#emc | Logs for 2005-01-12

[00:00:00] <les> two words: FLIGHT MEDICAL
[00:00:38] <anonimasu> that sounds like valium..
[00:00:40] <anonimasu> :p
[00:01:16] <les> yeah...but get a prescription for that stuff here and you are grounded
[00:01:30] <les> (i'm a pilot)
[00:01:59] <anonimasu> for good?
[00:02:06] <anonimasu> or just while you eat em?
[00:02:12] <les> for good
[00:02:42] <les> seems kind of silly to me
[00:02:58] <les> but that's the rule here
[00:03:29] <les> I guess the reasoning is
[00:03:46] <les> if you need medication for stress
[00:04:09] <les> you should not be intrusted with people's lives
[00:04:13] <anonimasu> why is that?
[00:04:13] <anonimasu> well, it's usa.. that tells it all
[00:04:13] <anonimasu> :)
[00:04:29] <les> actually makes sense I guess
[00:05:05] <les> Flying is not at all stressful
[00:05:16] <les> until something goes wrong...
[00:06:05] <les> well post 911 USA is getting to be a police state
[00:06:19] <anonimasu> yep
[00:06:39] <paul_c> getting... Have gotten
[00:07:10] <les> english composition practice?
[00:07:29] <les> haha
[00:08:41] <les> sorry I was using the merkin dialect
[00:08:54] <les> usa plural
[00:09:20] <slomo> les: flight medical ? what's that ?
[00:10:17] <les> every so often you have to take a physical with a flight surgeon
[00:10:37] <paul_c> Last time i had to negotiate immigration, I could swear that the USA had already turned in to a police state.... Photographing & fingerprinting everyone.... Suprised they didn't take DNA samples as well.
[00:10:38] <slomo> in other words... a finger wave ha ha
[00:10:52] <les> If you so much as take aspirin regularly and there is a record
[00:10:56] <anonimasu> les: and there's no way you could try not to stress that much?
[00:10:56] <anonimasu> I know it sounds like a stupid question.. :)
[00:10:58] <les> your'e grounded
[00:11:27] <anonimasu> I guess I'll never ever own a cert :p
[00:11:55] <les> anon: I am type A. If no stress is availible I will create it haha
[00:11:55] <slomo> anonimasu: best not to subject your self to gov regs
[00:12:40] <anonimasu> les: ouch
[00:12:52] <les> i'm getting stressed out noe bacause of all those misspellings ha
[00:13:04] <les> but hey...I can't type
[00:13:20] <anonimasu> slomo: I live off antiinflamatories.. :)
[00:13:22] <slomo> waht mipsellings ?
[00:13:38] <anonimasu> les: it dosent matter we understand you anyway
[00:14:33] <les> ...and I made As in college grammar...sigh
[00:14:46] <slomo> for a free society, we have a lot of police entitiies
[00:14:48] <les> crs syndrome I guess
[00:15:22] <les> slomo: sure do
[00:15:41] <les> I can't take commercial air travel anymore
[00:15:48] <slomo> can't spell either
[00:15:54] <les> I get upset with all the seaches and such
[00:16:08] <les> serches
[00:16:14] <les> now that was a typo
[00:16:27] <anonimasu> les: your not even a commercial pilot?
[00:16:50] <les> les knows how to spell searches ;)
[00:17:03] <les> just a private pilot
[00:17:04] <les> but
[00:17:10] <anonimasu> argh.
[00:17:12] <slomo> and can type quick, also
[00:17:26] <les> we fly in the same airspace as commercial jets
[00:17:31] <les> same rules
[00:17:44] <robin_sz> sometimes even with permission
[00:18:02] <slomo> most times without :)
[00:18:10] <les> haha I learned to fly 8 dme from ohare...so yeah
[00:18:39] <robin_sz> I flew at 500' over the 'molesworth' cruise missile base once ...
[00:18:53] <anonimasu> ^_^
[00:19:12] <robin_sz> they got 'a bit' upset
[00:19:15] <les> bust 1600 msl in the pattern...shiny official cars will be there to meet you when you land
[00:19:20] <les> robin: ha
[00:19:48] <robin_sz> but ive only been chased down the runway by fire-engines the once :)
[00:20:14] <anonimasu> 1600 msl ?
[00:20:16] <les> I busted ohare once...just turned the transponder off real quik and made a nice dive
[00:20:30] <les> 1600 feet above mean sea level
[00:20:34] <robin_sz> heh
[00:20:54] <slomo> the BS'er doesn't stand a chance !
[00:21:05] <slomo> opps the first
[00:21:06] <anonimasu> why's that illegal?
[00:21:17] <robin_sz> jets above
[00:21:21] <anonimasu> heh..
[00:21:27] <robin_sz> controlled air space
[00:21:51] <les> well they do get upset when you bust the airspace of one of the word's largest airports and they have to shut it down
[00:22:04] <les> REAL upset
[00:22:06] <robin_sz> you get a big central core around a commercial airport, like a big cylinder
[00:22:25] <anonimasu> ah yeah, non flight space..
[00:22:29] <robin_sz> all the way to the ground . .. plus 'stubs' on the runway axes ...
[00:22:33] <anonimasu> or whatever they call it :)
[00:22:45] <robin_sz> so yo ucan fly around the side, under the stub
[00:23:04] <robin_sz> but break 1600 (or whatever the stub height is) and they get upset
[00:23:52] <robin_sz> in reallity, unless you have mode C on the txpdr, theyll never know
[00:24:16] <les> We can fly in that airspace... but must have a 24 hr reservation
[00:24:24] <les> and $150 to land
[00:24:30] <anonimasu> I need to go to bed now
[00:24:31] <robin_sz> oucha
[00:24:35] <slomo> robin_sz: txpdr ? we don't need no steenking txpdr
[00:24:44] <robin_sz> heh
[00:24:46] <anonimasu> slomo: kite flying?
[00:24:51] <anonimasu> ^_^
[00:25:07] <les> have a nice night anon
[00:25:13] <robin_sz> even the little tail dragger I fly now has a txdpr with mode C
[00:25:24] <robin_sz> nigh anonimasu
[00:25:27] <anonimasu> yeah night
[00:25:30] <anonimasu> slomo: just kidding
[00:25:43] <slomo> :)
[00:25:53] <les> yes mode c altitude reporting is required most everywhere here
[00:25:57] <robin_sz> thats the nice thing about 'permit' aircraft .. if you find some nice gear, you can fit it
[00:26:13] <les> not familiar...
[00:26:19] <robin_sz> I thnk they call it 'experimental' in the US?
