#emc | Logs for 2005-02-05

[00:14:45] <robin_sz> meep
[00:19:13] <robin_sz> * robin_sz sticks a penguin gif on the Wiki
[00:19:47] <websys> Careful where you stick your penguin
[00:20:00] <robin_sz> quite.
[00:20:05] <robin_sz> they can give you a nasty peck
[00:21:27] <robin_sz> what license do we want on this?
[00:21:30] <robin_sz> GPL?
[00:21:41] <robin_sz> creative commons non-commercial?
[00:24:43] <paul_c> GPL
[00:27:18] <paul_c> Coo.. A new face
[00:27:38] <bradleyb> hi
[00:28:03] <bradleyb> i'm trying to set up emc for the 1st time and was wondering if anyone might be able to help
[00:28:10] <bradleyb> had some specific questions
[00:28:21] <paul_c> ask away
[00:28:59] <bradleyb> i have steppers - it seems like there are a lot .ini params that are for servos.
[00:29:09] <bradleyb> is there a sample ini file for steppers?
[00:30:25] <robin_sz> hmm GPL.
[00:30:45] <robin_sz> not wuite sure how to do a GPL on stuff ive not written ...
[00:31:49] <robin_sz> * robin_sz waves
[00:31:57] <SteveStallings> hi
[00:32:58] <robin_sz> any preference between a creative commons free-to-share / non-commercial license or GPL on the wiki?
[00:34:32] <SteveStallings> hope you are not asking me, I live in a world that assumes that if it is on the net, its free perios
[00:34:37] <SteveStallings> period
[00:34:47] <robin_sz> yeah, fair enough
[00:35:18] <robin_sz> I slapped a CC license on it, I'll change it to something else if people moan sufficiently :)
[00:35:21] <SteveStallings> Paul has some stronger feelings about GPL, at least with respect to code
[00:35:54] <robin_sz> slapping GPL on stuff you havent written personally is nigh on impossible from what I understand
[00:36:24] <robin_sz> and I didn;t write everyting on the wiki
[00:36:34] <robin_sz> so I cant really see how I can GPL it ...
[00:36:37] <robin_sz> whatver,
[00:36:42] <robin_sz> life consdiered too short
[00:36:49] <robin_sz> im sure it will be fine.
[00:38:19] <SteveStallings> I would assume that copyright of any kind could only be apl
[00:38:29] <SteveStallings> applied to the organization of the data,
[00:38:56] <robin_sz> shrug
[00:38:58] <robin_sz> probably
[00:39:30] <robin_sz> whatever, lets see if we can get enough content thats worth copyrighting first :)
[00:39:43] <robin_sz> liked the new front page btw
[00:39:46] <robin_sz> cleaner.
[00:39:57] <robin_sz> I slapped a small chips on it.
[00:40:12] <SteveStallings> by the way, seem to gotten my mIRC client and my firewall happier with each other
[00:40:24] <robin_sz> excellent
[00:40:33] <robin_sz> told you is was that NAT stuff
[00:41:20] <SteveStallings> I would still like to figure out how to modify the banner so that the main title was a stable EMC reference, not just the name of the current page
[00:41:32] <SteveStallings> like having Chips there
[00:42:35] <robin_sz> yeah?
[00:42:45] <robin_sz> liek what do you have in mind?
[00:43:10] <robin_sz> EMC Info :: The Page Title
[00:43:19] <robin_sz> I'll hack the code ...
[00:43:51] <SteveStallings> well, chips is on every page... can we just put a "EMC Knowledgebase" title at the top with a link to the wiki home page just like Chips?
[00:44:15] <SteveStallings> still show current page title
[00:45:06] <SteveStallings> gee, we already have a EmcKnowledgeBase link, just move it to the top and make it bigger
[00:45:21] <robin_sz> you mean like where it says EmcKnowledgebase now, that links to the frontpage, that again, but bigger
[00:45:32] <robin_sz> hmmm
[00:47:31] <SteveStallings> just updated BasicSteps to remove references to UseMod icon
[00:49:01] <robin_sz> hmmm
[00:49:12] <robin_sz> im not sure that extra link works ...
