I think I fixed that page problem
[12:09:40] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah llooks fixed
[12:10:08] <alex_joni> thx for pointing it out
[12:10:20] <alex_joni> was an unbalanced TD
[12:11:04] <A-L-P-H-A> np
[12:13:18] <alex_joni> hmm.. how can I setup firefox to use only tabbed browsing
[12:13:27] <alex_joni> so that it won't open a new window
[12:13:41] <A-L-P-H-A> get an extension called 'tabbrowser preferences' and you can select it in there easily
[12:17:05] <alex_joni> darn.. not really working
[12:17:12] <alex_joni> I installed a mousegesture extension
[12:17:29] <alex_joni> and that one doesn't really do tab-browsing :(
[12:18:06] <A-L-P-H-A> tarbrowser preferences? it should work...
[12:18:10] <A-L-P-H-A> sec. let me findit for you
[12:18:21] <alex_joni> tabbrowser pref works
[12:18:35] <alex_joni> but the problem is with all-in-one gestures
[12:18:38] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.pryan.org/mozilla/site/TheOneKEA/tabprefs/
[12:18:53] <A-L-P-H-A> oh the I don't use mouse gestures... [never liked the idea]
[12:19:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I have buttons, and one hand is always on the KB.
[12:19:04] <alex_joni> it's so easy .. once you use them
[12:19:12] <A-L-P-H-A> and my mouse has 3 extra buttons.
[12:19:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I hated them in the game "Black and White"... I never got good at it.
[12:19:41] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe that's why my avatar in the game was puny.
[12:25:46] <alex_joni> never tried black & white
[12:25:59] <alex_joni> hmm... on efeature I don't like...
[12:26:09] <alex_joni> Firefox exits after closing the last page
[12:34:56] <alex_joni> seems pretty ok
[12:35:05] <A-L-P-H-A> hey, it's FREE!
[12:35:09] <alex_joni> but I still like Opera better (probably because I'm used to it)
[12:35:23] <alex_joni> Opera is too ... kinda
[12:35:29] <A-L-P-H-A> nuah ah.
[12:37:18] <alex_joni> well I am running the free version (ad-support)
[12:37:33] <alex_joni> and the ad-thingy even produces usefull links from time to time
[12:38:33] <A-L-P-H-A> ad-thingy?
[12:38:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I use adblock, and tabbrowser preferences, and it's all that I really want. [and flash from time to time]
[12:38:50] <alex_joni> yeah..
[12:39:04] <alex_joni> well opera provides that by default
[12:39:20] <alex_joni> but to keep it free for users they have an ad-screen
[12:39:33] <A-L-P-H-A> heh. I made a Autocad pline to g-code converter in php. just need to do a "list" command on the pline, and it'll do it for me... with arcs as well. :)
[12:39:43] <alex_joni> cool
[12:40:46] <alex_joni> well.. firefoy seems the way to go
[12:40:47] <alex_joni> ;)
[12:40:50] <alex_joni> firefox
[12:40:52] <alex_joni> even
[12:41:04] <A-L-P-H-A> http://pastebin.com/239128 <-- paste that into http://mycomputer.lloydleung.com/list.php
[12:42:18] <alex_joni> coo
[12:42:31] <alex_joni> is there a way to make firefox show you transfer speeds?
[12:42:51] <A-L-P-H-A> when you're downloading, it shows it.
[12:42:58] <A-L-P-H-A> there probably is a plugin for that too.
[12:43:01] <alex_joni> even for pages?
[12:43:06] <alex_joni> or only for downloads?
[12:43:09] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, plugin for pages.
[12:43:12] <A-L-P-H-A> downloads there is.
[12:43:22] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm.... tea or coffee?
[12:43:28] <alex_joni> coke
[12:43:31] <alex_joni> 4 me ,)
[12:43:33] <A-L-P-H-A> coffee and toast... with peanut butter.
[12:43:38] <A-L-P-H-A> bbiab.
[13:03:40] <A-L-P-H-A> back
[13:03:44] <A-L-P-H-A> damn good coffee I made. :)
[13:04:54] <alex_joni> coo
[13:05:11] <alex_joni> firefox starts to feel right ;)
[13:05:14] <A-L-P-H-A> heh, slashdot, is slashdoted.
[13:05:19] <alex_joni> but I configured it for 5 mins.
[13:05:31] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, takes a little bit to configure to your liking.
[13:05:42] <A-L-P-H-A> adblock is a MUST have plugin.
[13:05:44] <alex_joni> that's why I like opera
[13:05:50] <alex_joni> ;)
[13:05:57] <A-L-P-H-A> viewing hotmail, looks GOOD, not adridden.
[13:06:09] <A-L-P-H-A> and lots of other pages.
[13:06:41] <alex_joni> thing is.. I use opera since around version 5
[13:06:44] <alex_joni> a few years ago ;)
[13:06:55] <alex_joni> back then it was either IE or Netscape
[13:07:03] <alex_joni> and I got used to it
[13:07:06] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, I'm not expecting you to change, or change quickly. You're better off with opera than msie.
[13:07:17] <alex_joni> I don't usually touch msie
[13:07:28] <alex_joni> only for some ap-configuration
[13:07:31] <A-L-P-H-A> I use msie, when a site is retarded and doesn't work with FF
[13:07:38] <alex_joni> wonder if that runs on firefox
[13:07:58] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hasn't opened msie for a few months now
[13:08:03] <alex_joni> at least not for normal browsing
[13:08:12] <alex_joni> aprox. all pages load ok with opera
[13:08:18] <A-L-P-H-A> I use it for the activeX for updating windows and office.
[13:08:21] <A-L-P-H-A> which I really want to leave outlook.
[13:08:31] <alex_joni> I agree..
[13:08:38] <alex_joni> I use autoupdate.. so I don't care ;)
[13:09:04] <A-L-P-H-A> no autoupdate for office.
[13:09:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm gonna check out openoffice
[13:09:19] <alex_joni> it's very cool (openoffice)
[13:09:26] <alex_joni> only a little hungry on memory
[13:09:33] <alex_joni> beeing java-based
[13:10:05] <A-L-P-H-A> Time: 08:12:11 -0500 GMT, Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), AMD XP 2800+ running at (1-AMD , 2123MHz, 512KB (71% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 706/1024MB (68.95%), C: 53.22gb of 75.42gb free, D: 28.36gb of 39.05gb free, E: 0gb of 0gb free, Current Uptime: 7hrs 17mins 53secs, Record Uptime: 3wks 12hrs 48mins 50secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
[13:10:09] <A-L-P-H-A> I got enough ram.
[13:12:00] <alex_joni> Time: 15:12:56 +0200 GMT, Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), Intel Centrino 1400 running at (1-Intel , 599MHz, 0KB (0% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 368/503MB (73.16%), C: 7.5gb of 37.25gb free, Current Uptime: 2wks 6days 5hrs 45mins 47secs, Record Uptime: 2wks 6days 5hrs 44mins 41secs, 15'' TFT.
[13:17:31] <A-L-P-H-A> crap, can find that lisp file... to do springs and spirals
[13:22:10] <alex_joni> eeek.. it's been a while since I touched lisp the last time ;)
[13:40:06] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.cadtutor.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1023#1023 wow.
[13:43:06] <alex_joni> still didn't find a way to enable download speed for pages
[13:49:10] <alex_joni> alpha: short question
[13:49:21] <alex_joni> is there an extension to configure keyboard shortcuts?
[13:49:31] <alex_joni> I'd like to change Ctrl-D
[13:51:22] <A-L-P-H-A> that I don't know.
[13:51:25] <A-L-P-H-A> sorry alex_joni
[13:51:31] <alex_joni> no problem ;)
[13:51:34] <alex_joni> google might help
[13:52:42] <cradek> it will have something to do with the gnome configurator
[13:53:21] <alex_joni> gnome?
[13:53:32] <cradek> you are talking about firefox, right?
[13:53:41] <alex_joni> doze one, yes
[13:53:58] <cradek> oh, doze. I don't know anything about that.
[13:54:02] <cradek> you probably can't change it.
[13:54:05] <alex_joni> lol ;)
[13:54:14] <alex_joni> I'll download the source and change it
[13:54:15] <alex_joni> .P
[13:54:30] <cradek> sure, but you'll never be able to compile it
[13:54:36] <alex_joni> lol
[13:54:40] <alex_joni> that might be true
[13:54:47] <alex_joni> but.. if emc compiled under doze...
[13:54:50] <alex_joni> and rcslib
[13:54:51] <cradek> I didn't know people still used doze
[13:54:58] <alex_joni> I think firefox will too
[13:55:31] <cradek> let me know how it goes...
[13:55:57] <alex_joni> when I'll get to it ;)
[13:56:03] <alex_joni> with a big IF in there ;)
[13:56:12] <alex_joni> axis is higher on the list :)
[13:56:24] <alex_joni> but also unlikely to be done :)
[13:56:44] <cradek> that probably will actually work
[13:57:01] <alex_joni> I know... I actually started that
[13:57:03] <alex_joni> but..
[13:57:17] <alex_joni> the newer python requires Visual Studio .NET...
