#emc | Logs for 2004-12-15

[14:30:29] <alex_joni> * alex_joni waves
[14:31:02] <paul_c> * paul_c gesticulates in response
[15:03:34] <alex_joni> hey paul
[15:03:37] <alex_joni> long time...
[15:03:42] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has been away
[15:05:39] <paul_c> It hadn't gone unoticed
[15:05:54] <alex_joni> really?
[15:09:41] <alex_joni> what is new around?
[15:09:53] <alex_joni> I briefly got the time to look over the logs...
[15:10:11] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has seen some work from paul_c on BDI4.0x
[15:11:09] <paul_c> It's now out in the wild being tested.
[15:13:21] <alex_joni> is it some where public to download from?
[15:13:31] <paul_c> not yet.
[15:16:42] <alex_joni> I see.. how is 2.6. going?
[15:17:06] <paul_c> No problems so afr.
[15:17:11] <alex_joni> I've seen some movement of the Makefiles from the top level dir
[15:17:22] <alex_joni> but didn't have the chance yet to check out
[15:17:29] <alex_joni> just the cvs-commit messages
[15:20:31] <paul_c> Slowly committing the 2.6 work to SF, but it isn't all there yet, so won't compile.
[15:20:47] <alex_joni> are you working on a branch?
[15:21:00] <paul_c> pc_2_6_test
[15:21:26] <alex_joni> oh.. ok
[15:23:12] <alex_joni> thought I saw some commits on the branch... but I looked closer and it was on the 2.6 branch
[15:24:16] <CIA-9> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/emcmotcfg.h: File changed. New revision:emcmotglb.c
[15:24:17] <CIA-9> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/usrmotintf.c: File changed. New revision:usrmotintf.h
[15:24:17] <CIA-9> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/emcsh.cc: File changed. New revision:
[15:24:41] <paul_c> Doing most of the testing with a local repo.
[15:25:32] <alex_joni> just say if you need help
[15:28:13] <paul_c> am toying with the idea of using the autoconf stuff in rcslib/etc to generate a realtime.def & nonrealtime.def
[15:28:30] <alex_joni> want me to take a peek?
[15:29:02] <paul_c> It should be fairly trivial to do...
[15:29:12] <alex_joni> I think so too...
[15:29:24] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is having a look at a .def file
[15:29:43] <paul_c> Both defs share a lot of common data
[15:29:50] <alex_joni> I don't really like the way it handles some defaults (e.g. rtaidir)
[15:30:07] <alex_joni> that's a script that gets executed everytime a def is included
[15:30:10] <alex_joni> yuck
[15:31:27] <alex_joni> what I want to think about is the sepparation between rcslib and emc1
[15:31:47] <alex_joni> how and where gets autoconf (./configure) run?
[15:32:02] <alex_joni> just one time in rcslib, and keep it kinda like now?
[15:32:22] <alex_joni> or would it help if done otherwise
[15:34:11] <paul_c> * paul_c was thinking about a shell script in the top level dir - See emc/scripts/generic/compile*
[15:37:08] <alex_joni> top level = above rcslib and emc ?
[15:37:42] <paul_c> yes
[15:38:11] <alex_joni> I see... (but the .def files do have to be kept inside rcslib/etc/ )
[15:38:28] <alex_joni> otherwise it would involve a lot of changes.. right?
[15:39:50] <paul_c> yup
[15:40:25] <paul_c> emc.run would also need a small adjustment too.
[15:40:47] <alex_joni> how do you feel about the ./configure generated emc.run ?
[15:41:00] <paul_c> Ug.
[15:41:08] <alex_joni> Ug.?
[15:42:30] <paul_c> as in "horrible idea"
[15:44:41] <alex_joni> and why's that?
[15:46:09] <paul_c> To use configure to alter one or two lines in a 1000 line script just strikes me as being daft.
[15:46:34] <paul_c> There are better tools for that sort of thing, if it is needed at all.
[15:46:38] <alex_joni> I agree on that... but to include a config-file (as an alternative) is horrible too
[15:47:17] <alex_joni> so you think we should leave the sorting of what files get run to emc.run ?
[15:48:41] <paul_c> emc.run already knows about files (and the required parameters)
[15:50:13] <alex_joni> it doesn't know about paths yet
[15:50:50] <alex_joni> have a look at the autoconf_install_0_1 branch when you'll have the time
[15:50:52] <paul_c> You talking about emc1 or 2 ?
[15:51:12] <alex_joni> emc2
[15:51:52] <alex_joni> and maybe (I didn't look at emc1.run yet) take over some concepts to emc1 from there
[15:54:06] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is going home
[15:54:13] <alex_joni> talk about this tomorrow
[15:54:14] <alex_joni> bye
[20:32:25] <les> anyone home?