[00:49:23] <SteveStallings> OK, I get the tune, what are the words....?
[00:50:42] <robin_sz> hmmm mmmm ... mmmmm and my dog was dead ...
[00:50:57] <robin_sz> * robin_sz changes the colors for fun
[00:51:19] <SteveStallings> bingo, it works, color is ...... well it's not white
[00:51:30] <robin_sz> FFFFCC
[00:52:40] <SteveStallings> how about e6e6ff to match LinuxCNC.org
[00:54:02] <robin_sz> im not sure that extra header line works
[00:54:52] <SteveStallings> link works fine, perhaps we need to work on the text...
[00:55:09] <SteveStallings> Chips and color lend continuity
[00:56:26] <robin_sz> takes up a lot of spcae
[00:56:41] <SteveStallings> for now how about just add to it >> EMC KnowledgeBase for LinuxCNC
[00:56:45] <robin_sz> creen real-estate should be used by info, not trimmings
[00:57:40] <robin_sz> I put a link in back to linux cnc.org
[00:57:44] <paul_c> * paul_c => food
[00:59:08] <robin_sz> ach, bored now
[00:59:26] <SteveStallings> I don't understand the "backlinks" page that you get when you click on the current page title, does it serve a purpose?
[00:59:41] <robin_sz> shows you what pages link to this one
[01:00:15] <robin_sz> imagine .. i dunno
[01:00:21] <SteveStallings> perhaps the current page title could be prefixed with "You Are Here >" or something like that
[01:00:21] <robin_sz> you are documenting some code
[01:00:48] <robin_sz> you might write a page about some function
[01:01:00] <robin_sz> it would be nice to see which pages referenced that page ...
[01:01:27] <SteveStallings> guess it is useful, just wondering
[01:01:53] <robin_sz> it doesnt use any screen space, its judt 'there if you want it'
[01:02:34] <robin_sz> You are here? ... nah, thats as bad as 'click here' ...
[01:02:45] <SteveStallings> 8-)
[01:04:30] <SteveStallings> I like the ones that are a complete clickable path tree home>there>here but that could get out of hand quickly on a wiki
[01:04:39] <robin_sz> well,
[01:04:44] <robin_sz> weikis are not trees
[01:04:54] <robin_sz> so yo ucant fo the breadcrumb ting
[01:05:07] <robin_sz> so you cant do the breadcrumb thing
[01:05:19] <robin_sz> they are a flat web ... with a named start page
[01:05:56] <robin_sz> theres no hierarchical structure to them
[01:06:05] <SteveStallings> so what is the magic for the banner, not style controls I guess
[01:06:21] <robin_sz> editing the config file :)
[01:06:36] <robin_sz> wanna see it? I can link to it
[01:06:44] <SteveStallings> that basic, I see
[01:11:37] <CIA-temp448> CIA-temp448 is now known as CIA-7
[03:21:23] <A-L-P-H-A> where is the wiki??
[03:21:34] <A-L-P-H-A> url to the wiki?
[11:48:17] <A-L-P-H-A> morning folks.
[11:48:23] <alex_joni> morning
[11:48:42] <A-L-P-H-A> so what's up?
[11:48:50] <alex_joni> nuttin
[11:49:01] <alex_joni> I just got to work ;) (13:50)
[11:49:20] <alex_joni> no work to do, but a friend asked me to install a doze on his machine
[11:49:21] <A-L-P-H-A> didn't you say you work for your father's company? and it's also a saturday.
[11:49:32] <alex_joni> I do work for my dad
[11:49:40] <alex_joni> and I know it's a saturday :P
[11:49:56] <A-L-P-H-A> hehe
[11:50:02] <A-L-P-H-A> all days blur together for me.