[00:26:24] <les> oh ok
[00:26:30] <robin_sz> homebuilt on a permit to fly
[00:26:34] <les> don't fly em
[00:26:46] <anonimasu> :]
[00:26:47] <slomo> maybe recreational pilot cert
[00:26:57] <les> lost too many friends in em
[00:27:23] <les> slomo: better to get the full PPSEL
[00:27:33] <les> recreational is very limited
[00:27:36] <robin_sz> ive lost too many on bikes
[00:27:55] <slomo> les: even that's limiting
[00:28:06] <les> sure it is
[00:28:24] <les> but one can always get more ratings
[00:28:34] <les> I have only two
[00:28:39] <slomo> les: or go under the radar
[00:28:45] <robin_sz> when I have more money, I'll get an IR and a night rating
[00:28:49] <les> complex aircraft and High performance
[00:29:07] <les> I have night
[00:29:31] <les> beautiful, smooth, DANGEROUS
[00:29:38] <robin_sz> ive done a few night landings
[00:29:42] <robin_sz> very weird
[00:29:52] <robin_sz> you land soemwhere deeeeeep in the runway
[00:30:19] <les> in the bfr for night you have to land with the electrical system turned off
[00:30:34] <robin_sz> bfr?
[00:30:53] <les> biennial flight review
[00:30:58] <robin_sz> right
[00:31:03] <robin_sz> fun :)
[00:31:06] <les> all pilots are retested every two years
[00:31:27] <robin_sz> im out of hours ... again
[00:31:36] <robin_sz> but flying a bit more now with $mate
[00:31:43] <robin_sz> we share it out
[00:32:00] <les> night bfr requires simulated electrical AND engine failure
[00:32:07] <robin_sz> I paye for the fuel, he pays for the plane. seems fair
[00:32:13] <robin_sz> eeps.
[00:32:18] <les> don't schedule it on a moonless night!
[00:32:27] <robin_sz> night gliding in a brick lovely
[00:32:39] <les> yeah
[00:32:53] <slomo> les: a/c type you fly ?
[00:33:05] <robin_sz> when I firstl learnt it was at a big airport, 4000' runway, lots of movement
[00:33:13] <les> I do not fly at night much...deadly in a single engine plane
[00:33:17] <robin_sz> I learnt ZIP about flying
[00:33:39] <robin_sz> the stuff ive doen recently, grass strip in a taildragger ...
[00:33:44] <robin_sz> its been GREAT
[00:35:02] <robin_sz> we visited a gliding club the other day, no runway, just a big patch of green, choose a direction and land it. no radio, no signals board .. just you and your decisions
[00:35:07] <slomo> = 4.4 hours to go
[00:35:17] <les> slomo: Piper warrior, archer, Dakota,cessna 172, 182, diamond katana
[00:35:49] <les> robin: I do not have a tail dragger endorsement
[00:35:51] <slomo> les: quite as differance ther
[00:36:28] <les> slomo: not much difference...except for power
[00:37:08] <robin_sz> after a coffee, we used the bit of tarmac that people think is the road to the clubhouse to take off on .. the guy in the clubhouse just said "make sure theres no one turning in at the gate and you'll be fine, if someone turns in after you start rolling , keep going, you'll go over the top befor ethey reeach you" ...
[00:37:28] <les> haw
[00:37:39] <robin_sz> you dont get that at big airports :)
[00:37:49] <robin_sz> you get to think a lot more for yourself
[00:37:58] <les> guess not
[00:38:31] <robin_sz> one guy we meet up with has a KR2 homebuilt,
[00:38:32] <slomo> les: NOTHING beats HP
[00:38:55] <robin_sz> smallest aircraft to do UK->australia :)
[00:39:33] <les> slomo: yes..weight and balance in a c172 is such that one lardass in the back and full fuel can kill you
[00:40:01] <robin_sz> les: http://www.fu.uni-lj.si/personal/bojan/aviation/kr2-300.jpg
[00:40:02] <les> dakota: if it fits inside weight and balance is ok
[00:40:03] <robin_sz> slippy
[00:40:09] <slomo> les: i know, lost five buddies that way, in one a/c
[00:40:25] <slomo> les: a 172, no less
[00:40:37] <robin_sz> lets see
[00:40:42] <robin_sz> 172 ... 4 seats
[00:40:46] <robin_sz> 5 buddies
[00:40:48] <robin_sz> hmmm ...
[00:41:02] <les> a 172 has four seats but is not a four passenger aircraft
[00:41:25] <les> unless you have 30 minutes of fuel
[00:41:31] <robin_sz> quite
[00:41:38] <robin_sz> a 182 is a better proposition
[00:41:50] <les> yes
[00:41:56] <slomo> flying up canyon, hot august afternoon, you figure it out
[00:42:05] <robin_sz> oh ...
[00:42:50] <robin_sz> 5 ... thats not an accident
[00:42:56] <robin_sz> thats putting real effort into it
[00:43:14] <robin_sz> les: like that KR2?
[00:43:19] <slomo> young pilot, rented a/c
[00:43:25] <robin_sz> sigh
[00:43:35] <les> 3 and full tanks is pushing it in a 172
[00:43:42] <robin_sz> flying isnt dangerous
[00:43:50] <robin_sz> but it doesnt forgive mistakes
[00:43:55] <les> right
[00:44:22] <les> the center of gravity allowance is about 10 inches in that plane
[00:44:27] <robin_sz> you read some of the ferry pilot stuff on 172's?
[00:44:38] <robin_sz> full tanks, and a barrel
[00:44:49] <les> too far back and a spin is unrecoverable
[00:45:21] <les> robin: read some...particularly about feery pilots short lifespans
[00:45:29] <les> ferry
[00:46:06] <robin_sz> I read some stuff a while back about guys ferrying 172s to europe .... full tnaks and a barrel in the back. fly in ground effect for a couple of 100nm over the sea
[00:46:23] <les> cool
[00:46:28] <robin_sz> frightening
[00:46:33] <robin_sz> oh look, wave.
[00:46:37] <les> can't get above ground effect?
[00:46:42] <robin_sz> nope
[00:46:45] <les> wow
[00:47:05] <robin_sz> this was back in the days when trimble had just started making GPSs
[00:47:11] <les> like wright brothers flyer simulation I tried
[00:47:12] <robin_sz> so .. ealry 80s I guess
[00:47:46] <robin_sz> their 'canrd' desing was not helping them any
[00:47:50] <robin_sz> canard
[00:48:06] <les> completely unstable in pitch
[00:48:13] <robin_sz> quite
[00:48:43] <les> bank past 20 degrees...instant spin
[00:48:52] <les> at least on the simulator
[00:49:31] <robin_sz> probably less in reallity ;)
[00:49:46] <robin_sz> wing warping .. great paln ;)
[00:49:56] <les> you know this talk is making me want to go to the airport
[00:50:19] <les> and be relieved of my hard earned money
[00:50:57] <les> slomo: flying little airplanes is HORRIBLY expensive
[00:51:28] <les> actually big ones too
[00:51:37] <slomo> les: priced the cost of fabric lately ?
