#emc | Logs for 2005-01-19

[00:00:11] <gezr> yeah :), but remember to enjoy your elephant too.
[00:00:17] <les> will listen to some jazz in the music room and read the stg manual
[00:00:46] <les> ha later...nice talking
[00:00:56] <gezr> take care :)
[02:15:26] <paul_c> Morning
[02:18:34] <paul_c> Morning John
[02:18:39] <jmkasunich> hi
[02:19:23] <paul_c> what did I miss over the weekend ?
[02:19:41] <jmkasunich> hmmm
[02:19:48] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich barely remembers
[02:20:04] <jmkasunich> Jonathan Stark and I have started the hal refactor
[02:20:10] <jmkasunich> Alex is working on IO for emc2
[02:20:37] <jmkasunich> plenty of the usual conversations
[02:21:44] <jmkasunich> got any use for Allen Bradley 1394 AC servodrive axis modules?
[02:22:18] <paul_c> with motor ?
[02:22:39] <jmkasunich> I have 8 motors and 15 axis modules
[02:22:50] <jmkasunich> motors have integral encoders
[02:23:24] <jmkasunich> rated 1Kw cont, 5000 RPM, 24 in-lb IIRC
[02:23:36] <jmkasunich> 380-480V input
[02:23:42] <paul_c> been skip diving at work again ?
[02:23:51] <jmkasunich> you betcha
[02:24:14] <jmkasunich> they must have cleaned out a development lab
[02:24:36] <jmkasunich> the power supply/control units were definitely engineering prototypes
[02:24:46] <jmkasunich> one had the side panel cut away so they could probe the board
[02:25:04] <jmkasunich> and the boards have the usual cuts and jumpers and "not for customer use" stickers
[02:25:22] <jmkasunich> but the axis modules seem to be standard production units, right off the shelf
[02:26:11] <jmkasunich> the control units aren't really interesting to me - they speak some proprietary AB protocol, completely closed source
[02:26:12] <paul_c> Hmmm... Sercos inputs ?
[02:26:51] <jmkasunich> who knows - the system is modular, and AB has many flavors of control for it
[02:27:39] <jmkasunich> http://www.ab.com/motion/drives/1394ac.html
[02:28:13] <jmkasunich> the wide chunk on the left is the control/powersupply
[02:28:18] <jmkasunich> the others are axis modules
[02:29:01] <jmkasunich> I have three of the power supply units, but as I said, engineering prototypes of unknown origin and condition
[02:29:54] <paul_c> much as I would like to play with them.....
[02:30:10] <paul_c> I don't have a three phase supply
[02:30:29] <jmkasunich> you have 230V single phase?
[02:30:31] <paul_c> nor do I think I could afford shipping charges.
[02:30:54] <jmkasunich> I'm planning some experiments running them at half voltage
[02:31:00] <paul_c> * paul_c has 240V single phase supply...
[02:31:14] <jmkasunich> that should get me 2500 RPM
[02:31:40] <jmkasunich> would require some hacking, but guess what... I know an EE who works on drive stuff much like this ;-)
[02:32:16] <jmkasunich> I have schematics for the axis modules (but they are proprietary, I couldn't share without endangering my job)
[02:32:37] <jmkasunich> re: shipping... I might bring some to fest
[02:33:05] <jmkasunich> axis module is about 2" wide x 12" tall x 10" deep - not to bad
[02:33:34] <jmkasunich> motors are bigger than NEMA34, but perhaps a bit smaller than NEMA42
[02:36:38] <paul_c> be a far bit of weight in one motor..
[02:37:09] <jmkasunich> 5Kg perhaps... would get heavy fast in luggage :-(
[02:37:49] <paul_c> on top of all the other stuff I'd be hauling...
[02:38:12] <jmkasunich> get some interesting looks in the airport too ;-)
[02:38:24] <paul_c> Any news on a venue for the Fest ?
[02:38:44] <jmkasunich> no reply yet from Fred
[02:39:07] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich gives Fred a call
[02:40:11] <paul_c> * paul_c scans the irc logs
[02:41:11] <paul_c> wanna be carefull with kmalloc
[02:42:35] <paul_c> 'eck... They're all turning up.
[02:46:07] <jmkasunich> Fred confirms that we'll be able to have several days at NIST in April
[02:46:37] <jmkasunich> he's promised to check his schedule and send me some tentative dates tomorrow
[02:47:14] <jmkasunich> one minor bummer - we'd be limited to 7am-7pm, mon-fri
[02:47:31] <paul_c> I'm going to be away for a while, so I may not be here or on IRC to discuss dates.
[02:47:35] <jmkasunich> no late night debugging sessions, and no using the weekend to minimize vacation days
[02:47:48] <jmkasunich> gonna be reading email?
[02:48:28] <paul_c> probably (as & when I can get n/w connections)
[02:49:01] <jmkasunich> well let me know if you have any dates already known to be good or bad
[02:49:16] <jmkasunich> I seem to have been volunteered as coordinator for this thing, so....
[02:49:42] <jmkasunich> we probably should avoid NAMES weekend, so if some folks want to make an appearance at NAMES they can
[02:50:31] <paul_c> I was going to suggest the week following NAMES - Those that attend are only 10 hours from NIST
[02:50:57] <jmkasunich> sounds reasonable
[02:51:09] <jmkasunich> the week before would work too, for the same reason
[02:52:05] <paul_c> re: motels - Avoid Red Roof....
[02:52:28] <paul_c> the one near NIST is right next to a railway line.
[02:52:47] <jmkasunich> thanks for the warning
[02:53:01] <jmkasunich> NIST has a big list of nearby lodging on their website
[02:53:39] <jmkasunich> Motel 6 should be pretty cheap
[02:55:10] <jmkasunich> no Hooters on the restaurant list tho...
[02:55:53] <paul_c> there's a couple of other food joints near by.
[02:55:59] <SteveStallings> Hi guys, I'm on the phone with Ray H. and echoing your comment by voice.
[02:56:22] <jmkasunich> what do you and Ray think of the week before or after NAMES?
[02:56:36] <jmkasunich> BTW, does anyone know the dates for NAMES?
[02:57:59] <paul_c> last weekend in April ?
[02:58:30] <paul_c> 24th/25th ?
[02:58:33] <SteveStallings> April 23-24.... Ray says fine either before or after.
[03:00:15] <jmkasunich> Steve, are you gonna be exibiting at NAMES?
[03:00:20] <SteveStallings> Yes
[03:00:39] <jmkasunich> you'll need to get there Friday then, to set up? or Thursday?
[03:01:10] <SteveStallings> Nope, early Saturday.
[03:03:37] <jmkasunich> Sounds like our preferred dates would be Mon 4/18-Fri 4/22 or Mon 4/25 - Fri 4/29
[03:03:50] <jmkasunich> or some shorter period in there
[03:04:42] <jmkasunich> Cradek would be coming from Neb, I expect he'd like the idea of being able to stop at NAMES while in transit
[03:04:51] <SteveStallings> Ray likes the idea of EMC programmers meeting at NIST and integrators at Roland Friestad's meeting during the weekend.
[03:04:59] <jmkasunich> and Ray would drive right past NAMES as well
[03:05:14] <jmkasunich> at Rolands during NAMES weekend?
[03:05:23] <SteveStallings> Ray mentioned combined trip to NAMES/NIST.
[03:05:43] <SteveStallings> No, Roland's during his show.
[03:05:52] <jmkasunich> in June?