[13:57:19] <alex_joni> argh
[13:57:45] <cradek> for the price of that you could buy linux
[13:57:53] <cradek> ... and a new machine to run it
[13:58:04] <alex_joni> a couple of new machines
[13:58:07] <alex_joni> and cluster them
[13:58:28] <alex_joni> but there's a beta.net "free" downloadable
[13:58:50] <alex_joni> I hacked the python sources to build with msvc 6.0
[13:59:14] <alex_joni> got some include errors in <windows.h>
[13:59:19] <alex_joni> and I gave it up ;)
[14:00:29] <alex_joni> anyways... if it weren't for the current employees here at work, I would have switched all machines to linux a few years ago
[14:16:25] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone know of a regexp command that will find me duplicate lines?
[14:16:36] <A-L-P-H-A> like, if the line above is a duplicate?
[14:21:24] <cradek> regexps typically work on one line at a time without memory
[14:22:28] <cradek> if you mean you want to use grep, it's probably the wrong tool
[14:23:02] <cradek> you might want uniq -d
[14:23:10] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm.
[14:23:12] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll check it out.
[14:23:34] <alex_joni> if you want to remove duplicate lines, you can run it through sort
[14:23:58] <cradek> yeah then you want sort|uniq
[14:24:14] <cradek> maybe you should tell us what you actually want to do
[14:27:56] <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
[14:27:57] <A-L-P-H-A> k,
[14:28:27] <alex_joni> amaze us
[14:28:28] <A-L-P-H-A> autocad list command, spits it out to a command window. but the scroll log is too short for some objects.
[14:28:28] <alex_joni> :D
[14:28:54] <A-L-P-H-A> so, either I need to do a dump of the scroll log, or some way to figure out cut and pastes to merge the two.
[14:41:37] <robin_sz> meep!
[14:41:45] <alex_joni> beep
[14:41:51] <robin_sz> going well?
[14:42:08] <alex_joni> yup
[14:42:14] <robin_sz> goooood :)
[14:42:24] <alex_joni> I installed firefox today ;)
[14:42:27] <robin_sz> I've been spinning motors on my g2002 :)
[14:42:29] <alex_joni> alpha convinced me ;)
[14:42:33] <alex_joni> how's it running?
[14:42:37] <robin_sz> firefox .. thats good.
[14:42:51] <robin_sz> its running smoooooooothly
[14:43:10] <robin_sz> segmod is good too on steppers
[14:43:22] <robin_sz> but this really is smooth.
[14:43:57] <alex_joni> g2002?
[14:44:20] <robin_sz> Ican see dula benefits ... segmod is going to change emc a lot. its a proper look-ahead planner.
[14:44:24] <robin_sz> dual
[14:44:52] <robin_sz> but .. although g2002 is a bit of a approximation to proper look-ahead
[14:44:55] <alex_joni> hear that cradek ?
[14:44:58] <robin_sz> it is good I have to say
[14:45:25] <robin_sz> oh, I was VERY impressed by segmod.
[14:45:43] <robin_sz> ran some detailed profiles and it just blended them a treat
[14:46:08] <cradek> yay
[14:46:25] <robin_sz> only 2d stuff mind
[14:46:33] <robin_sz> but ... smooth.
[14:46:58] <robin_sz> I think I know why the g2002 sounds smooth though ...
[14:47:12] <robin_sz> say we have a max freq of 20khz steps
[14:47:55] <robin_sz> our next freq down form that is .. 12.2khz right?
[14:47:57] <A-L-P-H-A> figured it out... I think.
[14:48:05] <alex_joni> damn... I love this
[14:48:12] <alex_joni> FlashGot rulez ;)
[14:48:46] <robin_sz> in other words, we have quite large diferences between the discrete frequncies we can emit as pulses
[14:48:54] <robin_sz> particulalrly at higher frequencies
[14:49:37] <robin_sz> I think the g2002 does well here because its max frequncies are up in the several hundred kilohertz region
[14:49:59] <robin_sz> so diferences are smaller between its frequncy steps
[14:50:21] <alex_joni> I see what you mean
[14:50:31] <robin_sz> on steppers thats a problem I thnk
[14:50:34] <A-L-P-H-A> oh so... goood..... logfileon logfileoff :)
[14:50:35] <alex_joni> had the same thing during a H-Bridge
[14:50:38] <A-L-P-H-A> horray for help files. :)
[14:50:38] <robin_sz> on servos, wont matter
[14:51:55] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: my acad doesn't have that
[14:52:33] <robin_sz> whatever .. it is damn cool to sit in you living room, with a wireless laptop, and stepper motors spinning away upstairs while you press buttons on TkEmc :)
[14:53:26] <alex_joni> yup
[14:53:38] <robin_z> oh, I dropped off ;)
[14:53:40] <robin_z> the wiki is looking good
[14:54:41] <robin_z> the rabbit dev kit I ordered is not looking so good.
[14:54:47] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[14:55:30] <robin_z> the kits ship currently with Dynamic C V9.1
[14:55:43] <robin_z> the old version is 8.5
[14:55:50] <robin_z> this one is V7.0
[14:55:52] <anonimasu> hmm.. ok
[14:55:53] <robin_z> ancient
[14:55:59] <anonimasu> yeah
[14:56:10] <robin_z> so .. they either upgrade it or it goes back
[14:56:37] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[14:56:43] <alex_joni> how are you feeling?
[14:58:17] <robin_z> * robin_z makes note to continue avoiding closed-source software wherever possible
[15:01:21] <alex_joni> later guys
[15:04:24] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek, it's autocad 2005... but should be in 2000+
[15:04:51] <cradek> haha
[15:04:58] <cradek> mine is R12
[15:05:50] <A-L-P-H-A> http://pastebin.com/239165 check this I just wrote. :) using my my "list->Gcode" php code. :)
[15:06:52] <robin_z> you used php?
[15:06:59] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah.
[15:06:59] <robin_z> prevert ;)
[15:07:08] <cradek> you parsed the output of list??
[15:07:18] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah.
[15:07:22] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek, yeah
[15:07:33] <A-L-P-H-A> http://mycomputer.lloydleung.com/list.php
[15:07:42] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: don't you know autolisp?
[15:07:45] <A-L-P-H-A> works with plines only..
[15:07:53] <A-L-P-H-A> nope. don't know lisp at all.
[15:08:39] <A-L-P-H-A> though I do know c, php, c++, delphi. :) some asm. javascript. have touched VB [hate it]
[15:09:05] <cradek> it would be easier to parse dxf than "list"
[15:09:24] <cradek> it would be easier to access the polyline in autolisp (in memory) than to parse a dxf
[15:10:03] <A-L-P-H-A> well, if you want to show me how... I'm willing to learn. :)
[15:14:04] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: at your autocad prompt type (setq p (entget (ssname (ssget) 0)))
[15:14:38] <cradek> then pick your polyline
[15:16:19] <A-L-P-H-A> then how is that object accessed? like it's properties and such?
[15:16:30] <cradek> well you saved the polyline entity in the variable p
[15:16:43] <cradek> to get the first point of the polyline, use (assoc p 10)
[15:16:57] <cradek> "10" is the DXF code for the vertex
[15:16:58] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the "10" represent?
[15:17:00] <A-L-P-H-A> oh
[15:17:25] <cradek> that finds the association starting with 10 in the list p
[15:17:41] <A-L-P-H-A> ; error: bad argument type: listp 10
[15:17:53] <A-L-P-H-A> I got that error
[15:18:30] <cradek> err (assoc 10 p)
[15:18:33] <cradek> sorry
[15:19:04] <cradek> now, to move to the next point, (setq p (entget (entnext (cdr (assoc -1 p)))))
[15:19:16] <cradek> (assoc 10 p) again gives you the second vertex
[15:19:59] <A-L-P-H-A> how many times would I have to cycle through this?
[15:20:15] <cradek> until entget returns nil
[15:20:48] <cradek> you're going to have to learn a little lisp to do what you want... I just wanted to show you how it works in general
[15:21:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I need a list of commands that lisp does... [if-then-else, while, for, variable definition, function declarations) and examples for me to learn the language.
[15:21:32] <cradek> (if condition when-true when-false)
[15:21:38] <cradek> (setq var value)
[15:21:55] <cradek> (defun fn (arg1 arg2) commands)
[15:22:27] <cradek> (defun square (x) (* x x))
[15:22:33] <cradek> (square 4)
[15:22:37] <cradek> => 16
[15:22:58] <A-L-P-H-A> U remember the math part... it's lisp math (learned that, but forgot... I could do it again if need be)
[15:23:12] <A-L-P-H-A> it was a way HP calculators did it for a time... [the highend eng ones]
[15:23:23] <cradek> that's RPN - not quite the same
[15:23:30] <cradek> here you put the operator before the values, not after
[15:23:36] <cradek> (* 2 3) => 6
[15:23:44] <cradek> RPN: 2 3 * => 6
[15:23:47] <cradek> err
[15:23:53] <cradek> RPN: 2 RET 3 * => 6
[15:24:05] <A-L-P-H-A> (* (* 2 3) 6) = 36?