[11:50:08] <alex_joni> coo
[11:50:12] <A-L-P-H-A> downling 4.14, again... it died the first time.
[11:50:22] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe I should use getright, or something of the similar elk.
[11:51:47] <A-L-P-H-A> is there an ftp dump of BDI 4.14?
[11:51:48] <alex_joni> what link do you use?
[11:51:55] <A-L-P-H-A> http://sherline.com/emc/
[11:52:00] <alex_joni> try mine
[11:52:06] <alex_joni> just checking if it's done already
[11:52:23] <alex_joni> hmmm.. seems to be stalled too
[11:53:51] <alex_joni> * alex_joni downloads again
[11:54:11] <alex_joni> alpha, try my link to test the speed
[11:54:22] <A-L-P-H-A> okie
[11:54:38] <A-L-P-H-A> why don't we use bittorrent?
[11:54:48] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the link? :)
[11:54:59] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/
[11:55:13] <alex_joni> but you'll have to wait a bit for the download to finish
[11:55:21] <alex_joni> for now you can test your download speed
[11:55:36] <A-L-P-H-A> 20k
[11:55:40] <alex_joni> :(
[11:55:43] <alex_joni> slow
[11:55:51] <alex_joni> I am getting 90k from sherline
[11:56:57] <alex_joni> still 2 hours ETA
[11:59:34] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, you're hogging all the bandwidth. :) hehe
[12:01:05] <A-L-P-H-A> that's better... 85K
[12:01:28] <alex_joni> the link is at college
[12:01:42] <A-L-P-H-A> "screen" is your friend. :)
[12:01:42] <alex_joni> and there's about 150 MBit of bandwith there ;)
[12:08:11] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, what's this win-emc.zip thing you have in there?
[12:10:52] <alex_joni> it's a emc compiled for doze
[12:15:31] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... I wonder if I will go to NAMES this year...
[12:18:56] <alex_joni> I would have wanted to go to FEST
[12:19:32] <A-L-P-H-A> NAMES is in IL. and that's like a 10 hr drive
[12:19:54] <alex_joni> less than I would need to get there
[12:19:54] <alex_joni> ;)
[12:20:55] <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
[12:21:01] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... where's RO?
[12:22:19] <A-L-P-H-A> eta: 105minutes. :(
[12:22:36] <A-L-P-H-A> wait, tha'ts not right.
[12:22:41] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah it is.
[12:22:42] <A-L-P-H-A> nm
[12:22:45] <alex_joni> I have 2hrs+ ETA
[12:22:46] <alex_joni> :(
[12:22:59] <A-L-P-H-A> 1h40m
[12:23:10] <A-L-P-H-A> it'd go faster if I wasn't downloading some torrents.
[14:07:33] <anonimasu> hello
[14:29:38] <alex_joni> hey anon
[14:41:08] <rayh> danfalck: Found a good home for the little power supply you got me.
[14:42:28] <rayh> It's working with emc to start the spindle, dust collector, and a fan to pressurize the lead screw housings on a router table.
[14:42:43] <alex_joni> hey rayh
[14:42:53] <rayh> Hi Alex.
[14:43:02] <alex_joni> what's up?
[14:43:18] <rayh> Weather was up to 40 degrees f. yesterday.
[14:43:52] <alex_joni> hmmm.. that's ... above zero C?
[14:43:56] <rayh> Found a perfect set of bobcat tracks around the garbage bin and shop.
[14:44:39] <rayh> I could even see where she had looked up at the house and stepped back and forth wondering what to do.
[14:44:45] <rayh> Must have heard us inside.
[14:45:13] <alex_joni> * alex_joni shivers
[14:45:45] <rayh> A few years ago I had a pair that I could sit on the porch and toss hot dogs to.
[14:45:56] <alex_joni> cool
[14:45:59] <rayh> Got within about 20 feet of them.