[03:05:56] <SteveStallings> yes
[03:06:13] <jmkasunich> sounds good to me - that makes it two different events
[03:06:24] <jmkasunich> so if I wanted to go to the integrators meet I could
[03:06:37] <jmkasunich> one big event stretches work and family too much
[03:08:08] <jmkasunich> hey Steve: ask Ray if he has any use for AllenBradley 1394 AC Servodrive axis modules or matching 1326 motors
[03:08:52] <jmkasunich> he might service machines with that kind of stuff
[03:09:11] <SteveStallings> duh, sure, guess I could pick them up at NAMES
[03:09:28] <jmkasunich> have him call or email me for details
[03:09:31] <SteveStallings> oops, that was a quote from ray
[03:09:37] <jmkasunich> need phone number?
[03:09:51] <SteveStallings> he says he has #
[03:09:54] <jmkasunich> ok
[03:10:15] <paul_c> Is he joining in on IRC later ?
[03:11:05] <SteveStallings> he says you twisted his arm, guess I have to hang up the phone....
[03:13:10] <SteveStallings> The reason I had called Ray was that the ISO images at Sherline seem to be off line and I was worried that since Mike Joyce was gone, things might be changing. Ray said, no Joe was still committed, probably just a machine down.
[03:15:51] <jmkasunich> any preferences for before vs. after NAMES anybody?
[03:15:59] <paul_c> after..
[03:16:00] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich is writing an email to Fred
[03:16:22] <SteveStallings> I can do either and would defer to Ray's needs.
[03:16:44] <jmkasunich> I believe I can do either as well
[03:22:40] <bobh> Hi guys
[03:23:01] <jmkasunich> hi "bob"
[03:23:04] <paul_c> a yuoper ?
[03:23:14] <bobh> No idea who bobh is but ray is here in disguise.
[03:23:29] <bobh> My knoppix went belly up earlier and this is the result.
[03:23:50] <bobh> Ho Wah! Yah 'eh.
[03:23:59] <SteveStallings> yep, whois confirms up.net is the source 8-)
[03:24:51] <bobh> So tell me how do I change nic in mid stream?
[03:25:07] <SteveStallings> The guys want to know if Ray prefers the weekend before or after NAMES for trip to NIST.
[03:25:18] <paul_c> * paul_c is compiling two new kernels side by side...
[03:25:46] <SteveStallings> I would guess that that must be illegal here in Virginia......
[03:28:16] <bobh> bobh is now known as rayh
[03:29:05] <rayh> That's better, eh.
[03:29:23] <rayh> What two kernels is paul compiling side by side?
[03:30:19] <paul_c> & 2.4.27
[03:30:46] <SteveStallings> Athlon test cases?
[03:31:21] <rayh> You know I've got 4.08 running on athalon here and running a Sherline box.
[03:32:20] <danfalck> hi ray
[03:32:40] <SteveStallings> Ray, did you hear the question about your preference for NIST trip before or after NAMES?
[03:33:31] <rayh> I'm thinking. I'm thinking. To quote George Burns.
[03:33:55] <rayh> What about your logistics, Steve?
[03:34:25] <SteveStallings> Either works, I'm almost local to NIST.
[03:34:26] <rayh> I don't know. I guess I'd rather short Names by driving sunday to DC rather than the other way round.
[03:34:55] <jmkasunich> so you'd prefer after NAMES? Paul said the same, everybody elss had no preference
[03:34:55] <rayh> But the issue is getting from detroit to DC.
[03:35:06] <rayh> We talking about 10 hours?
[03:35:11] <jmkasunich> bout that
[03:35:50] <jmkasunich> no, it shouldn't be that long
[03:35:57] <rayh> NAMES closes at 4 Sunday. Get to Nist at 2
[03:36:07] <jmkasunich> I did a mapquest from my home to NIST, it was 5-1/2 hours
[03:36:10] <rayh> 12 then.
[03:36:15] <jmkasunich> NAMES is about 3 from me
[03:36:23] <jmkasunich> so 8-1/2 from NAMES to NIST
[03:36:34] <SteveStallings> I had not considered the idea that NIST would be the very next or previous day. I will be in Columbus on Friday and dead on Monday.
[03:36:42] <rayh> I should be able to make that in 7 if the fuzz isn't watching.
[03:37:09] <jmkasunich> much of it is PA turnpike - they'll be watching
[03:37:36] <rayh> Would we want a week between?
[03:37:51] <rayh> How long do we want at NIST?
[03:38:10] <jmkasunich> we will only be allowed to be there 7am-7pm, mon-fri
[03:38:13] <SteveStallings> Well NIST must host during weekdays.
[03:38:24] <jmkasunich> no late night debugging sessions (unless at a hotel room)
[03:38:37] <jmkasunich> I'd be game for a full week
[03:38:47] <rayh> That woluld work for me if we all get near one another.
[03:38:48] <jmkasunich> but could live with as little as three days
[03:38:57] <jmkasunich> less than three would be a waste, IMO
[03:39:01] <SteveStallings> Maybe Thurs/Friday after. Then hard core could lurk off to MD or VA over the weekend.
[03:39:49] <rayh> Or M-th before
[03:40:06] <jmkasunich> if NIST was willing to give us Mon-Fri, I'd take it... not everybody has to be there the whole time... I can understand that Steve will be toasted after NAMES - the first day will be mostly about getting set up and planning anyway
[03:40:38] <rayh> Being a real estate agent perhaps Matt could get us an empty house for the stay. We could "animal house" the whole time.
[03:40:49] <jmkasunich> lol
[03:41:07] <jmkasunich> if he could do that, we don't need NIST!
[03:41:15] <SteveStallings> Matt's house is an animal house, lots of cats....
[03:41:57] <rayh> I suspect we'd be a bit much for the stately Shaver's.
[03:42:18] <jmkasunich> I'd rather have a hotel room within a short distance from NIST
[03:42:37] <SteveStallings> Not really hinting at that. Hotels make more sense, just expensive in our area.
[03:42:39] <jmkasunich> don't want an hour commute each way (Matt is probably more than an hour from NIST, right?)
[03:42:49] <jmkasunich> even the likes of Motel 6?
[03:43:09] <rayh> Monday -Friday before would be okay with me. We'd just have to plan ahead for those going to NAMES.
[03:43:33] <SteveStallings> Well, it may be OK if you go away from the city instead of towards it.
[03:43:36] <jmkasunich> before better than after?
[03:43:49] <rayh> How bad would that cramp your style, Steve?
[03:44:45] <SteveStallings> After works better for me because I am always in a panic getting ready for NAMES.
[03:45:03] <jmkasunich> SteveStallings: how far is your home from NIST?
[03:45:22] <SteveStallings> 1.5 hours in rush hour
[03:45:23] <jmkasunich> you might just want to go home from NAMES, crash, and show up at NIST on Tues
[03:46:12] <SteveStallings> I will likely go home, pop into the office, then head up to NIST.
[03:46:35] <jmkasunich> hmmm... motel 6 is only 0.4 miles from NIST
[03:46:59] <SteveStallings> Check the rates at that one, and then others up I270 a ways.
[03:47:12] <rayh> After would also be fine for me.
[03:47:47] <jmkasunich> 57.99 per night, one person
[03:48:01] <rayh> I seem to remember staying at Red Roof Inn and it was $100+
[03:48:02] <SteveStallings> I like it, things would be ironed out by the time I get there.
