#emc | Logs for 2004-12-16

[00:29:39] <cradek> asdfqwega: I carried one for a while, it was kind of fun but I got tired of carrying it around
[00:30:21] <cradek> asdfqwega: one of those spiral-bound pocket notebooks can do almost everything the PDA can (except cost you hundreds of dollars when you drop it in the toilet accidentally)
[00:31:51] <cradek> the funny thing is my friend actually did that to his $600 (?) clie? clei? whatever it's called
[01:17:32] <robin_sz> * robin_sz wonders if picnet is here again
[10:36:13] <robin_sz> meep?
[10:37:29] <alex_joni> meep
[10:37:52] <alex_joni> meeeepyy
[10:54:12] <alex_joni> meep?
[10:54:18] <alex_joni> no one around?
[10:56:32] <paul_c> <hiding>
[11:00:43] <alex_joni> can I hide too?
[11:09:44] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hides...
[11:16:30] <paul_c> * paul_c ponders what bugs to fix today...
[11:19:52] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks today is not a good bug-fixing day
[11:21:45] <paul_c> fixed one yesterday, don't see why I can't do another one today.
[11:23:57] <alex_joni> well... at least it's not a good bugfixing day for me...
[11:23:59] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is sick
[11:26:10] <paul_c> * paul_c bounces around full of beans...
[11:28:30] <alex_joni> * alex_joni got his kilt... ;)
[11:28:48] <alex_joni> still waiting for it to be delivered ...
[11:29:16] <paul_c> didya order the rest of the kit ?
[11:30:23] <alex_joni> yeah... it's kinda a lowcost kit
[11:31:33] <robin_sz> "become scottish for 10$ ..."
[11:31:52] <robin_sz> do they send you a pdf of a sporran to print out and wear?
[11:54:54] <alex_joni> funny...
[11:55:04] <alex_joni> it's around 100 squid
[11:55:32] <robin_sz> for the sporran?
[11:55:37] <alex_joni> for the kit
[11:55:42] <robin_sz> coo.
[11:55:42] <alex_joni> it's a kilt & shirt
[11:55:51] <alex_joni> & sporran
[11:55:56] <robin_sz> and do you have any scottish ancestry?
[11:56:10] <alex_joni> nope ;)
[11:56:26] <robin_sz> ha :)
[11:56:27] <alex_joni> so the tartan doesn't matter to me ;)
[11:56:31] <alex_joni> at least not the colors
[11:56:33] <paul_c> Irish ?
[11:57:22] <alex_joni> do you often see irish people wearing kilts?
[11:57:52] <paul_c> The Scots migrated up through Ireland originally...
[11:58:18] <alex_joni> I see...
[11:58:45] <alex_joni> well... don't really know about irish / scottish background :(
[11:59:00] <alex_joni> just one of those things on my to-read list...
[11:59:48] <paul_c> Do you have a liking for whisky...
[12:00:18] <paul_c> Financially astute....
[12:00:38] <robin_sz> subtle ...
[12:01:04] <robin_sz> * robin_sz goes out
[12:01:08] <paul_c> could have said "Yiddish tendancies"
[12:07:18] <alex_joni> nope
[12:10:06] <alex_joni> I only have some romanian, hungarian, and very little moldavian roots
[12:14:14] <alex_joni> how's the weather in the uk?
[12:15:04] <paul_c> grey & raining.
[12:15:59] <alex_joni> yucky
[12:16:06] <alex_joni> I can't wait to get out of town
[12:16:17] <alex_joni> * alex_joni needs sleep ...
[12:16:38] <paul_c> * paul_c wants to head to warmer climes for the winter...
[12:23:16] <alex_joni> whereto ?
[12:24:26] <paul_c> New Zealand
[12:25:14] <alex_joni> nice... no storms around this time of year?
[12:27:57] <paul_c> * paul_c wants do Honking Haggis @ Waitomo
[12:29:45] <alex_joni> beats me what that is...
[12:30:01] <alex_joni> Honking Haggis @ Waitomo ?