[00:51:49] <slomo> i'm in the wrong business
[00:52:00] <les> no but I'm sure it's high
[00:52:05] <les> ceconite is
[00:52:20] <slomo> les: what's avgas going for there these days ?
[00:52:39] <les> varies
[00:52:51] <les> $3 or so for 100ll
[00:53:07] <les> that would be cheap for robin
[00:53:22] <slomo> i've heard reports of better than $5.00
[00:53:30] <slomo> in the bush
[00:53:41] <les> some places no doubt
[00:54:02] <les> Georgia has some of the lowest fuel prices in the country
[00:54:30] <slomo> you a Georgia boy ?
[00:55:03] <les> born here...grew up in south florida...mostly lived in Chicago
[00:55:09] <les> so yes and no?
[00:56:09] <slomo> just curious
[00:56:29] <les> I am here now because I inherited a farm.
[00:56:30] <slomo> you don't trype with an accent
[00:56:35] <les> haha
[00:56:44] <robin_sz> les: this is my mates KR2 site, http://www.alagem.com/cgi-bin/subsite/wt/welcome.asp
[00:56:44] <les> no accent
[00:56:58] <robin_sz> les: his UK to AUS trip has aflightplan on there
[00:57:01] <slomo> that's why i couldn't place the drawl ...
[00:57:01] <les> but I casnnot even understand my relatives here
[00:57:23] <les> robin: wow
[00:57:37] <les> I eat grits though
[00:58:09] <slomo> me too :)
[00:58:36] <les> My hillbilly relatives say I talk too fast and they cannot understand me
[00:58:39] <robin_sz> see that spec: empty weight 242Kg 536 lb :)
[00:59:10] <les> what's the wing loading?
[00:59:30] <slomo> for a time , iworked for an indian, from georgia, and when he called on the phone....
[00:59:33] <robin_sz> max?
[00:59:49] <robin_sz> 900lbs/78feet
[00:59:55] <slomo> it was, like come on, spit it out, hurry up and say it
[01:00:01] <les> yikes
[01:00:09] <les> slomo: haha
[01:00:18] <les> I am a bit cherokee
[01:00:23] <les> only a little
[01:00:36] <robin_sz> slipppppppy though ... 105 knot cruise and 152 knot max
[01:00:37] <slomo> he was all cherokee
[01:01:03] <robin_sz> anyway, its late
[01:01:03] <robin_sz> night yall
[01:01:08] <les> high wing loading=smooth ride
[01:01:18] <les> low = passengers puke
[01:01:23] <robin_sz> but ... tricky to land
[01:01:24] <les> gnight
[01:01:34] <robin_sz> its VERY quick on the landings
[01:01:34] <les> yup
[01:01:38] <robin_sz> right ..
[01:01:40] <robin_sz> night
[01:01:41] <slomo> see ya
[01:02:23] <les> curious slomo...how did you end up in alaska?
[01:03:10] <slomo> my dad met my mom, and the rest is, as they say, history
[01:03:26] <les> I see
[01:03:53] <les> so a native alaskan?
[01:04:05] <slomo> you betcha
[01:04:10] <les> wow
[01:04:12] <les> cool
[01:04:26] <les> or...cold haha
[01:04:37] <slomo> no, damn cold
[01:04:41] <les> heh
[01:05:21] <les> we have had an unusual "mini summer" here for a couple weeks
[01:05:34] <les> temps in the 70's
[01:05:44] <les> but that is about to end
[01:05:59] <les> It does get below zero here sometimes
[01:06:24] <les> not like Chicago though
[01:07:11] <les> I have an issue in the spray booth ehen it gets cold
[01:07:20] <les> I have heated makeup air
[01:07:38] <les> but only about 20 degrees temp rise
[01:07:51] <les> so on cold days we cannot spray
[01:08:18] <les> it may be a problem soon
[01:09:38] <slomo> it would be a problem here today then, about -2 at just after 4pm
[01:09:47] <les> need a heat exchanger to recover some of that warmth we just blow out the booth
[01:10:05] <les> common problem I guess
[01:10:19] <slomo> well when you get it built, send that warm air this way, would ya ?
[01:10:28] <les> haha sure
[01:10:58] <les> I need to go get some dinner here I guess
[01:11:05] <les> still early for you
[01:11:31] <les> 8: 12 here
[01:11:33] <slomo> yea, but it's starting to get dark, daylight is short thistime of year
[01:11:56] <les> 4 hr day prob?
[01:12:13] <slomo> more like 6, at the max
[01:12:19] <les> wow
[01:12:41] <les> ok to the kitchen for me...talk later!
[01:12:50] <slomo> daylight about 9am, dark by about 4:30-5
[01:13:07] <slomo> nice chatting with you
[01:13:19] <les> same here later
[01:18:43] <gezr> I made it back from dinner
[01:23:45] <slomo> whajageat ?
[01:28:43] <slomo> = ETA 11:31:33 what's up with that ?
[01:29:12] <slomo> 15:35:34] <slomo> = 4.4 hours to go
[01:43:25] <gezr> oh some carnie asada soft tacos :)
[01:45:10] <slomo> gezr: jagetenuff?
[01:46:00] <gezr> I got a spam message, froma bank, so I checked it out, its a way for the holder to steal acount info from the bank, I tired turning it in, but the dang real banks form to submit questions and stuff sucked so hard I couldnt paste into it, it kept vomiting onthe email's html tags, so I guess I wont be a hero today
[01:46:09] <gezr> slomo : oh my yeah I did
[01:47:52] <slomo> gezr: good, gotta go, maybe send it to your isp
[01:47:55] <slomo> see ya
[01:48:01] <gezr> take care
[01:48:08] <slomo> leave
[01:48:17] <slomo> oops
[04:13:59] <CIA-3> 03jmkasunich * 10emc2/ (8 files in 5 dirs): added emcmot command and NML message to set homing parameters - the full capability of the EMC2 homing code as described in EMC2_Code_Notes can now be configured from the ini file and used as needed
[12:32:05] <slomo> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY 3767411
[12:32:20] <slomo> /msg NickServ slomo 3767411
[12:36:46] <slomo> hello
[12:38:48] <paul_c> Not long finished downloading I see...
[12:43:43] <slomo> ack, either your server, or my wget has problems, wget -c no worky
[12:44:14] <slomo> i've several files in the dir***.iso1 *.2 and so on
[12:44:52] <paul_c> got the full file names to hand ?
[12:45:24] <slomo> so i'm back to one of the other mirrors, using kget, showing about 6 hrs to go
[12:46:23] <slomo> eh ?
