#emc | Logs for 2005-01-22

[00:14:19] <A-L-P-H-A> `done
[00:14:33] <A-L-P-H-A> that took 40 minutes... though I did wash the parts too.
[00:14:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is slowly getting tired
[00:15:30] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, what timezone?
[00:16:06] <alex_joni> GMT+2
[00:18:47] <A-L-P-H-A> fun... so it's like 0218h for you. :)
[00:19:00] <alex_joni> yup
[00:20:23] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm beginning to realize that overclocking my AMD athalon CPU has some strange consequences... the system time is always drifting faster.
[00:20:32] <A-L-P-H-A> like every two days it's off by 30 seconds.
[00:20:35] <alex_joni> really?
[00:20:51] <alex_joni> strange... it shouldn't do that
[00:20:53] <A-L-P-H-A> seems like it. My laptop, [not overclocked, intel] holds it time very well.
[00:20:58] <alex_joni> the clock is on an RTC
[00:21:01] <A-L-P-H-A> well... it does... and I don't know why.
[00:21:08] <alex_joni> that works even when powered down
[00:21:12] <alex_joni> ;)
[00:21:15] <A-L-P-H-A> My system doesn't shut down.
[00:21:16] <A-L-P-H-A> Time: 19:21:20 -0500 GMT, Windows XP Professional, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), AMD XP 2800+ running at (1-AMD , 2123MHz, 512KB (12% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 612/1024MB (59.77%), C: 59.84gb of 75.42gb free, D: 21.9gb of 39.05gb free, E: 142.68gb of 372.62gb free, Current Uptime: 1wk 7hrs 47mins 27secs, Record Uptime: 3wks 6hrs 56mins 16secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
[00:21:52] <alex_joni> where did you take this from?
[00:22:08] <alex_joni> I mean what program/command?
[00:22:11] <A-L-P-H-A> take which? that's moo.dll for mirc. with my own script.
[00:22:28] <A-L-P-H-A> some of it is hardcoded. :)
[00:22:34] <A-L-P-H-A> like the monitor description. :)
[00:23:22] <alex_joni> coo
[00:23:33] <A-L-P-H-A> If you want it, just ask.
[00:23:50] <alex_joni> think it would be usefull :D
[00:26:19] <robin_sz> * robin_sz searches boxen for decent uptimes
[00:26:31] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, dcc?
[00:26:34] <A-L-P-H-A> 'ight
[00:26:36] <A-L-P-H-A> nm. :)
[00:26:47] <alex_joni> my best was around 280 days
[00:26:56] <robin_sz> hmmm, nothing over a year at the moment
[00:27:05] <robin_sz> [robin@quacky robin]$ uptime
[00:27:05] <robin_sz> 12:26am up 311 days, 8:10, 1 user, load average: 1.49, 2.00, 1.92
[00:27:08] <alex_joni> me neither ;)
[00:27:12] <robin_sz> best I can do right now
[00:27:21] <alex_joni> had some power outages lately (some long ones)
[00:27:27] <alex_joni> coo
[00:27:44] <A-L-P-H-A> UPS is good for me... I had lots of little brownouts... now sure if they would have shut my computer down or not... but they did stay up.
[00:27:57] <robin_sz> yeah we luurrrrvv ups
[00:28:02] <A-L-P-H-A> there were one or two blackouts... but my ups saved me.
[00:28:10] <alex_joni> me loves ups too
[00:29:41] <alex_joni> don't seem to have a variables.txt
[00:30:08] <A-L-P-H-A> nono.
[00:30:23] <A-L-P-H-A> those are the within the menus when you hit alt-r.
[00:30:33] <A-L-P-H-A> see the aliases and varibles tabs?
[00:30:44] <alex_joni> yup
[00:30:58] <A-L-P-H-A> the contents of those files go into those corresponding places. just cut and paste. :)
[00:31:27] <alex_joni> and the dll?
[00:31:34] <A-L-P-H-A> same folder as mirc.exe
[00:31:50] <alex_joni> ok
[00:31:55] <alex_joni> then just F9 I guess
[00:32:00] <A-L-P-H-A> :) yup
[00:32:06] <A-L-P-H-A> edit whatever variables/text you desire.
[00:32:12] <alex_joni> * Identifier locked in options dialog: $dll (line 28, aliases.ini)
[00:34:03] <A-L-P-H-A> did you put the %uptimerec in Variables?
[00:34:31] <alex_joni> yes
[00:34:50] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... strange. it's worked for everyone else I've given the script to.
[00:35:03] <A-L-P-H-A> what's on line28?
[00:35:48] <alex_joni> Record uptime: ....
[00:36:21] <A-L-P-H-A> comment out that line with a ; at the bginning of it... and see what happens.
[00:36:52] <A-L-P-H-A> are you sure you put the "$uptimerec 0" in Variables?
[00:37:17] <alex_joni> it's %uptimerec
[00:37:22] <alex_joni> in Variables
[00:37:27] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah. % sorry
[00:37:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I so used to php.
[00:40:43] <alex_joni> Time: 02:40:43 +0200 GMT, Current Uptime: 2days 17hrs 6mins 37secs, Record Uptime: 2days 17hrs 6mins 37secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
[00:40:56] <alex_joni> I did take out a few ;D
[00:41:07] <A-L-P-H-A> Oh... you're HDs. :) I forgot. heh.
[00:41:24] <alex_joni> not the HDs
[00:41:33] <A-L-P-H-A> what was wrong?
[00:42:33] <alex_joni> I think all the dll stuff
[00:42:37] <alex_joni> is not working
[00:43:03] <alex_joni> I had dll locked out
[00:43:06] <alex_joni> ;)
[00:43:15] <alex_joni> Tools->Options->Lock
[00:44:36] <alex_joni> Time: 02:43:34 +0200 GMT, Windows XP Home Edition, Service Pack 2 (5.1 - 2600), AMD XP 2800+ running at (1-Intel , 599MHz, 0KB (0% Load)), DDR400 RAM Usage: 246/503MB (48.91%), C: 8.42gb of 37.25gb free, Current Uptime: 2days 17hrs 10mins 29secs, Record Uptime: 2days 17hrs 9mins 29secs, 3 Samsung 19" flat monitors (1 Trinitron, 2 CRT).
[00:46:44] <robin_sz> * robin_sz points out that a trinitron *IS* a crt
[00:47:34] <alex_joni> nope
[00:47:38] <anonimasu> :)
[00:47:40] <robin_sz> yep
[00:47:41] <alex_joni> ohh.. yes
[00:47:48] <alex_joni> not my setup
[00:47:54] <alex_joni> I have 1 TFT
[00:47:58] <alex_joni> 15 ''
[00:48:02] <alex_joni> on my laptop
[00:48:12] <alex_joni> and one giant 21'' ancient Trinitron
[00:48:16] <alex_joni> ;)
[00:48:32] <anonimasu> :)
[00:48:40] <anonimasu> tft's nice for the eyes
[00:48:48] <robin_sz> yeah
[00:48:52] <alex_joni> you can't mistake it for beeing anything else than a CRT
[00:48:57] <alex_joni> @ 45 kg
[00:49:00] <alex_joni> :D
[00:49:01] <robin_sz> heh
[00:49:02] <anonimasu> crt's gleam like hell :/
[00:49:13] <robin_sz> I dislike the wires on trintron crts
[00:49:25] <robin_sz> the horizontal ones ..