[12:34:31] <paul_c> http://www.waitomo.co.nz/haggas.html
[12:35:47] <alex_joni> talking about some peacefull holidays
[12:37:31] <paul_c> Harwood's Hole - A 200m pitch to get to the bottom of the entrance...
[12:44:29] <alex_joni> nice
[12:44:36] <alex_joni> wouldn't wanna go there ;)
[12:45:50] <alex_joni> how about http://www.skyjump.co.nz/ ?
[13:32:37] <alex_joni> this sounds nice: http://www.nationalgeographic.com/ngexpeditions/expeditions_trip_961.html
[13:44:01] <paul_c> bugger that for a game of soldiers... I want somewhere warm.
[13:44:49] <alex_joni> there are a lot warm ones too... but too expensive for me
[13:49:55] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes home...
[13:50:01] <alex_joni> bye
[14:19:24] <paul_c> Morning Les.
[14:44:05] <les> morning paul
[14:44:55] <les> just doing a search to find out why this dumb winxp has slowed down
[14:45:14] <les> I hate this os
[14:50:03] <CIA-9> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/emcioctl.c: File changed. New revision:emcmodule.c
[14:50:03] <CIA-9> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/Makefile: File changed. New revision:
[14:59:27] <paul_c> * paul_c is slowly working through the code fixing minor bugs.
[15:08:27] <les> ah...found some dumb memory mapper for video card that is using 95% of cpu...nvidea says it should not be there
[15:09:04] <les> have to reboot....later
[16:34:35] <les> paul...don't use nvidea products
[16:34:53] <robin_sz> meep?
[16:35:24] <robin_sz> * robin_sz returns from a intersting meeting with a rep
[16:35:32] <robin_sz> some comapnies have weird pricing ...
[16:35:35] <les> I just found out my "64m nvidia geforce" is really 32
[16:35:41] <les> hi robin
[16:35:52] <robin_sz> heh ... youve been done!
[16:36:09] <robin_sz> so ..
[16:36:18] <robin_sz> this company that makes belts and gears ...
[16:36:48] <robin_sz> if I have the standard pulley, they can bore them out from the standard pilot bore ..
[16:37:08] <robin_sz> cost is ~12GBP + 3GPB for the bore ...
[16:37:31] <les> it loads a memory emulator called rscmpt.exe that fakes the other 32 but uses 99% of the processor
[16:37:39] <les> why the special bore?
[16:37:43] <robin_sz> if I order them with a special tooth form, then they can do the bore at the same time ... pirce is 9 GBP total
[16:38:04] <les> hmmm
[16:38:13] <robin_sz> if you order them as specials you get OEM pricing ...
[16:38:25] <robin_sz> out of the catalogue its just standard pricing ...
[16:38:28] <robin_sz> go figure
[16:38:33] <paul_c> HPC ?
[16:38:39] <les> I use the gates gt form for most things...has the best regitration they say
[16:38:39] <robin_sz> nope,
[16:43:28] <robin_sz> weird though ... I eneded up ordering a batch of 20, with the bore I need, for less than I was paying for 20 out of the catalogue
[16:45:29] <les> I just hired a part time employee finally today
[16:45:58] <les> 20 hours a week of sanding
[16:46:11] <les> emc creates jobs!
[16:46:25] <les> a little bit anyway
[16:47:36] <les> used the dc motor for rotary sanding
[16:47:55] <les> need a brake normally to shut it off
[16:48:43] <les> but with the dc motor I just use a dpdt switch to short the motor windings through a power resistor
[16:48:51] <les> instant brake
[16:49:05] <robin_sz> yep
[16:49:25] <les> trouble is I don't have the right size resistor in the parts bin
[16:49:32] <les> so...
[16:49:34] <robin_sz> and did you buy a supply of dustmasks?