[15:24:09] <cradek> yes
[15:24:39] <cradek> try this: in autocad type circle
[15:24:52] <cradek> for diameter specify (/ 6 (* 2 pi))
[15:25:17] <A-L-P-H-A> k, so I can inline calculate things. :)
[15:25:31] <A-L-P-H-A> useful when doing metric <-> imperial measurements.
[15:25:33] <cradek> you get a circle of circumference 6
[15:25:42] <cradek> yes
[15:25:47] <cradek> err, for radius
[15:25:52] <cradek> whatever, you know what I mean
[15:25:55] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah.
[15:25:58] <cradek> welcome to the real power of autocad
[15:26:17] <A-L-P-H-A> I do that from time to time, but I always forget how to trigger the calculations.
[15:39:04] <slomo> hey cradek couple questions about using emc
[15:39:32] <robin_z> bah, why this GUI segfault and leave no useful clues in the stack frame huh?
[15:39:45] <robin_z> * robin_z curses multi threaded programs
[15:42:42] <A-L-P-H-A> multithreaded programs are great... as long as you know the flow of the process.
[15:42:46] <A-L-P-H-A> otherwise, they are hell. :)
[15:45:09] <A-L-P-H-A> need to modify a way cover... before I use my mill again.
[15:45:15] <slomo> on a machine with no limit switches or home sw and 0.00 defined in the ini ....
[15:45:33] <slomo> why does emc continue to drive thru that position ?
[15:49:23] <Ponder_Stibbons> does (or will) emc support 'ethernet Powerlink' (http://www.ethernet-powerlink.org/) ?
[16:09:23] <cradek> does: no
[16:09:46] <cradek> will: don't know, definitely not soon.
[16:23:12] <Ponder_Stibbons> okay thx
[16:34:11] <robin_z> power-over-ethernet has great potential
[16:34:25] <robin_z> I hope it becomes a de-facto standard
[16:34:52] <SteveStallings> it is not about power, it is about real-time ethernet
[16:35:09] <robin_z> oh, .
[16:35:17] <robin_z> a differrnet thing entirely then
[16:35:31] <SteveStallings> yes
[16:35:39] <robin_z> ah well
[16:35:57] <robin_z> I still hope power over ethernet becomes popular
[16:36:25] <SteveStallings> VOIP appliances will probably drive this
[16:36:33] <robin_z> Im waiting for the virii that convince humble PC's to tell the switches they are 'power enabled' and get a shot of 240V up them :)
[16:37:10] <SteveStallings> a properly designed Ethernet interface will not care
[16:37:19] <robin_z> yeah, voip is the driving force in that market I guess
[16:37:24] <SteveStallings> it is transformer isolated
[16:37:31] <robin_z> been running Asterisk here for voip
[16:37:34] <robin_z> * robin_z nods
[16:37:54] <robin_z> works well,
[16:38:31] <robin_z> going to use it to distribute audio to web clients using a cut-down softphone
[16:39:25] <robin_z> 323h was the other alternative ... I forget why we cast that one asside
[16:39:25] <SteveStallings> have you investigated inexpensive voip telephone instruments?
[16:39:31] <robin_z> yes.
[16:39:36] <robin_z> briefly
[16:39:45] <A-L-P-H-A> crap crap crap... I have a part that I can't fix down... or can't think of a safe way to do it. the part is an angle iron, and I need to machine out the shorter side. And the long side is 5", short side is 3.5", and I need a 4" shim to hold the part up... but I can't figure it out... idea?
[16:40:28] <Ponder_Stibbons> bye
[16:40:59] <robin_z> it seems the budgetone 101 is the phone of choice
[16:41:12] <A-L-P-H-A> ?
[16:43:31] <SteveStallings> gee, things have gotten cheaper in voip!
[16:43:49] <robin_z> cant you calmp the shprt side flush to a block of scrap flat down
[16:43:54] <robin_z> SteveStallings: yeah
[16:44:07] <robin_z> SteveStallings: have a look at the 'firefly' softphone too
[16:44:19] <robin_z> SteveStallings: works well, if you are happy with a softphoen
[16:46:23] <SteveStallings> nope, want traditional telephone instruments
[17:06:45] <les> hi guys... lunch break for me
[17:07:10] <les> just came in the office for a sec
[17:08:10] <les> Ordering a spin index and an expensive diamond wheel to sharpen spiral and flat edge bits
[17:08:52] <les> Just reading up on how to true a resin bond diamond wheel
[17:09:27] <les> Would rather farm it out, but with the nearest UPS pack and ship 20 miles away...
[17:09:39] <SteveStallings> keep in mind that truing a resin wheel consumes part of its useful life and it is best to leave it mounted on a dedicated machine
[17:10:02] <les> sounds reasonable
[17:10:34] <les> don't know much about it...but I will!
[17:11:14] <SteveStallings> also only sharpen carbide, diamond desolves in steel 8-)
[17:12:14] <les> yes I read that one easy way to true a resin wheel is to just grind some soft steel for a while
[17:12:45] <les> I will use that diamond wheel truing thing in MSC
[17:12:57] <les> It's prob just a bar of 1018
[17:13:20] <les> oh and the alumina cleaning sticks
[17:13:40] <les> understand I must do that after dressing to open up the grain
[17:14:24] <les> oh well off to lunch...later
[17:21:13] <A-L-P-H-A> Spent 40 minutes positioning the part for cutting... and I haven't even begun milling it yet!!! :P
[17:59:05] <stevestallings2> hi ray
[17:59:19] <rayh> Hi Steve.
[17:59:33] <rayh> I see two of you.
[17:59:49] <stevestallings2> yea, still having problems with disconnects
[18:00:30] <rayh> quit doesn't work?
[18:00:45] <A-L-P-H-A> heh
[18:00:55] <A-L-P-H-A> if you're registered... you can kill the ghost with nickserve
[18:01:09] <stevestallings2> goes dead, nothing works, eventually client declares disconnect
[18:01:30] <rayh> Okay.
[18:02:12] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... trying to decide on what to have for lunch.
[18:02:26] <A-L-P-H-A> wett indian (roti), pizza, or a burger...
[18:02:30] <A-L-P-H-A> west
[18:03:00] <A-L-P-H-A> Indian it is! I'll be back later.
[18:45:12] <A-L-P-H-A> who's good with atmels/pics?
[18:45:46] <rayh> * rayh puts hands in pockets
[18:45:59] <A-L-P-H-A> how many pins are needed to a hatachi LCD/LED controller? 2 or 8?
[18:48:36] <rayh> Don't know
[18:51:32] <A-L-P-H-A> wtf? I'm getting whacked spam... or something... there's no attachment, no url, no advertising... but just some random russian guy, saying hello to someone named Judi, and how he enjoyed his trip to America. Well I'm in Canada...
[18:54:21] <stevestallings2> time for me to go, later.....
[19:14:34] <A-L-P-H-A> this is so _messed_ I graduated university in 2003. And I _just_ recieved my graduating years yearbook. wth? it's 2005 now.
[19:27:24] <alex_joni> gevening
[19:34:32] <A-L-P-H-A> hey, you're back
[19:34:36] <A-L-P-H-A> connect as root?
[19:34:39] <A-L-P-H-A> evil.
[19:34:50] <alex_joni> compiling a new kernel
[19:35:01] <alex_joni> and I don't really like to su
[19:35:02] <alex_joni> :)
[19:35:12] <alex_joni> wanna know a secret?
[19:36:05] <alex_joni> my current kernel doesn't have iptables support :))
[19:36:13] <alex_joni> that's why I gotta rebuild it
[19:49:50] <nedr> umm ok hi is thing on?
[19:50:16] <nedr> [irc no0bi]
[19:50:32] <cradek> yes
[19:51:24] <nedr> awsome! BDI EMC?
[19:51:51] <nedr> So, i've 2 PCs --an AMD K6 400mhz, and a Pentium Pro 200.
[19:52:09] <nedr> And i'd like to run bdi-live[4.16]. but i got confused by the web site.
[19:52:26] <nedr> does 4.*16* [not 4.08-- "Note: Please don't use with K6 processors." ]
[19:52:50] <nedr> work on AMD K6 machine?
[19:52:55] <cradek> I am pretty sure 4.16 will.
[19:54:29] <nedr> cool. thanks hey how about SiS onboard graphics chips? they still a problem?
[19:55:30] <cradek> I don't know, but if you have problems, just disable the onboard video and plug in a card.
[19:56:21] <nedr> ok.
[19:57:13] <A-L-P-H-A> OMG... it's 4.16 now?
[19:57:20] <A-L-P-H-A> I jsut downloaded 4.14 like two days ago.
[19:57:30] <A-L-P-H-A> or whenever alex_joni and I were fighting for bandwidth.
[19:57:56] <A-L-P-H-A> okie. it's still 4.14
[20:00:23] <nedr> oops my bad: http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/ [04-feb-2005]
[20:00:24] <alex_joni> alpha: managed to download it?
[20:00:53] <A-L-P-H-A> yup
[20:00:56] <A-L-P-H-A> getright is good.
[20:00:57] <alex_joni> btw... over the weekend I'll reinstall dsplabs.utt.ro
[20:01:06] <alex_joni> so I'll mirror the other cd's aswell
[20:01:27] <alex_joni> * alex_joni boots the new kernel
[20:01:31] <A-L-P-H-A> digital signal processing lab?