[00:49:29] <alex_joni> you can barely see them on mine
[00:49:43] <alex_joni> * alex_joni knows the wires robin is talking about ;)
[00:49:48] <robin_sz> I always notice them for some reason
[00:49:54] <alex_joni> but hey
[00:50:08] <alex_joni> it's a 21'' placed about 3m from where I'm sitting
[00:50:13] <alex_joni> ;)
[00:50:17] <robin_sz> you know why they are there?
[00:50:26] <alex_joni> my vision is good, but not that good to see the wire
[00:50:40] <alex_joni> something about picture ...
[00:51:02] <robin_sz> normal TV mask is a sheet full of holes in a trangle pattern
[00:51:09] <robin_sz> => stable
[00:51:21] <robin_sz> trinitron is verticle slots
[00:51:45] <robin_sz> the wires are welded to all the slots, stops them waving about and distorting
[00:52:05] <alex_joni> coo
[00:52:47] <anonimasu> :)
[00:52:58] <anonimasu> I am lucky not to work as a welder wherever they make thoose.
[00:53:35] <alex_joni> don't think those are made manually
[00:53:54] <anonimasu> just kidding
[00:54:30] <alex_joni> although... my company sold some spot welders for a resistors factory lately
[00:54:34] <alex_joni> ;)
[00:54:48] <anonimasu> lol
[00:55:18] <robin_sz> yesterday was resistor ordering day again ..
[00:55:28] <robin_sz> another batch of 100,000 :)
[00:55:43] <alex_joni> how many pounds?
[00:55:46] <alex_joni> :D
[00:55:56] <robin_sz> cost or weight?
[00:56:07] <alex_joni> weight :D
[00:56:19] <robin_sz> oh, not many ... 5 maybe?
[00:56:32] <robin_sz> 2kg
[00:56:50] <alex_joni> ;)
[00:56:53] <alex_joni> SMD?
[00:56:58] <robin_sz> uh huh
[00:57:10] <alex_joni> that's a lot :P
[00:57:31] <robin_sz> 2 months worth
[00:59:31] <robin_sz> 0.0014 pence each I think :)
[00:59:45] <robin_sz> no punds
[00:59:53] <robin_sz> 0.14 pence each
[00:59:57] <robin_sz> thats better
[01:02:09] <robin_sz> I am *so* glad its not me that has to assemble the damn things ...
[01:02:30] <robin_sz> id go mad after 100, never mind 100K
[01:14:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed...
[01:14:45] <alex_joni> see you guys later today ;)
[01:15:07] <anonimasu> laters
[01:16:02] <alex_joni> I'll wait for some downloads to finish
[01:19:27] <alex_joni> robin: how's the plasma-table selling?
[01:23:24] <A-L-P-H-A> ouch... cut myself on my part... I needed to break apart a cut I had... and it broke, but also cut me. Stupid part.
[01:23:50] <alex_joni> ouchy
[01:25:17] <anonimasu> :(
[01:25:52] <A-L-P-H-A> it's like a paper cut that won't stop bleeding... it's just right between the last knuckle, and the fingernail... where just a mm or two below the cuticle.
[01:26:07] <alex_joni> bummer
[01:26:26] <A-L-P-H-A> bandage seem to do the trick.
[01:26:34] <A-L-P-H-A> horray for sports tape. :)
[01:26:52] <A-L-P-H-A> well... the bracket is almost done as well. :) hehehe.
[01:28:54] <alex_joni> night
[01:28:58] <A-L-P-H-A> later.
[03:26:25] <asdfqwega> anyone about?
[03:27:28] <asdfqwega> Hm.
[03:28:16] <asdfqwega> I really must put a Post-it-note here on the screen with the "hours" I expect people to be here
[03:28:36] <asdfqwega> Sometimes it's hard being a midnight freak
[03:47:59] <gezr> im sorta around
[03:48:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm here.
[03:48:30] <gezr> working on the bike parts, I just found out i have a very serious issue with my water/oil pump
[03:48:38] <A-L-P-H-A> :( shibby
[03:49:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I think this is going to be interesting... as I don't know exactly where to drill yet.
[04:53:30] <asdfqwega> gezr: Well, I don't know if you'd be able to answer my question
[04:53:51] <asdfqwega> I'm using the new emc stuff paul's been compiling
[04:54:00] <A-L-P-H-A> if you asked your question... we might be able to better know. :)
[04:54:12] <asdfqwega> and this means that I'm finally going to have to add home/limit switches
[04:54:17] <gezr> ask by all means
[04:54:20] <asdfqwega> (long overdue)
[04:54:38] <A-L-P-H-A> ohoh! What do you people use for repeatable home switches?
[04:54:59] <gezr> servos with encoders with an index pulse
[04:55:06] <gezr> I dont know much about all that
[04:55:08] <asdfqwega> To simplify things, I was going to make either the +/- limits do double duty as home
[04:55:21] <A-L-P-H-A> asdfqwega, lots of people do.
[04:55:31] <gezr> I dont know how they do it
[04:55:38] <asdfqwega> I was curious as to the current logic used in the homing
[04:55:50] <gezr> I dont know
[04:55:52] <A-L-P-H-A> if home then homed? :) hehehehehe
[04:55:54] <A-L-P-H-A> hahahaha
[04:56:09] <A-L-P-H-A> sorry, I thought it was halarious... maybe cause I'm just an idiot.
[04:56:12] <gezr> it faries from situation to situation
[04:56:18] <gezr> varies
[04:56:43] <asdfqwega> If you could still trip the limits while homing - otherwise I'd have to make a manual switch to turn off the limits while homing
[04:56:45] <A-L-P-H-A> some people have a limit switch before, or after... and an optical limit switch for home.
[04:57:15] <A-L-P-H-A> limit ----------- limit ---- home or limit ------- home ------- limit
[04:57:34] <gezr> ------------home-------limit
[04:57:45] <A-L-P-H-A> where's the other limit? :)
[04:57:48] <A-L-P-H-A> should have two...
[04:57:50] <gezr> accually, limit---------------limit----home
[04:57:53] <gezr> my bad
[04:57:53] <asdfqwega> It fell off?
[04:58:01] <A-L-P-H-A> hehe
[04:58:27] <gezr> eot----limit---------------------limit--home----eot
[04:58:39] <gezr> eot end of travel
[04:58:42] <A-L-P-H-A> man... I'm dreading drilling the set screw holes in the stainless steel coupling I made.
