#emc | Logs for 2005-01-25

[00:48:10] <paul_c> Yo Steve
[00:48:26] <SteveStallings> Hi Paul
[00:49:15] <paul_c> How's the weather over your way ?
[00:50:39] <SteveStallings> A little cold for us. Expecting 10 degrees F again tonight.
[00:52:54] <paul_c> * paul_c considers having a swim in the sea this evening....
[00:57:23] <SteveStallings> Which sea?
[00:57:46] <paul_c> Pacific.
[02:18:02] <gezr> if its not one thing its another
[02:18:10] <gezr> im going in for a full rebuild
[02:57:34] <A-L-P-H-A> gezr, about that fuse thing... how much should I give? if the thing is motor and reheostat are rated for 10amps... should I go for a 10amp or what rating?
[08:55:23] <anonimasu> hello
[08:55:24] <anonimasu> :)
[08:56:24] <anonimasu> that nice little package broke my box..
[09:02:31] <A-L-P-H-A> backups?
[09:02:34] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu?
[09:02:49] <anonimasu> nope..
[09:02:54] <A-L-P-H-A> critical?
[09:02:58] <A-L-P-H-A> mission critical?
[09:03:00] <anonimasu> it autoinstalled and overwrote my grub..
[09:03:03] <anonimasu> nah
[09:03:21] <A-L-P-H-A> 'ight, so not too bad then. bad. but not BAD bad.
[09:03:22] <anonimasu> reinstalled it this morning before I went to work..
[09:03:30] <A-L-P-H-A> I haven't slept yet... it's 4am.
[09:03:31] <anonimasu> yeah..
[09:03:34] <A-L-P-H-A> been programming. :(
[09:03:43] <anonimasu> I suggest somone removes that package off the web..
[09:03:43] <anonimasu> :)
[09:03:55] <anonimasu> it booted but the screeen remained black..
[09:03:56] <A-L-P-H-A> RTAI package?
[09:04:00] <anonimasu> same as when I installed a older rtai..
[09:04:22] <A-L-P-H-A> can't help... I use the BDI when need be. :)
[09:04:29] <anonimasu> that was the BDI package..
[09:04:30] <anonimasu> :)
[09:04:46] <anonimasu> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bdi-emc/debian/kernel-image-2.4.27-adeos_bdi.100_i386.deb
[09:05:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't even know what adeos is.
[09:07:09] <anonimasu> :) Adaptive Domain Environment for Operating Systems
[09:07:18] <anonimasu> or somthing like that
[09:07:24] <A-L-P-H-A> and it does?
[09:09:49] <anonimasu> provide stuff for sharing hardware rescources..
[09:10:02] <anonimasu> To this end, Adeos enables multiple prioritized domains to exist simultaneously on the same hardware. For instance, we have successfully inserted the Adeos nanokernel beneath the Linux kernel, opening a full range of new possibilities, notably in the fields of SMP clustering, patchless kernel debugging and real-time systems for GNU/Linux.
[09:10:08] <anonimasu> off the page
[09:12:34] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm drowning.
[09:12:50] <A-L-P-H-A> oh well... I'm gonna lay down... and try to sleep.
[09:13:03] <anonimasu> ok
[09:13:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll be back around noon, probably. EST.
[09:13:07] <anonimasu> goodnight
[09:13:11] <A-L-P-H-A> later
[09:13:14] <anonimasu> I'll be working until later :)
[11:34:11] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back
[12:03:31] <anonimasu> hey alex
[12:03:32] <anonimasu> :)
[12:03:54] <alex_joni> hey anon
[12:03:58] <alex_joni> what's up?
[12:04:04] <anonimasu> working
[12:04:09] <alex_joni> coo
[12:04:13] <anonimasu> that package with the kernel broke my install..
[12:04:18] <anonimasu> overwrote my GRUB..
[12:04:28] <alex_joni> ehh.. that's fixable
[12:04:33] <anonimasu> nope..
[12:04:40] <alex_joni> you only need to boot a rescue disk
[12:04:41] <anonimasu> when the kernel booted it was all black..
[12:04:45] <alex_joni> and reinstall GRUB
[12:04:56] <anonimasu> I reinstalled it all it was quicker..
[12:06:04] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[12:06:19] <alex_joni> I don't like reinstall ;)
[12:06:30] <anonimasu> me neither..
[12:06:38] <alex_joni> I would have fixed it
[12:06:54] <anonimasu> I had 10 minutes to start a install this morning..
[12:06:54] <alex_joni> it probably crashed because you had a different partition set-up
[12:07:09] <anonimasu> it didnt crash..
[12:07:12] <anonimasu> it didnt boot :p
[12:07:26] <alex_joni> same thing
[12:07:26] <anonimasu> it woulsnt even init the screen when I booted the kernel..
[12:07:29] <alex_joni> that early in the boot
[12:07:41] <alex_joni> did you get the grub prompt?
[12:07:47] <anonimasu> it didnt show it..
[12:07:53] <alex_joni> strange
[12:07:59] <anonimasu> the package ate my grub config..
[12:08:01] <anonimasu> litterally..
[12:08:02] <alex_joni> maybe grub didn't get written
[12:08:05] <alex_joni> :P
[12:08:05] <anonimasu> and all my images..
[12:08:27] <alex_joni> that's why for such system-deep stuff I like to do it manually
[12:08:32] <alex_joni> compile kernel / rtai
[12:08:32] <anonimasu> yeah I do too..
[12:08:43] <anonimasu> but I got told to try the package..
[12:08:44] <anonimasu> heh
[12:08:49] <alex_joni> but you need to make sure you do it the proper way
[12:08:55] <anonimasu> I know..
[12:09:01] <alex_joni> you can always test stuf...
[12:09:02] <alex_joni> might not work though :D
[12:09:10] <anonimasu> yeah
[12:09:13] <anonimasu> I'll recompile it today
[12:09:22] <anonimasu> and get somone to tell me what version of adeos to use..
[12:09:25] <anonimasu> that seems to be the problem
[12:09:27] <anonimasu> and rati..
[12:09:34] <anonimasu> the 3.0p3 has some changes..
[12:09:39] <alex_joni> r3
[12:09:41] <anonimasu> that breaks apps..
[12:09:43] <anonimasu> err yeah
[12:09:48] <alex_joni> I have r3 which works
[12:09:58] <alex_joni> I also have a 24.1.13 which works
[12:10:08] <anonimasu> hm, did you modify it or if it enough to compile it with the backwards compability thing set?