[03:48:35] <rayh> Sounds like motel 6 is it. Sure that's not the 4 hour cialis special?
[03:48:48] <jmkasunich> paul warned me that RedRoof was near the train tracks
[03:50:25] <rayh> Right and my room was on em.
[03:52:28] <rayh> I doubt that motel 6 has a meeting room.
[03:53:14] <jmkasunich> probably not
[03:53:28] <jmkasunich> "free coffee in the morning in the lobby" ;-)
[03:55:56] <rayh> Are we agreed that after NAMES. Starting Monday morning at NIST and primary motel is 6?
[03:56:52] <jmkasunich> sounds good for a start
[03:57:03] <jmkasunich> gotta make sure those dates work with Fred and NIST
[03:57:26] <rayh> Good. Let's try to float such a meeting.
[03:58:33] <SteveStallings> Good for me.
[03:58:42] <jmkasunich> once I hear from Fred I'll post on the dev list
[03:58:57] <jmkasunich> I wasn't planning on announcing on the users list
[03:59:14] <rayh> Good deal. I'll get a note out to users about Roland's event and our participating.
[03:59:37] <jmkasunich> Motel 6 has some stuff about group rates... perhaps I should look into it
[04:00:09] <rayh> Do. We've got a bit of time to see how many are interested. Count me in.
[04:01:07] <jmkasunich> group rates are for 10 rooms and up, but the people pay individually, so we don't have to worry about one individual getting stuck holding the bag
[04:01:22] <jmkasunich> you have to call them for details
[04:02:59] <rayh> That sounds good.
[04:05:55] <jmkasunich> getting late here (for a workday)... time for bed
[04:06:09] <jmkasunich> I'll follow up when I hear from Fred (or poke him if I don't)
[04:06:31] <SteveStallings> Obitz.com claims to have a special at $68 for Sleep Inn in Gaithersburg, nothing else is even close in price.
[04:07:04] <SteveStallings> Oops, make that Rockville
[04:07:56] <rayh> I've gotta get going also. Let's talk a bit about invitations next Sunday.
[04:07:58] <jmkasunich> I was just reading some fine print at the motel 6 site... the rate doesn't include taxes
[04:08:22] <paul_c> do they ever ?
[04:08:25] <rayh> 11-17%
[04:08:39] <rayh> Still not bad.
[04:08:46] <jmkasunich> so 57.99 becomes about 65
[04:09:55] <jmkasunich> $260 for Mon-Thrus nights
[04:10:06] <jmkasunich> (assuming driving monday morning)
[04:11:37] <rayh> jmkasunich: You want to pass this by Matt also.
[04:12:05] <jmkasunich> you mean before it hits the list?
[04:12:58] <rayh> Perhaps while we are waiting for Fred P.
[04:13:19] <jmkasunich> ok,I'll send him a mail either tonight or tomorrow
[04:13:33] <rayh> Tell him he can share my room as usual.
[04:13:53] <rayh> If he needs a place.
[04:14:09] <jmkasunich> ok
[04:14:29] <jmkasunich> do you know if he still reads the erols email addy?
[04:14:48] <rayh> Yep.
[04:17:27] <rayh> Time to bake bread.
[04:17:50] <SteveStallings> Time to saw logs, later....
[04:25:41] <jmkasunich> email top Matt posted... bedtime
[04:29:02] <paul_c> Time to hit the sack for a couple of hours.
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[05:08:19] <asdfqwega> Hm...maybe I should just bring a tent and camp in the bushes
[08:03:54] <alex_joni> good morning
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[08:30:24] <alex_joni> meep?
[08:30:55] <A-L-P-H-A> beep
[08:31:02] <alex_joni> gmorning
[08:31:16] <A-L-P-H-A> it's 3:30am here. :)
[08:31:31] <A-L-P-H-A> and I'm trying to watch TV, and fall asleep... with the laptop on my bed...
[08:32:16] <alex_joni> coo
[08:32:25] <alex_joni> I like late hours myself...
[08:32:33] <alex_joni> but.. I hate myself for that in the morning
[08:32:59] <A-L-P-H-A> yup... I'm gonna turn in now... or at least try to.. and wake for 10am [try again]
[08:33:01] <A-L-P-H-A> later
[08:33:15] <alex_joni> yup... later
[08:48:53] <anonimasu> hey
[08:48:58] <anonimasu> alex_joni: P was already set to 1000
[08:49:33] <alex_joni> anon: was a thought
[08:50:35] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[08:50:51] <alex_joni> no idea what happens...
[08:50:55] <alex_joni> did you try emc2?
[08:51:10] <anonimasu> no
[08:51:43] <anonimasu> is it ready enough to make parts with?
[08:51:49] <alex_joni> sure
[08:52:06] <anonimasu> I'll bring some rj45 home and hook the box up :)
[08:52:24] <anonimasu> and install it this afternoon
[08:52:35] <anonimasu> or maybe night.. depends if I get time
[08:52:40] <alex_joni> emc2 should be enough for making parts
[08:52:54] <alex_joni> what still is missing is IO (coolant, lube, spindle control)
[08:53:04] <alex_joni> but you can use start/stop on the spindle
[08:53:13] <alex_joni> can't controll the speed thou
[08:53:53] <anonimasu> :) that's not important yet
[08:54:23] <anonimasu> I need to mill some coolant blocks first.. :)
[08:55:56] <alex_joni> if the user is there (you)... I might be able to code the stuff up
[08:56:02] <alex_joni> if you get to test it ;)
[08:56:08] <alex_joni> as I have no mill here ;)
[08:57:59] <anonimasu> :)
[08:58:48] <anonimasu> what I mostly care about is the possibility to run cam since none of the stuff I play with is somthing I'd write by hand :)
[08:59:21] <alex_joni> I did find a few programs for cam, and gcode output
[08:59:55] <alex_joni> ace, gCAD3D
[09:00:18] <alex_joni> sheetcam (windows version, beta-version)
[09:00:31] <anonimasu> I use visualmill
[09:00:37] <anonimasu> so I guess I could write a post easily..
[09:00:50] <anonimasu> visualmill/mastercam..
[09:03:16] <anonimasu> but well that wont help if I cant get the machine running :)
[09:03:38] <alex_joni> did you try to hook a scope to it?
[09:03:59] <anonimasu> not yet
[09:05:42] <anonimasu> didnt feel too well so I went to bed :)
[09:05:57] <anonimasu> I cant take any test cuts without getting the mill running
[09:06:14] <anonimasu> oh the cable.. no..
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[09:29:17] <alex_joni> * alex_joni will be back later
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[12:06:44] <alex_joni> CIA has some activities today...
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[12:52:44] <alex_joni> hello paul_C
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[13:45:31] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is bored...
[13:45:44] <alex_joni> paul_c: any luck finding that rtai-problem?
[13:47:48] <paul_c> No - Not had time.
[13:48:57] <alex_joni> bummer... any idea when it appears?
[13:49:28] <paul_c> nope.
[13:49:28] <alex_joni> I haven't seen it so far...
[13:50:12] <paul_c> just start EMC up and home an axis.
[13:50:38] <alex_joni> only on athlon? or any processor?
[13:50:58] <paul_c> any processr.
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[14:10:53] <alex_joni> hello asdfqwega
[14:16:36] <paul_c> alex_joni: Turn off your away flag.