[14:46:36] <rayh> Talk about male dominance. He was. Slap her around when she got more meat than he did.
[14:46:45] <alex_joni> what would be better to mirror? Live or 2.18 ?
[14:47:19] <rayh> I'd say live but then I'm biased.
[14:47:36] <rayh> I tried yesterday to load live on a 2.2 Athalon and it was a no go.
[14:47:46] <alex_joni> hmmm.. strange
[14:50:01] <rayh> * rayh is on the phone for a bit. Rmv dtuff.
[15:00:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is away for a while
[15:04:31] <rayh> I found that 2.18 was really limited in the drivers that I could use with new hardware.
[15:05:02] <rayh> But there are many users that would be content with 2.xx and older equipment.
[15:34:57] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back
[15:35:21] <alex_joni> rayh: I plan to mirror them both, but for now I don't have the space neccessary
[16:18:11] <gezr> morning ya'll
[16:19:11] <alex_joni> morning gezr
[16:42:13] <alex_joni> hey steve
[16:43:19] <SteveStallings> hi alex, quiet today?
[16:43:31] <alex_joni> pretty
[16:43:42] <alex_joni> I downloaded 4.14, and put it on my mirror
[16:44:38] <SteveStallings> OK, I see it, thanks
[16:44:46] <alex_joni> no problem
[16:44:55] <alex_joni> I'm figuring out a way to increase the disk space
[16:45:00] <alex_joni> then I'll mirror them all
[16:45:03] <SteveStallings> what is win-emc
[16:45:12] <alex_joni> emc compiled for windoze
[16:45:51] <SteveStallings> real, or just for play
[16:47:06] <alex_joni> it's sim-only
[16:47:08] <alex_joni> but it works
[16:47:13] <alex_joni> tkemc & backplot
[16:47:21] <SteveStallings> eeeek! java!
[16:47:37] <alex_joni> nah... I put the java stuff in there, but you don't have to use it ;)
[16:47:43] <alex_joni> it's NIST's stuff
[16:47:50] <alex_joni> I compiled emcsvr too
[16:48:34] <alex_joni> and inivar for the .ini stuff
[16:49:02] <alex_joni> I did try to run freqmod on doze
[16:49:08] <alex_joni> even got it to compile & run
[16:49:20] <alex_joni> but I had problems with winxp output to parport
[16:49:33] <alex_joni> so I gave it up (didn't have the nerve to dig further)
[16:49:34] <SteveStallings> not a surprise
[16:49:46] <SteveStallings> on parport that is
[16:49:55] <alex_joni> win2k and xp need a speciall wrapper for direct io access
[16:50:08] <alex_joni> normally it's forbidden
[16:50:15] <alex_joni> and there's no ioctl() ;)
[16:50:22] <SteveStallings> all too familiar
[16:50:23] <alex_joni> or ioperm
[16:51:23] <alex_joni> how familiar are you with .nml files?
[16:51:36] <SteveStallings> not at all 8-)
[16:51:42] <alex_joni> ok ;)
[16:51:47] <SteveStallings> did you have to hack the source much?
[16:52:00] <alex_joni> more the build environment
[16:52:05] <alex_joni> dsp & dsw files
[16:52:12] <SteveStallings> MS compilers?
[16:52:17] <alex_joni> Makefiles for M$
[16:52:23] <alex_joni> I used Visual Studio 6
[16:52:30] <alex_joni> pretty old, but worked
[16:53:21] <SteveStallings> interesting, that would allow all the hooks to extend with VB right?