[20:01:36] <alex_joni> yup
[20:01:53] <alex_joni> back in a bit (hopefully)
[20:43:35] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is running a shiny new kernel
[20:48:40] <Imperator_> today i wanted to mirror the new BDI to my side, but i got only a "forbitten" from the sherline server !!
[20:49:08] <alex_joni> get it from me Martin
[20:49:32] <alex_joni> sherline complained about little bandwidth
[20:49:40] <Imperator_> ok
[20:49:58] <alex_joni> should work pretty ok
[20:50:16] <Imperator_> I try it tomorrow
[20:51:06] <alex_joni> yay ... my iptables is running
[20:51:18] <Imperator_> have to look if apche can to HTTP PUT
[20:51:48] <Imperator_> so you don't have any access to your server anymore, Alex, hehe
[20:56:00] <robin_sz> meep!
[20:56:24] <alex_joni> beep
[20:56:31] <robin_sz> this is looking fun ... being able to compile that windows crud from Linux
[20:56:36] <robin_sz> mingw32
[20:56:51] <alex_joni> yup
[20:57:04] <robin_sz> ooh, new browser vulnerablity ..
[20:57:15] <alex_j> what browser?
[20:57:57] <robin_sz> firfox, netscape, konqueror ...
[20:58:04] <robin_sz> everyting except ie
[20:58:16] <robin_sz> http://secunia.com/multiple_browsers_idn_spoofing_test
[20:58:25] <alex_j> huh
[20:58:32] <alex_j> opera too?
[20:58:38] <robin_sz> yep
[20:58:51] <robin_sz> safari ... omniweb ...
[20:58:57] <robin_sz> try it out on that page
[21:00:28] <alex_j> doesn't work in konqueror
[21:00:35] <alex_j> at least not in mine
[21:00:46] <alex_j> does work in opera
[21:02:49] <robin_sz> not much does work in konqueror :)
[21:03:22] <alex_j> lol.. yeah
[21:04:11] <alex_j> I kinda like firefox
[21:04:11] <alex_j> installed it today
[21:04:11] <alex_j> I remember trying it out some time ago, but it's nice now
[21:17:09] <robin_sz> yeah
[21:17:18] <robin_sz> we run firefox here
[21:17:43] <robin_sz> thnakfully my hopeless dumb-ass bank doesnt recognise it for ebanking
[21:17:57] <robin_sz> actually, thats not actually a problem for me
[21:18:32] <alex_j> actually .. not ?
[21:18:37] <alex_j> :D
[21:18:44] <robin_sz> ive only been with them a year
[21:18:55] <robin_sz> so ive not managed to set up ebanking yet
[21:19:11] <robin_sz> ive tried
[21:19:12] <alex_j> that takes more than a year?
[21:19:16] <alex_j> :D
[21:19:16] <robin_sz> oh yes
[21:19:19] <robin_sz> lots more
[21:19:26] <alex_j> thought estuff is supposed to be easy
[21:19:26] <alex_j> ;)
[21:19:38] <robin_sz> let me give you an example
[21:20:02] <robin_sz> security question: what is your favourite movie?
[21:20:49] <robin_sz> I answer; apocolypse now
[21:20:57] <robin_sz> error: no spaces allowed
[21:20:59] <robin_sz> doh.
[21:21:22] <robin_sz> next question favourite musical group:
[21:21:25] <robin_sz> rush
[21:21:34] <robin_sz> error: must have 8 to 20 chars
[21:21:46] <anonimasu> hello
[21:21:59] <robin_sz> result, I end up entering stuff that isnt my real answers and cant remember it next time
[21:22:12] <robin_sz> you need to be a special kind of moron to invent a system like that
[21:22:20] <anonimasu> agreed
[21:23:00] <robin_sz> the best bit is .. to register, you have to write your password down on a piec of papaer and hand it in at the bank
[21:23:24] <anonimasu> now that's secure
[21:23:29] <robin_sz> stunning.
[21:23:33] <alex_j> hey an0n, feeling better?
[21:23:41] <alex_j> robin: agreed
[21:23:54] <anonimasu> alex_j: not really I had a couple of painkiller earlier.. so it's gone for the moment
[21:24:09] <alex_j> thought we (.ro) were behind with this stuff, seems everybody is
[21:24:27] <alex_j> drink'em with vodka ;)
[21:25:45] <anonimasu> haha
[21:25:46] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:27:12] <alex_j> then you'll be sure to not feel anything ;)
[21:28:02] <gezr> hmm the firefox thing is interesting
[21:28:06] <anonimasu> :D
[21:28:54] <alex_j> anyone knows how ip_nat_irc works?
[21:29:14] <anonimasu> what's that?
[21:29:35] <alex_j> iptables module for irc nat support
[21:29:48] <anonimasu> strange..
[21:29:54] <alex_j> what is?
[21:30:12] <anonimasu> probably a module for translating dcc requests..
[21:30:17] <anonimasu> err the address sent with them
[21:30:21] <anonimasu> from the internal ip to the external.
[21:30:33] <alex_j> hmm.. could be
[21:30:51] <anonimasu> usually you do that on the irc client instead..
[21:31:27] <alex_j> I see...
[21:31:34] <robin_sz> grr
[21:31:41] <alex_j> doesn't seem to make any difference
[21:31:51] <robin_sz> still no s*dding rabbit compiler
[21:31:59] <anonimasu> alex_j: what are you trying to do?
[21:32:31] <robin_sz> either this compiler nonesense is resolved by 12pm tomorow, or the postman can tak it back
[21:32:49] <rayh> Need your thoughts when you get a moment.
[21:33:15] <rayh> I added an approach to glossary in the wiki.
[21:33:17] <anonimasu> are you trying to get your DCC's to work or somthing?
[21:33:33] <robin_sz> right ..
[21:33:40] <rayh> Not certain that it's a good one.
[21:34:37] <robin_sz> shrug ...
[21:34:39] <alex_j> an0n: not really.. just wondering
[21:34:39] <alex_j> rayh: opening now
[21:34:41] <robin_sz> seems OK to me
[21:34:53] <robin_sz> nice use of advanced features too :)
[21:35:28] <alex_j> robin: I think of some good sauce to go with that rabbit
[21:35:28] <alex_j> cook it ;)
[21:35:36] <anonimasu> ok
[21:35:38] <rayh> I wonder if we would be able to search for anchors within a page.
[21:35:59] <robin_sz> it does anchors in some way
[21:36:23] <rayh> Saw that but my head was not able to get round it.
[21:36:23] <anonimasu> probably
[21:36:45] <A-L-P-H-A> :D DONE! the rotary axis is completed... all that's needed now to make it work, is a 5-stepper stepper driver...
[21:37:05] <alex_j> why am I a wiki page?
[21:37:30] <robin_sz> each author gets an auto generated one
[21:37:36] <A-L-P-H-A> cause you're spe-shoe.
[21:37:53] <robin_sz> you can protect it from people writing Bad Things with your password :)
[21:38:10] <alex_j> RayH doesn't have one ;)
[21:38:24] <robin_sz> yet :)
[21:38:27] <alex_j> neither do you.. or at least it doesn't show in the list
[21:38:28] <alex_j> ahhh
[21:38:30] <alex_j> :P
[21:38:41] <alex_j> actually I don't mind ;)
[21:39:32] <alex_j> rayh: the Glossary looks good to me
[21:39:34] <anonimasu> alex_j: where are your page on the wiki?
[21:39:56] <alex_j> http://www.redpoint.org.uk/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Alex_Joni
[21:40:28] <anonimasu> hehe
[21:40:29] <anonimasu> neat
[21:40:32] <anonimasu> :p
[21:42:28] <rayh> robin_sz: Do I need an individual editor password or is the default password enough?
[21:43:12] <robin_sz> default pass gives access to the entire wiki .. your pass doesnt do what you think it does ;0)
[21:43:47] <alex_j> I thought the personal pass is for remembering me
[21:44:08] <anonimasu> haha
[21:48:51] <rayh> You think it's time for a general advertisement of the EmcKnowledgeBase?
[21:50:46] <alex_j> it's right on the front page of linuxcnc.org
[21:50:53] <alex_j> pretty advertised to me ;)
[21:51:11] <alex_j> but posting to the lists would be ok
[21:54:26] <rayh> Interesting. Alex_Joni gets a page but it is not connected to the main page.
[21:54:40] <A-L-P-H-A> what wiki entry did you put in?
[21:54:41] <alex_j> why should it be?
[21:54:43] <alex_j> ;)
[21:54:58] <rayh> No clue.
[21:55:10] <alex_j> btw, google finds the wiki
[21:55:16] <robin_sz> kewl
[21:55:20] <alex_j> (searched for "emc wiki")
[21:55:24] <alex_j> link no. 3
[21:56:49] <robin_sz> ive got several wikis running now
[21:57:01] <robin_sz> two doing well
[21:57:08] <rayh> Okay. Rayhenry has a page link but no page.