[16:50:05] <les> good point...I am about out
[16:50:24] <les> I am using a little electric heater for the resistor
[16:50:49] <robin_sz> neat
[16:50:54] <les> oh...also...the shop has 3 micron dust filtering
[16:51:02] <les> it helps a lot
[16:51:04] <robin_sz> electrostatic
[16:51:05] <robin_sz> ??
[16:51:31] <robin_sz> or cartridge filter
[16:51:40] <les> no just 3M filtrete. Actually it might be electret
[16:52:05] <robin_sz> you know what the worts possible thing for dust is ina wood shop?
[16:52:09] <les> I put a big furnace blower in a box with 2 of the filters
[16:52:20] <les> what?
[16:52:34] <robin_sz> those big dust bag collectors .. the cloth bag over a plastic bag type
[16:52:50] <les> dust causes worts? haha
[16:53:07] <les> oh yeah... my dust collector is nasty
[16:53:13] <robin_sz> they dont filter out the sub 30u stuff at all
[16:53:21] <robin_sz> and thats the most dangerous stuff
[16:53:40] <les> I find the 3 miron bags clog up too fast
[16:53:45] <robin_sz> worse ... they keep it going around and around in the shop air
[16:53:50] <les> can't use them
[16:54:04] <robin_sz> you use a cyclone first right?
[16:54:35] <les> I did...but unhooked it because of the pressure drop
[16:54:44] <robin_sz> wow ...
[16:54:54] <robin_sz> one moment ..
[16:55:07] <robin_sz> I need to direct you to the web cyclone resources :)
[16:55:13] <les> but the filter box catches the dc stuff pretty well
[16:55:42] <les> yes a full cyclone works better
[16:56:04] <robin_sz> http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm
[16:56:13] <les> I have a couple of those things that turn a trash bin into one
[16:56:15] <robin_sz> interesting site ... with some maths
[16:56:23] <les> big pressure drop
[16:56:24] <robin_sz> oh those ... they are nasty :)
[16:56:27] <robin_sz> yep
[16:56:40] <les> yes...I have that site
[16:56:53] <robin_sz> and ... once you get a decent flow, they just blow all the small stuff out again
[16:57:18] <les> big problem is the router....the chips get slung out so fast that the vac doesn't capture them
[16:57:35] <robin_sz> I plan on building a cyclone for the poweder coat booth
[16:57:43] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[16:58:14] <robin_sz> my plan for the router was to box it in, and go in with a shovel once in a while
[16:59:14] <les> I just need a use for cherry router chips
[16:59:22] <les> TONS of them
[16:59:28] <robin_sz> heh
[16:59:50] <robin_sz> how big is this run?
[17:00:00] <les> well as things pick up I will be changing some tools
[17:00:13] <les> 3000
[17:00:21] <les> for dec and jan
[17:00:21] <robin_sz> bige enough
[17:00:48] <les> on the list:
[17:00:56] <les> bigger tablesaw
[17:01:04] <les> another cnc mill
[17:01:10] <les> cyclone
[17:01:25] <les> wide belt sander?
[17:01:32] <les> big bucks there
[17:02:27] <robin_sz> i suspect you'll add most value to your product by the CNC stuff
[17:02:35] <robin_sz> the stuff other shops cant do
[17:03:04] <les> well I changed the tool path a bit when I added up the sanding labor
[17:03:20] <les> before it was 1 minute 45
[17:03:32] <les> now 2:15
[17:04:01] <les> added .01" cleanup passes for a better finish
[17:04:35] <les> I think that will be a good tradeoff
[17:05:28] <les> currently 27% of cost is sanding
[17:05:52] <robin_sz> right
[17:05:56] <les> sorry 27% of selling price
[17:07:22] <les> I think I can fudge costing out the cnc at $100/hr for internal stuff
[17:07:42] <les> at least for continuous production
[17:07:53] <les> $50 is a bit more real
[17:08:13] <les> 0.80/minute
[17:09:09] <les> a body is 0.16/minute
[17:09:16] <les> hmm
[17:10:25] <les> well...better get out to the shop now that my computer is about 1000% faster
[17:12:23] <robin_sz> * robin_sz was staring at photos
[17:13:03] <robin_sz> sometimes, even when the profit is less, its still worth having people do it
[17:13:15] <robin_sz> because you dont have to do it ...