[16:53:31] <alex_joni> no idea :D
[16:53:35] <alex_joni> I never used VB
[16:53:44] <alex_joni> only once.. but I don't really know what I did then ;)
[16:54:22] <SteveStallings> that is one of the things that allows the rampant development in Mach2, users can access variables and write macros
[16:54:46] <alex_joni> I agree... but you need an infrastructure to use that
[16:54:56] <alex_joni> and I think there are a lot of better solutions than VB
[16:55:15] <alex_joni> the problem with emc is that it's not that flexible to add new stuff
[16:55:19] <alex_joni> especially to NML
[16:55:40] <SteveStallings> you think and I think, but Microsoft has brainwashed millions who are anxious to utilize their skills
[16:56:02] <alex_joni> well... I must admit I use M$ stuff too.. at work at least
[16:56:21] <SteveStallings> like it or not, a large user base does drive development forward
[16:56:36] <alex_joni> I wonder about development with m$ stuff...
[16:56:37] <alex_joni> ;)
[16:56:45] <alex_joni> not to mention improvement
[16:57:31] <alex_joni> anyways...
[16:57:42] <alex_joni> linux has some strong points, and some week points
[16:57:45] <SteveStallings> the bottleneck seems to be that NML must specifically be modified for each new requirement
[16:58:14] <alex_joni> and not only in one place
[16:58:37] <alex_joni> but.. then again, depends on what you need to add
[16:58:46] <SteveStallings> whereas the M$ environment simply requires the variables be "exposed"?
[16:58:50] <alex_joni> for a lot of stuff you don't need to add NML messages
[16:59:27] <alex_joni> but that depends on what you want to accomplish
[16:59:33] <SteveStallings> showing my lack of knowledge of modern high level languages 8-)
[16:59:48] <alex_joni> one thing that would be usefull is to add classicladder to emc
[17:00:06] <alex_joni> but here there are a few differential opinions
[17:00:19] <SteveStallings> 8-)
[17:00:31] <alex_joni> I'd like to see classicladder connected to hal (to modify hal-pins)
[17:00:43] <alex_joni> paul thinks it would be best to connect it through NML to emc
[17:00:54] <alex_joni> both have their pro and cons
[17:01:27] <alex_joni> if you connect it through NML you can distribute it easily (e.g. classicladder running on a different machine)
[17:01:41] <alex_joni> if you connect it through hal, you won't have to extend NML
[17:02:38] <SteveStallings> could the current EMC2 environment support multiple HALs on multiple machines?
[17:02:54] <SteveStallings> that would seem to bypass the issue
[17:03:54] <alex_joni> that would be what I thought too
[17:04:08] <alex_joni> have classicladder connected to IO stuff through HAL on one machine
[17:04:17] <alex_joni> and connect to emc through NML on another machine
[17:04:30] <alex_joni> but I don't know if this is the best thing
[17:04:38] <alex_joni> it breaks IO into pieces
[17:04:46] <alex_joni> stepping on one machine
[17:04:51] <alex_joni> limits on another
[17:04:59] <alex_joni> I think we need to discuss this more
[17:05:11] <alex_joni> maybe tomorrow, when more folks are around
[17:05:25] <alex_joni> anyways... gotta head home now
[17:05:33] <SteveStallings> well that should happen when all the principal players are available, later
[17:05:46] <alex_joni> yes
[17:05:48] <alex_joni> bye
[19:03:32] <slomo> anybody home ?
[19:35:42] <A-L-P-H-A> Anyone else ever get rayh's email labelled as spam by spam assasin? he's on a bad server or something.
[19:37:23] <cradek> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=4.5 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,
[19:37:23] <cradek> RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY,RCVD_IN_SORBS_MISC autolearn=no version=3.0.1
[19:37:38] <cradek> so, yes, but my autowhitelist and bayes more than compensate for it
[19:37:52] <cradek> if you are not using bayes and autowhitelist, you should.
[19:40:26] <slomo> had any feed back inre 4.14 problems ?
[19:40:37] <cradek> haven't heard anything about it
[19:42:05] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't run my server, and I don't know procmail, or how to setup the whitelist for freebsd.