[21:57:12] <robin_sz> one absolutely zero interest
[21:57:36] <robin_sz> this one and a shooting one doing really well
[21:57:44] <robin_sz> bugger all interest in the G2002 one
[21:57:57] <rayh> 'cause he has not clicked on it and saved anything.
[21:58:19] <alex_j> heh
[21:58:42] <alex_j> short question
[21:58:47] <alex_j> did you guys try emcconf?
[21:58:58] <robin_sz> I tried vodka
[21:59:02] <robin_sz> is that similar?
[21:59:03] <alex_j> I wasn't even aware it exists
[21:59:06] <alex_j> almost
[21:59:11] <alex_j> same effect
[21:59:17] <robin_sz> I just got a load of 33d scans back
[21:59:21] <robin_sz> 3d
[21:59:23] <alex_j> you get a working .ini afterwards
[21:59:29] <alex_j> (=headache)
[21:59:35] <robin_sz> very kewl ...
[21:59:43] <robin_sz> wanna see some jpegs?
[21:59:47] <alex_j> sure
[22:00:58] <alex_j> http://img180.exs.cx/img180/3449/emcconfig12vy.jpg
[22:01:43] <robin_sz> http://www.quacky.co.uk/~robin/pgrip.jpeg
[22:02:11] <alex_j> cool
[22:02:15] <robin_sz> yep
[22:02:24] <robin_sz> have them in Rhino,
[22:02:32] <alex_j> http://img176.exs.cx/img176/9408/emcconfig45ba.jpg
[22:03:08] <robin_sz> and I have some CAM output, 1/2" router rough pass, 12mm ball nose surfacing pass
[22:03:27] <alex_j> how did you scan it?
[22:03:32] <anonimasu> hm, why didnt you cad it?
[22:03:33] <robin_sz> well.
[22:03:41] <robin_sz> its comlpex shape
[22:03:57] <anonimasu> yeah, but still :) wouldnt it be cheaper then scanning?
[22:03:58] <robin_sz> not sure how I would have created it in cad from scratch
[22:04:09] <robin_sz> well, scanning was �600 for two
[22:04:14] <anonimasu> ouch
[22:04:23] <robin_sz> but ... we'll make 100 plus of them
[22:04:32] <robin_sz> wanna see what it goes on?
[22:04:38] <anonimasu> I'd have used splines.. to build it up..
[22:04:48] <anonimasu> from the bottom to top :)
[22:05:03] <robin_sz> http://www.hps-tr.com/ultraStocks.htm#fr703
[22:05:08] <rayh> alex_j: Looks like progress is being made on the configuration stuff since I saw it last.
[22:05:29] <robin_sz> anonimasu: yeah, I could do something that *looked* similar with splines and sectional curves
[22:05:53] <anonimasu> I love the ts701.
[22:05:55] <robin_sz> anonimasu: but actual fit is the key here, it needs to fit *just right*
[22:06:17] <anonimasu> robin_sz: yeah, but after making maybe 2-3 prototypes and modifying the model to fit..
[22:06:52] <A-L-P-H-A> I forgot Yanks are gun freaks.
[22:07:03] <anonimasu> or well, take lots of measurements..
[22:07:11] <A-L-P-H-A> oh, it's brits.
[22:07:20] <anonimasu> * anonimasu isnt a gun freak
[22:07:50] <robin_sz> * robin_sz isnt a yank either :)
[22:07:56] <anonimasu> but the look of it is nice.. now with a silencer ^
[22:07:57] <anonimasu> ^_^
[22:08:05] <A-L-P-H-A> �1956????
[22:08:06] <A-L-P-H-A> ouch
[22:08:09] <anonimasu> :D
[22:08:30] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A can see anonimasu playing real like FPS... and sitting in a tower camping.
[22:08:36] <A-L-P-H-A> like=life
[22:08:43] <A-L-P-H-A> , camping
[22:08:54] <robin_sz> these are high accuracy competition guns, typically used in major comps like commonwealth games or olympics
[22:09:12] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: actually I do that on nthe occasions I play ;)
[22:10:00] <A-L-P-H-A> real life FPS?? :)
[22:10:18] <anonimasu> no way
[22:10:25] <A-L-P-H-A> in UT2k4, it's kinda hard to snipe at times... I used to do it in other games.
[22:10:41] <anonimasu> hm.. I love the sniper of that game..
[22:10:59] <anonimasu> easy to run around zoomed in..
[22:11:47] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, I bought the game, and I've played it on/off... haven't touched it in months now, since I've been motivated in getting my mill and lathe into action. [well, lathe has been up and running for 3 yrs] just got the mill functional last week.
[22:12:14] <A-L-P-H-A> zooming is for pansies. Real players can hit the pixel without zoom. :)
[22:12:43] <anonimasu> I just play it when I am around my rl friends..
[22:12:43] <A-L-P-H-A> especially those that play at 800x600 :) Bigger pixels to hit. :) hehe
[22:13:04] <alex_j> * alex_j hasn't played in a while
[22:13:13] <alex_j> but back when I was playing it was DF all over
[22:13:17] <A-L-P-H-A> I actually just deleted yesterday... I'd need to reinstall if I were to go play again.
[22:13:21] <anonimasu> :)
[22:13:23] <alex_j> df1
[22:13:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I like onslaught more.
[22:13:41] <alex_j> we used to play that a LOT (4-man teams)
[22:13:47] <anonimasu> hm, I like ctf :)
[22:13:50] <alex_j> I was a sniper ;)
[22:14:04] <anonimasu> I miss the times when I played TF
[22:14:14] <anonimasu> quake + tf.. that is
[22:14:16] <A-L-P-H-A> TFC?
[22:14:22] <A-L-P-H-A> that's TFC.
[22:14:22] <anonimasu> nope.. tf..
[22:14:26] <anonimasu> no.. that's tf
[22:14:26] <A-L-P-H-A> orr. MTF
[22:14:30] <anonimasu> tfc is a hl addon
[22:14:31] <anonimasu> :)
[22:14:34] <anonimasu> tf is the orginal..
[22:14:43] <alex_j> rayh: emcconf looks pretty ok,
[22:14:43] <A-L-P-H-A> Mega Team Fortress was for Q1.
[22:14:47] <anonimasu> it was so nice :)
[22:15:05] <alex_j> doesn't handle directories though (expects standard locations)
[22:15:06] <A-L-P-H-A> I played TFC (half life)
[22:15:08] <A-L-P-H-A> it was fun.
[22:15:13] <alex_j> had to adjust a bit to get it working
[22:15:20] <anonimasu> tf was better though..
[22:15:32] <A-L-P-H-A> then there was another game, that you played coop again the the computer... it was another HL mod.
[22:15:39] <anonimasu> :)
[22:15:46] <A-L-P-H-A> Alien Swarm mod for UT2k4 is pretty awesome as well.
[22:16:04] <alex_j> * alex_j is going to sleep
[22:16:05] <anonimasu> :)
[22:16:07] <anonimasu> never seen it
[22:16:09] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawnsw
[22:16:10] <A-L-P-H-A> damn... I'm looking at the rifle still... nice rifle.
[22:16:12] <anonimasu> I am too
[22:16:16] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: which one?
[22:16:24] <A-L-P-H-A> the black one TS701, TS702
[22:16:26] <anonimasu> ts702 ^_^
[22:16:27] <anonimasu> hehe
[22:16:32] <anonimasu> it's "cute"
[22:17:19] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: just remember ... that �1956 price tag was a bare stock, not an actual rifle ... barrel, action trigger etc are on top of that :)
[22:17:32] <robin_sz> look at 3500 comlpete
[22:17:33] <anonimasu> lol
[22:17:56] <A-L-P-H-A> urk.
[22:18:33] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd just need a barrel + scope. Everything else I _could_ machine.
[22:18:46] <A-L-P-H-A> if I had the design specifics.
[22:18:51] <robin_sz> http://www.hps-tr.com/rigs.htm
[22:18:58] <robin_sz> look at the test rig at the bootm
[22:19:01] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz, this your stuff??
[22:19:01] <robin_sz> bottom
[22:19:16] <anonimasu> heh machining a full rifle..
[22:19:17] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: nah, I just work with the guy on projects from time to time
[22:19:22] <anonimasu> showoff ;D
[22:19:38] <robin_sz> that test rig is his pride and joy
[22:20:10] <anonimasu> I'd love to machine one though..
[22:20:15] <alex_j> ok.. bye guys
[22:20:16] <anonimasu> but that'd be illegal over here..
[22:20:25] <rayh> See you alex.
[22:20:31] <A-L-P-H-A> omg? people actually buy this stuff at these prices?
[22:20:40] <robin_sz> oh yes.
[22:20:51] <anonimasu> probably
[22:20:53] <A-L-P-H-A> holy crap! wow.
[22:20:56] <anonimasu> I saw somthing
[22:20:56] <robin_sz> serious competitors though, not your average guy
[22:21:30] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A: you sw someting?
[22:22:16] <anonimasu> http://www.dctechs.com/rifle.htm
[22:22:25] <robin_sz> * robin_sz guesses
[22:22:34] <robin_sz> is it the AR15 from solid project?
[22:22:44] <anonimasu> no, but I've seen taht also..