[04:58:59] <A-L-P-H-A> some people have it like this...
[04:59:19] <A-L-P-H-A> eot --- limit ------- home --- ZERO point --- home ------- limit --- eot
[04:59:38] <A-L-P-H-A> where it's a measured and thus known distance between the two home switches.
[04:59:49] <A-L-P-H-A> so they use that are teh Zero point.
[05:00:10] <gezr> I dont like that at all
[05:00:23] <asdfqwega> Well, that'd be nice, Alpha, but that kinda in the opposite direction I'm aiming
[05:00:49] <A-L-P-H-A> I currently don't even have switches...
[05:01:00] <gezr> asdfqwega : here is the catcher, unless you have a i/o card you cant really have that many inputs
[05:01:08] <A-L-P-H-A> I have a hardstop on my ways on my lathe... so they won't hit the chuck.
[05:01:18] <A-L-P-H-A> [which I've done before] [magic sparks everywhere]
[05:01:33] <asdfqwega> gezr: I know how EMC works - common mode switches, and home one axis at a time
[05:01:51] <gezr> I dont know how its able to be done
[05:02:19] <gezr> there is only one way to keep it always the same at power on , and thats with an encoder with an index pulse
[05:02:31] <asdfqwega> Hm...I'm going to have to use microswitches for the limits, and rig up something else for optical home
[05:03:02] <asdfqwega> I'm using steppers, so no index pulse :P
[05:03:05] <gezr> thats probably just as accurate
[05:03:25] <gezr> you know, I just dont know how its done, you can try different combos
[05:04:46] <A-L-P-H-A> attempting to drill stainless steel now... 1.) centre drill. 2.) drill to size. 3.) tap.
[05:04:59] <asdfqwega> I've got the optical sensors - just needs to make up the circuits for power, etc
[05:05:06] <asdfqwega> And that's the bit of work I wanted to avoid - I'm out of proto-PCB stuff, and I don't want to wait for stores opening or shipping for parts
[05:05:21] <asdfqwega> Alpha: Perpendicular into a round?
[05:05:35] <asdfqwega> Or somewhat tangential?
[05:07:22] <asdfqwega> I hate trying to drill small holes off-center on a round for clamp/couplings...
[05:37:56] <gezr> good night you guys
[05:38:23] <gezr> off-center you spot first with an endmill :)
[05:38:34] <gezr> one thats centercutting of course
[05:38:49] <gezr> I got to sleep now
[06:20:18] <A-L-P-H-A> asdfqwega, I got it.
[06:21:08] <A-L-P-H-A> Except the set screws someone gave me, said they were 6-32. They were mistaken. They're like 10-24, or something silly. So now I gotta order TWO 6/32 setscrews hehe. GREAT! That'll have to wait till month.
[06:21:35] <A-L-P-H-A> Yes I could drill and tap them again, but I'm not going to. If I do, I run the risk of breaking a tap in the part, or a drill or whatever.
[06:21:54] <A-L-P-H-A> And I got good at sharpening drills. :) What you learn when you're forced to.
[10:36:44] <anonimasu> good morning
[14:12:45] <alex_joni> greetings
[14:21:26] <anonimasu> hello
[14:21:26] <anonimasu> :)
[14:21:33] <anonimasu> I just grabbed a new version of emc off cvs..
[14:21:40] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[14:21:43] <alex_joni> and?
[14:21:50] <anonimasu> I havent had a change to try it out yet
[14:21:58] <anonimasu> but I changed the computer and the bug's still there
[14:22:23] <anonimasu> do you know if the bug was with the kernel paralell port drive?
[14:22:28] <anonimasu> driver or within emc?
[14:22:59] <anonimasu> freqmod.. :)
[14:23:55] <alex_joni> afaik freqmod doesn't use a driver to output to parport
[14:24:02] <alex_joni> it does that directly
[14:24:04] <anonimasu> ah ok..
[14:24:07] <alex_joni> lemme check
[14:24:13] <anonimasu> ok
[14:24:28] <alex_joni> nah .. that's bull ;)
[14:24:37] <alex_joni> it does output to a parport "driver"
[14:24:42] <anonimasu> I wanted to know since I am going to burn the cvs to a cd..
[14:24:43] <anonimasu> :)(
[14:24:45] <alex_joni> but the driver only does some outb's
[14:24:48] <anonimasu> for moving it out
[14:25:29] <alex_joni> I suggest you compile on a fast machine ;)
[14:25:34] <anonimasu> emc?
[14:25:35] <anonimasu> heh
[14:25:38] <alex_joni> if you have the same kernel/stuff installed
[14:25:44] <alex_joni> emc/rcslib
[14:25:44] <anonimasu> I have a 500 out in the shop..
[14:25:56] <alex_joni> should do the trick
[14:26:04] <alex_joni> but it'll take you a while
[14:26:11] <anonimasu> hm, so I just need to grab emc + rcslib
[14:26:47] <anonimasu> *grabbes rcslib off the cvs too*
[14:27:19] <anonimasu> I hope this fixes it..
[14:27:24] <anonimasu> I want to mill stuff :/
[14:29:43] <alex_joni> what linux/rtai do you have installed?
[14:30:01] <anonimasu> the stuff off the BDI4.x cd
[14:30:23] <anonimasu> 4.08
[14:30:30] <alex_joni> you need to install devel stuff
[14:30:46] <anonimasu> yeah but that's on the cd isnt it?
[14:30:50] <alex_joni> that's not on the BDI4.0x yet
[14:31:00] <alex_joni> nope :(
[14:31:19] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[14:31:27] <alex_joni> you need to network the machine you plan to build emc/rcslib
[14:31:31] <alex_joni> to get gcc & such
[14:31:53] <anonimasu> the problem is that I have no network cards and no cabling out to the shop
[14:32:17] <alex_joni> that's why I'd suggest building on naother machine
[14:32:43] <anonimasu> hm, I have a machine I could build it on but it's slackware so it'd be alot of more work..
[14:33:38] <anonimasu> I think I'll grab the debian isos and burn em to a dvd and loopmount em..
[14:35:36] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is afraid he can't help on deb stuff
[14:35:53] <anonimasu> or I might go off to work and get a network card..
[14:35:54] <anonimasu> :/
[14:36:41] <alex_joni> heh
[14:36:44] <alex_joni> and some cable
[14:36:46] <alex_joni> ;)
[14:36:51] <alex_joni> or.. some wifi cable
[14:36:59] <alex_joni> which reminds me...
[14:37:12] <alex_joni> there was a dude selling 150m of wifi cable on ebay :D
[14:37:28] <anonimasu> wifi cable?
[14:37:32] <anonimasu> ?
[14:38:04] <alex_joni> wireless cable
[14:38:06] <alex_joni> e.g. air
[14:38:12] <anonimasu> ah :)
[14:38:16] <anonimasu> got cable like that..