[14:17:10] <alex_joni> sorry..forgot about that
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[14:54:02] <les> hello all
[14:54:12] <anonimasu> hello
[14:54:18] <alex_joni> hi les
[14:54:26] <les> Paul: checked stg watchdog function
[14:54:53] <les> all that is required to keep it from timing out is writes to the card
[14:54:57] <anonimasu> les: what's the difference between wood tools and toold for milling metal?
[14:55:14] <anonimasu> and can you mill wood with metal cutters ?
[14:55:17] <anonimasu> ^_^
[14:55:55] <les> anon: the difference is rake and clearance angles
[14:56:08] <anonimasu> hm, ok
[14:56:13] <les> you can mill wood with metal toos
[14:56:17] <les> tools
[14:56:24] <anonimasu> I've got some molds to make that's going to be used one time..
[14:56:47] <les> performance and surface finish might not be as good but it will work
[14:57:01] <anonimasu> I'll have to hand prepare them anyway..
[14:57:16] <anonimasu> but fibreglass + wood is better then fibreglass and foam
[14:57:18] <anonimasu> :)
[14:57:22] <les> make with ball end mill?
[14:57:42] <anonimasu> I'll mill em with a normal one.. I
[14:57:56] <anonimasu> I can do so small stepover that you cant feel the ridges..
[14:58:02] <anonimasu> :)
[14:58:10] <les> use a 2 flute if you can
[14:58:14] <anonimasu> the ball endmills i have are very tiny.. and short
[14:58:34] <anonimasu> I might have some 2 flute endmills somwhere
[14:59:10] <les> Paul: is there any instance where emc is running and it is not continually writing to the stg?
[14:59:21] <anonimasu> but well, I am not going to mill that today..
[14:59:27] <anonimasu> too tired :/
[14:59:47] <les> I'll be tired too later
[15:00:00] <paul_c> les: At startup before you come out of e-stop & machine-On.
[15:00:32] <alex_joni> anon: got your mill running?
[15:00:34] <les> right now having to change a tool path to compensate for wood shrinkage
[15:01:12] <anonimasu> alex_joni: no been off work half day sick
[15:01:25] <alex_joni> cool
[15:01:29] <les> Paul: So that is the only place where a loop with some write would be needed?
[15:02:10] <alex_joni> les: or initialize the watchdog when switching the machine on
[15:02:17] <alex_joni> not from the beginning
[15:02:27] <anonimasu> that would seem a bit dangerous
[15:02:28] <anonimasu> :)
[15:02:42] <paul_c> Would need to check the code - There is some hooks for watchdog timers that can be expanded on.
[15:04:13] <les> hmm writing a 0 to the wdtout bit of cntrl1 register might do it
[15:04:24] <les> not sure if it's latched
[15:05:03] <les> ah...it is
[15:06:05] <anonimasu> les: the reason I asked about the tools is hwo does speed/feed compare to milling metal?
[15:06:09] <anonimasu> err how..
[15:06:45] <les> speed/feed is much higher with wood tools
[15:07:00] <les> higher than your spindle will go prob
[15:07:37] <anonimasu> yeah probably
[15:07:54] <les> Oh...writing a zero STARTS the timer
[15:08:22] <les> so that must be done when coming out of initial estop
[15:08:25] <anonimasu> i'll be back later need to rest
[15:08:33] <les> ok anon
[15:08:56] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I might make a test cut, if I manage to get my father to grab the scope.. unless he's home already
[15:09:00] <les> where is that...emcmot?
[15:09:51] <anonimasu> yep, he'll bring it off my desk :)
[15:10:19] <les> need to find the switch() that looks for estop off
[15:10:20] <anonimasu> anyways bbl..
[15:10:40] <alex_joni> les: estop off is in io-controller
[15:10:45] <alex_joni> bridgeportaux.cc
[15:10:47] <alex_joni> but
[15:10:52] <alex_joni> you can also hook in emcmot
[15:11:29] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is looking
[15:12:07] <les> Paul thinks there is something in there already
[15:12:14] <anonimasu> alex_joni: is there anything like a deb off emc2 ?
[15:12:32] <alex_joni> anon: the BDI4.08 is deb based
[15:12:40] <alex_joni> and paul_c has a repository with all the stuff
[15:12:56] <anonimasu> the box isnt connected to the net
[15:13:15] <anonimasu> I thought about getting all stuff and moving it on a ce
[15:13:16] <anonimasu> cd
[15:13:25] <alex_joni> get emc2 from CVS
[15:13:32] <alex_joni> and burn it onto a CD
[15:13:37] <anonimasu> ok
[15:15:28] <anonimasu> what's the password for cvs?
[15:15:52] <paul_c> anonymous ?
[15:16:02] <alex_joni> les: there is a wdEnabled
[15:16:05] <anonimasu> (an0n)[/home/an0n/EMC]$ cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/emc login
[15:16:08] <anonimasu> Logging in to :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:2401/cvsroot/emc
[15:16:10] <anonimasu> CVS password:
[15:16:14] <alex_joni> that's ok
[15:16:16] <alex_joni> just hit Enter
[15:16:20] <paul_c> press return
[15:16:44] <anonimasu> dosent hm, ah must have written somthing the first time i tried it
[15:17:23] <alex_joni> les: the watchdog code in emcmot is for a soundcard based watchdog !?
[15:17:47] <anonimasu> ah it's downloading nicely now
[15:18:28] <les> alex: right...looking at that now
[15:24:11] <anonimasu> hm, I should try grabbing a copy of fvwm2 to the mill box aswell
[15:24:19] <anonimasu> kde isnt fun on a 200mhz box
[15:25:14] <alex_joni> anon: I use windowmaker on a 300 Geode (kinda 233 pentium) and it works ok
[15:25:21] <les> well better get out to the shop
[15:25:31] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yeah but it's not as heavy as kde..
[15:25:33] <les> will ponder this watchdog later
[15:25:46] <anonimasu> alex_joni: the task switching with kde is horrid.. it's still images..
[15:26:11] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I am fvwm2 freak :) it's the fastest there is almost..
[15:27:02] <anonimasu> * anonimasu have never heard about geode
[15:27:30] <paul_c> Yo Fred
[15:27:41] <anonimasu> my millbox is a pII 200 with 320mb ram :)
[15:27:43] <proctor> Hi Paul, Wow, how exciting this IRC is!
[15:27:52] <paul_c> first time ?
[15:28:00] <proctor> I've been emailing John K about an EMC code-fest here at NIST.
[15:28:22] <proctor> And this is my second time, if you count the time I spent with Les Watts in Georgia.
[15:29:07] <paul_c> We were bouncing a few dates around last night
[15:29:11] <alex_joni> anon: it's a compact processor from National Semiconductors
[15:29:16] <les> hi fred!
[15:29:18] <anonimasu> alex_joni: ok :)
[15:29:28] <proctor> John suggested the week after NAMES for the code-fest, which would be April 25-28, Mon-Thu.
[15:29:52] <paul_c> * paul_c suggested the week after NAMES
[15:30:10] <proctor> I have been emailing John K, but we should move this to the EMC developer's mail list.
[15:30:49] <paul_c> Holding a Fest at your place is OK is it ?
[15:31:10] <proctor> Yes, it's OK. I have alerted our IT people and we should have Internet connex for everyone.
[15:31:31] <proctor> I will need to badge in the attendees, and will need company name and address for you non-US citizens.
[15:32:24] <proctor> Visitors should be in after 7:00 am, out before 7:00 pm, so no coding to midnight unless I'm around as the "escort".
[15:32:51] <paul_c> nail you to the door ?