[20:32:33] <robin_sz> * robin_sz is
[20:32:41] <robin_sz> hi less
[20:32:44] <les> aha
[21:16:46] <paul_c> Yo Ray - Missed you first time round.
[21:22:25] <rayh> Hi Paul
[21:23:06] <rayh> That's the way this dev stuff is. Get a direction going and takes a while to get round to other things.
[21:24:12] <paul_c> Been fixing minor bugs today...
[21:24:31] <rayh> Trying to get the cd burner going under 4.02 and can't figure out how to get the usual info.
[21:25:18] <paul_c> dev=/dev/hd[a|b|c|d]
[21:27:01] <rayh> Nothing happens except a return prompt.
[21:27:39] <paul_c> sudo cdrecord -v dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso
[21:27:49] <paul_c> is the incantation I use...
[21:28:08] <rayh> No cat /proc/pci???
[21:28:33] <rayh> I can't even see the cdrom.
[21:28:35] <cradek> rayh: try sudo cdrecord -scanbus
[21:29:10] <paul_c> lsmod | grep ide_cd
[21:31:12] <rayh> no return from lsmod.
[21:32:11] <paul_c> try insmodding ide_cd
[21:32:12] <rayh> scanbus found it at 0,0,0
[21:32:40] <cradek> then try cdrecord dev=0,0,0 file.iso
[21:32:46] <cradek> (is your machine a real scsi?)
[21:32:55] <rayh> Do i need hdc=scsi in grub?
[21:33:01] <rayh> No ide
[21:33:14] <robin_sz> hi les ...
[21:33:21] <robin_sz> sorry, the connection dropped
[21:33:26] <cradek> rayh: don't know (mine is real scsi)
[21:33:43] <paul_c> It isn't needed with 2.6 kernels.
[21:33:48] <les> just walked back in from the shop
[21:34:38] <robin_sz> todays task was snazzing up the powder oven a bit
[21:34:48] <rayh> can't read ide_cd no such file...
[21:35:07] <robin_sz> it was a conveyor system, but I wanted a small static batch oven
[21:35:56] <robin_sz> so, turned it upside down so it has a slot in the bottom, rather than a slot in the top (where the conveyor used to go) put it on a stand, and will make up some frames (like clothes rails) to hang stuff on and wheel it in
[21:36:29] <paul_c> lemme boot a new install...
[21:36:34] <les> I have to make many more drying racks
[21:37:03] <robin_sz> I'm planning 3 racks, 1 painting .. one in the oven, one cooling
[21:37:29] <les> gosh I need about 20 racks
[21:37:37] <les> but that's wet paint...
[21:37:42] <robin_sz> euw
[21:37:59] <robin_sz> cant powder it?
[21:38:23] <les> it is possible to powder wood
[21:38:36] <robin_sz> i know
[21:38:39] <robin_sz> works a treat on MDF
[21:38:43] <les> but no, I will use a uralkyd
[21:39:33] <robin_sz> they have cure cycles in the order of 30 seconds :)
[21:39:33] <les> In my case dwell (drying) time is pretty much free
[21:40:07] <robin_sz> except for the racks ...
[21:40:07] <les> ...if I have a lot of racks
[21:40:07] <les> haha yeah
[21:42:57] <les> well I have this shelf thing in the booth
[21:42:57] <les> has about 20 slots in it
[21:42:57] <robin_sz> can you UV zap it to push it on a bit?
[21:42:57] <les> each holds a slab of osb with 20 or so parts
[21:42:57] <robin_sz> right
[21:42:57] <les> uralkyds dry by oxidation polymerization
[21:42:57] <les> heat helps...(double reaction rate every 10c)
[21:42:57] <robin_sz> right
[21:42:57] <robin_sz> so .. being winter isnt a plus pointthen
[21:42:57] <les> uv tears up the toluene di isocyanate
[21:42:57] <les> yeah 19f this morning
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> whats that in proper money?
[21:47:14] <les> and its fall by the way
[21:47:14] <les> uh....-5
[21:47:14] <les> -6
[21:47:14] <les> there I go using paul's legacy units again
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> I'll accept celsius and kelvin
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> anything else is for houswives and cooking
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> so ...
[21:47:14] <les> actually I always use mks for science/engineering
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> yesterday I was absolutely thirsty
[21:47:14] <les> but most of my tools in the shop are imperial
[21:47:14] <les> thirsty? so what did you do about it?