[12:47:32] <paul_c> bdi-4.08.iso & bdi-4.08.iso.sum - Two files. One the image, the second, the md5sum.
[12:52:27] <slomo> here's whats in the dir: bdi-4.08.iso, size 1271376, bdi-4.08.iso.1, size 44800, bdi-4.08.iso.2 size 220363104
[12:52:43] <slomo> failed dl's from my perspective
[12:53:31] <paul_c> That's the kind of result wget gives without the -c flag.
[12:53:57] <slomo> yea, iknow:), it will not resume
[12:54:55] <slomo> wget -c http: bla bla
[12:54:57] <slomo> Connecting to connected.
[12:55:05] <slomo> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
[12:55:21] <slomo> Continued download failed on this file, which conflicts with `-c'
[12:55:23] <slomo> Refusing to truncate existing file `bdi-4.08.iso'.
[12:56:50] <paul_c> what about "wget -c 81.100..." (without the http) ?
[12:58:03] <slomo> same same
[13:01:07] <paul_c> Hmm... a little clue in the wget man page...
[13:01:21] <paul_c> " Note that -c only works with FTP servers and with HTTP servers that support the "Range" header."
[13:01:53] <paul_c> I suspect that boa doesn't support the range header...
[13:08:46] <slomo> thats funny, cause kget will resume from that location
[13:09:42] <paul_c> kget is just a GUI frontend for wget...
[13:34:00] <slomo> hey les
[13:45:18] <les> hello slomo
[13:46:33] <les> ach got a call about supervising a grad student research project sponsored by my old corporation
[13:46:48] <les> As if I wasn't busy enough
[13:47:11] <les> Has to do with an encoder line I developed for them
[13:47:38] <les> May have to spend some time at university if Illinois
[13:48:17] <les> but sure can't get away right now
[13:48:47] <les> right now it will have to be telphone consulting
[13:49:21] <les> Having a problem with phones...can't hear them ring
[13:50:05] <les> with the cnc router, dust collecter, belt sander, and air compressor running at the same time it is noisy
[13:50:33] <les> need to hook some kind of light to the phone ringer
[14:15:06] <slomo> les: thats funny, ican't hear your phone ring either
[14:23:52] <les> haha
[14:24:32] <les> well off to the shop....starting to think about some new wiring. With
[14:25:14] <les> all the machines running we are starting to tax the electric supply. I think I will
[14:25:26] <les> need to go from 40 to 100 amps...
[16:13:35] <slomo> paul_c: this from the archives dated: 2003-11-09 14:28......
[16:13:36] <slomo> ... why not have a collection of working ini-files at the
[16:13:36] <slomo> dropbox on linuxCNC???
[16:13:49] <slomo> is there such a beast ?
[16:14:51] <paul_c> http://www.linuxcnc.org/Dropbox/
[16:15:40] <slomo> man, shoulda asked earlier, been searching the archives for info such as this
[16:22:00] <slomo> not to much there
[16:25:08] <paul_c> You get a couple of "real world" ini files that work for Sherline on the CD
[17:42:06] <alex_joni> hello
[17:50:19] <alex_joni> hmm.. no one around?
[17:52:47] <slomo> everbody's sleeping
[17:53:01] <paul_c> covered up the irc window while looking at Jon's PPMC code...
[17:55:44] <alex_joni> hey guys...
[17:55:45] <alex_joni> how's life?
[17:55:50] <alex_joni> hope better than mine...
[18:02:18] <slomo> emc/bdi-4.08.iso-1600 = 1.5 hours to go !!!
[18:03:32] <alex_joni> coo
[18:03:40] <alex_joni> slomo: what link do you have?
[18:03:54] <alex_joni> * alex_joni had big trouble with transformes today :(
[18:04:09] <paul_c> check and post the md5sum when you're done.
[18:04:30] <slomo> alex_joni: the cimweb one
[18:05:03] <alex_joni> and what internet access?
[18:06:00] <slomo> alex_joni: ?
[18:06:41] <alex_joni> internet connection? you got some broadband?
[18:08:21] <slomo> alex_joni: dsl
[18:08:28] <alex_joni> I mean can your connection do better than the cimweb link?
[18:08:49] <slomo> yes, i believ so
[18:09:39] <alex_joni> did you try other links?
[18:11:27] <slomo> alex_joni: yes, started at paul_c site, using wget, had problems, prolly from my isp, wget wasn't resumeing late last nite....
[18:11:45] <slomo> so i switched to kget, and resumed a prior dl
[18:11:51] <alex_joni> try http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/
[18:12:03] <alex_joni> even if only for speed testing.. tell me how it works
[18:12:39] <alex_joni> paul_c: I burned 2 transformers today, and no idea why :(
[18:14:27] <slomo> alex_joni: 48.18K/s ETA 3:15:34
[18:14:52] <alex_joni> not that bad... not that great either
[18:14:53] <slomo> alex_joni: wish i had known bought that ealier
[18:15:07] <alex_joni> I did announce it on the list ;)
[18:15:16] <alex_joni> you should subscribe to the mailinglist
[18:15:23] <A-L-P-H-A> ebay.com working for anyone?
[18:15:43] <slomo> alex_joni: i do, must have deleted the mail :(
[18:16:14] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: eby.com first page works... don't know about searches
[18:16:29] <A-L-P-H-A> well... ebay.com won't even load for me.
[18:16:30] <A-L-P-H-A> strange.
[18:17:24] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: search workes too
[18:17:33] <alex_joni> can you resolve the name?
[18:17:47] <alex_joni> try `ping www.ebay.com`
[18:17:52] <A-L-P-H-A> kinda working... just mega slow
[18:19:22] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe I should have asked for a indexable carbide boring boring bar to bore diameters of 25 to 40mm diatermeter. 'trying' to search ebay for new toys.
[18:23:07] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone ever made their own carbide indexable tools?
[18:36:42] <paul_c> Yes
[18:41:49] <asdfqwega> paul_c: Does the emc .deb need anything from /usr/local/rcslib?
[18:42:10] <asdfqwega> I know there's been work on that, but I thought it was with emc2
[18:44:36] <asdfqwega> Other than emc not working, the kernel and module .debs are installed just fine
[18:45:13] <alex_joni> emc2 doesn't use rcslib
[18:45:38] <alex_joni> emc2 uses libnml (a cleaned up version of rcslib)
[18:46:00] <alex_joni> only emc1 uses rcslib..
[18:46:27] <alex_joni> don't know about the .deb thou... (but I think the emc .deb contains the rcslib aswell)
[18:46:59] <paul_c> emc-0.0.1 uses libnml which is included in the package.