[15:33:01] <les> heh
[15:33:05] <anonimasu> ^_^
[15:33:06] <proctor> I'll get a life-size cutout.
[15:33:58] <cradek> this sounds fun. I hope I can make it.
[15:34:08] <paul_c> Hopefully I can nail this 2.6.9 related bug before then...
[15:34:09] <proctor> I suggested to John K that we get an agenda set up ASAP so I'll be able to prepare.
[15:34:50] <proctor> Presumably there is a list of things to be accomplished; support for lathes comes to mind.
[15:34:52] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wishes he could make it too...
[15:35:16] <paul_c> Would there be any chance of some big iron to test code on ?
[15:35:42] <proctor> I have a Bridgeport servo mill that I'll resuscitate. I also have small iron, the Sherline mill.
[15:36:01] <proctor> And the Sherline lathe the students worked on.
[15:36:04] <anonimasu> very neat
[15:36:07] <paul_c> the BP still wired to an STG card ?
[15:36:08] <cradek> I would bring my homemade mill if I drive
[15:36:27] <proctor> The BP is on an STG card. I have a Vigilent on my chair here but I have not hooked it up.
[15:37:04] <paul_c> * paul_c makes a note to pack an STG card with the luggable computer.
[15:37:49] <paul_c> While I think of it....
[15:38:16] <paul_c> Do you recall that Qt GUI you were working on when I visited ?
[15:38:48] <proctor> We did a Qt GUI for another project, but I never wrote one for EMC.
[15:39:36] <paul_c> A cable platform as I recall...
[15:40:04] <alex_joni> the robocrane?
[15:40:19] <proctor> Yes, it was a large cable robot used for depainting KC-130 aircraft. We used Qt Embedded on a PC-104 with Linux/RTAI.
[15:40:31] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has to leave for 10 minutes..
[15:40:45] <paul_c> was there any plans to release the code for it ?
[15:41:05] <paul_c> Interested in the NML<=>Qt hooks
[15:41:39] <proctor> The code is public domain. Will Shackleford has the latest version. I'll ask him about Qt-NML hooks. I don't know that we did this since the controller was not an EMC.
[15:41:55] <proctor> Will just did a port of NML to Python also.
[15:42:19] <paul_c> That will interest jepler & cradek
[15:42:31] <cradek> nah, ours is done
[15:43:03] <cradek> but it does only exactly the things needed for the gui
[15:43:06] <proctor> Now that I think about it, can't you just link in the RCS library with your Qt code? Qt is C++-based and you should just get the NML functions directly.
[15:43:31] <proctor> For cradek: how did you get Python and NML integrated?
[15:44:01] <cradek> link an extension with emc libraries
[15:44:46] <cradek> it gives a stat channel, error channel, command channel in python
[15:45:41] <proctor> Will did the same thing, I think; he made some association of string names to NML format functions, so it was a bit cumbersome to support multiple NML vocabularies.
[15:46:08] <proctor> Chris, did you do a PyTk GUI?
[15:46:19] <cradek> jepler and I did, yes
[15:46:33] <cradek> http://axis.unpy.net
[15:47:08] <cradek> click "about" on the left for screenshots
[15:47:13] <proctor> OK, thanks, that looks nice. I'll have a look and let Will know.
[15:49:25] <proctor> OK, got to go, meeting at 11 EST and 10 minutes to prep...
[15:53:31] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back
[16:10:18] <alex_joni> les: is homing working now?
[16:17:37] <CIA-temp956> CIA-temp956 is now known as CIA-9
[18:07:27] <anonimasu> iab
[19:32:28] <anonimasu> hm, emc2 wouldnt compile..
[19:32:38] <anonimasu> need to get that net connection out so I can grab the deps for tk..
[19:32:42] <anonimasu> tk-dev
[19:37:34] <paul_c> which distro ?
[19:48:22] <anonimasu> bdi-somthing
[19:48:25] <anonimasu> I have no idea what it was
[19:48:42] <anonimasu> the kernel is 2.6.9-adeos
[19:49:34] <anonimasu> it seems to lack some deps
[19:55:00] <paul_c> bdi-4.08
[19:55:44] <paul_c> You need kernel-headers, tcl8.4-dev, tk8.4-dev, and a few others....
[19:56:37] <paul_c> Oh, and a set of make fies - But there is nothing in the main emc2 tree that will compile against a 2.6 kernel yet.
[20:06:41] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[20:10:46] <paul_c> The alternative is to download the Developer's Toolkit CD when it becomes available.
[20:13:45] <anonimasu> hm when's that?
[20:14:21] <A-L-P-H-A> I saw this show yesterday called "how it's made", and one of the topics was endmills. The process of making HSS or Tungstun Carbide endmills is really need.
[20:14:27] <paul_c> another 6-8 weeks at the earliest.
[20:14:32] <anonimasu> bleh..
[20:14:37] <A-L-P-H-A> need=neat
[20:14:41] <anonimasu> that's way too slow..
[20:14:55] <paul_c> * paul_c is leaving the country tonight.
[20:15:02] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c, where too?
[20:15:23] <paul_c> USA
[20:15:23] <A-L-P-H-A> if you're coming to Toronto, let me buy you a beer. :)
[20:15:28] <A-L-P-H-A> evil... nm then.
[20:16:05] <anonimasu> paul_c: wont emc2 compile with all deps satisfied and another kernel?
[20:16:13] <paul_c> Toronto is buired under snow at the moment isn't it ?
[20:16:25] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... if I put a 16mm OD dia bearing in the freezer for a few hours... think it'll shrink 0.02mm?
[20:16:43] <anonimasu> warm the part also, and you will be lucky..
[20:16:47] <A-L-P-H-A> paul_c... well. yes. it's quiet beautiful. it's under 6" of snow. which I just shoveled.
[20:16:50] <paul_c> anonimasu: Any RT patched kernel from 2.2.xx or 2.4.xx series.
[20:16:56] <anonimasu> although 0.02 sounds pretty much :)
[20:17:08] <anonimasu> paul_c: ah, well then I'll just have to get a rj45 out into the shop
[20:17:12] <paul_c> A-L-P-H-A: Way too cold for me.
[20:17:20] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, the part is Al 6061. The bearing really needs to be 0.01mm down in size...
[20:17:40] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: yeah but alu expands more then bearings shrink..
[20:17:59] <A-L-P-H-A> toaster oven for the part AL6061 ~350oF? and freeze the bearing?
[20:18:05] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:18:09] <A-L-P-H-A> or should I get some dryice? [where now do I buy dry ice?]
[20:18:12] <anonimasu> although I dont know if you'd need it that warm..
[20:18:31] <anonimasu> I've turned parts you could warm by hand until the bearing went into them.. :)
[20:18:35] <A-L-P-H-A> I've got an arbor which I could just _PRESS_ them together.
[20:18:54] <anonimasu> cool the bearing heat the part a little bit..
[20:19:02] <paul_c> anonimasu: Have a 2.4.27-adeos kernel & rtai package built - But haven't tested them yet...
[20:19:22] <anonimasu> nice
[20:19:25] <A-L-P-H-A> so what distro will the next BDI come out on next?
[20:19:33] <anonimasu> I can dualboot so it's no big deal really
[20:19:38] <anonimasu> other then getting network outside
[20:19:53] <paul_c> I'm committed to Debian for all current work.
[20:20:04] <anonimasu> debian's good.. since upgrading is easy
[20:20:28] <paul_c> No more RedHat/Mandrake/SuSE rpm dependency nightmares..