[12:10:13] <alex_joni> both with 2.4.21
[12:10:29] <alex_joni> I just followed the standard ./configure, make, make install
[12:10:39] <anonimasu> thats strange :)
[12:10:48] <alex_joni> not really ;)
[12:10:48] <alex_joni> :D
[12:10:53] <anonimasu> it didnt seem like adeos would load correctly either..
[12:11:06] <alex_joni> maybe you messed up the config of the kernel
[12:11:45] <anonimasu> well, it's not like that should break adeos.. :)
[12:11:49] <alex_joni> I loaded the standard kernel-config
[12:11:52] <alex_joni> well it does
[12:12:07] <anonimasu> yeah but not totally..
[12:12:39] <anonimasu> when I tried to load the module when I had it as a module it said that the module werent compatible with my kernel..
[12:12:43] <anonimasu> :)
[12:12:46] <alex_joni> yup
[12:13:59] <anonimasu> I love documentation..
[12:14:01] <anonimasu> :)
[12:15:51] <alex_joni_> darn... my connection broke
[12:15:58] <alex_joni_> now.. where were we?
[12:15:59] <alex_joni_> ahh.. right
[12:16:09] <alex_joni_> I remember using the rthal5 patch for 24.1.13
[12:16:18] <alex_joni_> for 3.0r4 there is no rthal5 any more
[12:16:22] <alex_joni_> so you'll use adeos
[12:16:44] <alex_joni_> 3.x I mean (3.0, 3.0r1..3.0r4, 3.1)
[12:16:52] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[12:17:27] <alex_joni_> ok.. now there is an option in the kernel
[12:17:36] <alex_joni_> that you need to unset or rtai won't work
[12:17:50] <alex_joni_> it has smthg to do with module_version
[12:17:55] <anonimasu> yeah
[12:18:05] <anonimasu> set kernel_module_version_loader
[12:18:11] <alex_joni_> you need to unset it (if I remember it correctly)
[12:18:15] <anonimasu> or somthing similiar under modules..
[12:18:59] <alex_joni_> CONFIG_MODVERSIONS
[12:19:02] <alex_joni_> needs to be unset
[12:19:09] <anonimasu> yeah that's it..
[12:19:26] <anonimasu> it says that it's wrong when you try and build rtai
[12:21:05] <alex_joni_> http://www.captain.at/programming/rtai/kernel-2.4.php
[12:22:36] <alex_joni_> this is what I'd use
[12:23:35] <anonimasu> hm didnt find that :D
[12:23:36] <anonimasu> thanks
[12:23:54] <alex_joni_> I think that's what I used the last time :D
[12:24:09] <anonimasu> I didnt apply that hal patch..
[12:24:12] <anonimasu> I couldn
[12:24:19] <anonimasu> couldnt find anything about somthing like it anywhere..
[12:24:39] <alex_joni_> ahh.. let me check
[12:25:33] <anonimasu> ok
[12:26:10] <alex_joni_> I see the following in /rtai3.0r4/rtai-core/arch/i386/patches/
[12:26:52] <alex_joni_> hal12-2.4.20 (up to 25) and legacy-2.4.19 (up to 25)
[12:27:23] <anonimasu> and what kernel did you run?
[12:27:26] <anonimasu> 2.4.27
[12:27:35] <anonimasu> ?
[12:27:36] <alex_joni_> 2.4.21
[12:27:39] <anonimasu> ok
[12:27:48] <alex_joni_> I downloaded the 2.4.21 sources from kernel.org
[12:28:05] <anonimasu> yep..
[12:28:12] <alex_joni_> first I tried with the SuSE-kernel sources (but I couldn't patch those)
[12:28:41] <alex_joni_> because SuSE modified a lot in the sources ;)
[12:29:10] <anonimasu> yeah
[12:29:12] <anonimasu> :)
[12:36:49] <anonimasu> hm..
[12:37:09] <alex_joni_> what?
[12:38:56] <anonimasu> nothing..
[12:39:12] <anonimasu> let see if this works
[12:39:13] <alex_joni_> alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni
[12:40:50] <anonimasu> hm.. I guess I need to install ncurses..
[12:41:04] <alex_joni> for menuconfig?
[12:41:17] <anonimasu> yeah
[12:41:30] <alex_joni> I guess you should :D
[12:41:53] <anonimasu> but debian upgrades 241 packages that it depends on
[12:41:54] <anonimasu> :)
[12:42:02] <anonimasu> or rather that depends on it.. I think
[12:43:04] <alex_joni> lol
[12:43:04] <alex_joni> that's stupid
[12:43:04] <alex_joni> still stupid :D
[12:43:04] <alex_joni> if they depend on it.. then ncurses should have been installed
[12:43:38] <anonimasu> yeah..
[12:43:42] <anonimasu> even more stupid
[12:43:44] <anonimasu> :)
[12:43:47] <alex_joni> lol
[12:43:49] <anonimasu> xfonts100dpi
[12:43:49] <anonimasu> heh
[12:43:57] <anonimasu> how does that depend on ncurses..
[12:44:09] <anonimasu> or well, they might just upgrade that too because they think it suits..
[12:58:41] <alex_joni> darn wireless
[12:58:41] <alex_joni> I still got around 200 kB transfer rate
[12:58:55] <alex_joni> but also 50% packet loss
[13:00:08] <alex_joni> can't browse with 50% loss ...
[13:02:06] <anonimasu> :/
[13:02:43] <alex_joni> yeah... :(
[13:07:39] <asdfqwega> module freqmod not found? I'm looking at it right now!
[13:08:18] <alex_joni> where is it?
[13:08:18] <alex_joni> does the script use insmod or modprobe?
[13:08:18] <alex_joni> the .run script
[13:08:27] <alex_joni> try running -v, and see what it does
[13:08:32] <alex_joni> emc1 or emc2?
[13:09:44] <asdfqwega> paul's emc-0.0.1-11.deb
[13:10:05] <asdfqwega> and generic.run uses modprobe
[13:10:16] <alex_joni> can you look at emc.run ?
[13:10:32] <asdfqwega> And look for what?
[13:10:38] <asdfqwega> there's not much there
[13:11:01] <alex_joni> generic.run is what you're using?
[13:11:06] <alex_joni> try modprobe manually .. see if it works
[13:11:14] <asdfqwega> modprobe can't find it
[13:11:21] <alex_joni> how about insmod?
