#emc | Logs for 2004-11-23

[00:01:20] <alex_joni> IRC-LOGS now up to 24.10.2004
[00:01:47] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is pretty dizzy from that much info (just read through 3 sunday logs)
[00:04:35] <jepler> paul_c: can you tell me the versions of these packages (I may have the names wrong) on the next version of bdi? python python-tkinter tk python-opengl blt bwidget
[00:06:45] <paul_c> Haven't decided for sure about python-opengl, and blt & bwidget haven't been selected for inclusion....
[00:07:03] <paul_c> The base will be python-2.3
[00:09:13] <jepler> uh oh -- without python-opengl my software is not going to run. I also require blt and bwidget (but I could probably remove the blt requirement, and I already package up bwidget because I wasn't aware of a redhat package for it)
[00:09:43] <CIA-9> 03paul_c 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/ (configure configure.in): Changed the default locale path and added a comment..
[00:09:58] <paul_c> * paul_c would need to look for a bwidget.deb
[00:10:04] <jepler> paul_c: and python-tkinter seemed not to be present on the last bdi (python -c 'import Tkinter' failed)
[00:11:00] <jepler> paul_c: there is a debian version of bwidget: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=bwidget
[00:11:27] <jepler> I don't know if 1.3.1 (the stable one) is good enough for my needs or not, I am using 1.7.
[00:12:09] <paul_c> The next BDI may not have many of the Python extensions, but then it is a beta version.
[00:13:07] <paul_c> Later version could have them included, either on the primary disk, or on a suplimental.
[00:13:57] <jepler> is there anything I can do to increase the chances that the packages I need are available?
[00:14:33] <paul_c> put the code in the emc2 tree ;}
[00:15:23] <jepler> I'm not ready yet. :(
[00:16:02] <cradek> paul_c: how long until the package list for this bdi is firmly decided?
[00:18:02] <paul_c> This build system only requires me to add a package name to a list (along with all the dependencies)
[00:18:20] <paul_c> So it's fairly easy to add to the list.
[00:18:28] <jepler> except you're running short of space, right?
[00:19:53] <paul_c> give me a few mins, and I'll let you know...
[00:22:25] <alex_joni> * alex_joni was on the phone...
[00:22:39] <paul_c> 631Meg at the moment
[00:22:42] <alex_joni> paul: your latest patch.. does that include the CC check?
[00:23:11] <paul_c> nope
[00:23:26] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is curious what cvs up will produce ....
[00:41:15] <paul_c> cradek: I'm thinking about splitting all the dev libs and tools out to a supplimental CD - This would provide space for a load of usr apps...
[00:42:33] <cradek> it would also be nice if the users who don't want to do development wouldn't have to download such a big system.
[00:42:53] <alex_joni> they can always apt-get later what they need
[00:43:29] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is puzzled
[00:44:13] <alex_joni> ./configure now sees gcc as not GNU C compiler
[00:49:33] <alex_joni> something is very fishy :(
[00:56:11] <paul_c> Does it still produce the correct version string ?
[00:56:28] <alex_joni> who?
[00:56:46] <paul_c> gcc
[00:57:05] <alex_joni> it actually works.. some problem with autoconf I think
[01:03:15] <alex_joni> don't know what happened there... I reran autoconf, now it works
[01:07:52] <alex_joni> hmmm... guess I figured out what happened, but not why
[01:08:14] <alex_joni> if I move the CC test to line 251 it stops working
[01:12:30] <alex_joni> if it's at line 290 or greater it works
[01:13:42] <alex_joni> I see.. there is a AC_CHECK_HEADERS between these lines
[01:13:54] <alex_joni> and AC_CHECK_HEADERS does a CC-check by itself
[01:14:12] <alex_joni> so the CC-test we wrote is actually busted somehow
[01:14:27] <alex_joni> but if it's after the AC_CHECK_HEADERS it doesn't get run
[01:14:35] <alex_joni> it just uses cached values
[01:28:47] <jepler> well, heck. I just talked to someone using debian testing and I learned that their PyOpenGL package is broken (import OpenGL.Tk segfaults).
[01:30:26] <cradek> grrrngh
[01:36:04] <alex_joni> paul_c: does the gcc check work ok for you?
[01:47:52] <alex_joni> this is _really_ weird
[01:49:44] <alex_joni> a simple configure.in (with only AC_PROG_CC(gcc) in it):
[01:49:47] <alex_joni> ./configure
[01:49:47] <alex_joni> checking for cc version... gcc check
[01:49:47] <alex_joni> checking for gcc... gcc
[01:49:47] <alex_joni> checking for C compiler default output... a.out
[01:49:47] <alex_joni> checking whether the C compiler works... yes
[01:49:47] <alex_joni> checking whether we are cross compiling... no
[01:49:49] <alex_joni> checking for suffix of executables...