[19:42:15] <A-L-P-H-A> my server = my mail server
[19:42:19] <slomo> just installed to this one, 800 mghz Mem: 659152896 lots of lock-ups and freezing of the system
[19:42:44] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: oh if your ISP runs SA at the MTA you're probably out of luck with bayes and AWL.
[19:43:49] <cradek> slomo: ugh.
[19:44:38] <slomo> yea, totally unuseable here
[19:44:51] <cradek> is the machien good (with another distribution)?
[19:44:53] <cradek> machine
[19:45:00] <cradek> does it freeze only when running emc?
[19:45:09] <slomo> yea, 4.08 ran excellant
[19:45:59] <slomo> no, system is very sluggish, tried running time ./emc.run, system total lock up
[19:46:25] <cradek> so it is sluggish even when emc is not running?
[19:46:41] <slomo> seems like there was lots of modules that were not unloaded on start up
[19:46:56] <slomo> there was an error, they were all busy
[19:47:22] <slomo> yes, like the refresh rate was turned waaaay down
[19:47:40] <cradek> I bet paul will be around for the meeting tomorrow
[19:48:30] <slomo> must be something with all the modules not unloading, two screen fulls doing lsmod
[19:51:29] <A-L-P-H-A> is paul_c still in seattle?
[20:21:32] <gezr> just got back from getting myself 25lbs of beads :)
[20:21:59] <gezr> how are you guys doing today?
[21:21:11] <slomo> dam power outages !
[21:40:01] <alex_joni> greetings
[23:36:34] <asdfqwega> Woo! New BDI is good!
[23:37:18] <asdfqwega> That being said, I'd like a little diagnostic help to get Axis running
[23:38:18] <asdfqwega> tkemc works, but axis pauses at one point, and does not come up until I hit Ctl-C
[23:42:06] <slomo> are using 4.14 ?
[23:42:08] <asdfqwega> Ctl-c interrupts something with tkinter
[23:43:09] <asdfqwega> Axis then comes up, but is unresponsive to F1/F2
[23:43:09] <asdfqwega> Yes
[23:44:18] <slomo> asdfqwega: any problems with the install ?
[23:45:17] <asdfqwega> I'm glancing over the axis script now, and first thing it deals with is tkinter (and some bug workarounds)
[23:46:11] <asdfqwega> No
[23:46:49] <asdfqwega> Axis displays properly (3D, can switch views) - it is not a dead window
[23:47:59] <slomo> i had problems installing, to the point that the system was not useable
[23:48:01] <asdfqwega> Just can't get out of estop
[23:48:50] <cradek> can you click the estop icon?
[23:50:51] <asdfqwega> I can click it, but nothing happens - but things seem to get a little slow for a moment
[23:51:12] <cradek> I wonder if paul tested it.
[23:51:36] <asdfqwega> Let me fire it up again - I've got tkemc at the moment
[23:51:37] <slomo> do an lsmod and see how many modules are loaded
[23:58:04] <asdfclone> inivar = plat/nonrealtime/bin/inivar
[23:58:12] <asdfclone> INIFILE = generic.ini
[23:58:12] <asdfclone> RS274NGC_PARAMFILE = generic.var
[23:58:12] <asdfclone> starting emc...
[23:58:12] <asdfclone> starting EMC MOTION PROGRAM -- freqmod...
[23:58:12] <asdfclone> IO_BASE_ADDRESS 0xc000
[23:58:13] <asdfclone> modprobe freqmod PERIOD=24000 IO_BASE_ADDRESS=0xc000 SHMEM_KEY=100
[23:58:15] <asdfclone> done
[23:58:17] <asdfclone> starting EMC IO PROGRAM -- bridgeportio...done
[23:58:19] <asdfclone> starting EMC TASK PROGRAM -- bridgeporttask...done
[23:58:21] <asdfclone> emcTaskInit: adding user-defined function programs/M101
[23:58:23] <asdfclone> running EMC DISPLAY PROGRAM -- axis...
[23:58:44] <asdfclone> this is where it sits