[13:12:07] <asdfqwega> It's located in /lib/modules/2.6.9-adeos/extra
[13:12:14] <asdfqwega> no go with insmod
[13:12:43] <asdfqwega> Hm, I had it (mostly) working with the last computer
[13:13:09] <alex_joni> try running depmod
[13:13:41] <asdfqwega> I've done that - I had to make an initrd.img
[13:32:15] <asdfqwega> What's perplexing is that freqmod is listed in the modules.dep file
[13:42:50] <alex_joni> very strange
[13:48:24] <asdfqwega> Well, that's enough trying to use Knoppix...I'm just to going to do a debian netinst
[13:48:54] <asdfqwega> Knoppix is interesting, but some things about it are kinda hinky
[13:49:02] <alex_joni> :)
[13:49:14] <alex_joni> still.. the module loading should work
[13:49:26] <alex_joni> did you try using insmod with the module+path?
[13:49:41] <asdfqwega> No I hadn't
[13:49:43] <alex_joni> insmod /lib/modules/2.6.9-adeos/extra/freqmod.o
[13:49:58] <alex_joni> should work, even if the module doesn't get found normally
[13:50:34] <asdfqwega> I wonder what accidentally got tromped on this time, to make that not work
[13:50:53] <alex_joni> could be a env-variable
[13:51:05] <alex_joni> I remeber there is one insmod uses for locating modules
[13:51:20] <alex_joni> if there is none defined it works
[13:51:27] <alex_joni> if you define one it looks only in that dir
[13:51:33] <asdfqwega> Heh...it's kinda hard to do an autopsy when I'm in the process of ressurecting the body :P
[13:51:34] <alex_joni> not into the default /lib/modules/...
[13:51:50] <alex_joni> I agree
[13:52:24] <asdfqwega> I'll pay attention to that next time
[13:52:32] <alex_joni> ;)
[13:52:41] <alex_joni> there are a bazillion things you need to pay attention to...
[13:53:12] <alex_joni> most of them you only learn abou twhen you break something :D
[13:53:33] <asdfqwega> Hey, I like breaking things
[13:53:59] <alex_joni> me too.. I don't like having to read two days to fix a minor thing...
[13:54:32] <asdfqwega> "Experience is the BEST teacher. That's why it shows up in a puff of smoke, a flash of light, and fireworks...and a BILL to pay afterwards."
[13:55:01] <alex_joni> lol
[13:55:37] <asdfqwega> Perhaps a parody of a certain pop song here in the US - "Who let the smoke out?"
[13:55:49] <alex_joni> yeah...
[13:56:09] <alex_joni> sounds like Al Yankovich
[13:56:55] <asdfqwega> Unfortunately, only electricians/electronics hobbyists would get it
[13:59:17] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega put Weird Al in the player
[13:59:52] <alex_joni> yeah...
[13:59:57] <alex_joni> you knwo amish paradise?
[14:00:04] <alex_joni> s/knwo/know/ ?
[14:00:36] <asdfqwega> yeah :)
[14:00:54] <asdfqwega> You know 'Alberquerque'?
[14:01:05] <alex_joni> don't think so...
[14:02:19] <asdfqwega> It's a long song, a long story, and he sums up at the end "Well, the whole point I was trying to make - I HATE SAUERKRAUT!"
[14:02:34] <alex_joni> I love sauerkraut :P
[14:03:32] <asdfqwega> Hm...I wonder how many CD's of Debain Sarge would make a complete install
[14:04:00] <alex_joni> I think 16...
[14:04:06] <alex_joni> paul downloaded them all..
[14:05:05] <asdfqwega> It takes me about 4 days to get a single .iso
[14:05:35] <alex_joni> lol
[14:06:19] <asdfqwega> I've got 3 of Sarge
[14:06:28] <alex_joni> ;)
[14:07:50] <asdfqwega> I get so tired of futzing with slow downloads, I start thinking of wardriving for some bandwidth
[14:08:16] <alex_joni> hehehe
[14:08:29] <alex_joni> yeah.. I think I got my cantenna lying around somewhere
[14:09:07] <asdfqwega> I'm just waiting for my 4' cable to show up
[14:09:15] <alex_joni> 4' ?
[14:10:13] <asdfqwega> reverse SMA to N-male pigtail?
[14:10:23] <alex_joni> that I know ;)
[14:10:42] <alex_joni> I am having a hard time making a reverse MMCX to SMA reverse pigtail
[14:11:11] <asdfqwega> I'm not familiar with MMCX
[14:11:19] <alex_joni> it's small ;)
[14:11:21] <alex_joni> very small
[14:11:42] <asdfqwega> the kind on those compact-PCI cards?
[14:12:25] <alex_joni> I have a cardbus adapter (SMC EliteConnect 2502W)
[14:12:36] <alex_joni> it's a little bigger than on those compact-PCI
[14:12:40] <alex_joni> (mini-PCI)
[14:13:41] <asdfqwega> I've seen those. They're just too small and too delicate to survive around here
[14:13:51] <alex_joni> I know...
[14:14:01] <alex_joni> but it is wonderfull for wardriving
[14:14:12] <alex_joni> use a 24 dBi antenna on your laptop ;)
[14:14:20] <alex_joni> with 200 mW power from the SMC
[14:14:41] <asdfqwega> Oh, you got one of the high-power cards
[14:14:56] <alex_joni> yup.. it was around 60$
[14:15:01] <alex_joni> worth every penny
[14:15:09] <asdfqwega> That's not wardriving, that's shooting things with a microwave deathray
[14:15:14] <alex_joni> lol
[14:15:19] <alex_joni> 200mW is not deadly
[14:15:21] <alex_joni> :D
[14:15:26] <alex_joni> you know arecibo?
[14:15:37] <asdfqwega> no
[14:15:52] <alex_joni> it's a big telescope (somewhere in south america)
[14:15:59] <alex_joni> it's actually a radio-telescope
[14:16:12] <alex_joni> they use some GW radio power output
[14:16:35] <alex_joni> on a big antenna (300 m or more, don't remember exactly)
[18:44:41] <alex_joni> an0n: any luck?
[19:00:03] <alex_joni> anybody around?
[19:24:52] <A-L-P-H-A> nope.
[19:25:22] <alex_joni> ;)
[19:35:13] <alex_joni> seems like it...
[19:44:35] <anonimasu> hello
[19:44:37] <anonimasu> alex_joni: YES!
[19:44:47] <alex_joni> works?
[19:44:50] <anonimasu> :]
[19:44:53] <anonimasu> I dont know about emc yet..
[19:45:01] <alex_joni> rtai works?