[17:14:21] <les> yup
[17:14:46] <les> and as usual most of the money goes back in the shop
[17:15:10] <les> I can do that since I owe nothing
[17:15:29] <les> have some lust for a new audi....
[17:15:36] <les> but will try to curb that
[17:37:13] <paul_c> and the west coast stirs
[22:00:54] <les> another day of mr machinist ends...
[22:01:09] <robin_sz> was it fun?
[22:01:36] <les> making widgets on the boxford....well my feet are tired
[22:02:50] <les> I want to get the robotic testers outta here
[22:03:01] <les> and be mr woodworker a while
[22:03:15] <robin_sz> right
[22:03:36] <robin_sz> I try to not do more than 2 of anything by hand
[22:03:47] <robin_sz> I have a locla CNC lathe chap
[22:04:12] <les> I had to do 12 identical parts
[22:04:13] <robin_sz> if its more than 2, he gets to make at least 5 for me
[22:04:36] <les> add cnc lathe to the list of tooling I want
[22:04:43] <les> pity I gave two away
[22:04:59] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[22:05:23] <les> but it would have meant a third trip from chicago moving
[22:06:15] <les> $1500 and two days of nasty truck rides over the mountains
[22:06:20] <robin_sz> surely you could have soild them in chicago and replaced with on etrhrere?
[22:06:50] <paul_c> * paul_c enjoyed the road over the Smokies
[22:06:54] <les> no time...I was just overwhelmed with moving all that iron
[22:08:00] <les> paul...you wouldn't enjoy an overloaded truck on a 7% downgrade with over rev light AND brake overtemp light both on
[22:08:21] <robin_sz> 7%? almost flat!
[22:08:41] <les> haha so I thought
[22:09:13] <les> the up part had dozens of 18 wheelers parked and cooling off the engines
[22:09:33] <les> the runaway ramps are scary looking too
[22:09:42] <robin_sz> * robin_sz invites les to drive up and down newgate bank outside whitby
[22:10:12] <robin_sz> overall 1:4, touches 1:3 in places
[22:10:21] <les> I might have been around there...but in a Rover
[22:10:43] <robin_sz> yuk
[22:10:53] <les> I mean honda
[22:10:54] <les> haha
[22:11:01] <les> long ago
[22:11:01] <robin_sz> ah
[22:11:08] <robin_sz> I thought you meant land rover
[22:11:24] <les> no rover sedan...it was a while ago
[22:11:39] <robin_sz> they still make em
[22:11:49] <les> still hondas?
[22:12:01] <robin_sz> they got bought by bmw
[22:12:19] <paul_c> then sold for �1.00
[22:12:20] <robin_sz> then sold off the the management
[22:12:36] <les> like austin mini
[22:12:56] <robin_sz> 1.00 was a bit expensive
[22:13:01] <les> ha
[22:13:30] <les> well...like bmw...have one
[22:13:38] <les> a bit long in the tooth though
[22:14:52] <les> I am having bad audi TT ragtop thoughts though
[22:15:04] <les> must vanquish them
[22:15:22] <robin_sz> nice car
[22:15:28] <robin_sz> just ... butt ugly
[22:16:05] <les> I had an audi 100 before the bmw...it was much nicer but broke a lot initially
[22:16:19] <robin_sz> a freind of mne has a Skoda with an Audi TT engine .. as a works car
[22:16:26] <les> the hardtop is ugly....the rag looks better with the top down
[22:17:01] <les> bmw is a little too spartan inside
[22:17:36] <les> getting so old I actually rented a caddy northstar for a trip
[22:17:41] <les> blah
[22:17:44] <robin_sz> im not even thinking about cars till I see some money :)
[22:17:53] <les> i'm gettin worried...
[22:17:59] <les> cause I liked it
[22:18:14] <les> it was on itw anyway
[22:18:16] <robin_sz> wait till summer and buy a bike!