[22:23:07] <anonimasu> I know a guy that's a gunsmith.. he claimed a cnc machine could never reach enough precision.. :D
[22:23:16] <anonimasu> for a rifle..
[22:24:48] <A-L-P-H-A> I was refering to people buying these things at these prices. :)
[22:24:49] <robin_sz> well,
[22:24:56] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, does that thing fire?
[22:24:59] <robin_sz> for the barrel, possibly so
[22:25:08] <anonimasu> it dosent have a barrel.. but probably..
[22:25:31] <robin_sz> barrels are typically machined to within +- 1/10th
[22:25:40] <anonimasu> 1/10th?
[22:25:45] <anonimasu> how manu 0,000 is that
[22:25:45] <anonimasu> ?
[22:25:46] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, uh, does the gunsmiff know that a CNC machine can get into 0.00001"?
[22:25:47] <anonimasu> in mm
[22:25:51] <robin_sz> of a thou
[22:25:54] <anonimasu> oh ok..
[22:26:07] <anonimasu> they file all stuff...
[22:26:18] <robin_sz> they turn it in lathes
[22:26:23] <robin_sz> fine passes,
[22:26:26] <robin_sz> measure
[22:26:26] <anonimasu> yeah but mechanism..
[22:26:34] <robin_sz> wait
[22:26:35] <anonimasu> I didnt argue too much
[22:26:45] <robin_sz> the mechanism isnt that precise
[22:26:49] <robin_sz> but the barrel is
[22:26:50] <anonimasu> although they do collector weapons...
[22:26:55] <robin_sz> shrug.
[22:27:01] <anonimasu> cant remember the website..
[22:27:05] <anonimasu> some famous french ones..
[22:27:09] <robin_sz> for me, its just a tool I use for my sport
[22:27:47] <robin_sz> not a gun nut, I dont even get it out of its bag from one competition to the next
[22:27:56] <anonimasu> yep
[22:28:54] <robin_sz> I do worry about the guys that *really* like em .. the ones who wear camo gear for breakfast
[22:29:08] <anonimasu> yeah I do too..
[22:29:29] <robin_sz> that should be enough reason to ban them from ownership
[22:30:15] <anonimasu> he dosent know about how precise cnc machining can be though..
[22:30:21] <anonimasu> they do it he traditional way..
[22:30:27] <robin_sz> right
[22:30:43] <robin_sz> the guy I know is a talented machinist
[22:30:51] <robin_sz> just bought a HAAS vmc
[22:30:58] <robin_sz> he knows whats what
[22:31:19] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:31:37] <robin_sz> the handgrip project will save him *hours*
[22:32:05] <anonimasu> machining that thing on a good VMC wont take that many minutes ;)
[22:32:17] <robin_sz> theres about 40 parts
[22:32:38] <robin_sz> hell probably sub out the big chunk still, but do all the small parts in house
[22:32:48] <robin_sz> dunno really
[22:33:16] <robin_sz> he is a very talented machinist though
[22:33:19] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:33:42] <anonimasu> that helps
[22:34:44] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm off for a little bit.
[22:34:56] <A-L-P-H-A> clean up the mess in the shop I made earlier.
[22:35:03] <robin_sz> euuw.
[22:43:17] <anonimasu> bleh, I feel like cad drawing somthing.
[22:45:36] <robin_sz> mmm...
[22:45:42] <robin_sz> hey les
[22:45:48] <les> hi robin
[22:45:56] <les> ear is red
[22:46:07] <robin_sz> sunburn?
[22:46:13] <les> was on a couple hour conference call to chicago
[22:46:15] <robin_sz> chewed off by angry cutomer
[22:46:20] <robin_sz> oh
[22:46:21] <robin_sz> hehe
[22:46:27] <robin_sz> I have a headset for that
[22:46:35] <anonimasu> heh
[22:46:58] <les> Naw, I am the advisor to a University of Illinois engineering senior project
[22:47:12] <robin_sz> wow
[22:47:15] <anonimasu> cool
[22:47:19] <robin_sz> if only they reallised ...
[22:47:24] <robin_sz> ;)
[22:47:56] <les> They are assigned to solve an optical analysis problem having to do with my encoder invention
[22:48:07] <robin_sz> ahh :)
[22:48:11] <les> Sponsored by ITW
[22:48:24] <robin_sz> so it involves Hard Sums (tm)
[22:48:42] <les> Things are gettin a little weird here....
[22:48:53] <robin_sz> they are?
[22:49:04] <les> ITW has even turned on my 401k retirement plan
[22:49:13] <les> funny since...
[22:49:14] <robin_sz> whatever that is
[22:49:29] <les> I am not an employee
[22:49:37] <anonimasu> I wish my 401k?
[22:49:39] <anonimasu> heh
[22:49:39] <les> I resigned to start a business
[22:49:43] <robin_sz> whats a 401K
[22:49:58] <robin_sz> like, pension?
[22:50:02] <les> A company mached funded retirement plan
[22:50:07] <les> matched
[22:50:10] <robin_sz> right
[22:50:18] <les> in addition to a pension
[22:50:22] <anonimasu> nice
[22:50:24] <robin_sz> oh, right
[22:50:31] <robin_sz> we have similar things here
[22:50:40] <les> I know what it is...why they are doing this
[22:50:55] <robin_sz> to make yo happy?
[22:51:11] <les> My mirror heater patent expires in 2008
[22:51:30] <les> They still use my cam program to make it
[22:51:30] <robin_sz> to make you not want to spend your life machining things and want to work more for them?
[22:51:46] <anonimasu> hehe
[22:51:47] <anonimasu> nice
[22:51:49] <robin_sz> uh huh ...
[22:51:52] <les> I am the only one who knows how it really works
[22:51:56] <robin_sz> heh
[22:52:01] <les> and...
[22:52:21] <les> total sales have now been 0.5 billion
[22:52:38] <robin_sz> so in 2008, you *could* set up doing it yourself or go to Ford or GM and sell the expertise
[22:52:56] <les> too bad They don't give percentages huh?
[22:53:11] <les> Well they are thinking about that I think
[22:53:20] <robin_sz> heh :)
[22:53:22] <anonimasu> :)
[22:53:25] <les> They want me to come back
[22:53:52] <les> I don't want to...I am having a good time with my business
[22:53:54] <anonimasu> les: being a consultant is profitable
[22:54:01] <les> sure is
[22:54:08] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:54:27] <robin_sz> buy that spindle and toolchanger :)
[22:54:36] <anonimasu> yeah�'
[22:54:38] <anonimasu> hehe
[22:54:42] <les> anyway in a couple years there will be some issues to deal with
[22:54:51] <anonimasu> automate your production..
[22:54:57] <robin_sz> with the heaters?
[22:54:58] <anonimasu> and work part time as consultant ;)
[22:55:16] <anonimasu> and push more $ into your company
[22:55:25] <anonimasu> and onto your retirement..
[22:55:32] <les> anon...I do just that
[22:55:41] <anonimasu> ok
[22:55:41] <robin_sz> les: seen the ROSHH stuff that hitting the eu electronics industry?
[22:55:51] <les> no....explain
[22:56:09] <robin_sz> restriction of substances hazardous to health
[22:56:17] <les> like?
[22:56:20] <robin_sz> liek .. can only be built with lead-free solder
[22:56:35] <les> oh the bismuth stuff
[22:56:41] <robin_sz> worse ... you cant use certain chemicals in production
[22:56:51] <robin_sz> even if they dont end up in finished product
[22:57:00] <les> already having problems with that when I try to repair a circuit board
[22:57:12] <les> what chemicals?
[22:57:18] <robin_sz> loads and loads
[22:57:24] <robin_sz> theres huge list
[22:57:33] <anonimasu> eu's a stupid thing
[22:57:40] <les> Hmmm the Heaters are produce in the UK
[22:57:44] <robin_sz> and this applies to parts sourced overseas too
[22:58:35] <les> I had to use toluene, ortho xylene, and tri methyl benzene in the ink solvent system
[22:58:43] <les> bet those are on the list
[22:58:46] <robin_sz> RoHs it is ..
[22:58:49] <robin_sz> not ROSHH
[22:59:22] <les> I must use those...I am practically having to dissolve polythene
[22:59:25] <les> not easy
[22:59:48] <anonimasu> heh, http://www.pb-free.info/directive.htm
[22:59:56] <robin_sz> actually its a smalller list than I though
[22:59:59] <gezr> robin_sz : hey question about powder coating, if I have a part, that I can only clean or blast off certian parts of the coat, and then if the old coat is protected from getting a new coat, will that cause problems in the oven?
[23:00:04] <robin_sz> http://www.ul-europe.com/en/solutions/services/rscs.php
[23:00:07] <les> actually high molecular weight ethylene vinyl acetate bolck co polymer
[23:00:13] <les> checking...