[19:45:03] <anonimasu> but I can run the latency rtai thingie..
[19:45:05] <alex_joni> that's a start
[19:45:21] <anonimasu> so I guess I just need tklib and some other things..
[19:45:58] <alex_joni> coo
[19:47:27] <anonimasu> ;)
[19:47:28] <alex_joni> so.. you're pretty close ;)
[19:47:36] <anonimasu> just need to reboot and add mouse support so I can boot X
[19:47:38] <alex_joni> darn.. my eyes hurt
[19:47:46] <anonimasu> why?
[19:47:50] <anonimasu> welding?
[19:47:54] <alex_joni> think I watched the welding spot too closely
[19:48:00] <alex_joni> yeah.. I had a class today
[19:48:11] <alex_joni> teaching 2 dudes how to weld with a robot
[19:50:14] <A-L-P-H-A> what's the rename command inlinx?
[19:50:17] <alex_joni> luckily I don't have to stare at an CRT
[19:50:18] <A-L-P-H-A> rename a file.
[19:50:26] <alex_joni> mv
[19:50:37] <A-L-P-H-A> thanks
[20:02:15] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone wanna tell me how to make this work off of .bashrc, or .bash_profile http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO.html#SAVING-COMPLEX-PROMPTS
[20:06:07] <alex_joni> alpha:
[20:06:13] <alex_joni> you need to follow those 5 steps
[20:06:18] <alex_joni> 1. go the desired dir
[20:06:31] <alex_joni> 2. open a text-editor (vim is used in the example)
[20:06:44] <alex_joni> 3. paste the script from the gray box into the file)
[20:07:02] <alex_joni> save the file under the name tonka
[20:07:16] <alex_joni> 4. import the settings from the file ('source tonka')
[20:07:37] <alex_joni> 5. execute the function tonka (for the environment)
[20:07:51] <alex_joni> 6. unset tonka (when you want to remove the function)
[20:14:45] <alex_joni> hello paul
[20:15:11] <CIA-temp508> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/emcmodule.c: File changed. New revision:
[20:15:14] <CIA-temp508> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/mill_inch_freq.ini: File changed. New revision:mill_mm_freq.ini
[20:15:24] <alex_joni> still busy I see... ;)
[20:15:25] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, I can't do step5.
[20:15:36] <alex_joni> just run 'tonka'
[20:15:42] <A-L-P-H-A> nogo
[20:15:46] <alex_joni> are you sure you are using bash?
[20:15:50] <A-L-P-H-A> or wait... did I neet to set the permission?
[20:15:56] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, 100% positive.
[20:16:23] <A-L-P-H-A> source tonka
[20:16:24] <A-L-P-H-A> : command not found
[20:16:24] <A-L-P-H-A> 'ash: tonka: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `{
[20:16:24] <A-L-P-H-A> 'ash: tonka: line 3: `function tonka {
[20:16:34] <A-L-P-H-A> I typed "source tonka"
[20:16:39] <A-L-P-H-A> the file exists.
[20:16:52] <A-L-P-H-A> I see is... and it has 0744 permission set.
[20:19:23] <alex_joni> did you copy the #!/bin/bash too?
[20:21:04] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah
[20:21:27] <alex_joni> strange... dunno :(
[20:23:31] <A-L-P-H-A> --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)--
[20:23:31] <A-L-P-H-A> --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- echo $BASH_VERSION
[20:23:31] <A-L-P-H-A> 2.05b.0(1)-release
[20:23:31] <A-L-P-H-A> --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)--
[20:23:31] <A-L-P-H-A> --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )--
[20:23:33] <A-L-P-H-A> --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)--
[20:23:33] <A-L-P-H-A> --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- echo $BASH_VERSION
[20:23:35] <A-L-P-H-A> 2.05b.0(1)-release
[20:23:37] <A-L-P-H-A> --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)--
[20:23:40] <A-L-P-H-A> --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )--
[20:24:08] <A-L-P-H-A> --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)--
[20:24:08] <A-L-P-H-A> --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- echo $BASH_VERSION
[20:24:08] <A-L-P-H-A> 2.05b.0(1)-release
[20:24:11] <A-L-P-H-A> --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)--
[20:24:11] <A-L-P-H-A> --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- echo $BASH_VERSION
[20:24:11] <A-L-P-H-A> 2.05b.0(1)-release
[20:24:13] <A-L-P-H-A> --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)--
[20:24:13] <A-L-P-H-A> --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- echo $BASH_VERSION
[20:24:15] <A-L-P-H-A> 2.05b.0(1)-release
[20:24:18] <A-L-P-H-A> --(alpha@frantic)-(/export/home/alpha)--
[20:24:18] <A-L-P-H-A> --(1526:Tue,25 Jan 05:$ )-- echo $BASH_VERSION
[20:24:20] <A-L-P-H-A> 2.05b.0(1)-release
[20:24:33] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, sorry I couldn't paste in here for some reason
[20:24:44] <A-L-P-H-A> DOH!!!! cause I was scrolled up. :( sorry.
[20:24:50] <alex_joni> I got it in here too ;)
[20:24:53] <alex_joni> no problem
[20:24:53] <alex_joni> :D
[20:26:17] <anonimasu> now lets see..
[20:27:25] <A-L-P-H-A> one EXPENSIVE knob. http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C hahaha...
[20:28:33] <anonimasu> LOL!
[20:28:43] <alex_joni> ditto
[20:28:51] <jepler> is this an analog audio thing? those guys are crazy
[20:29:35] <jepler> How can this make a difference??? Well, hearing is believing as we always say.
[20:29:40] <alex_joni> "The point here is the micro vibrations created by the volume pots and knobs find their way into the delicate signal path and cause degradation"
[20:29:43] <alex_joni> LOL
[20:29:53] <alex_joni> now this is utterly stupid
[20:30:18] <anonimasu> yep
[20:30:18] <alex_joni> I'd suggest to take the knob off when listening to music...
[20:30:29] <alex_joni> then you have no vibrations :D
[20:30:49] <jepler> on the other hand, it also sounds crazy to supercool a CCD to get less noisy images, but it happens to be true...
[20:30:57] <anonimasu> oh..
[20:31:00] <A-L-P-H-A> Someone's showing me all the stupid products they heard off the news today.
[20:31:04] <anonimasu> I
[20:31:04] <A-L-P-H-A> let me post the other links. :)
[20:31:14] <anonimasu> I'd love to watch that unit with a laser interferometer ^_^
[20:31:20] <anonimasu> and see if the knobs do vibrate
[20:31:27] <anonimasu> or resonate..