[22:18:33] <les> ha
[22:18:49] <robin_sz> im tryng to figure out how to get enough money to buy a pressbrake
[22:19:17] <les> naw really don't need cars...need tools more. anyway bought a truck last year
[22:20:18] <robin_sz> you know anything about pressbrakes?
[22:20:22] <robin_sz> mechanically?
[22:20:37] <les> sheet metal tool?
[22:20:43] <robin_sz> this is a hydraulic upstroking thing
[22:20:46] <robin_sz> yeah sheet metal
[22:21:12] <robin_sz> 2 basic controls
[22:21:18] <les> I think we call that a shear here
[22:21:31] <robin_sz> thats a guillotine no?
[22:21:37] <les> yes
[22:21:48] <robin_sz> ahh. no not a shear then
[22:22:21] <robin_sz> bender, folder
[22:22:40] <les> oh ok
[22:22:47] <robin_sz> 1 control sets the closing height
[22:22:56] <robin_sz> the other the max tonnage
[22:23:14] <robin_sz> i guess the tonnage is just a spring pressure relief valve
[22:23:21] <les> guess I don't know much about them
[22:23:42] <les> I don't have much sheet metal fab stuff
[22:23:54] <robin_sz> im guessing the closing height is some sort of hydraulic shuttle valve linked to the pressure beam
[22:24:08] <les> sounds like it
[22:24:16] <robin_sz> I was just wondering if that meant the height varied with oil temperature
[22:24:31] <les> don't know
[22:24:44] <les> what would you be fabricating with this?
[22:24:47] <robin_sz> and, if the metal was tougher, that would need more pressure, so maybe it wouldnt close so far?
[22:24:55] <robin_sz> parts for the plasma
[22:25:27] <robin_sz> I'd put a CNC backguage on it
[22:25:34] <robin_sz> and CNC the closing height
[22:26:36] <robin_sz> I was sort of wondering about using a encoder to sense the closing height
[22:26:46] <robin_sz> then I could sort of servo it
[22:27:11] <les> sure...hydraulics are servoed a lot
[22:27:17] <robin_sz> these things close real slow, it could be simple I guess
[22:27:47] <robin_sz> so you can get volts->valve opening blocks?
[22:28:03] <robin_sz> like a voltage controlled proportiannal vlave or summink?
[22:28:39] <les> yeah...but it might be more likely current controlled
[22:28:46] <robin_sz> sure
[22:28:59] <robin_sz> thats interesting
[22:29:22] <les> ah it's so nice to have the computer responding quickly
[22:29:37] <robin_sz> ah your 64m wrapper is gone?
[22:30:03] <les> removed a video memory emulator that was using 99% of cpu
[22:30:13] <robin_sz> yeah, you said. nice.
[22:30:18] <robin_sz> this is 'doze right?
[22:30:26] <les> brb phone
[22:34:28] <les> grandma
[22:34:45] <les> yeah doze...hate it but must use it
[22:35:24] <les> ha grandma cooked me up some dinner
[22:35:31] <robin_sz> nice :)
[22:35:38] <les> she is soon turning 98
[22:35:42] <robin_sz> coo
[22:36:11] <paul_c> 'nother cuple of years, and she'd get a telegram from the Queen.