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> went into the office, grabbed a bottle of coke and took 3 or 4 big ... long ... gulps
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> then thought ... 'hmmm .. not fizzy'
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> infact ... tastes a bit ... mouldy
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> sure enough, it had gone cloudy :(
[21:47:14] <les> ugh
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> then I reallised it wasnt even coke ...
[21:47:14] <robin_sz> it was some blackcurrant cordial I made up
[21:47:15] <robin_sz> in june!!
[21:47:21] <les> your taste buds are shot
[21:47:23] <les> or eyes
[21:48:12] <robin_sz> it had gone brown, like coke
[21:48:12] <les> more oxidation
[21:48:50] <robin_sz> it tasted like ide been eating a strong cheese, like stilton
[21:48:50] <les> haw
[21:48:50] <robin_sz> this was yesterday, still alive today :)
[21:49:38] <les> at least not poisoned like that poor guy in Ukraine
[21:50:28] <les> hey...what do you charge for your plama machines?
[21:50:39] <les> plasma
[21:51:18] <les> I'll bet plama means something in spanish...wonder what
[22:15:56] <picnet> * picnet isnt really here (ever)
[22:16:07] <robin_sz> we noticed
[22:16:13] <picnet> you did?
[22:16:44] <picnet> anything new besides microchip technology?
[22:18:53] <paul_c> 0.5cc rotary engine... micro gas turbines running at 12Mrpm
[22:19:16] <picnet> nanoscale?
[22:20:43] <robin_sz> hey picent .. has all the snow melted?
[22:20:52] <paul_c> 4mm dia rotor
[22:20:52] <picnet> yep
[22:21:03] <robin_sz> nice and .. soggy now?
[22:21:03] <picnet> its like a skating ring.
[22:21:13] <robin_sz> yuk :)
[22:21:22] <robin_sz> how I love this bit of the finnish winter
[22:21:25] <robin_sz> not!
[22:21:43] <picnet> lol, ive done the tripple step a few times but havent fell yet.
[22:21:51] <robin_sz> heh
[22:22:04] <robin_sz> I got my machine through to 'production' version now
[22:23:01] <picnet> your not cutting the parts, rather they fly out some other companies machine?
[22:23:08] <tbl> hey robin, long time no talk
[22:23:15] <robin_sz> hey tbl!
[22:23:22] <tbl> paul_c, by rotary to you mean wankel?
[22:23:30] <robin_sz> picnet: nah, i cut the parts, I got another laser :)
[22:23:41] <picnet> "L.A.S.E.R"
[22:23:44] <tbl> my mechanic is trying to convince me to put a 20b engine in my car (3-rotor wankel twin turbo)
[22:23:49] <tbl> picnet, haha
[22:23:49] <robin_sz> not the one you saw
[22:23:50] <picnet> nice, no go with the super one I saw?
[22:24:01] <robin_sz> still there .. not had time to play
[22:24:12] <robin_sz> the new one is .. errr ... bigger :)
[22:24:17] <robin_sz> like 8 tonnes :)
[22:24:27] <picnet> one that works and is able to cut is better than one the doenst work and is not able to cut. <you do know i have a phd in stating the obvious?>
[22:25:21] <robin_sz> yes
[22:25:47] <robin_sz> http://www.rapidcut.co.uk/images/LY2500.jpg .. I think
[22:26:16] <picnet> why did I read "traumatic LT 2500" on that machine?
[22:26:24] <robin_sz> trumatic
[22:26:31] <robin_sz> but your version might be better
[22:26:35] <picnet> lol
[22:27:11] <picnet> my sony pda took a dive in the toilet, made me think why "stuff just aint water proof"
[22:27:36] <picnet> a wash in distilled water didnt fix it either - alas its in silicon heaven.
[22:27:40] <robin_sz> heh
[22:27:58] <robin_sz> I normally jusy stick em under the shower
[22:28:09] <picnet> memory stick thingie survived, so that was good.
[22:31:21] <picnet> nuku aika.
[22:32:28] <asdfqwega> How useful are PDA's?
[22:32:55] <asdfqwega> Sometimes I think, "Hey, I could use one..."
[22:33:33] <asdfqwega> But I doubt they'd take the abuse from me
[22:37:45] <robin_sz> hey tbl ...
[22:37:49] <robin_sz> * robin_sz kicks tbl
[22:45:28] <paul_c> tbl: In answer to your question yesterday... Yes.
[23:18:53] <tbl> what was my question yesterday?
[23:18:59] <tbl> and what's up robin_sz !
[23:20:22] <paul_c> "Can BDI-4.02 be run on a P2 400MHz"
[23:56:03] <robin_sz> * robin_sz returns