[20:31:32] <anonimasu> that should show up shouldnt it?
[20:31:36] <jepler> huh, their most expensive capacitors are only $4.50, they can't be very good.
[20:31:50] <alex_joni> I'd might find an explanation for the CCD
[20:31:50] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~33~2670224,00.html#121
[20:31:50] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.oxygenamerica.com/ProductDetails.aspx?productID=533
[20:31:50] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/1/prwebxml183943.php
[20:31:50] <A-L-P-H-A> http://ecosafe.oceancitynetwork.com/FAQS-SmogBuster.asp <-- READ the FAQ on how it works.
[20:31:53] <alex_joni> but not for the know
[20:31:56] <jepler> oh, I was looking at the wrong capacitors, here's a $110 one
[20:31:56] <alex_joni> knob
[20:32:13] <anonimasu> still not extreme..
[20:32:14] <anonimasu> :)
[20:32:52] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, a CAP only has to be so big... to give clean power.
[20:32:59] <anonimasu> yeah..
[20:33:05] <anonimasu> I know..
[20:33:27] <anonimasu> but that depends even more at the transformer..
[20:33:35] <alex_joni> I might understand the need for good cap's
[20:33:42] <A-L-P-H-A> good bridge rec needed as well.
[20:33:57] <anonimasu> all good as weigh a ton..
[20:33:59] <anonimasu> almost :)
[20:34:01] <A-L-P-H-A> AWESOME! My parts have arrived.
[20:34:20] <anonimasu> http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchan
[20:34:30] <A-L-P-H-A> well... the one I have, for my geckos/lathe supply (pictures in my gallery) weights I think 10 pounds. it's heavy.
[20:34:31] <jepler> http://www.audio-consulting.ch/silver_speaker_resistor.htm
[20:34:39] <anonimasu> lol
[20:34:44] <anonimasu> audio consultins mains transformer..
[20:34:48] <anonimasu> 1180$
[20:34:56] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm going to the store to pickup my parts. :)
[20:35:01] <A-L-P-H-A> [just a few screws]
[20:35:07] <cradek> hahaha
[20:35:14] <anonimasu> neat!
[20:35:29] <cradek> jepler: let's go into business
[20:35:59] <cradek> anyone know what C37 wood treatment is?
[20:36:06] <anonimasu> emc compiles.
[20:36:20] <alex_joni> cool anon
[20:36:22] <alex_joni> emc1?
[20:36:39] <anonimasu> emc2
[20:36:42] <anonimasu> :p
[20:37:32] <anonimasu> you know that rock solid amp at the page?
[20:37:35] <anonimasu> 6100$
[20:37:53] <anonimasu> the signature ones are 9050$
[20:38:03] <anonimasu> err with thoose knobs..
[20:38:04] <anonimasu> :D
[20:38:11] <jepler> cradek: "c37", "c37 treatment" and "c37 lacquer" seem to be mostly audiophile pages
[20:38:15] <jepler> I say we use C38.5 treatment instead
[20:38:22] <jepler> http://www.ennemoser.com/c37theoryii.html
[20:38:48] <jepler> nevermind, C38.5 would only sound good to people with fevers
[20:42:19] <anonimasu> haha
[20:42:35] <alex_joni> does it even run?
[20:42:40] <alex_joni> anon: emc2 I mean
[20:43:40] <anonimasu> nah
[20:43:45] <anonimasu> dselect ate my xlib
[20:43:56] <alex_joni> :(
[20:45:46] <anonimasu> /usr/include/tcl8.4/tk.h:96: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[20:46:20] <alex_joni> I start to like debian
[20:46:29] <anonimasu> oh, I like debian
[20:46:36] <alex_joni> *g*
[20:46:37] <anonimasu> but I HATE DSELECT. :p
[20:46:52] <anonimasu> it's the reason I stopped running debian and ran slack..
[20:47:39] <anonimasu> Upgrade to bronze heat sinks (add $1100)
[20:47:41] <anonimasu> haha
[20:47:52] <paul_c> dselect is depreciated
[20:48:00] <alex_joni> what's dselect?
[20:48:04] <anonimasu> try running it ;)
[20:48:09] <anonimasu> it's a package selection tool..
[20:48:17] <anonimasu> but it's the worst thing in the worls..
[20:48:19] <anonimasu> world..
[20:48:38] <anonimasu> it's the 10th time I've broken a ill with it..
[20:50:00] <anonimasu> a install..
[20:50:44] <anonimasu> *tar:ing the kernel sources & rtai*
[20:51:02] <anonimasu> I'll reinstall once more and never touch dselect again.
[20:52:22] <CIA-temp508> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/RELEASE_NOTES: File changed. New revision:
[20:52:23] <CIA-temp508> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/README: File changed. New revision:generic.ini
[20:52:24] <CIA-temp508> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/changelog: File changed. New revision:conffiles
[20:53:11] <acemi> try synaptic
[20:53:21] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[20:53:23] <alex_joni> night guys
[20:53:26] <anonimasu> night alex
[21:05:04] <jepler> I always use apt-get install ... and guess the package name
[21:07:15] <anonimasu> yeah... that's the right way
[21:07:16] <anonimasu> :)
[21:09:26] <jepler> except the "guess the package name" step sucsk
[21:24:41] <robin_sz> meep
[21:25:45] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[21:26:05] <A-L-P-H-A> I placed two orders... they got both orders, and notified me that the order has arrived [meaning the FIRST order arrived]
[21:26:30] <A-L-P-H-A> I have to wai till tomorrow to get the other order... and the day after to get the order I placed today.
[21:27:26] <A-L-P-H-A> so, all I got were bolts. No setscrews...
[21:27:29] <A-L-P-H-A> oh ohwell.
[21:30:22] <robin_sz> this is where a welder comes in handy :)
[21:31:56] <A-L-P-H-A> No way I'm welding this together, instead of using setscrews.
[21:33:01] <anonimasu> lol
[21:33:10] <robin_sz> ach, its just a question of choosing the right rods
[21:33:35] <anonimasu> right filler ;)
[21:33:40] <anonimasu> and the right ammount of heat..
[21:35:29] <A-L-P-H-A> Well... time to wait for the #6-40 set screws to come in.
[21:38:25] <cradek> are you not in the US?
[21:38:36] <cradek> I can find that stuff at any hardware store
[21:38:41] <cradek> well, 4-40 anyway, don't know about 6-40
[21:38:51] <A-L-P-H-A> 4-40 I have. 6-40 I don't.