[22:36:26] <les> really
[22:36:32] <robin_sz> uh huh
[22:36:37] <robin_sz> well in england she would
[22:37:18] <les> hmm wonder if she would do that for the colonies
[22:37:20] <robin_sz> * robin_sz remembers Len Vale-Onslow
[22:38:11] <les> we are a bunch of normans and scots anyway haha
[22:38:20] <robin_sz> sadly, len died this year
[22:38:55] <robin_sz> http://www.vale-onslow.co.uk/LVO_1.htm
[22:39:50] <les> rode a bike at 102...wow
[22:40:17] <les> we have an active pilot here that is 99 or something
[22:40:18] <robin_sz> ISTR he got on OBE or some such at 100 and road to the palace from bham to collect it
[22:40:46] <les> i deserve a obe haha
[22:41:00] <robin_sz> my freinds father-in-law ditched with three mates off guernsey last year
[22:41:04] <robin_sz> in a 172
[22:41:11] <les> yikes
[22:41:18] <robin_sz> made the papers, as they were all over 80
[22:41:21] <les> channel=nasty
[22:41:43] <robin_sz> actually, he was 79, just
[22:41:53] <robin_sz> now I remember
[22:42:01] <robin_sz> didnt put them off though
[22:42:14] <les> I was taught the thing won't float long
[22:42:26] <les> and land on top of a swell
[22:42:45] <robin_sz> tail donw and mush in
[22:43:28] <robin_sz> trouble with the sea is waves are at 90 deg to the wind
[22:43:40] <les> did a really dumb cherokee 6 ride from fla to eleuthra, bahamas once
[22:43:43] <robin_sz> most inconsiderate
[22:43:51] <robin_sz> uh huh ...
[22:43:55] <robin_sz> how dumb?
[22:44:10] <les> blue above , blue below
[22:44:22] <les> ifr really even in clear weather
[22:45:12] <robin_sz> and you had lifejackets and were ferrying raw steak?
[22:45:19] <les> ditch and you are dead...plane and emergency locator sinks
[22:45:32] <les> ferrying raw pretty girls as I recall
[22:45:48] <robin_sz> same thing
[22:45:52] <les> haha
[22:46:36] <les> love bahamas but will never again do that ride in a single engine ac
[22:46:49] <robin_sz> * robin_sz makes note to attach the epirb to the life raft
[22:47:37] <robin_sz> my airbus 320 freind was telling me about single engine performance on those things ..
[22:47:39] <robin_sz> amazing
[22:47:43] <les> well first landfall is 75 miles out or so
[22:47:49] <robin_sz> still do a 20,000 foot ceiling on one engine
[22:48:01] <les> climb to 10,000 over the coast
[22:48:16] <les> first third you can glide back
[22:48:31] <les> last third you can glide to destination
[22:48:42] <les> middle third you are screwed
[22:49:12] <robin_sz> should still be able to get near land I guess
[22:49:19] <les> I think having engine failure once cured me of silly things like that
[22:49:28] <robin_sz> heh
[22:50:08] <les> it's true...the purpose of the fan in front is to cool the pilot
[22:50:37] <les> really start sweating when irt stops
[22:50:37] <les> it
[22:50:37] <les> haha
[22:50:51] <les> actually prop kept turning in my incedent
[22:50:59] <les> incident
[22:51:15] <robin_sz> heh, thats not so good
[22:51:18] <les> stall the plane and it will stop though
[22:51:22] <robin_sz> wuite
[22:51:30] <robin_sz> they ruin the glide when turning
[22:51:36] <les> right
[22:51:50] <les> so instructor taught me hoe to stop it
[22:51:50] <robin_sz> did you remember to stop it?
[22:52:07] <les> no...no time...was 800 agl
[22:52:15] <robin_sz> heh
[22:52:25] <robin_sz> remember to switch the mags off?
[22:52:31] <les> on the ground in 45 seconds
[22:52:40] <les> no
[22:52:45] <robin_sz> oopsy :)
[22:52:51] <les> I didn't do anything
[22:52:58] <les> just flew the plane
[22:53:19] <robin_sz> freind of mine had an efato, forgot to kill the mags
[22:53:35] <robin_sz> put it nicely in a field just off the ned of the strip
[22:53:51] <les> I was in the pattern
[22:53:55] <les> no problem
[22:54:00] <robin_sz> then the engine blipped .. and put him stright between two trees, taking the wings off
[22:54:25] <robin_sz> oh right, you had a strip to land on :) thats cheating :)
[22:54:31] <les> just a 40 degree bank directly to the field and a no flaps landing
[22:54:40] <robin_sz> nice
[22:54:51] <robin_sz> bob hovver would have been proud of you
[22:55:05] <les> 40 gets you turned around the quickest with minimum altitude loss
[22:55:14] <robin_sz> * robin_sz notes that down
[22:55:20] <les> I have met hoover!!!