[23:00:14] <anonimasu> Lead � Pb
[23:00:14] <anonimasu> 0.1 %
[23:00:14] <anonimasu> Mercury - Hg
[23:00:16] <anonimasu> 0.1 %
[23:00:19] <anonimasu> Cadmium - Cd
[23:00:24] <anonimasu> 0.01%
[23:00:29] <robin_sz> gezr: depends on what the old coat is
[23:00:39] <anonimasu> Hexavalent Chromium Cr (VI)
[23:00:40] <gezr> just a black
[23:00:47] <anonimasu> 0.1 %Polybrominated biphenyls � PBB
[23:00:48] <anonimasu> 0.1 %
[23:00:53] <robin_sz> if its a powder black
[23:00:55] <anonimasu> Polybrominated diphenyl ethers - PBDE
[23:00:56] <anonimasu> 0.1 %
[23:00:56] <robin_sz> probably OK
[23:00:59] <anonimasu> sorry for scrolling a bit
[23:01:04] <robin_sz> if its a cellulose black ..
[23:01:08] <robin_sz> big problems
[23:01:43] <gezr> cellulose black, hmm, I dont nor will I be able to test I dont guess, damn, Im gonna have to remove with another method, what do you recomend?
[23:01:52] <robin_sz> paint stripper?
[23:01:58] <gezr> that works?
[23:02:04] <robin_sz> sure
[23:02:05] <anonimasu> hmm..
[23:02:08] <les> Hmmm UL...just down the street from me when I was in Chicago
[23:02:11] <gezr> oh cool, okay, great
[23:02:14] <gezr> robin_sz : thanks :)
[23:02:34] <les> Most of the things I see are related to PCBs
[23:02:46] <robin_sz> it wont work on epoxy and polyester powder, but then, if it doesnt , you dont care anyway
[23:03:08] <les> Is this a veiled attempt at just insuring they are all made in China?
[23:04:21] <robin_sz> unlikely
[23:04:54] <robin_sz> the chinese can probably make them by the same standards we use anyway
[23:05:20] <robin_sz> it used to be china = crap
[23:05:23] <robin_sz> not so anymore
[23:05:36] <robin_sz> has a chinese built audio amp in to look over
[23:05:47] <robin_sz> copy of a "Crest" .. US make
[23:05:55] <les> hmm
[23:05:58] <robin_sz> if anything,
[23:06:05] <robin_sz> the chinese one was neater
[23:06:40] <robin_sz> was only low power, but theyd done a neat job
[23:06:51] <robin_sz> (750W RMS a side)
[23:06:51] <les> Hope they don't discover turkey hunting...
[23:06:57] <les> cool
[23:07:07] <les> sounds like my kinda amp
[23:07:14] <robin_sz> bit small no?
[23:07:15] <anonimasu> nice
[23:07:28] <anonimasu> 750W RMS isnt small ;)
[23:07:35] <robin_sz> my mate builds them up to 2K a side
[23:07:44] <robin_sz> BIG toroids :)
[23:07:54] <les> small? heh...you know what I am running in the music room.
[23:08:00] <anonimasu> my car amp is at 1,5kw
[23:08:03] <anonimasu> blaupunkt :)
[23:08:13] <les> ha...is it enough?
[23:08:13] <robin_sz> not 1.5kw RMS though
[23:08:16] <anonimasu> yeah..
[23:09:01] <anonimasu> it's more then enough
[23:09:05] <les> I used to be an audio design engineer at Shure brothers
[23:09:09] <les> long time ago
[23:09:10] <robin_sz> I'll bring my test load and a power meter :)
[23:09:43] <robin_sz> 1.5kw out is going to be 2kw in, minimum
[23:09:57] <les> That reminds me...I need sitar strings
[23:09:59] <robin_sz> 2kw @12V ...
[23:10:12] <robin_sz> baby sitar?
[23:10:16] <les> robin: class ab I use average 65% eff
[23:10:23] <anonimasu> ;)
[23:10:29] <les> no big sitar
[23:10:38] <les> It's heel to string up
[23:10:49] <les> hell
[23:10:49] <robin_sz> I played the baby sitar once,
[23:10:50] <les> haha
[23:11:35] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[23:11:35] <les> the trick is to get the meend just right...shaping that bridge so it buzzes just so
[23:11:55] <les> sitars are cool anon...really
[23:11:55] <anonimasu> is there any setup howto for emc anywhere?
[23:12:03] <anonimasu> yeah they are
[23:12:06] <anonimasu> I am just a bit tired
[23:12:08] <les> just the wiki
[23:12:17] <anonimasu> hm, does that cover setting up the max speeds?
[23:12:54] <les> don't know...but just MAX_VELOCITY in the ini
[23:13:08] <anonimasu> hmm, I wonder whats limiting my machine then :/
[23:13:14] <anonimasu> my rapids are awefully slow..
[23:13:16] <les> that will set it for g00 moves
[23:13:30] <anonimasu> my g00 moves moves < 1000mm/min
[23:13:42] <anonimasu> more like 400mm/min
[23:13:48] <les> I keep them as slow as I can...no need to wear the bakllscrews
[23:14:11] <robin_sz> my laser is slow in rapids too
[23:14:12] <anonimasu> I want my machine to be fast :/
[23:14:12] <les> mine are at...
[23:14:19] <robin_sz> 84m/min
[23:14:23] <anonimasu> lol
[23:14:25] <anonimasu> that's lots
[23:14:39] <robin_sz> 60m per axis, 84 combined max speed
[23:14:41] <les> 75 mm/s right now
[23:14:45] <les> slow
[23:14:50] <anonimasu> what's the max pulserate I can get out of a 500mhz
[23:14:52] <les> but very few rapids
[23:14:59] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[23:15:07] <robin_sz> its feeds tha count
[23:15:27] <robin_sz> anonimasu: typically 20khz is max on almost anything
[23:15:34] <anonimasu> hm, I tried changing the feed but it didnt seem to make a difference..
[23:15:38] <anonimasu> bleh.. that's awfully slow..
[23:15:45] <les> I can go to about 0.3 m/s
[23:15:48] <anonimasu> :~/
[23:16:02] <robin_sz> you might get more ...
[23:16:11] <anonimasu> probably not..
[23:16:12] <robin_sz> not guranateed though
[23:16:15] <les> that is 75% of critical speed on the ballscrews
[23:16:33] <robin_sz> and at 100% it goes apeshit?
[23:17:02] <anonimasu> hm, I'll increast the multiplier of the geckos then..
[23:17:03] <anonimasu> :(
[23:17:05] <anonimasu> increase..
[23:17:09] <les> well if I needed more I would fit Higher pitch ballscrews
[23:17:17] <les> I have torque to burn
[23:17:40] <anonimasu> well.. I guess I should just throw $ on a vital card soon.
[23:17:46] <les> yeah
[23:17:56] <les> servos go fast!
[23:17:58] <anonimasu> but that sets me back about $1400 with amps.
[23:18:01] <anonimasu> I have servos already..
[23:18:13] <anonimasu> but I cant crank out enough pulses for them..
[23:18:18] <anonimasu> I'd need a pulsegen
[23:18:33] <les> copley 12A8 $75 on ebay...
[23:18:40] <anonimasu> I cant shop on ebay
[23:18:42] <les> 20 amps peak
[23:18:44] <anonimasu> no one ships to sweden..
[23:18:47] <les> 90 volts
[23:18:48] <les> new
[23:19:00] <anonimasu> I need about 800w peak..
[23:19:04] <robin_sz> just trun up the pulse multiplier on the gecko
[23:19:24] <les> oh...I could get em and ship em to you if you really want
[23:19:34] <les> when I get some time...
[23:19:35] <les> soon
[23:19:37] <robin_sz> jmk has some 'free' servos
[23:19:45] <anonimasu> les: yeah, I need to save up for a vital card first
[23:19:51] <anonimasu> :)
[23:19:52] <robin_sz> or possibly cheap anyway
[23:20:17] <les> I am going to buy a bunch I think...normal prive is $300
[23:20:19] <les> price
[23:20:28] <les> and I have a mill to retrofit
[23:20:40] <anonimasu> nice
[23:21:21] <les> peak power is 1800w
[23:21:35] <anonimasu> about the same as mine
[23:21:56] <anonimasu> that's about 2hp isnt it?
[23:22:00] <les> yup
[23:22:16] <anonimasu> almost exactly the same
[23:22:34] <les> 12 amp 90 v continuous
[23:22:44] <les> with a heat sink
[23:23:02] <anonimasu> is that the spindle ? (just making sure)
[23:23:18] <les> no the axis drive servos
[23:23:21] <anonimasu> argh
[23:23:29] <anonimasu> your servos have more hp then my spindle
[23:23:47] <anonimasu> although not as much torque ;)
[23:23:50] <les> I have to push around a 500 kG gantry
[23:24:13] <anonimasu> I'll try setting my geckos to a larger multiplier tomorrow..
[23:24:19] <anonimasu> I wonder how that will affect accuracy..
[23:25:30] <les> not sure
[23:25:34] <anonimasu> but that probably wouldnt matter that much..