[21:39:01] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm in Canada... we have both crap... metric and SAE
[21:39:07] <cradek> I spoke too soon - didn't look at the numbers
[21:40:36] <A-L-P-H-A> err 6-32 is what I needed actually
[21:40:43] <A-L-P-H-A> not 6-40. :)
[21:40:43] <cradek> ah
[21:40:46] <cradek> 6-32 is common as dirt
[21:41:06] <A-L-P-H-A> I see 4, 8, 10... . I know 5 and 6 exists... but they aren't that common.
[21:41:28] <cradek> 4, 6, 8, 10 are all common here
[21:41:41] <cradek> don't think I've seen 5
[21:41:55] <A-L-P-H-A> for some reason I notice 6 at the hardware store... [but then again I don't usually look for that]
[21:42:14] <A-L-P-H-A> oh well, I ordered them from my supplier, and they ordered it from spaneaurd [sp]... so I just gotta wait.
[21:42:37] <robin_sz> what do those numbers mean?
[21:42:43] <robin_sz> 5-40?
[21:42:45] <cradek> they're arbitrary
[21:42:51] <A-L-P-H-A> though I do like the stainless steel 4-40 x 1/4" socket head cap screws... adds a very nice decorative touch to things... makes it look more industrial. :)
[21:42:56] <cradek> 6-32 does have 32 threads per inch
[21:42:59] <robin_sz> oh, thats a handy system
[21:42:59] <cradek> but the 6 means nothing
[21:43:08] <A-L-P-H-A> yup 5-40... it's 1/8" dia. :)
[21:43:22] <robin_sz> 40 means 40 tpi?
[21:43:24] <cradek> yes
[21:43:32] <A-L-P-H-A> there's 5-40, and 5-44
[21:43:56] <A-L-P-H-A> I like metric crud better... easier to remember diameters and stuff.
[21:44:01] <A-L-P-H-A> pitch is a snap as well.
[21:44:25] <robin_sz> we only have metric here, thankfully
[21:44:50] <A-L-P-H-A> <-- idiot, and will probably smack himself later for.... but on a METRIC lathe, I'm using a mixture of Metric and SAE bolts/setscrews.
[21:44:58] <cradek> guess what size hole you drill for a 6-32 screw? .1380 inch which is about a #28 drill
[21:45:05] <robin_sz> you can still get inch stuff, but only in speciality shops for restorers of vintage cars etc
[21:45:14] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek, already did the wholes, and tapped.
[21:45:27] <cradek> no sorry, .144" = #27 drill
[21:45:31] <A-L-P-H-A> I thought I _HAD_ the setscrews... the box the lady took them out of was marked #6-40.
[21:45:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I didn't double check that they were _actually_ #6-40... they are I think #8-32.
[21:45:53] <robin_sz> #27 drill, is that 27mm
[21:45:55] <robin_sz> ??
[21:45:59] <jepler> robin_sz: no
[21:45:59] <cradek> robin_sz: haha yeah right
[21:46:05] <cradek> robin_sz: it's another arbitrary number
[21:46:07] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz, YEAH... start drilling. :)
[21:46:14] <jepler> unless by coincidence
[21:46:19] <A-L-P-H-A> it's wireguage numbers.
[21:46:34] <jepler> #24 may be .1440" according to a table
[21:46:38] <robin_sz> I dont think we have those over here either
[21:46:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I have the chart above my monitors, and another one on the wall behind me.
[21:46:47] <cradek> robin_sz: the drill sizes for common bolts are 27, 18, 9, 2, F, P, W, 29/64
[21:46:50] <A-L-P-H-A> and another chart on the freezer that is in the same room as the lathe and mill.
[21:47:06] <cradek> ... 33/64, 37/64, etc.
[21:47:13] <robin_sz> letters? as well as numbers?
[21:47:18] <cradek> yes
[21:47:37] <jepler> http://www.mhatt.aps.anl.gov/dohn/ref_exp_sci/
[21:47:40] <robin_sz> we 100% certainly dont have those
[21:47:58] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.evergreen.edu/biophysics/technotes/fabric/number.htm
[21:48:02] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.evergreen.edu/biophysics/technotes/fabric/fraction.htm
[21:48:07] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.evergreen.edu/biophysics/technotes/fabric/metric.htm
[21:48:37] <A-L-P-H-A> yikes... there's such thing as a M1x0.2 and M1x0.25 bolt/screw??
[21:48:41] <cradek> robin_sz: lucky you
[21:49:35] <A-L-P-H-A> hey! can you even buy fractional drill bits in Europe? [It's near impossible to buy metric bits here]
[21:49:54] <A-L-P-H-A> here being North America, specifically Canada.
[21:50:05] <cradek> you can probably get close enough for tapping with either drills
[21:50:21] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek, yeah. you can.
[21:50:26] <robin_sz> in the metric chart, what are those 'dec equiv' columns?
[21:50:31] <cradek> strangely I can find metric taps and dies more easily than metric drills
[21:50:34] <cradek> robin_sz: decimal inches
[21:50:40] <cradek> robin_sz: (thousandths)
[21:50:43] <robin_sz> ahh.
[21:50:52] <robin_sz> tenths actully
[21:51:36] <robin_sz> but yeah, ok bits of inches
[21:51:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I have a chart that gives me the decimal inches in ten-thousandths. 0.0001" I find that funny, cause I can't measure that.
[21:52:16] <cradek> I can easily measure .0005
[21:52:22] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[21:52:28] <cradek> any dial indicator can do that
[21:52:44] <cradek> (well, maybe not any)
[21:52:51] <robin_sz> any mic
[21:52:58] <cradek> oh easily
[21:53:11] <cradek> unless you clamp wood with it
[21:53:31] <robin_sz> you mean they dont double up as C clamps?
[21:53:42] <A-L-P-H-A> my digital micrometer can measure it to 0.0005" But I don't believe that made in China or made in India eletronics... I give the measurement a +/- 0.002 from the measurement it gave me.
[21:53:51] <cradek> robin_sz: only for small gluing jobs
[21:54:10] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: digital micrometer? didn't know they exist
[21:55:15] <jepler> http://www.amback.com/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductID=49430
[21:55:41] <jepler> '''Accuracy: .0001"'''
[21:55:57] <A-L-P-H-A> digital micrometers and calipers... both exist.
[21:56:06] <robin_sz> and dtis
[21:56:07] <A-L-P-H-A> btw... I meant caliper...