[20:20:33] <anonimasu> yep
[20:21:28] <anonimasu> well, you dont need lots of deps and stuff for a mill :)
[20:22:37] <anonimasu> how does the performance of emc/emc2 compare aginst some commercial controllers?
[20:23:01] <paul_c> if it were just EMC that people wanted to run after a BDI install, many of the extras could be left out...
[20:23:26] <anonimasu> well, as long as emc isnt production stable.. it's desireable..
[20:23:45] <anonimasu> my oppinion is that the controller of the mill should be dedicated to just doing that :9
[20:23:48] <anonimasu> :)
[20:24:11] <anonimasu> maybe some integrated cad/cam/online programming in the interface like I think fanuc has..
[20:24:48] <anonimasu> I think it's fanuc, I saw somthing like it at a shop over here
[20:25:34] <anonimasu> they loaded a igs and just programmed the operations online... at the panel..
[20:25:47] <anonimasu> selecting a hole and mask on arc...
[20:26:12] <paul_c> When comparing EMC to other systems, do you mean off the shelf products from the likes oh Heidenhain & Fanuc, or hobby level products like Mach (and it's ilk) ?
[20:40:00] <A-L-P-H-A> GREAT! start_wp() is depricated. But what's replaced it?
[20:40:09] <A-L-P-H-A> oops, wrong chan
[20:41:31] <anonimasu> paul_c: fanuc..
[20:41:37] <anonimasu> paul_c: or haas..
[20:41:45] <anonimasu> paul_c: or any other commercial controller
[20:43:37] <paul_c> Not fair to give a comparision - Most high end controls don't use comodity PC for motion control.
[20:44:16] <paul_c> If they use a PC at all, it would generally be for file IO and HMI.
[20:45:28] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, think putting the part into boiling water would be good enough?
[20:46:22] <cradek> your toaster oven can get much hotter than boiling water
[20:46:35] <A-L-P-H-A> k, toaster over it is then.
[20:46:58] <cradek> and most real ovens can get up near 600F
[20:47:10] <cradek> (not that you need that)
[20:47:24] <anonimasu> :)
[20:49:56] <anonimasu> paul_c: I thought they used pc's with controller cards..
[20:51:52] <anonimasu> still I am curious
[20:52:11] <anonimasu> paul_c: I am talking about emc + stg/vital
[20:53:18] <anonimasu> with a fast computer..
[20:55:05] <paul_c> 'bout the only thing that springs to mind would be something like OpenCNC
[20:55:24] <anonimasu> what's that?
[20:55:45] <anonimasu> ah I've seen it..
[20:56:52] <paul_c> EMC is the only package available that is truely open source.
[20:57:04] <anonimasu> paul_c: I was more concerned about servo cycle time
[20:58:10] <paul_c> never used OpenCNC or any of the latest controllers from Fanuc et al.
[20:58:14] <anonimasu> if you can compare that
[20:58:34] <anonimasu> featurewise dosent matter that much
[21:04:02] <paul_c> let's have a look at the opencnc spec sheets...
[21:05:07] <paul_c> 1,500 blocks per sec... 500uSec or less for 10 axis.
[21:05:43] <anonimasu> ok:)
[21:05:51] <paul_c> max program size: 4Gigs (limited by available memory)
[21:06:46] <anonimasu> yep
[21:07:08] <paul_c> adaptive look-ahead
[21:07:20] <anonimasu> does emc have that?
[21:07:28] <paul_c> nope
[21:07:37] <anonimasu> will it have it in the future?
[21:08:16] <paul_c> If someone wants it bad enough, maybe.
[21:08:51] <anonimasu> does emc have lookahead?`
[21:09:06] <paul_c> now compare the price.
[21:09:10] <gezr> hello folks
[21:10:00] <anonimasu> paul_c: I dont care for the price really.. :)
[21:10:08] <anonimasu> fanuc wanted to sell me a system for 5000eur
[21:10:14] <anonimasu> + 1000 eur per axis..
[21:10:22] <gezr> I dont belive that
[21:10:24] <anonimasu> for my hobby mill.
[21:10:33] <gezr> ive seen fanuc charge over 5k for a simple upgrade
[21:10:52] <anonimasu> gezr: that was the cheapest.
[21:10:54] <gezr> fagor would be the cheapest or least expensive route to go
[21:11:33] <paul_c> http://www.low-cost-cnc.com/ll_shortoverview.html
[21:12:03] <paul_c> 2200Eur for the base package
[21:12:10] <cradek> what's adaptive lookahead?
[21:13:14] <paul_c> A high speed machining stratagy that adjusts feedrate and tolerances acording to a set of rules.
[21:13:53] <paul_c> for example - Want max feed rates, but can tolerate =/- 10thou
[21:14:07] <paul_c> for roughing cuts.
[21:14:10] <anonimasu> I'll be back in a sec..
[21:15:15] <paul_c> but for finishing cuts where you need close tolerances and can afford lower feedrates
[21:15:32] <gezr> ah Fred was on earlier
[21:15:36] <paul_c> then the control will adjust to suit the rues.
[21:27:13] <anonimasu> iab
[21:34:29] <gezr> anonimasu : so fanuc gave you a good quote hu? thats a really good price for one of their packages thats for sure
[21:45:15] <gezr> paul_c : I finished lapping the valves last night :)
[21:50:01] <paul_c> now to shim the valve clearances...
[21:51:33] <gezr> time to buy some service manuals :)
[21:51:50] <gezr> I had mabye 4 good seats, the rest required quite some work
[21:53:04] <anonimasu> gezr: lol.. 1000eur per axis isnt good..
[21:53:09] <gezr> after blueing, I had an acceptable closure, the pits seemed to be clear of each other, so I felt that was adequate, and when holding the valve up by hand, no alcohol was able to pass
[21:53:13] <gezr> anonimasu : its not?
[21:53:20] <anonimasu> gezr: it's for a hobby mill
[21:53:24] <gezr> for a comercial control its damn good
[21:53:29] <anonimasu> gezr: I dont mind spending excessive money..
[21:53:46] <gezr> anonimasu : well hobby and comercial are different ballparks, hobby is cause you can, comercial is cause you need to
[21:53:50] <paul_c> gezr: Track down a Clymer K100 manual.
[21:54:04] <gezr> paul_c : you think I wont need a technical manual, 100 bucks new
[21:54:32] <gezr> paul_c : a new clymer is 34$ so thats not too bad, ive seen em used on ebay recently in the 20s
[21:54:34] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[21:54:44] <gezr> anonimasu : sigh?
[21:54:50] <anonimasu> I just want a good controller that will let me run stuff form my cam program..
[21:54:57] <anonimasu> at perferably very high speed..
[21:55:23] <gezr> anonimasu : how high is high ?
[21:55:30] <paul_c> gezr: The Clymer has all the info you will ever need... The genuine BMW manuals are just too expensive.
[21:55:45] <anonimasu> gezr: perferably as fast as my servos will go.. :)
[21:56:00] <gezr> paul_c : thats what I was thinking, I may have found a better parts supplier, they ahve a photo of what im rebuilding
[21:56:09] <gezr> http://www.autobahn-craftwerks.com/BMWK100.html
[21:56:10] <anonimasu> I have no idea how many mm/min that will be
[21:56:16] <gezr> my faring is long destroyed
[21:56:19] <anonimasu> the ballscrew is a 5mm screw..