[14:38:38] <anonimasu> but it's the inside of the shop that's harder :)
[14:38:49] <alex_joni> well... depends on power
[14:38:51] <alex_joni> :D
[14:39:08] <anonimasu> I'll move the box inside..
[14:39:20] <anonimasu> damn this stuff better work when I've recompiled it..
[14:39:26] <alex_joni> lol
[14:40:16] <anonimasu> messing is nice to a point.. but this is going too far..
[14:41:13] <anonimasu> I'll be back later
[14:41:20] <alex_joni> ok
[14:41:20] <anonimasu> going to go to work and grab a network card..
[14:41:28] <anonimasu> :)
[14:41:34] <alex_joni> ;)
[15:03:23] <anonimasu> iab
[15:03:32] <anonimasu> I'll be here in a bit just need to boot the computer
[15:06:11] <alex_joni> gmorning les
[15:08:01] <les> good morning
[15:08:20] <alex_joni> how's the homing working?
[15:09:01] <les> still not using segmentqueue...I have so much production that I cannot test it now
[15:09:16] <les> homing works in the old version
[15:09:16] <alex_joni> that's ... good :)
[15:09:29] <les> sure would like a break
[15:09:47] <les> running the machine a lot and making money is good but
[15:09:51] <alex_joni> yeah... a break is nice once in a while
[15:09:58] <les> I would like some time off
[15:10:15] <alex_joni> I know the feeling
[15:10:37] <les> A business owner rarely gets to take time off
[15:11:16] <alex_joni> depends on the size of the business
[15:11:27] <alex_joni> one day it'll grow out of your hands :D
[15:11:40] <alex_joni> and you'll have managers & such employed
[15:11:48] <alex_joni> then you can take a break ;)
[15:12:12] <les> Yup...exponential growth right now
[15:12:33] <alex_joni> gotta be carefull with that
[15:12:33] <les> It is just like the division I worked at in Chicago
[15:12:43] <alex_joni> you don't wanna grow too rapidly
[15:12:50] <les> So I have been through it
[15:12:59] <les> yeah...not too fast
[15:13:23] <alex_joni> if it's too fast... it gets out of control
[15:13:28] <alex_joni> and can crash
[15:14:39] <les> At Chicago we did our first mirror heater run cutting them out with scissors!
[15:14:50] <les> 20,000 of them!!!
[15:15:03] <alex_joni> ;)
[15:15:15] <les> Finally got the dies tooled though
[15:15:25] <alex_joni> dies?
[15:15:50] <les> Steel rule dies for kiss cutting the sheet plastic
[15:16:22] <les> does not cut through the backing in one spot
[15:16:34] <les> to make a peel away tab
[15:16:53] <les> it's sticky backed on one side
[15:16:59] <alex_joni> oh.. I see
[15:17:23] <anonimasu> ah now..
[15:17:25] <les> just peel off the backing and press on the back of the glass mirror
[15:18:02] <les> (also gives anti-shatter feature)
[15:18:30] <les> anyway...must go to the bank
[15:18:40] <alex_joni> bank is good
[15:18:40] <les> deposits :)
[15:18:43] <anonimasu> :)
[15:18:48] <les> later
[15:19:12] <alex_joni> later
[15:19:16] <anonimasu> later
[15:19:27] <anonimasu> alex_joni: hm, so I grab emc.. and rcslib..
[15:19:38] <anonimasu> and the stuff it depends on..
[15:19:41] <anonimasu> and it should work
[15:20:08] <alex_joni> an0n: in hteory .. yes
[15:20:11] <alex_joni> theory
[15:20:14] <anonimasu> hehe
[15:20:37] <alex_joni> hope you'll not get into trouble compiling
[15:20:43] <alex_joni> ohhhh
[15:20:47] <alex_joni> hang on a moment
[15:20:51] <alex_joni> I just remembered
[15:21:03] <alex_joni> emc&rcslib won't compile on BDI-4.0x
[15:21:10] <alex_joni> because of the 2.6 kernel
[15:21:18] <anonimasu> isnt that emc2?
[15:21:36] <alex_joni> emc2 too
[15:21:53] <alex_joni> but in order to compile emc1, paul_c did a _lot_ of changes
[15:22:06] <alex_joni> one of them .. scrapping rcslib
[15:22:55] <alex_joni> and replacing it with libnml (a clean-and-mean implementation of rcslib)
[15:23:09] <alex_joni> the best thing to do... get a BDI-Live and try that one
[15:24:49] <anonimasu> argh
[15:25:05] <alex_joni> :(
[15:25:21] <alex_joni> if you go with the latest ;)
[15:25:32] <alex_joni> unstable :P
[15:25:43] <anonimasu> oh, I thought the stuff that was on the isos were meant to work..
[15:25:47] <anonimasu> :(
[15:25:50] <alex_joni> you could go ahead and try it.. but I think it would be a waste of time
[15:26:04] <anonimasu> well, I dont care anymore I just want my mill to work ok..
[15:26:07] <alex_joni> it's the latest iso, and it's not fully done yet
[15:26:12] <anonimasu> but I am not installing bdi-live..
[15:26:13] <alex_joni> paul is still working on it
[15:26:20] <anonimasu> err running it..
[15:27:00] <alex_joni> why not?
[15:27:09] <alex_joni> you can even install it...
[15:27:22] <anonimasu> Ill downgrade this kernel instead..
[15:27:39] <alex_joni> you really think you wanna go there?
[15:27:43] <anonimasu> yes
[15:27:49] <alex_joni> or you can do an apt-get ...
[15:27:58] <alex_joni> you need kernel, rtai
[15:28:01] <alex_joni> modules
[15:28:02] <alex_joni> etc.
[15:28:06] <anonimasu> kernel source?
[15:28:41] <alex_joni> I said I don't know abou tdeb...
[15:28:45] <alex_joni> I said I don't know about deb...
[15:28:57] <alex_joni> but the proper way to do it is to dl a kernel source
[15:28:59] <anonimasu> well, I didnt ask on how to do it.. :)
[15:29:03] <alex_joni> then patch it with rtai
[15:29:22] <alex_joni> compile kernel, compile rtai
[15:29:26] <anonimasu> yeah..
[15:29:27] <alex_joni> install kernel, install modules
[15:29:35] <alex_joni> then go over to compiling rcslib
[15:29:40] <alex_joni> after thet emc1
[15:30:41] <anonimasu> what my emc compile failed at last time was that I didnt have the proper X libraries for installing tk
[15:30:44] <anonimasu> and no connection..
[15:31:16] <alex_joni> bugger
[15:31:17] <alex_joni> ;)
[15:33:01] <alex_joni> I was thinking of installing BDI-4.08
[15:33:07] <alex_joni> but I think I'll skip that
[15:33:15] <alex_joni> I have a SuSE 8.2 right now
[15:33:22] <alex_joni> with 2.4.21-adeos
[15:33:34] <anonimasu> 179 upgraded, 18 newly installed, 8 to remove and 53 not upgraded.