[21:56:26] <robin_sz> funny how people still call them veriers
[21:56:29] <A-L-P-H-A> but micrometers exist... mituoyo makes them, and sells for for a bundle.
[21:56:38] <robin_sz> wow ...
[21:56:50] <robin_sz> * robin_sz discovers new simplicity about metric threads
[21:56:54] <A-L-P-H-A> I thought veriers were umm... like compasses like dividers formaps.
[21:57:03] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz?
[21:57:10] <robin_sz> verier=>caliper in thr UK
[21:57:26] <robin_sz> tapping drill = od - pitch
[21:57:36] <A-L-P-H-A> REALLY? that's it?
[21:57:49] <robin_sz> so .. 10mm x 1.50 taps with 8.5
[21:57:51] <robin_sz> yep
[21:58:02] <A-L-P-H-A> so, M8x1.25 = 8 - 1.25 = 6.75mm drill?
[21:58:24] <robin_sz> yeah,
[21:58:30] <A-L-P-H-A> HELL... that makes my life so much easier.
[21:58:32] <robin_sz> or 6.8 is nearest
[21:59:08] <A-L-P-H-A> so... I guess I'll just get a box of metric drills. :) Wonder how much they'll cost here in Canada.
[21:59:17] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz, how much does a box set cost where you live?
[21:59:39] <robin_sz> drills in 0.5 increments ... 1 to 12mm ...
[21:59:54] <robin_sz> normal 20GBP
[22:00:03] <robin_sz> crap 10 GBP
[22:00:15] <robin_sz> decent ... well, name it :)
[22:00:40] <robin_sz> chinese muck for 10 or less
[22:00:58] <A-L-P-H-A> mcmaster.com part 3085A11 ouch... $363.27 USD 1 to 13 x 0.1mm
[22:01:13] <robin_sz> in 0.1 increments?
[22:01:44] <A-L-P-H-A> 20 x 2.30329 = $46CDN... that's not too bad.
[22:02:21] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, about $3/bit from that kit.
[22:03:49] <A-L-P-H-A> damn it. . . FF keeps crashing on me.
[22:04:15] <gezr> A-L-P-H-A : I think mscdirect.com has a sale on drills right now, let me check something
[22:04:52] <gezr> hmm
[22:05:23] <gezr> they have a greenfield tap and drill set 9 taps and 9 drills for 84
[22:06:08] <gezr> i dont have a metric set listed in my flier
[22:06:21] <gezr> and hello guys, how are ya'll doing today?
[22:06:38] <A-L-P-H-A> McMaster.com isn't too bad, as shipping is usually $8.00 CDN... and no brokerage.
[22:06:43] <A-L-P-H-A> hi gezr.
[22:07:01] <gezr> mcmaster mscdirect they are competetors
[22:08:00] <robin_sz> I tend to buy boxes of 10 drills in the sizes I use, M6 tap and clear, m8 tap and clear, M10 tap and clear ...
[22:09:21] <robin_sz> typically �2 a drill
[22:09:46] <robin_sz> bet thats mainly because I cant sharpen the damn things !!
[22:10:02] <robin_sz> * robin_sz would love a grinding jig
[22:10:13] <robin_sz> actually, wait
[22:10:36] <robin_sz> lets change that to "Iused to buy .." .. I havent bought any drills in months
[22:10:49] <robin_sz> but I do have a lot of unused ones in red boxes now
[22:10:58] <robin_sz> the laser drills all the holes :)
[22:15:54] <anonimasu> ;D
[22:21:25] <A-L-P-H-A> I want a laser machine.
[22:21:28] <A-L-P-H-A> man.
[22:21:35] <A-L-P-H-A> always someone having something you want more.
[22:25:54] <anonimasu> :D
[22:25:56] <anonimasu> I want a big cnc mill..
[22:26:03] <jepler> big like the size of the moon!
[22:26:13] <anonimasu> that will hold +/- 0.0001mm
[22:26:26] <jepler> X travel 3000km
[22:26:33] <anonimasu> with temperature control..
[22:26:41] <A-L-P-H-A> hahah
[22:26:53] <jepler> Z travel 380,000km
[22:28:31] <A-L-P-H-A> per second?? faster than speed of light?
[22:28:36] <anonimasu> rapids like 100km/s
[22:29:03] <A-L-P-H-A> all I want is my bash to load my prompt setting.
[22:29:06] <A-L-P-H-A> I got it to do something.
[22:29:28] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: lol
[22:29:33] <A-L-P-H-A> I got something...
[22:29:34] <gezr> A-L-P-H-A : did you type in bash after you changed .bashrc?
[22:29:38] <anonimasu> PS1=(somthing)
[22:30:08] <anonimasu> nm..
[22:30:11] <anonimasu> * anonimasu was being stupid
[22:30:17] <A-L-P-H-A> --(1732:Tue,25 Jan 05:$)-- more .bashrc
[22:30:17] <A-L-P-H-A> source tonka2
[22:30:17] <A-L-P-H-A> tonka2
[22:30:17] <A-L-P-H-A> unset tonka2
[22:30:17] <A-L-P-H-A> --(alpha@frantic)-(/home/alpha)--
[22:30:18] <A-L-P-H-A> --(1732:Tue,25 Jan 05:$)-- source .bashrc
[22:30:20] <A-L-P-H-A> works!!!
[22:30:29] <A-L-P-H-A> now... why isn't is loading on default though?
[22:30:42] <A-L-P-H-A> OH!!!
[22:31:09] <A-L-P-H-A> YES!
[22:31:10] <A-L-P-H-A> works.
[22:31:16] <anonimasu> :p
[22:31:25] <A-L-P-H-A> echo "source \~/.bashrc">.bash_profile
[22:31:40] <A-L-P-H-A> forgot the word source.
[22:32:23] <A-L-P-H-A> Should I have bash starting up from ~/.login? or ~/.profile?
[22:33:24] <anonimasu> eh?
[22:33:35] <anonimasu> wouldnt you start bash from your password file..
[22:33:48] <anonimasu> usually.. at login
[22:34:00] <anonimasu> chsh <username>
[22:34:14] <anonimasu> just make sure /bin/bash(whatever) is in /etc/shells
[22:34:39] <gezr> passwd sets the shell if its bash then bash will read .bash_profile and if that has a line to read .bashrc that will then happen
[22:38:11] <gezr> it may also read /etc/profile too, I cant remember
[22:40:02] <A-L-P-H-A> Got it! :)
[22:40:13] <A-L-P-H-A> finally, a nice, usable shell.