[21:56:27] <anonimasu> and the gearing is 4:1
[21:56:46] <gezr> anonimasu : emc should be able to provide you with what your after
[21:56:58] <gezr> maybe im wrong
[21:57:02] <anonimasu> the encoders are 1000 line encoders..
[21:57:40] <gezr> paul_c : that picture almost makes me want to cry, thats the same donalite green as mine too
[21:58:14] <gezr> anonimasu : how many hp, does your spindle have?
[21:58:24] <anonimasu> gezr: right now 2
[21:58:38] <anonimasu> soon to be 5
[21:58:49] <gezr> anonimasu : on a bridgeport iron type machine?
[21:58:52] <anonimasu> nope..
[21:59:05] <anonimasu> bench mill..
[21:59:43] <gezr> anonimasu : have you seen a modern control working in high speed mode?
[21:59:51] <gezr> comercial type that is
[22:00:19] <anonimasu> not very much..
[22:00:25] <gezr> I guess a small diameter cutter could really really fly
[22:00:31] <anonimasu> just a bit at a shop over here..
[22:00:32] <gezr> anonimasu : its awsome
[22:00:37] <anonimasu> yep..
[22:01:10] <anonimasu> well, the limit right now is the speed which my computer can output to the geckos..
[22:01:30] <anonimasu> but they are to be replaces by a vital card....
[22:02:01] <gezr> thats gonna give you a considerable increase in performance I guess, I dont know much about the i/o cards
[22:02:27] <anonimasu> oh, just to move the pid to emc instead..
[22:02:30] <gezr> anonimasu : you will find that you will be able to drive your machine at an unsafe speed because of the machine
[22:02:41] <anonimasu> hm..
[22:02:43] <anonimasu> :p
[22:03:04] <anonimasu> how fast mm/min can I expect?
[22:03:37] <gezr> I dont know, but pending cutting tools and such 200ipm is gonna be super fast
[22:04:13] <gezr> even at that, you ahve to take into considerations as far as hp, machine stiffness, stuff like that
[22:04:20] <anonimasu> 200*2.5
[22:04:42] <gezr> total of 200ipm
[22:04:46] <anonimasu> 5m/min
[22:04:54] <gezr> thats about right
[22:05:09] <anonimasu> the most I've been running right now is 1000mm/min
[22:05:10] <gezr> thats the rapid speed of the machine i run at work
[22:05:35] <anonimasu> :)
[22:05:38] <gezr> 200ipm, ive ran machines that cut at that speed
[22:05:46] <gezr> the one Im on now is a year old
[22:05:50] <anonimasu> I guess I dont need that kind of extreme speed..
[22:06:06] <anonimasu> although I love watching when it's going fast..
[22:06:18] <gezr> yeah you do, ifyour using a .25mm endmill, wacking away at a block of aluminum
[22:06:27] <anonimasu> light cuts and very fast speed.. for roughing
[22:06:44] <gezr> for roughing?
[22:07:06] <gezr> tool life is baised on time, not so much depth of cut
[22:07:06] <anonimasu> or well, not too heavy ones..
[22:07:23] <anonimasu> I dont have good cooling yet..
[22:07:24] <anonimasu> :)
[22:07:47] <gezr> dry machining using coated carbide tooling or cermet type inserted endmills :)
[22:07:51] <anonimasu> alu becomes gummy pretty easily..
[22:07:59] <anonimasu> hehe
[22:08:03] <anonimasu> * anonimasu havent tried any of thoose
[22:08:14] <anonimasu> just dormer hss endmills..
[22:08:18] <anonimasu> and ghuring ones..
[22:08:26] <anonimasu> I think they are hss atleast..
[22:08:40] <paul_c> * paul_c loves his tcmt inserts
[22:08:47] <anonimasu> http://www.dormertools.com/sandvik/1831/Internet/GB04003.nsf/GenerateTopFrameset?ReadForm&menu=&view=http%3A//www.dormertools.com/sandvik/1831/Internet/gb04004.nsf/Alldocs/609194FC9F15C41580256B9E00300692&banner=/sandvik/1831/Internet/GB04003.nsf/LookupAdm/BannerForm%3FOpenDocument
[22:08:52] <gezr> anonimasu : seriously, if I had a choice, ide own a comercial machine, but I dont have that option nor budget, so anything that keeps me from turning a crank wins
[22:09:18] <anonimasu> endmills like that
[22:09:22] <gezr> cool
[22:09:31] <anonimasu> they are great
[22:10:01] <gezr> anonimasu : whats the smallest diameter tool you plan on using?
[22:10:09] <anonimasu> gezr: 2mm
[22:10:23] <anonimasu> maybe smaller..
[22:10:28] <anonimasu> it depends I guess
[22:11:18] <anonimasu> I tried milling some hardox 500 with one of thoose cutters....
[22:11:22] <gezr> alrighty, whats your spindles expected max rpm?
[22:11:23] <anonimasu> which should be way too hard :)
[22:11:40] <anonimasu> the spindle which I am looking at goes to 10000rpm
[22:11:53] <anonimasu> but with the belt that'll be a bit over that
[22:13:56] <gezr> a 2mm endmill at 10krpm in aluminum, with .002" depth of cut or chip load per tooth 4 flute needs to move at 80ipm
[22:14:08] <anonimasu> calc
[22:14:10] <anonimasu> whoops
[22:14:20] <anonimasu> 2m/min
[22:14:31] <gezr> depth of cut doesnt matter could be 0-max
[22:14:55] <anonimasu> hm, my machine could do that now..
[22:15:00] <anonimasu> although at 6x at the geckos..
[22:15:15] <gezr> you still dont have any where near the spindle speed to properly run that small a mill
[22:15:23] <gezr> small a tool
[22:15:31] <anonimasu> yeah :/
[22:15:52] <anonimasu> the speed I have now are about 3000rpm..
[22:16:08] <gezr> so your real limitation isnt the control
[22:16:35] <gezr> while fast is really neat, it comes at a high price that is incured long before a control is even considered
[22:17:09] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:17:54] <gezr> thats where emc comes in, you can spend a bit more on better spindle bearings and the likes, and use something that performs, have you tried the changes made to segmotqueue ?
[22:18:20] <anonimasu> emc wont run :)
[22:18:32] <gezr> :(
[22:18:37] <gezr> hmm
[22:18:45] <anonimasu> my step output dissapears when I run in the opposite direction
[22:18:50] <paul_c> AMD K7 processor ?
[22:18:53] <anonimasu> no
[22:18:55] <anonimasu> pII
[22:19:19] <gezr> something about that doesnt seem right,
[22:19:48] <anonimasu> http://www.solectro.se/Products/Product.asp?ItemId=726&SectionId=520
[22:19:51] <gezr> your saying emc runs but when you reverse direction, you dont get a step signal?
[22:20:14] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:20:18] <anonimasu> I get a direction signal..
[22:20:20] <anonimasu> but no step
[22:20:48] <anonimasu> somthing like that spindle motor
[22:21:00] <gezr> did you check the parellel ports configuration in the bios?
[22:21:14] <gezr> nevermind, im shooting in the dark
[22:21:26] <anonimasu> hm, you mean the address?
[22:21:30] <paul_c> bdi-4.08 install ?
[22:21:40] <anonimasu> yes
[22:21:41] <gezr> no not the address, im talking about ecc/epp modes stuff
[22:22:01] <anonimasu> ah no I didnt, but I've been using the port for running my mill with turbocnc earlier
[22:22:14] <anonimasu> might that be the problem?