[15:33:36] <anonimasu> heh
[15:33:42] <anonimasu> packages for installing tcl/tk
[15:33:53] <alex_joni> lol
[15:33:55] <alex_joni> nuts....
[15:33:57] <anonimasu> upgrades for everything
[15:38:11] <anonimasu> :)
[15:38:46] <alex_joni> is tehre a rtai-patched 2.4 kernel for deb?
[15:40:14] <anonimasu> I dont know.. I'll grab the source and patch it manually...
[15:40:29] <anonimasu> :)
[15:40:43] <alex_joni> if you grab the same one I have, I can send you binaries
[15:40:58] <anonimasu> ok
[15:41:07] <anonimasu> I just need to upgrade all this stuff first
[15:41:08] <anonimasu> :)
[15:41:19] <anonimasu> 5 minutes getting synergy..
[15:41:27] <anonimasu> and maybe 5 getting the other packages..
[15:41:29] <jepler> http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/apr98/breadbrd.html
[15:41:35] <alex_joni> hey jepler
[15:42:52] <jepler> hi
[15:44:34] <alex_joni> jepler: this is nuts...
[15:44:43] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is laughing his ass off
[15:44:55] <jepler> I thought it was pretty funny
[15:45:03] <alex_joni> crazy
[15:45:06] <alex_joni> ;)
[15:45:11] <alex_joni> but I'll keep it in mind
[15:45:12] <alex_joni> :D
[15:45:23] <anonimasu> LOL
[15:48:11] <alex_joni> " and smells very tasty as you solder."
[15:48:12] <alex_joni> LOL
[15:51:33] <jepler> * jepler wanders away
[15:51:56] <anonimasu> I got 57 of thoose packages now
[15:52:02] <anonimasu> err 70
[15:52:03] <anonimasu> :)
[15:52:30] <anonimasu> and the kernel and patch..
[15:53:33] <alex_joni> nice connection ;)
[15:53:37] <anonimasu> yep
[15:54:21] <anonimasu> but i's slow as hell atm..
[15:56:11] <alex_joni> atm?
[15:56:33] <anonimasu> yeah..
[15:56:34] <anonimasu> right now
[15:56:44] <anonimasu> or well it was the network card of the emc box..
[15:56:46] <anonimasu> it's a old isa card..
[15:56:57] <anonimasu> it dosent like high speeds..
[15:57:03] <anonimasu> downloading it at the server I have instead..
[15:57:10] <alex_joni> aha
[15:57:11] <anonimasu> it's going in 560kb/s
[15:57:16] <alex_joni> nice
[15:57:38] <anonimasu> yeah
[15:57:41] <alex_joni> I can only dream of such downloads at home ;)
[15:57:43] <anonimasu> soon I'll have this working
[15:58:40] <anonimasu> I hope
[15:58:58] <anonimasu> I cant wait until my isp starts providing higher speeds..
[15:59:03] <anonimasu> :)
[15:59:08] <alex_joni> I think I'll leave for a while...
[15:59:11] <anonimasu> ok
[15:59:24] <alex_joni> I'll be back later
[15:59:28] <anonimasu> I'll be busy messing around with this for a while
[15:59:54] <alex_joni> good luck :)
[15:59:59] <anonimasu> hehe
[16:00:00] <anonimasu> I'll need it
[16:01:13] <gezr> morning guys
[16:01:52] <anonimasu> hey gezr
[16:04:28] <anonimasu> hm nice..
[16:04:52] <anonimasu> adeos patched flawlessly
[16:14:47] <gezr> sweet
[16:14:57] <anonimasu> compiling it now
[16:15:08] <anonimasu> :)
[16:15:17] <anonimasu> hopefully emc will compile at this box..
[16:59:25] <gezr> anonimasu : what rtai are you gonna be using?
[17:01:26] <anonimasu> I have no idea yet
[17:01:34] <anonimasu> whatever emc requires..
[17:01:35] <anonimasu> :)
[17:37:29] <gezr> www.masternode.net/gallery
[17:37:30] <gezr> :)
[17:57:15] <gezr> let me know if you visit and its working okay, things seem okay locally, I cant tell remotely
[17:59:44] <danfalck> gezr: checked it out. it works. cool shaper!
[17:59:56] <gezr> I did mention it was ugly :)
[18:00:05] <gezr> thanks
[18:00:22] <gezr> bike first then machines
[18:01:31] <gezr> or who knows, pait is cheap compared to other things right now it would seem
[18:01:34] <gezr> paint
[18:01:59] <danfalck> why worry about paint? just use the hell out of it.
[18:02:32] <gezr> I dont know
[18:02:46] <robin_sz> * robin_sz visits
[18:03:21] <robin_sz> hmmm ... shaper and a horizontal mill ...
[18:03:49] <gezr> im probably gonna blast the parts I have masked off, that green tape is insane sticky stuff, some new high bond m3 stuff
[18:04:14] <robin_sz> you gonna blast the injectors?
[18:04:18] <gezr> yeah
[18:04:29] <robin_sz> * robin_sz crosses himself
[18:04:59] <gezr> they are either working or not, so I dont care if I run them, It may not be my fault
[18:05:07] <gezr> ruin
[18:05:41] <gezr> robin_sz : hey, hmm, my waterpump is in bad shape
[18:05:54] <robin_sz> bad shape?
[18:06:04] <robin_sz> seal gone?
[18:06:18] <gezr> the shaft that drives it, well its shot, and the seals one of them cant be purchased, and well, do you think a new shaft made of 4140 would do the trick?
[18:06:47] <robin_sz> what about the new seal?
[18:06:56] <gezr> I think I can get the seal that bmw doesnt offer anymore, it may be a common item, its a 12x25x5 seal
[18:07:19] <robin_sz> the shaft cant just be skimmed?
[18:07:34] <gezr> heavy rust destruction
[18:08:15] <robin_sz> id go to the breakers
[18:08:22] <gezr> breakers?
[18:08:30] <robin_sz> wreckers
[18:08:37] <robin_sz> 2nd hand parts company
[18:08:52] <gezr> yeah, that would be something to do, its a very simple shaft
[18:08:55] <robin_sz> whatever they call it out there in the USA
[18:09:08] <gezr> salvage yard
[18:09:14] <robin_sz> right
[18:09:31] <gezr> you think making one wouldnt be the way to go hu?
[18:09:44] <robin_sz> dunno ... guess it was made once
[18:09:45] <gezr> a new one is 123
[18:09:52] <robin_sz> and you have th tools
[18:09:59] <gezr> yeah, and stock
[18:11:03] <robin_sz> if I was going to balst that engine and covers ...
[18:11:05] <gezr> i just dont know
[18:11:27] <robin_sz> I'd do it as a 'lump' .. all bolted up
[18:11:30] <gezr> If I could I would do it all while it was together :)
[18:11:43] <robin_sz> and you cant?