[18:47:40] <asdfqwega> Heh, I should have knocked on wood...I just had X hiccup
[18:48:27] <alex_joni> paul_c: cool stuff that emc-0.0.1 uses libnml ;)
[18:56:25] <asdfqwega> Okay, when I 'sudo /usr/local/emc/generic.run'
[18:56:55] <asdfqwega> dang, wish I could cut-n-paste across two computers
[18:57:11] <A-L-P-H-A> man... wished my lathe would just magically make what I think of. :)... or have the tooling that I require.
[18:57:45] <asdfqwega> plat/nonrealtime/bin/inivar: can't open generic.ini
[18:58:21] <asdfqwega> Can't find variable EMCMOT in section [EMCMOT] of file generic.ini
[18:59:03] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone want to see my lathe running? http://www.lloydleung.com/videos/lathe_running.asf (14.84megs) nothing special... just it auto start, do a part, auto stop.
[19:00:32] <asdfqwega> No wonder it can't open generic.ini - it's not there
[19:01:42] <asdfqwega> The only .ini in /usr/local/emc is smithy.ini
[19:06:03] <paul_c> what date/version is the emc package ?
[19:07:23] <asdfqwega> emc-0.0.10
[19:07:50] <asdfqwega> I backed up my emc.ini, but I also need all the emc.*
[19:08:16] <A-L-P-H-A> Anyone got a tip for this? I'm stuck in a situation where I have a tiny boring bar... where the bar's diameter is maybe 5/16" or 1/4". I'm trying to bore a diameter of 29.00mm. How should I go about doing this? The depth is 22mm as well. Stock material is tool brass.
[19:09:09] <alex_joni_> * alex_joni_ just heared on the news there are some heavy storms in the UK...
[19:09:10] <A-L-P-H-A> What I'm worried about is chatter... anyway to solve this without getting a bigger boring bar?
[19:09:36] <paul_c> very light cuts at high speed
[19:09:40] <A-L-P-H-A> freezing rain here this morning... I had a sheet of ice on my car windshield.
[19:09:50] <A-L-P-H-A> 0.005" or even less?
[19:10:24] <paul_c> 0.1mm sounds about right
[19:10:26] <asdfqwega> <A-L-P-H-A>: If I were doing a finishing pass in a manual lathe, I'd make a special tool that could shave 0.0005" off at a time
[19:10:34] <alex_joni_> paul_c: hope you're well
[19:10:45] <paul_c> asdfqwega: Where did you get the deb from ?
[19:10:59] <A-L-P-H-A> The machine is CNC'd already.
[19:11:04] <asdfqwega> bdi-emc.ntlworld.com
[19:11:09] <A-L-P-H-A> converted Schuablin 102
[19:12:22] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... I'll just get it close, and do it light slow cuts at high rpm.
[19:12:28] <asdfqwega> yes
[19:12:39] <A-L-P-H-A> thanks guys.
[19:12:55] <paul_c> Shhould have configs for generic, sherline, and a couple more.
[19:14:32] <asdfqwega> paul, what would I do to peer inside a .deb file, to see what it's filelist is?
[19:17:00] <alex_joni_> alex_joni_ is now known as alex_joni
[19:17:09] <paul_c> dpkg -L emc
[19:19:23] <asdfqwega> interesting...they should be there
[19:19:39] <asdfqwega> I'll re-install it
[19:22:04] <paul_c> ini files are marked as configs, so existing ones won't get overwritten unless OK'd
[19:23:48] <asdfqwega> re-install the .deb didn't work - so now it's removal and install
[19:25:58] <paul_c> apt-get remove --purge emc
[19:31:36] <asdfqwega> had to remove axis, too
[19:32:06] <asdfqwega> for some reason, "/usr/local not empty - not removed"
[19:32:51] <asdfqwega> I've tried --purge twice just now
[19:33:09] <asdfqwega> first time, tried apt-get install python2.3-axis
[19:33:20] <asdfqwega> same result - not all files were there
[19:33:37] <asdfqwega> purge again, and apt'd emc first
[19:33:46] <asdfqwega> then axis
[19:33:48] <asdfqwega> everything working now
[19:36:19] <CIA-3> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/- New directory: File changed. New revision:NONE
[19:37:38] <CIA-3> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/extsmmot.c: File changed. New revision:extvitalmot.c
[19:37:39] <CIA-3> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/Makefile: File changed. New revision:
[19:37:44] <CIA-3> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/emcmot.c: File changed. New revision:emcmot.h
[19:37:44] <CIA-3> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/Makefile: File changed. New revision:extppmcmot.c
[19:38:05] <jepler> What does it mean when CIA says "New revision:<filename>"?
[19:39:08] <asdfqwega> It was revised?
[19:39:12] <CIA-3> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/changelog: File changed. New revision:rules
[19:39:18] <alex_joni> jepler: it's a custom script paul wrote to interface to CIA
[19:40:14] <paul_c> Zathras gets to be numero uno in the leader board - And it makes emc look busier...
[19:42:44] <jepler> But sometimes it says "New revision:<something I would recognize as a RCS version number>" and other times it says "New revision:<filename>"
[19:44:28] <paul_c> Zathras doesn't give revision numbers, only the files that have changed.
[19:46:10] <paul_c> emc-0.0.1-11 uploaded to the repository.
[19:46:33] <tbl> anyone around?
[19:46:44] <paul_c> * paul_c hides
[19:46:52] <tbl> hey paul
[19:47:02] <tbl> do you have an active e-mail address for matt?
[19:47:06] <paul_c> Yo Mike.
[19:47:20] <paul_c> I see SoCal hits the global news
[19:47:30] <tbl> oh?
[19:47:41] <tbl> the weather?
[19:48:03] <paul_c> Mud slides & rain...
[19:48:20] <paul_c> OK.. You after Matt Shaver ?
[19:53:25] <asdfqwega> Is the motion-sync'd IO still on the stepper's port, or is the MOTION_IO_ADDRESS valid?
[19:53:48] <tbl> paul_c, yeah
[19:54:07] <tbl> A bug in the tcp(4) stack allows an invalid argument to be used in in calculating the TCP retransmit timeout. By sending packets with specific values in the TCP timestamp option, an attacker can cause a system panic.
[19:54:23] <tbl> a single remote packet can crash openbsd! haha
[19:54:42] <tbl> those dolt's won't even consider it an update
[19:54:49] <tbl> its a "reliability" fix
[19:56:12] <paul_c> MOTION_IO_ADDRESS is obsolete. Use M62/M63
[19:56:46] <paul_c> Matt haver <mshaver@erols.com>
[20:06:21] <paul_c> Oooo.... A new face
[20:06:31] <CommDweeb> Greetings
[20:07:12] <CommDweeb> I was poking around linuxcnc.org, and dicided to drop in.
[20:07:20] <asdfqwega> paul_c: everything seems to be OK, just have to tweak the .ini, and get a new parport card
[20:07:36] <asdfqwega> I think this one finally died
[20:08:35] <paul_c> * paul_c has several parports in non-standard locations...