[23:26:38] <les> I am a bit anxious to get the BP series II in here
[23:26:50] <les> first of march
[23:27:04] <anonimasu> that'll be a nice workhorse
[23:27:15] <anonimasu> I think we will be buying somthing like that at work soon
[23:27:18] <les> I need it for the engineering side
[23:27:32] <anonimasu> I'd love to retrofit it with servos/steppers
[23:27:32] <les> since the gantry is busy doing wood
[23:28:02] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:28:42] <les> I will use motenc-100, 3 SEM mt-44 servos, Copley amps, and the estop system for my gantry shown on my website
[23:28:59] <les> It has proven very reliable
[23:29:03] <anonimasu> :)
[23:30:19] <les> First I will set the machine outside the shop for cleaninf and perhaps painting
[23:30:43] <les> Poly tarp to protect it from weather
[23:30:48] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:30:52] <anonimasu> hm, how does this sound
[23:31:00] <les> heater inside to prevent any condensation
[23:31:16] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:31:18] <anonimasu> that sounds nice
[23:31:28] <anonimasu> I was thinking about the calculation for my step..
[23:31:32] <les> the heater is very important
[23:32:02] <anonimasu> 5mm leadscrew.. to a 4:1 reduction..
[23:32:03] <les> yes?
[23:32:17] <anonimasu> that makes 5/4 = 1.25
[23:32:26] <anonimasu> 1.25/400
[23:32:30] <les> lead and reduction sound typical
[23:32:34] <anonimasu> 0.0031mm
[23:32:37] <anonimasu> per step
[23:32:49] <anonimasu> is that enough?
[23:32:51] <les> sounds about right
[23:32:55] <anonimasu> or rather small enough ;)
[23:33:22] <les> I have .002 mm per encoder tick
[23:33:45] <anonimasu> yeah.. but the 400 is the 5x pulse multiplier of the gecko..
[23:34:36] <les> On A slower metal only machine I will have a higher encoder resolution
[23:34:45] <les> because I run torque mode
[23:35:01] <les> prob .0005 mm
[23:35:10] <anonimasu> the max following error will be about 1.25/1000*128
[23:35:13] <les> don't need that for acurracy
[23:35:21] <les> just for smooth motion
[23:35:23] <anonimasu> err less..
[23:35:25] <anonimasu> it's 2000
[23:35:37] <anonimasu> since you double the encoder res..
[23:35:59] <anonimasu> about 0.08mm
[23:36:08] <anonimasu> that's before the drive faults..
[23:36:12] <anonimasu> err when
[23:36:15] <les> well it X4 interpolates on the stg and motenc
[23:36:29] <les> gecko is 128 counts?
[23:36:33] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:36:53] <les> That will work at low speeds
[23:37:28] <anonimasu> it dosent fault as long as you dont estop it at full speed..
[23:37:30] <anonimasu> :)
[23:38:02] <les> I have about hmmm 100 counts minferror
[23:38:28] <anonimasu> the 4:1 ratio make the servos plenty
[23:38:28] <les> 400 count at rapid speed
[23:38:28] <anonimasu> :)
[23:39:15] <anonimasu> ok
[23:39:18] <les> I direct drive but that is because my ballscrew pitch is only 5 mm
[23:39:41] <anonimasu> I'd do that if I had enough torque to do that
[23:39:41] <anonimasu> :)
[23:40:02] <anonimasu> I dont fancy belts that much
[23:40:02] <les> well wood cutting forces are almost zero
[23:40:21] <les> I need to go up to 10 mm/rev or more
[23:40:34] <les> but then I could not do metal
[23:40:45] <les> no matter since I am getting the BP
[23:40:53] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:40:55] <anonimasu> http://www.galilmc.com/products/motors/servomotors.html
[23:41:05] <les> checking...
[23:41:14] <anonimasu> if I had the ones in the middle I could probably direct drive..
[23:41:17] <anonimasu> I have the smaller ones..
[23:41:22] <anonimasu> N23-53-1000
[23:41:43] <anonimasu> the other ones were almost $1000 in sweden..
[23:41:44] <anonimasu> each
[23:42:42] <les> As I look...those would be fine for even a BP at 2:1 gearing or more
[23:43:08] <les> inertia is a little high...
[23:43:19] <les> but a good match for a BP
[23:43:22] <anonimasu> of the small ones?
[23:43:26] <anonimasu> or the ones in the middle..
[23:43:58] <les> The middle ones
[23:44:00] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:44:29] <anonimasu> I break endmills with the ones I have already.. but I dont like belts..
[23:44:29] <anonimasu> :)
[23:44:48] <anonimasu> if anything I'd want to have one of thoose coupled gearboxes..
[23:44:52] <anonimasu> backslash free..
[23:44:56] <anonimasu> but $
[23:44:57] <les> Inertia is about the same as 700kG linear using 5 mm direct drive
[23:45:30] <les> at 4:1 inertia is about 2800 kg linear equivalent
[23:45:43] <les> goes as the square of gear ratio
[23:46:16] <les> so motor inertia would limit accel
[23:46:25] <les> but it would be stable
[23:46:36] <les> no big problems
[23:47:01] <anonimasu> btw, do you know how the lathe support is going with em?
[23:47:01] <anonimasu> c
[23:47:25] <les> no...but I need a cnc lathe eventually
[23:47:32] <les> so I am interested
[23:47:33] <anonimasu> ok
[23:47:40] <anonimasu> I am going to build one someday
[23:47:50] <anonimasu> but I need to get some projects finished
[23:47:55] <les> I gave away two when I moved
[23:48:00] <les> sorry I did that
[23:48:07] <anonimasu> :)
[23:48:12] <anonimasu> I have a small lathe but it's too bad to cnc
[23:48:24] <les> Hardinges with burned old servo bandit controls
[23:48:33] <anonimasu> neat
[23:48:39] <anonimasu> the ways are crap..
[23:48:47] <les> They were just too heavy to move
[23:48:58] <anonimasu> and the chuck bearings will wear out soon..
[23:48:59] <les> what lathe do you have?
[23:49:06] <anonimasu> a small one..
[23:49:11] <anonimasu> 1,5m swing..
[23:49:23] <anonimasu> no-brand one..
[23:49:31] <les> ???? 1,5 M????
[23:49:43] <anonimasu> yeah..
[23:49:48] <anonimasu> err bed
[23:49:52] <anonimasu> :D
[23:49:53] <les> wait a sec
[23:50:00] <anonimasu> small lathe..
[23:50:08] <anonimasu> the one at work is alot larger though.
[23:50:09] <les> that would have a mass of several thousand kg
[23:50:37] <anonimasu> the one at work weighs a coupls of tonnes..
[23:50:55] <les> swing is max diameter of a circular work that can be held
[23:51:01] <anonimasu> oh ok
[23:51:21] <les> I have a Boxford VSL 500
[23:51:33] <anonimasu> the one at work takes almost 1m ;)
[23:51:41] <les> It is about 1 ton I guess with the stand
[23:51:43] <anonimasu> but that lathe is scary..
[23:52:07] <anonimasu> the powerfeed has more watts then my spindle..
[23:52:10] <anonimasu> at my mill :)
[23:52:17] <les> I am letting someone use my lathe and mill right now....
[23:52:34] <anonimasu> I need a tiny cnc lathe.. maybe 5dm bed..
[23:52:36] <les> Charging him $US25 per hour
[23:52:49] <anonimasu> that's a good rate
[23:53:09] <les> But I am ending up having to teach him some
[23:53:23] <les> so the rate ends up being not so good
[23:53:39] <anonimasu> better that then having somone kill himself in your shop
[23:53:41] <anonimasu> :)
[23:53:56] <les> Since that time displaces $100/hr engineering work
[23:54:23] <les> I had him sign some legal documents
[23:54:25] <anonimasu> hehe
[23:54:39] <les> So I will not be responsible
[23:54:41] <les> and
[23:54:47] <les> If he breks it
[23:54:50] <les> he buys it
[23:54:55] <anonimasu> very nice
[23:55:26] <les> he is making some kind of prototype
[23:55:37] <les> some golf thing
[23:55:52] <anonimasu> hmm
[23:55:54] <anonimasu> ok
[23:56:07] <anonimasu> I turned some stuff in some nasty steel the other week..
[23:56:32] <les> what kind?
[23:56:35] <anonimasu> the customer was standing next to me.. and I asked him about how close he wanted it..
[23:56:39] <anonimasu> I have no idea..
[23:56:45] <les> haha
[23:56:47] <anonimasu> it sent sparks when cutting it..
[23:56:53] <anonimasu> err turning ;)
[23:56:56] <anonimasu> loads of sparks
[23:57:11] <les> hmmm rpm a bit high
[23:57:18] <les> hi John
[23:57:28] <anonimasu> I said "I'll make it 0.02 under"
[23:57:29] <jmkasunich> hi
[23:57:48] <anonimasu> the customer said "nah make it exact"
[23:57:53] <les> haha
[23:58:12] <jmkasunich> "how much exact would you like to pay for?"
[23:58:13] <anonimasu> the mitutuyo caliper show:ed 0 between the two pices.
[23:58:29] <les> perfect
[23:58:40] <anonimasu> I had it exact already but I was going to take it down so he could mount it without hand polishing it ;)
[23:59:18] <anonimasu> he was actually going to use a angle grinder first.. to get it there.
[23:59:22] <les> yup a 10 mm rod in a 10 mm hole is a press fit
[23:59:53] <anonimasu> he didnt have any idea about how close 0 is..
[23:59:57] <anonimasu> or well 0.02