[18:12:02] <gezr> not at this phase, Ill have my work cut out for me with cleaning
[18:12:58] <gezr> robin_sz : its 20 years old, I just hope I get it all right
[18:13:52] <gezr> the head so far is fantastic :)
[18:14:23] <danfalck> hi steve
[18:14:23] <gezr> Ill have the block done by someone when its all together, its too large for my set up here
[18:14:31] <robin_sz> I just remrmebr spending ages cleaning glass bead out of bolt holes .. for me, blasting it apart was a big mistake
[18:14:52] <SteveStallings> hi dan
[18:14:54] <gezr> robin_sz : I know, bolt holes were tapped off :)
[18:15:24] <robin_sz> so where mine
[18:15:39] <danfalck> SteveStallings: how was cabin fever?
[18:16:06] <robin_sz> * robin_sz goes back to beating Debian
[18:16:38] <SteveStallings> pretty good, attendance similar to earlier shows, questions from visitors about CNC indicate that people are getting more interested and more informed
[18:20:31] <robin_sz> did you have a stack of Live! cds to give out?
[18:21:48] <SteveStallings> thalx was there running a Sherline that I provided with RC46. I think he gave out a few CD's and answered lots of questions.
[18:22:38] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[18:32:04] <robin_sz> gezr: you know debian, to install a .deb I have .. its just dpkg -i <file> right?
[18:35:35] <gezr> yep
[18:35:48] <gezr> info is -I
[18:35:58] <danfalck> apt-get install <file> too?
[18:36:14] <robin_sz> really?
[18:36:20] <acemi> <file> -> <package name>
[18:36:26] <robin_sz> quite
[18:36:32] <robin_sz> these are local files
[18:37:05] <robin_sz> local files for local people
[18:38:58] <robin_sz> * robin_sz waits for the box to come back up again
[18:39:22] <robin_sz> oh dear
[18:46:09] <gezr> do you guys think 15 dollars more a month to get 8 high definition stations is worth it?
[18:46:12] <gezr> Ihave a hd tv
[18:46:36] <robin_sz> I have no TV, so Id say "no"
[18:47:26] <gezr> i dont like to go to the movies
[18:47:36] <gezr> something about being with other folks these days bothers me
[18:48:34] <gezr> ill go see starwars III though
[18:48:46] <gezr> most of those folks I can relate to
[18:48:52] <robin_sz> heh
[18:48:55] <robin_sz> geeks :)
[18:49:15] <robin_sz> so .. to see where the hell all the files in a .deb will go?
[18:49:16] <gezr> I played star wars galaxies online for the past year
[18:49:26] <robin_sz> * robin_sz installed foo-source and cant see it
[18:49:27] <gezr> ./var/cache/apt/archives
[18:49:35] <gezr> oh those
[18:49:39] <gezr> ./usr/src
[18:49:42] <robin_sz> nah
[18:49:47] <robin_sz> thats where it *should* go
[18:49:51] <gezr> oh man
[18:50:02] <robin_sz> is there some way to view the .deb contennts?
[18:50:09] <gezr> try /usr/local and then /usr/share or run a dpkg -I <file\>
[18:50:27] <gezr> yeah big eye
[18:50:29] <gezr> -I
[18:50:40] <robin_sz> -I gives just a little bit of decsriptive info
[18:50:52] <robin_sz> is there someting equiv to tar -tvf ?
[18:51:08] <gezr> -L
[18:51:11] <gezr> list files
[18:52:12] <gezr> -c is contentws
[18:53:22] <gezr> i hope that helped some
[18:54:18] <gezr> robin_sz : oh, bmw doesnt offer the o-ring seals for the injectors anymore,
[18:54:29] <robin_sz> sure
[18:54:30] <robin_sz> ???
[18:54:39] <gezr> yeah, got a dealer with fiche online
[18:54:46] <robin_sz> coo
[18:54:52] <acemi> dpkg -c dile.deb
[18:54:53] <robin_sz> no replacement at all?
[18:54:53] <gezr> ill have to find substitutes
[18:55:01] <gezr> yeah im sure something exists
[18:55:11] <gezr> the dealer im working with is top knotch
[18:55:13] <robin_sz> * robin_sz finds them in /usr/src/modules/foo
[19:23:10] <alex_joni> meep?
[19:34:34] <robin_sz> meep indeed
[19:35:05] <alex_joni> greetings...
[19:39:58] <danfalck> hello
[19:40:07] <alex_joni> hey dan
[19:40:10] <alex_joni> anything new?
[19:40:28] <danfalck> not much with me. been using sagcad a bit
[19:40:40] <alex_joni> any impressions?
[19:40:59] <danfalck> hard to deal with, but open source and it does some cam output...
[19:41:12] <alex_joni> I've been using ace for cam output
[19:42:51] <danfalck> so what's the latest with emc?
[19:43:23] <alex_joni> not mucht
[19:43:25] <alex_joni> not much
[19:43:34] <danfalck> is paul away this week?
[19:43:39] <alex_joni> I plan on doing some work on emc2 (IO-controller)
[19:43:45] <alex_joni> paul is away
[19:43:57] <alex_joni> one of the reasons not much right now on emc ;)
[19:44:14] <alex_joni> jmk & zwisk are working on a hal-refactor
[19:54:49] <anonimasu> :)
[19:55:14] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[19:55:18] <alex_joni> got it going?
[19:56:43] <anonimasu> I got the kernel installed but I forgot to add HID support...
[19:56:49] <anonimasu> so I need to recompile it tomorrow..
[19:56:59] <alex_joni> cool...
[19:56:59] <anonimasu> but it's running with adeos :)
[19:57:04] <alex_joni> got rtai working?
[19:57:07] <anonimasu> I quit for today..
[19:57:17] <alex_joni> btw.. what rtai did you install?
[19:57:29] <anonimasu> apt get install rtai
[19:57:31] <anonimasu> ;)
[19:57:34] <anonimasu> I was lazy.
[19:57:44] <alex_joni> ahh.. coo
[19:57:55] <alex_joni> but does it dl the source too?
[19:58:06] <anonimasu> apt-get rtai-dev
[19:58:10] <alex_joni> to patch the kernel for example
[19:58:11] <anonimasu> err apt get install rtai-dev
[19:58:17] <alex_joni> cool
[19:58:25] <anonimasu> ah, no :) but that gives you the headers and stuff..
[19:58:28] <alex_joni> ?ME starts to think this debian is smthg
[19:58:36] <alex_joni> * alex_joni starts to think this debian is smthg
[19:58:42] <anonimasu> debian is great.. :)
[19:59:04] <anonimasu> I didnt install rtai.. damn
[19:59:05] <anonimasu> :D
[19:59:09] <anonimasu> not the kernel patch..
[19:59:16] <anonimasu> let me check if I can access the box..