[20:09:29] <CommDweeb> paul_c: are they all isa or are they a mix of pci and isa parports?
[20:09:55] <asdfqwega> I was having problems, and I suspected the card, so I switched it over to another motherboard - same problems, so it's toast
[20:10:18] <asdfqwega> Hard to find ISA parports
[20:10:23] <paul_c> CommDweeb: A mix of ISA and PCI cards
[20:11:15] <asdfqwega> As it is, I'm going to have to scroung around to find some Slot1 mobo's with ISA
[20:11:47] <asdfqwega> I have a Slot1 P2-450 I want to use, and it need 100Mhz FSB
[20:13:56] <CommDweeb> paul_c: Cool, I just got 24 old and slow 166mhz Toshiba laptops donated and I am going to try and use them to run robots, has anyone used pcmcia parports or am I barking up the wrong tree.
[20:14:38] <paul_c> pcmcia might work.... Never tried it though...
[20:14:59] <paul_c> asdfqwega: $25 too much for a MoBo ?
[20:15:04] <CommDweeb> Ok, then I guess I'll find out.
[20:15:33] <asdfqwega> paul_c: Not really, but I could probably beg an old clunker off of some friends
[20:15:38] <CommDweeb> I was looking at using it as a grounds surveyor
[20:15:42] <slomo> paul_c: iso md5sum as published : 704cf1b0208b58f71800250e118e2f71 bdi-4.08.iso
[20:16:00] <slomo> paul_c: as downloaded : 704cf1b0208b58f71800250e118e2f71 bdi-4.08.iso
[20:16:05] <CommDweeb> I am going to use the sound card as a cind of metal detector.
[20:16:08] <slomo> looks good to me..
[20:16:19] <slomo> off to see the wizard :)
[20:16:38] <asdfqwega> From some of the things I've read about PCMCIA and compact flash, it should work well
[20:17:19] <paul_c> 'pends if you have to go through the pcmcia drivers to access the port
[20:18:02] <CommDweeb> Ok, wel I might be able to get away with running it through one port.
[20:18:20] <slomo> paul_c: net connect required for any further updates ?
[20:18:43] <CommDweeb> The idea on th e drewing board is a lawn mower. I am hoping the metal detector can see curbs and driveways.
[20:18:43] <slomo> paul_c: after the install.. that is
[20:20:39] <paul_c> CommDweeb: You planning on using a BDI install ?
[20:21:15] <CommDweeb> I was going to start there, I have lots of old PC's laying around
[20:22:11] <paul_c> BDI-2.xx will be OK for the laptop, but you want more memory and an i686 chip for the others
[20:22:33] <CommDweeb> Ok, that saves me some time.
[20:23:39] <CommDweeb> I am still in the hardware design mode, but I am going to bring up a controller so I can at least check torques and response times before I settle on final gearing.
[20:24:12] <CommDweeb> If it works out, I'll probably try and commercialize it.
[20:24:37] <paul_c> I have BDI-4.08(1/2) running on a celeron 450
[20:25:22] <CommDweeb> I'm looking for a solar powered mower/edger that can handle 1/2 acre in a reasonable way.
[20:25:44] <tbl> paul_c, how does that run?
[20:26:09] <CommDweeb> So I am very worried about power consumption.
[20:26:13] <paul_c> reasonable performance....
[20:27:06] <paul_c> Solar power & large DC motors.... Doesn't bode well unless you have lots of sunshine
[20:27:45] <CommDweeb> I'm in Texas
[20:28:34] <CommDweeb> If that doesn't work I'll probably set it up to find a charging/docking station.
[20:28:46] <paul_c> get a couple of sheep - Come the winter, you get to eat them. ;)
[20:29:13] <CommDweeb> Ha Ha, I would love to, but not inside the city limits.
[20:30:05] <paul_c> * paul_c disappears to burn some pizza
[20:30:06] <asdfqwega> Sheep work OK on grass, but with all the brambles around here, I need a weedeater
[20:30:15] <asdfqwega> weedeater = goat
[20:31:05] <CommDweeb> I'm hoping to out a 50AH 24 volt battery on it and use a 50 watt pannel to track the sun.
[20:31:28] <slomo> CommDweeb: how about wind geny powered steppers ?
[20:32:01] <CommDweeb> If it works, I am hoping to sell a passle of them to places like golf courses and cemetaries and have them only come out at night.
[20:32:49] <asdfqwega> I wish better luck with the idea than I had
[20:33:06] <slomo> asdfqwega: which was what ?
[20:33:15] <CommDweeb> wind geny powered steppers??? you got a URL I can look at??
[20:33:34] <slomo> CommDweeb: hold on,
[20:33:42] <asdfqwega> I have too many "real world" obstacles for a robot mower to be practical
[20:34:27] <asdfqwega> CommDweeb: He means a stepper motor turned wind generator
[20:34:37] <slomo> CommDweeb: have a look here : http://www.c-realevents.demon.co.uk/steppers/stepmotor.htm
[20:35:20] <slomo> CommDweeb: i've done some prelim seaches because a friend lives off grid, sterling motors is another option
[20:35:21] <CommDweeb> Old cemetaries have a lot of obsticals too, that is why grounds keeping is so expensive in them
[20:35:47] <asdfqwega> Up here in the hills of Ohio, I'd be picking branches out of the mower every time the wind blew
[20:36:04] <CommDweeb> Thanks slomo
[20:36:16] <slomo> CommDweeb: doesn't really help with cutting the cord, but it may help you rethink :)
[20:36:25] <asdfqwega> And if I spent a lot of money on a full blown robot, I'm sure the whole tree would fall on it
[20:36:43] <anonimasu> hm, maybe you could implement a sollution with a suspension..
[20:36:52] <anonimasu> if you can wait for about 1� year
[20:36:58] <anonimasu> there will be small portabel fuelcells
[20:37:02] <anonimasu> portable..
[20:37:04] <CommDweeb> Lots of wind here
[20:37:17] <anonimasu> and building a recharging/refueling station would probably be pretty easy
[20:37:35] <slomo> CommDweeb: doesn't take much input for a stepper to gen some volts.amp
[20:38:01] <CommDweeb> Yes, and the charging station would hide it during the day
[20:38:05] <asdfqwega> anonimasu: 1.5 years? Got a link on that??
[20:38:33] <anonimasu> asdfqwega: there's supposedly a company that'll start marketing fuel cell rechargers for laptops.. this year
[20:38:40] <anonimasu> cant remember the link..
[20:38:42] <CommDweeb> slomo: I have about 15 old printers laying around, I'll have to try that.