[22:55:24] <robin_sz> we were always told "NEVER TURNN BACK"
[22:55:35] <les> me too
[22:55:36] <robin_sz> ooh, you ,lucky lucky ...
[22:55:50] <robin_sz> seen his 'engine off' demo?
[22:55:53] <les> I was midfield downwind
[22:55:58] <les> many times
[22:56:07] <robin_sz> living legend
[22:56:23] <les> yeah...I met him at oskosh
[22:56:35] <robin_sz> ive seen his 'pouring tea' video a few times .. thats awesome
[22:56:49] <robin_sz> * robin_sz forgets what its really called
[22:56:59] <les> in the lear in a barrel roll?
[22:57:05] <robin_sz> thats the one
[22:57:14] <les> have seen it
[22:57:22] <les> never did it
[22:57:27] <robin_sz> lear is an amzingly agile plane
[22:57:40] <les> did lots of 0 g ellipses though
[22:57:48] <robin_sz> heh
[22:57:52] <les> 10-15 sec or so
[22:58:10] <robin_sz> I enjoyed showing my brother the pencil on the dashboard trick
[22:58:16] <les> ?
[22:58:23] <robin_sz> zero g and try and catch it in your mouth
[22:58:34] <les> haha
[22:58:58] <robin_sz> about attempt three he said something about 'sick' and 'do it agian I kill you'
[22:59:08] <les> I usually just put my clipboard in my lap
[22:59:25] <les> tried to keep it floating around my nose
[22:59:30] <robin_sz> heheh
[22:59:42] <les> it's a puker for sure
[22:59:57] <les> hate when that happens
[22:59:58] <robin_sz> i find it fine if I have my hand on the stick
[23:00:08] <les> right me too
[23:00:22] <les> it's kids that lose it
[23:00:24] <robin_sz> ooh, saw a nice boat opportunity
[23:00:31] <robin_sz> one moment
[23:01:52] <les> I will go over to my grandma's and pick up my dinner now
[23:01:58] <les> back in a while
[23:02:40] <robin_sz> http://www.boatquest.com/Sail/Stephens-Marine/Category/Length/2363/Feet/USD/1/boats.aspx
[23:02:48] <robin_sz> ach hes gone
[23:03:21] <les> still here
[23:03:28] <les> nice boat
[23:03:35] <les> fell bad though
[23:03:37] <robin_sz> good project
[23:04:01] <les> was going to head down near there for jan and feb
[23:04:05] <les> can't now
[23:04:10] <les> too much work
[23:04:27] <les> my kids are there
[23:04:51] <les> back in a little while
[23:04:51] <robin_sz> they enjoyed the typhoons?
[23:05:04] <les> oh...they were devastated
[23:05:11] <robin_sz> oopsy
[23:05:12] <les> trashed the place
[23:05:25] <robin_sz> insurance will pay?
[23:05:30] <les> yup
[23:05:44] <les> had no power for...a month
[23:05:54] <robin_sz> nasty
[23:06:00] <les> no roof either
[23:06:02] <robin_sz> they upped and left
[23:06:04] <robin_sz> ??
[23:06:28] <les> well..ex says she is moving up near here
[23:06:35] <les> so I guess
[23:06:56] <les> at the time they evacuated of course
[23:07:12] <les> they were right at the shore
[23:07:20] <robin_sz> nasty
[23:07:36] <robin_sz> so basically, its a full rebuild
[23:08:03] <les> yes big mess...I was planning on renting a houseboat to live on while down there
[23:08:13] <les> but the marina is GONE
[23:08:42] <les> oh well can't go anyway
[23:08:52] <robin_sz> yikes
[23:09:08] <les> better get to grandma's house...back in a while
[23:09:08] <robin_sz> still .. the building trade will do well
[23:09:12] <robin_sz> 'k