[19:59:18] <alex_joni> well.. then you got a nice kernel
[19:59:27] <alex_joni> unfortunately with no RT support ;)
[20:00:05] <anonimasu> heh
[20:00:10] <anonimasu> I'll sove that later :)
[20:00:56] <anonimasu> it
[20:01:33] <anonimasu> I didnt check I thought that was included with adeos..
[20:02:29] <acemi> there is a debian package, name is kernel-patch-adeos
[20:02:53] <anonimasu> I downloaded the source and patched manually :)
[20:03:21] <alex_joni> that's best
[20:03:27] <anonimasu> that's as easy :)
[20:03:27] <acemi> but i think that you don't need adeos, if you donwload rtai
[20:03:29] <alex_joni> what version did you download?
[20:03:35] <anonimasu> of adeos?
[20:03:43] <anonimasu> 2.5.21..
[20:03:57] <alex_joni> 2.5.21?
[20:04:01] <anonimasu> err 2.4
[20:04:04] <anonimasu> typo
[20:04:46] <alex_joni> well that's the kernel AFAIK
[20:05:27] <anonimasu> :)
[20:05:50] <anonimasu> I know, It was .16 of adeos.. I think..
[20:06:12] <anonimasu> cant remember and I forgot to edit the startup to use the isa network card so I cant check..
[20:06:24] <alex_joni> lol
[20:06:30] <alex_joni> yeah.. that happens
[20:06:38] <anonimasu> hold on
[20:06:49] <anonimasu> adeos-2.4.21-r16
[20:08:34] <anonimasu> I'll be gone for a bit
[20:08:50] <anonimasu> going to slack a little then go and insert the drivers :) on the box..
[20:08:55] <anonimasu> so I can work with it from here..
[20:09:10] <anonimasu> I am at a lan party right now
[20:16:33] <robin_sz> nerd alert!
[20:16:47] <anonimasu> lol
[20:17:29] <robin_sz> hehe .. I managed to get debian to net install ...
[20:18:48] <robin_sz> the netinst claimed the bios was broken/old ... then I noticed, if I left the CD in and rebooted ... it saw the CD ok ... but if I put the fresh hard drive in and powered up it didnt .. so I hot-swapped the IDE drives ;)
[20:19:28] <robin_sz> I figure the cd mount process must have flipped a bit in the cdrom or somethng
[20:19:47] <picnet> I know I dont spend enough time in the lab when i come back home and the cup of tea is still warm....
[20:20:00] <robin_sz> heh
[20:20:04] <robin_sz> eveny "
[20:20:07] <picnet> evning
[20:20:32] <robin_sz> * robin_sz is playing with VOIP fun still
[20:21:06] <picnet> i have skype on my pda & use it over wifi when traveling etc.
[20:21:17] <robin_sz> kewl
[20:21:25] <robin_sz> skype is an interesting protocol
[20:21:44] <picnet> nice hack
[20:21:49] <robin_sz> * robin_sz saw a disection of it the other day
[20:22:17] <picnet> slashdot had a pdf of it or somewhere.
[20:22:43] <robin_sz> pushing the traffic peer-to-peer is smart move
[20:22:50] <robin_sz> yet they keep control
[20:23:03] <robin_sz> you can see whre that is headed!
[20:23:16] <picnet> odd i just tried to turn on the pda and its battery was dead.. bizzare.
[20:23:57] <robin_sz> get a few million on skype .. wait for it to become the defacto network
[20:24:11] <robin_sz> then charge them 1c a minute for using their own bandwidth
[20:24:36] <picnet> might not happen, voip -> pstn is where they make money.
[20:25:14] <robin_sz> * robin_sz predicts a pstn->voip migration in the next 5 years
[21:06:55] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back
[21:07:25] <alex_joni> robin: how is voip? I mean how does it work for you.. are you happy?
[21:08:00] <anonimasu> :)
[21:08:16] <alex_joni> hey an0n
[21:08:22] <alex_joni> how's the gaming?
[21:09:43] <anonimasu> I am not gaming :)
[21:09:54] <anonimasu> yet..
[21:10:28] <alex_joni> planning to?
[21:10:37] <anonimasu> yeah maybe in a bit
[21:10:46] <alex_joni> cool... what?
[21:11:05] <anonimasu> unreal tournament 2004
[21:11:26] <alex_joni> * alex_joni quit gaming a while ago...
[21:11:34] <anonimasu> I did too actually
[21:11:47] <anonimasu> but when togther with some friends it's pretty fun :)
[21:11:54] <alex_joni> my last game was half-life
[21:11:58] <anonimasu> cant write code 10/7
[21:12:02] <alex_joni> and I did a lot of Delta Force
[21:12:12] <alex_joni> make that 24/7 ;)
[21:12:22] <anonimasu> yeah that's more like it..
[21:12:48] <anonimasu> brb
[21:27:57] <gezr> everquest II is okay
[21:29:27] <gezr> if you feel the need to dedicate a life to it
[21:29:55] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has dedicated enough lives already
[21:30:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni watches a movie.. later
[22:06:28] <alex_joni> hello jmk
[22:07:01] <jmkasunich> hi alex
[22:07:09] <alex_joni> what's new?
[22:07:21] <alex_joni> how's the refactor going?
[22:07:25] <jmkasunich> not much... to many things to do, not enough time
[22:07:38] <alex_joni> yeah.. I know
[22:07:48] <alex_joni> I kinda get that every once in a while...
[22:07:48] <picnet> * picnet knows that feeling.
[22:07:50] <jmkasunich> I really need to clean my basement out
[22:07:57] <alex_joni> and then I do .. nothing ;)
[22:08:07] <jmkasunich> can't turn around without tripping over stuff
[22:08:37] <picnet> tread carefully?
[22:08:56] <jmkasunich> that's what I've been doing
[22:09:24] <picnet> same here, so much crap on the floor / benches etc. I need to put tools away :)
[22:09:46] <jmkasunich> part of my problem is that I'm addicted to dumpster diving
[22:10:28] <jmkasunich> I haven't stored away the last batch I brought home, and there's another pile under a lab bench at work that's waiting to come home!
[22:15:15] <picnet> lol
[22:16:02] <alex_joni> darn....
[22:16:16] <alex_joni> I don't think I'll be able to run linux on my PDA
[22:16:27] <alex_joni> Casio Cassiopeia E-125
[22:16:30] <alex_joni> :(
[22:17:33] <gezr> hmm
[22:17:48] <gezr> any of you have access to the books to a hp170a scope?
[22:18:09] <jmkasunich> not directly
[22:18:13] <jmkasunich> how old is it?
[22:18:19] <gezr> or would I be better off on ebaying a new scope?
[22:18:22] <gezr> its old
[22:18:31] <gezr> it somewhat works
[22:18:56] <gezr> one of the traces wont display, its a dual trace 100mhz unit
[22:19:49] <jmkasunich> http://bama.sbc.edu/hp.htm
[22:20:25] <jmkasunich> guy there seems to have a cal/service manual, but you have to contact him to get it
[22:22:23] <gezr> yeah, thank you, its a 1740a I dont know what i was thinking
[22:23:25] <jmkasunich> I wonder if the "17401_cal.pdf" at that site matches the scope?