[22:40:17] <A-L-P-H-A> BASH! with tab complete. :)
[22:41:00] <anonimasu> gezr: it does..
[22:41:16] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is in love with zsh
[22:41:44] <A-L-P-H-A> zsh?
[22:41:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I just learned about BASH today.
[22:41:51] <A-L-P-H-A> man.
[22:42:22] <A-L-P-H-A> zsh is not installed on the server.
[22:42:23] <A-L-P-H-A> so no go.
[22:42:24] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[22:42:38] <anonimasu> zsh is neat..
[22:42:53] <anonimasu> it is more programable.. :)
[22:43:26] <anonimasu> I used to have it so it completed parameters from makefiles way back..
[22:43:30] <anonimasu> but I cant remember how i did it..
[22:43:36] <anonimasu> err makefiles/configure scripts..
[22:49:24] <CIA-temp508> 03zwisk 07halrefactor-0-1 * 10emc2/src/hal/ (hal_cmds.c hal_ioctl.c hal_ioctl.h hal_refactor.c):
[22:49:24] <CIA-temp508> halcmd show signals is now working through ioctl
[22:49:24] <CIA-temp508> Still lots and lots of broken stuff
[22:50:44] <A-L-P-H-A> man... my hands are so dry, I'm getting easily cut. last 5 days, I've gotten like 7 cuts.
[22:56:22] <paul_c> * paul_c hands A-L-P-H-A a box of sticky plasters (Band Aids)..
[22:56:52] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: maybe you should use some lotion or somthing
[22:56:55] <gezr> hahaha
[22:58:12] <gezr> ill probably get to test my skills with things in the near future with a hurco mill emc retrofit and a myano lathe the same :)
[22:58:26] <anonimasu> :)
[22:58:28] <anonimasu> nice
[22:58:42] <gezr> they arnt mine but my friends, that should be a heck of time :)
[22:58:43] <anonimasu> if this works Ill try emc for the first time tomorrow
[22:59:03] <gezr> the lathe i think were gonna just work on getting the fanuc o-t working again,
[22:59:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm seriously contemplating of buying a 12x19 lathe from like Harbour Frieghts (US) equivalent [Busy Bee Tools] in Canada... it's $1.2KCDN when on sale.
[22:59:42] <gezr> its a wicked little machine, he bought it from the shop I used to work for, 7.5hp main spindle, hydraulic tailstock, indexable turret
[23:00:06] <anonimasu> bring your micrometer :) when looking at it
[23:00:08] <gezr> A-L-P-H-A : check to see what grizzly offers
[23:00:19] <anonimasu> * anonimasu dosent trust cheap machines anymore
[23:00:22] <A-L-P-H-A> same crap, rebadged. :)
[23:00:23] <gezr> if you havent heard of them
[23:00:35] <anonimasu> my lathe is crap.
[23:00:35] <A-L-P-H-A> it's just the bigger brother of the 7x10 lathes.
[23:00:39] <anonimasu> :D
[23:00:57] <gezr> my dream new lathe would be a myford super7
[23:01:33] <A-L-P-H-A> My dream lathe would be a new Shaublin 102N with the works. :) [for a manual lathe]
[23:02:05] <A-L-P-H-A> And a nice CNC lathe centre for production work [which I don't do] [at least something with a barfeed!]
[23:02:24] <anonimasu> I wouldnt mind have a lathe like that for hobby
[23:02:28] <A-L-P-H-A> you know... I'd like to see someone's home made barfeed...
[23:02:36] <gezr> Ive used huge barfeeders
[23:02:41] <anonimasu> hm, barfeeding isnt all that hard :)
[23:03:12] <A-L-P-H-A> well... then again, my stock only has space for 20mm.... so it's kinda puny.
[23:03:18] <gezr> its easier or just as effective to have a spindle liner, and use a bar length the lenght of the spindle and use a spring type clamp puller
[23:03:24] <A-L-P-H-A> head stock
[23:05:13] <anonimasu> :)
[23:05:32] <anonimasu> but well, I have mo use for a barfeeder..
[23:05:45] <anonimasu> but I wish I had
[23:06:24] <A-L-P-H-A> I did have a use for a barfeeder... but I stopped making the item cause the market got flooded by stupid people.
[23:06:34] <anonimasu> :/
[23:06:39] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe I'll start making beachwood volume knobs. haahhaa
[23:06:44] <anonimasu> lol
[23:07:17] <anonimasu> thats what I am going to do when I retire..
[23:08:03] <A-L-P-H-A> http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Past%20Machining%20Projects/2004-03-04_Ice%20Wheel/ I made this last year... the sillyness of the projects I've done.
[23:08:17] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a mousewheel for an LED to be placed inside. :)
[23:08:39] <anonimasu> I cant watch it now since I have no browser.. sorry :/
[23:08:45] <anonimasu> ill look at it in a bit
[23:09:36] <A-L-P-H-A> well... since I can't do anything... I might as well make something fun. :)
[23:09:52] <A-L-P-H-A> and try and figure out how I can adjust the backlash on lathe.
[23:19:38] <anonimasu> :)
[23:22:12] <A-L-P-H-A> I HATE CHEAP TOOLS!
[23:22:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I just snapped a ballpoint allenkey inside the blood backlash adjustment nut.
[23:22:53] <A-L-P-H-A> with some quick thinking...
[23:23:36] <A-L-P-H-A> whack the ball a few times to loosen it... and a magnet and a mild steel 1/8" shaft/wire to pocket and magnet it out.
[23:23:42] <A-L-P-H-A> cheap tools SUCK.
[23:23:45] <anonimasu> oh ball..
[23:23:55] <anonimasu> * anonimasu usually takes the ball off first
[23:24:03] <anonimasu> but well, you have good tools if they snap..
[23:24:08] <anonimasu> bad tools bend :)
[23:24:15] <A-L-P-H-A> I like the ball.. .cause it can get into places where they are hard to fit
[23:24:43] <A-L-P-H-A> well... time to measure
[23:24:59] <anonimasu> ok
[23:25:07] <anonimasu> yeah the ball are nice
[23:25:19] <gezr> the ball is meant to snap off
[23:25:26] <gezr> on a good tool
[23:25:53] <anonimasu> cheap tools go ~
[23:25:53] <anonimasu> hehe
[23:26:18] <anonimasu> the guys at work wear out tools :) pretty quickly
[23:26:24] <anonimasu> thats how I know
[23:26:47] <anonimasu> *yawns
[23:26:54] <anonimasu> getting package 209 now