[22:22:51] <gezr> are you booting emc from the hard drive?
[22:22:58] <anonimasu> yes
[22:22:59] <gezr> or using a vmware type thing?
[22:23:04] <anonimasu> I am booting it
[22:23:07] <paul_c> It is more likely a product of a bug I'm tracking in the homing sequence
[22:23:16] <gezr> cold or warm booting
[22:23:19] <anonimasu> both..
[22:23:25] <anonimasu> dosent make any difference
[22:24:15] <gezr> I dont know what to say
[22:24:19] <anonimasu> :/
[22:24:50] <anonimasu> I'll go out now and chech ECC/EPP.. on it..
[22:24:52] <paul_c> anonimasu: Can you email me a bug report & attach your ini file ?
[22:25:13] <anonimasu> paul_c: it's the one that follows with emc
[22:25:17] <anonimasu> unmodified..
[22:25:36] <anonimasu> setting up my axis:es and backslash dosent make any difference.. to it
[22:26:46] <gezr> and emc doesnt error, did you take your scope home like you were talking about?
[22:27:01] <anonimasu> yes
[22:27:41] <gezr> and on pin 3 when you reverse dir, the signal just stops?
[22:27:49] <gezr> i think thats X
[22:28:02] <anonimasu> I havent hooked up the scope..
[22:28:08] <anonimasu> I could go out and do it now
[22:28:12] <paul_c> gezr: Has nothing to do with X
[22:28:21] <anonimasu> it wouldnt take many minutes
[22:28:40] <paul_c> It is a bug - Probably in the parport driver that I had been hacking about.
[22:28:56] <gezr> oh
[22:29:02] <anonimasu> I can measure it and export you some logs of how it looks on the scope..
[22:29:34] <anonimasu> if you want :)
[22:29:46] <anonimasu> but that'll be when I get back from work tomorrow since it's night here now
[22:30:05] <gezr> anonimasu : I think Paul is saying its a bug to that version
[22:30:24] <anonimasu> gezr: ah.. so it's been solved, or still in the works?
[22:30:29] <paul_c> mail me what ever you can dig out - I'll take a look at the code and run some tests from this end.
[22:30:35] <gezr> anonimasu : I think he is working on it now
[22:30:40] <anonimasu> ah ok
[22:30:45] <anonimasu> what's your mail?
[22:31:04] <paul_c> bdi-emc @ ntlworld . com
[22:31:20] <anonimasu> ah ok
[22:31:28] <anonimasu> I'll get you them tomorrow after work
[22:31:37] <gezr> anonimasu : if you want, I could help you install emc from source this weekend
[22:32:39] <anonimasu> it'll be ok.. I've been running linux for a couple of years :)
[22:32:58] <paul_c> there's a choice of 2.4.27-adeos kernels in my local repository...
[22:33:25] <anonimasu> I'll try switching the computer tomorrow since I have a spare 600 laying around..
[22:33:30] <paul_c> That would save you the hassle of patching & compiling.
[22:34:05] <anonimasu> hm, that would be even nicer :)
[22:36:36] <paul_c> lemme upload them...
[22:36:39] <anonimasu> ok
[22:37:55] <Mer> hi,may i ask a question please
[22:38:09] <paul_c> shoot
[22:38:41] <Mer> how good does one need to know linux to be able to use emc?
[22:38:53] <acemi> is there a document about compiling kernel with adeos patch for debian sarge?
[22:39:00] <paul_c> Can you use M$ ?
[22:39:07] <Mer> yep
[22:39:22] <paul_c> You can use EMC and linux then.
[22:39:35] <Mer> thank you
[22:39:52] <cradek> √°and the support is better
[22:39:54] <paul_c> acemi: I don't know of any specific docs.
[22:40:28] <paul_c> Mer: Gogle for a local Linux User Group in Belgium
[22:40:45] <gezr> acemi : you can get pre patched kernel source in a .deb
[22:41:36] <paul_c> * paul_c will have a source package uploaded shortly.
[22:41:46] <acemi> i know but i want to try
[22:42:13] <gezr> I think its pretty simple
[22:42:32] <paul_c> patch -p1 < rtai.patch
[22:42:36] <anonimasu> yep
[22:42:37] <anonimasu> :)
[22:42:44] <gezr> acemi : standard patch -p0 < patchfile from with the top dir of your linux source tree I think
[22:42:53] <gezr> thats right -p1 my bad
[22:42:57] <paul_c> make-kpkg --revision foo binary
[22:43:20] <acemi> do i need make-kpkg --added-patch adeos ?
[22:43:22] <paul_c> and if you feel lucky....
[22:43:28] <paul_c> make-kpkg --revision foo modules
[22:43:49] <paul_c> * paul_c patches by hand...
[22:43:54] <acemi> hmm
[22:44:04] <gezr> wife is home whoo hoooo
[22:44:42] <paul_c> manually patch, then run "make configure" to ensure the correct options are used.
[22:45:18] <paul_c> tip: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95" make-kpkg
[22:46:03] <acemi> thanks
[22:46:10] <gezr> paul_c : yeah , I had to change everything back to 2.95
[22:55:44] <paul_c> kernel-image-2.4.27-adeos uploaded
[23:01:21] <paul_c> headers done...
[23:02:54] <anonimasu> :)
[23:24:08] <gezr> http://www.omsmotion.com/products/products_index.html
[23:24:19] <gezr> is that something emc uses or ?
[23:24:26] <paul_c> nuts.. run out of space.
[23:26:40] <paul_c> gezr: No... Although, if you wanted to program a driver, it could..
[23:30:56] <gezr> paul_c : you know I wish I could
[23:31:08] <gezr> I had to walk the dog, im looking at there stuff
[23:35:17] <gezr> hmm, it seems to be a complete solution thing, not an io card
[23:35:53] <paul_c> onboard DSP - It is going to be $$$ to boot.
[23:36:31] <gezr> yeah
[23:36:52] <gezr> I get a newsletter from motioncontrol.com and I just clicked through a link
[23:41:00] <gezr> paul_c : with emc, we dont need external processing all we really need is solid i/o right?
[23:41:33] <gezr> I mean there is much more involved, but since were providing the motion, all the card really needs to do is output the signal, not generate a path
[23:44:36] <paul_c> right - simple IO...
[23:47:02] <gezr> http://www.accesio.com/go.cgi?p=../pci/lpci-a16-16a.html
[23:47:14] <gezr> linux is mentioned on that page
[23:48:01] <gezr> that thing isnt cheap
[23:50:26] <gezr> http://www.accesio.com/go.cgi?p=../pci/lpci-a16-16a.html
[23:50:34] <gezr> that may be something les would be interested in
[23:50:42] <gezr> or anyone really
[23:51:28] <gezr> and coded into the emc so that, a final word per say could shut things down if something went wrong
[23:54:51] <paul_c> the STG card already has A2D on board
[23:55:05] <gezr> oh
[23:55:12] <gezr> im just looking about
[23:55:34] <gezr> im talking about a secondary watchdog
[23:55:44] <gezr> not the i/o
[23:56:06] <gezr> oh wiatits pretty much the smae line
[23:56:08] <gezr> err
[23:56:24] <gezr> same link, that acessio site has some watchdog type cards
[23:56:37] <gezr> my bad in pasting the same link twice
[23:58:40] <gezr> I dont feel very healthy today, somethign wrong with my ear, so im just relaxing and thinking