[22:24:08] <gezr> it may be what I need, ill have to email the guy
[22:24:39] <gezr> it would be nice to get a service manual :)
[22:25:08] <jmkasunich> yep
[22:25:18] <jmkasunich> I've been doing the manual search thing lately...
[22:25:35] <jmkasunich> acquired some surplus test instruments from work
[22:25:55] <jmkasunich> (we had an auction of unused and/or busted stuff)
[22:26:00] <gezr> oh cool
[22:26:05] <jmkasunich> I paid $200 for a Tek 2440 DSO
[22:26:20] <gezr> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=58280&item=3868200337&rd=1
[22:26:35] <jmkasunich> got a possibly busted, possibly just out of cal AM503A current probe amp with two probes for $2
[22:27:15] <gezr> cool
[22:27:22] <gezr> I may just buy a new one to me
[22:27:47] <gezr> the experience of fixing would be cool, but could also teach me some bad things
[22:27:58] <jmkasunich> I dunno about that ebay one...
[22:28:07] <gezr> thats mine for the most part
[22:28:22] <jmkasunich> If I was selling a scope, I'd at least power it up and see if it gets a trace, then show a pic with the trace
[22:28:26] <gezr> just showing it to show what ive got
[22:28:32] <jmkasunich> OK
[22:28:53] <jmkasunich> if you decide to get one from ebay, I'd recommend a tektronic
[22:29:00] <picnet> I have a 4 chan / 100mhz dso , hp54510 but I doubt its similar.
[22:29:01] <jmkasunich> tektronix
[22:29:28] <jmkasunich> there are a _lot_ of tek scopes out there, lots of folks sell manuals (scans and originals)
[22:29:45] <gezr> I have an old military service 10mhz scope thats just great :)
[22:29:47] <jmkasunich> there is a very active yahoo group for tekscopes, very helpfull folks
[22:30:42] <gezr> I like the tek stuff
[22:35:16] <picnet> http://www.cn17.com/uploadimg/20040815110713_HP54501A.jpg
[22:35:55] <picnet> quite terrible to use, early scope ment mainly to be driven over HPIB/GPIB not via the front pannel.
[22:36:07] <gezr> thats a nice one
[22:36:11] <jmkasunich> eeewwwwww, no knobs
[22:36:19] <picnet> exactly!
[22:36:36] <picnet> its a buton pressers fantasy
[22:37:29] <picnet> i checked the calibration against my fluke meter (which is calibrated) - everything was in spec which was nice.
[22:38:11] <gezr> ill be back in a while guys
[22:39:25] <jmkasunich> http://store1.yimg.com/I/rdstuff_1816_1955092
[22:39:38] <jmkasunich> buttons and knobs ;-)
[22:40:28] <picnet> yep, i used an old hameg digital scope ages ago, kind miss the button fiddling with the hp.
[22:40:51] <picnet> im still after a hbip card for it.
[22:41:00] <jmkasunich> we have some of the fancy new Tek DSOs at work, like TDS740
[22:41:07] <picnet> color?
[22:41:11] <picnet> tft?
[22:41:18] <jmkasunich> yeah
[22:41:28] <picnet> computers in disguse as a scope.
[22:41:46] <jmkasunich> they're a pain to use - must be running winbloze, cause it takes forever to respond to a knob or button
[22:42:20] <jmkasunich> turn the gain knob six clicks, and the scope takes 10 seconds to respond (at least it seems that long)
[22:43:01] <picnet> any hidden demo modes in it?
[22:43:31] <jmkasunich> dunno
[22:58:52] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm getting cross eyed from programming. :(
[22:59:29] <alex_joni> what are you programming?
[22:59:44] <jmkasunich> time to take a break
[23:00:07] <A-L-P-H-A> Making dynamic forms in php... so I give it a list a Table, Foreign keys, exclusion list. And it'll generate a complete form [update/delete/insert] based on those criterias.
[23:00:26] <alex_joni> jmk: did you think about IO stuff for emc2?
[23:00:33] <alex_joni> not how to program
[23:00:39] <jmkasunich> sounds like fun (not)
[23:00:43] <alex_joni> I got your mail (thank you btw)
[23:00:53] <A-L-P-H-A> I've got the insert and delete... but update is is the same logic... just that I'm trying to follow my old code... and I just need a breat.
[23:00:55] <A-L-P-H-A> break
[23:00:57] <alex_joni> alpha: if you like php...
[23:00:58] <jmkasunich> (talking about the php stuff)
[23:01:28] <alex_joni> do you have some ideas about what I should do for IO?
[23:01:41] <A-L-P-H-A> I like php. I'm already using a pear... which I'm not extending.
[23:01:48] <alex_joni> I plan (at the moment) to go ahead and code up some other hal-pins
[23:01:59] <jmkasunich> I really don't know alex
[23:02:08] <alex_joni> for lube, coolant, etc
[23:02:21] <jmkasunich> I'm up to my elbows in other stuff
[23:02:21] <alex_joni> ok.. thought you might have more clues than me ;)
[23:02:50] <alex_joni> I'd lend a hand...
[23:02:57] <alex_joni> but it's too far away ;)
[23:03:21] <jmkasunich> right now I'm trying to repair a Tektronic TCV501
[23:03:25] <jmkasunich> TVC501 I mean
[23:04:12] <jmkasunich> symptoms - dead, found blown fuse in power supply circuit, everything ohms out OK, just soldering in a new fuse now
[23:04:24] <alex_joni> cool
[23:04:28] <alex_joni> 100 MHz
[23:04:39] <alex_joni> 100MS/s sampling
[23:04:48] <jmkasunich> the original fuse was one of those "pico fuses", like a 1/4 watt resistor
[23:04:53] <jmkasunich> don't have one of those here
[23:05:03] <alex_joni> put a fuse-holder
[23:05:34] <jmkasunich> I have some PCB mount fuse clips, soldered wire to them and soldered them to the original fuse location
[23:05:48] <jmkasunich> (for testing only - then I'll get a proper fuse)
[23:06:02] <alex_joni> for testing you might get to change it a few times...
[23:06:09] <alex_joni> if anything else is broken
[23:06:26] <alex_joni> anyways
[23:06:35] <alex_joni> I think I'm going to bed...
[23:07:00] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[23:07:04] <jmkasunich> talk to you tomorrow
[23:07:08] <alex_joni> yeah
[23:07:19] <alex_joni> I hope I'll be more up to programming tomorrow
[23:07:25] <alex_joni> night guys
[23:09:56] <jmkasunich> awesome - it works!
[23:38:09] <robin_sz> hmmm
[23:38:18] <jmkasunich> hmmmm?
[23:38:39] <robin_sz> the netsplit
[23:39:13] <jmkasunich> I didn't see any netsplit