[20:39:06] <slomo> CommDweeb: pretty interesting when you get into it
[20:39:32] <slomo> CommDweeb: especilly the sterling eng. aspect of it
[20:39:42] <anonimasu> you could use ulrasonic rangefinders.. to watch out for stuf
[20:39:43] <anonimasu> stuff
[20:40:05] <CommDweeb> I have up to 70mph inline winds in my back yard here atleast twice a year, it is going to be fun designing a wind mill that will survive it.
[20:40:45] <slomo> CommDweeb: that's low velocity here haha
[20:41:01] <CommDweeb> If you put in a WiFi card and a GPS you can really do some great mapping with just touch sensors.
[20:41:28] <anonimasu> I thought about using them to detect the distance off the ground
[20:41:35] <anonimasu> thus keeping the length of the grass constant..
[20:41:35] <anonimasu> :)
[20:41:47] <slomo> anonimasu: your sick
[20:41:49] <anonimasu> and watching out for stuff flying ;) close to to mower..
[20:41:54] <anonimasu> slomo: howcome?
[20:42:14] <anonimasu> I'd love to write the software for it :]
[20:42:18] <slomo> anonimasu: grass constant height ?....
[20:42:20] <CommDweeb> That would be good, but the ground level changes a lot around here due to shifting clay's
[20:42:32] <slomo> i'm lucky to mow it once a week\
[20:42:46] <anonimasu> commdweeb: if you measure the distance to the ground and adjust the suspension accordingly
[20:42:49] <anonimasu> :9
[20:42:51] <anonimasu> :p
[20:43:12] <CommDweeb> I was thinking of using a tilt sensor to determine level and schedule fill to keep it level.
[20:43:31] <CommDweeb> Use a three wheeled chassis
[20:43:40] <anonimasu> hm, 4 is better.. :)
[20:43:48] <slomo> i'm outta here, the latest has finished burnig, and i'm offd to install
[20:44:00] <CommDweeb> More complicated though.
[20:44:02] <anonimasu> if you have the suspension for each weel controlled that is..
[20:44:05] <CommDweeb> Bye slomo
[20:44:07] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:44:13] <anonimasu> but well, it's advanced..
[20:44:16] <asdfqwega> I mow the lawn maybe 3 times a year - that's why I have 3 sets of lawn ornaments
[20:44:21] <slomo> see ya !!
[20:44:36] <anonimasu> but you can pass obstacles neatly
[20:44:39] <asdfqwega> One set with 1' stilts, one with 2' stilts, and one with 3' stilts
[20:44:39] <CommDweeb> I usually have to mow twice a week in the spring
[20:44:44] <anonimasu> if you have the weight distribution even..
[20:44:59] <asdfqwega> When the grass gets too high, just change to the next set
[20:45:09] <asdfqwega> That way the neighbors think I mowed the lawn
[20:45:22] <picnet> Hows Rigel Kentaurus?
[20:45:27] <CommDweeb> Actually, with 3 wheels and 3 wheel steering you can do an incredible job around obsticals
[20:45:45] <CommDweeb> Still shining
[20:45:55] <picnet> * picnet pictures a robin reliant with a grass cutter slung underneath.
[20:46:05] <anonimasu> * anonimasu didnt think around I thought over :9
[20:46:07] <anonimasu> :)
[20:46:28] <anonimasu> the only problem is how much power a 4 wheel driven adjustable suspension setup would draw
[20:46:46] <CommDweeb> Oops, gota call comming in, brb
[20:46:55] <anonimasu> I wish small torque engines were cheap
[20:46:57] <anonimasu> :]
[20:47:54] <CommDweeb> Darn, I gota server down, I'll have to drop in again sometime, Latter.
[20:48:01] <anonimasu> ok
[20:48:03] <anonimasu> laters
[20:55:17] <A-L-P-H-A> how do you guys keep your shop clean and orderly? I seem to lack this skill.
[20:57:08] <anonimasu> I have no idea how others do it :)
[20:57:20] <anonimasu> * anonimasu cant seem to keep it really clean eiher
[20:57:49] <asdfqwega> Clean?
[20:57:52] <asdfqwega> Clean?!
[20:58:40] <asdfqwega> Ouch...I'm getting a stitch in my side from laughing too hard
[20:58:44] <A-L-P-H-A> I can find my 6" calipre, and my 200mm calipre, but can't find my 100mm calipre.
[20:58:44] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[20:58:57] <asdfqwega> Yeah, I play that game, too
[20:59:10] <asdfqwega> "Lose your mind while looking for stuff"
[20:59:57] <asdfqwega> I play the Advanced Edition ruleset
[20:59:58] <A-L-P-H-A> found it under the pile of papers on my desk... back to the workshop
[21:00:11] <asdfqwega> That's where people come in an borrow your tools, and don't tell you
[21:06:21] <anonimasu> :]
[21:09:29] <gezr> hello ya'll
[21:16:05] <anonimasu> wb
[21:16:12] <anonimasu> I need to leave for a bit got to change router
[21:36:59] <A-L-P-H-A> yikes. 1/2hr and I resulted in nothing.
[21:47:16] <slomo> i'm installing, still
[21:52:29] <slomo> paul_c: are you around ?
[21:58:21] <A-L-P-H-A> he was.
[22:00:21] <slomo> now he's not
[22:00:21] <slomo> prolly time for him to E.A.T
[22:00:21] <A-L-P-H-A> I believe it's almost 10pm for him.
[22:00:21] <A-L-P-H-A> well... /ctcp paul_c time doesn't work so I can't tell.
[22:00:21] <cradek> TZ=UTC date
[22:00:22] <A-L-P-H-A> ZULU.
[22:00:22] <cradek> I think he's in london
[22:00:22] <A-L-P-H-A> south side!
[22:00:22] <A-L-P-H-A> past the tracks, on the wrong side.
[22:00:22] <A-L-P-H-A> :) I've got no clue what I'm babbling.
[22:11:28] <les> anyone home?
[22:13:29] <cradek> not me
[22:13:29] <les> ha
[22:13:29] <les> well we are doing better...killing the gouge with anti vibration worked well
[22:13:29] <les> imagine ...signal processing theory to solve a woodworking problem
[22:13:29] <les> a new one for me
[22:13:29] <anonimasu> :]
[22:13:29] <cradek> what change did you make to the machine?
[22:13:40] <anonimasu> les: tell me about it please :)
[22:13:46] <les> it was the program
[22:13:52] <anonimasu> emc?
[22:14:00] <anonimasu> or the cnc program
[22:14:42] <les> at the beginning of the unblended arc about 1.5 cm had gouges from the accel jerk
[22:15:01] <les> only .1 mm deep
[22:15:14] <les> but costing $300 a week to sand out
[22:15:25] <les> so...
[22:15:41] <les> I lead in with a tangent G1
[22:15:51] <les> still does not blend
[22:16:19] <anonimasu> yeah you told me about it earlier
[22:16:27] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is curious about signal processing
[22:16:33] <les> but the short g1 starts the vibration
[22:16:48] <anonimasu> oh ok
[22:16:57] <anonimasu> so you slowed down the g1 right?
[22:16:58] <les> and the length is timed so that the g2 vibration phase is opposite
[22:17:04] <anonimasu> oh cool
[22:17:21] <les> so were putting a zero near that pole
[22:17:35] <les> but further away from the realaxis
[22:17:43] <les> it works
[22:17:49] <anonimasu> :]
[22:18:57] <les> It's a linear systerm so a second heaviside function cancels the effect of the first if the timing and amplidude is just right
[22:19:22] <anonimasu> nice
[22:19:33] <anonimasu> will you be able to make up for what you've lost?
[22:19:52] <les> thanks I had to think of something...I don't like to lose $300 a week
[22:20:17] <anonimasu> how'd you measure it?`
[22:20:24] <anonimasu> piezoelectric sensord?
[22:20:27] <anonimasu> sors?
[22:20:29] <les> well the labor for sanding out the gouge before was paid
[22:20:35] <les> it's gone now
[22:20:56] <les> I measured it with calipers!
[22:21:04] <anonimasu> lol
[22:21:05] <anonimasu> :]
[22:21:10] <les> and I know the speed and accel
[22:21:25] <les> it leaves a record like a phonograph record
[22:21:42] <les> clasic complex conjugate pole pair
[22:22:44] <anonimasu> :D
[22:22:46] <anonimasu> that's over my head
[22:23:16] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A was lost... and I'm a math major.
[22:23:36] <anonimasu> heh i changed router
[22:23:44] <anonimasu> my download speed went up to 300kb/S
[22:23:45] <cradek> good, I was starting to wonder if everyone here was better educated than me
[22:23:54] <anonimasu> and the uppload went aswell..
[22:23:55] <anonimasu> :]
[22:25:08] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is happy
[22:25:43] <A-L-P-H-A> now you got me testing my internal home network speeds.
[22:25:49] <A-L-P-H-A> forget it...
[22:26:03] <A-L-P-H-A> it works... it streams videos over thenetwork fine.
[22:26:17] <anonimasu> oh, this is off the internet :)
[22:26:26] <A-L-P-H-A> you suck.
[22:26:29] <anonimasu> hehe
[22:26:40] <anonimasu> actually it's doing 500kb/s
[22:26:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I get throttled at around 250kb... and I'm not behind a firewall on that computer.
[22:26:49] <anonimasu> I thought I had about 2 mbit..
[22:26:50] <A-L-P-H-A> you suck even more now.
[22:27:08] <anonimasu> lol
[22:28:39] <A-L-P-H-A> I remember when in first year I got a cable modem... no speed limits, as I was going through the schools pipe. At one sunday morning I think I had the entire schools bandwidth.
[22:28:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I was downloading at 917kb/s... this was back in 1997
[22:29:04] <anonimasu> :)
[22:29:04] <A-L-P-H-A> KB/s sorry
[22:34:09] <anonimasu> nice
[22:34:26] <A-L-P-H-A> ?
[22:34:36] <slomo> slomo has an update inre 4.08 if your interested paul_c
[22:34:49] <slomo> just my 2 cents worth
[22:36:31] <slomo> boots excellenct, nice boot splash, by the way....
[22:36:54] <slomo> but boots to the user configed in the setup...
[22:37:22] <slomo> root is not shown or allowed to log in from the GUI
[22:37:59] <A-L-P-H-A> slomo, which is really a good idea. :)
[22:38:13] <slomo> i have to su - root, from cli, no gui, not that that is bad
[22:39:08] <slomo> but no login selection, aloowing root may put off some, no GUI, you see
[22:40:50] <slomo> i need to config the setup to spin motors, no operation from the default install
[22:41:14] <slomo> not that that's bad either
[22:41:46] <slomo> but for some, cli, may intimidate, changing config files
[22:41:47] <A-L-P-H-A> sudo
[22:42:10] <A-L-P-H-A> you only need su access to install stuff anyways
[22:42:43] <slomo> yes, i know, just my $0.02 worth of input ..
[22:43:35] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... my openBSD box hasn't been turned on in over a month or two... it's actually in my way to my dresser.
[22:44:25] <slomo> A-L-P-H-A: or to write to some config file, and thats the point...
[22:44:39] <A-L-P-H-A> that's part of the installation. :) but yeah.
[22:46:15] <slomo> A-L-P-H-A: but not knowing YOU can login as root, from GUI, i guess, is my point
[22:46:47] <slomo> instead of just being logged in as normal user, get it ?
[22:52:32] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe. :)
[22:53:06] <A-L-P-H-A> I like it so that the user has to log in as a user... [created at startup], and then use only su/sudo after being authenticated.
[22:55:27] <slomo> suppose i'm spoiied, options and all, you know ?
[22:59:17] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[22:59:28] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is milling himself a shifter knob tomorrow
[23:03:59] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, cool... take photos. Is the machine yours? convertion? bought? shops?
[23:08:08] <les> I have thought of cnc machining retrofit walnut dashes etc for sports cars
[23:08:21] <les> but a lot of companies make them already
[23:08:30] <les> they sure are expensive
[23:36:35] <slomo> has jobs waiting, aircraft parts :)
[23:37:10] <paul_c> * paul_c is getting *very* frustrated.....
[23:38:07] <slomo> paul_c: with... ?
[23:38:48] <paul_c> usr trying to install the latest BDI and reporting a bunch of problems
[23:39:22] <slomo> must be time for a break :)
[23:39:52] <slomo> i know, i'm going to now try and config the new install
[23:41:10] <les> just saw your email about .ini examples
[23:41:20] <les> I have a web page with one
[23:41:27] <les> more wouldbe better
[23:41:43] <slomo> les: comments good or bad are welcome
[23:42:46] <slomo> les: i know, i stole an example :)
[23:42:53] <les> on my .ini web page I zeroed out the pid gains to prevent folks from loading and running the having a machine with severe palsy
[23:43:10] <les> then
[23:43:59] <les> I think that should be done on any servo .ini example
[23:44:36] <les> If something is wrong servos run away or go wild... steppers just stop
[23:44:47] <les> usually
[23:45:23] <les> Just answered Abdul's email as well
[23:45:26] <les> homing
[23:45:46] <les> seems to be universally broken with the latest tree
[23:46:07] <slomo> must be the time diff: No mail arrived since Jan 12 14:31
[23:46:16] <paul_c> * paul_c has seen steppers run away..
[23:46:44] <les> Some times I run away paul haha
[23:47:54] <les> * heh
[23:48:22] <les> rats that does not work on mirc
[23:48:59] <slomo> see yall tammra