[01:49:52] <alex_joni> checking for suffix of object files... o
[01:49:53] <alex_joni> checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
[01:49:55] <alex_joni> checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
[01:49:57] <alex_joni> checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed
[01:54:01] <alex_joni> and the configure.in from CVS i have:
[01:54:18] <alex_joni> echo "testing for gcc"
[01:54:25] <alex_joni> AC_PROG_CC(gcc)
[01:54:32] <alex_joni> the output looks like this:
[01:55:30] <alex_joni> testing for gcc
[01:55:30] <alex_joni> checking for gcc... gcc
[01:55:30] <alex_joni> checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... no
[01:55:30] <alex_joni> checking whether gcc accepts -g... no
[01:55:30] <alex_joni> checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed
[01:55:31] <alex_joni> checking for kernel version... checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
[01:55:32] <alex_joni> checking for egrep... grep -E
[01:55:34] <alex_joni> checking for ANSI C header files... no
[01:55:37] <alex_joni> checking for sys/types.h... no
[01:55:38] <alex_joni> checking for sys/stat.h... no
[01:55:40] <alex_joni> checking for stdlib.h... no
[01:55:43] <alex_joni> checking for string.h... no
[01:55:45] <alex_joni> checking for memory.h... no
[01:55:46] <alex_joni> checking for strings.h... no
[01:55:49] <alex_joni> checking for inttypes.h... no
[01:55:50] <alex_joni> checking for stdint.h... no
[01:55:52] <alex_joni> checking for unistd.h... no
[01:58:38] <alex_joni> anybody got any ideas?
[02:02:42] <paul_c> Do the header checks work if done before the gcc test ?
[02:03:23] <alex_joni> well those are actually done by AC_PROG_CC
[02:03:40] <alex_joni> but if I move a AC_CHECK_HEADERS before the gcc test
[02:03:44] <alex_joni> then it works
[02:04:04] <alex_joni> that AC_CHECK_HEADERS also runs a AC_PROG_CC (not sure what type)
[02:17:10] <alex_joni> what the fsck...
[02:17:18] <alex_joni> I really can't explain this one...
[02:17:32] <alex_joni> if it's outside the if else it works
[02:17:43] <alex_joni> * alex_joni talking about AC_PROG_CC(gcc)
[02:22:47] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has found the problem...
[02:23:08] <alex_joni> it seems that autoconf is confused by the multiple AC_PROG_CC
[02:23:23] <alex_joni> that are in the if ... then ... elif ... else ... fi
[02:29:41] <paul_c> So move any gcc tests outside the if..then loops
[02:30:23] <alex_joni> yup.. that's what I'm doing now
[02:30:42] <alex_joni> and a single AC_PROG_CC([$RTSCC gcc egcs]) test
[02:31:16] <alex_joni> yup.. works like this... will commit soon
[02:33:22] <alex_joni> this was a nasty one to trace
[02:34:41] <paul_c> Another potential prob....
[02:35:26] <paul_c> ./configure --with-rtai=/foo/rtai --with-rtlinux=/foo/rtl --yadda
[02:36:01] <alex_joni> thought that was tested...
[02:38:06] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is commiting the CC fix
[02:38:15] <CIA-9> 03alex_joni 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/ (configure configure.in): moved the CC tests in order not to check for CC twice. Fixed a problem with the CC check (multiple AC_PROG_CC seem to confuse autoconf)
[02:39:28] <alex_joni> the --with-rtai --with-rtlinux is actually getting checked at lines 63 and 81
[02:39:33] <paul_c> rtai & rtlinux, or rtlinux & rtlinuxpro, but no rtai & rtlinuxpro
[02:40:06] <paul_c> Arg... stand corrected.
[02:40:25] <alex_joni> it's rtdir
[02:40:31] <alex_joni> that was because I was lasy
[02:40:33] <alex_joni> lazy
[02:41:03] <alex_joni> should I test explicitely? or is it ok like this?
[02:42:59] <paul_c> should be OK
[02:44:37] <alex_joni> ok.. so how do you see the merging?
[02:45:00] <paul_c> fun & games
[02:45:09] <alex_joni> a. remove all unwanted stuff from the branch and merge the whole branch
[02:45:22] <alex_joni> b. merge only configure.in configure and Makefile.inc.in
[02:45:45] <alex_joni> I tried it last night and those files work on emc2 - trunk (with minor adjustments)
[02:46:17] <alex_joni> only the AC_CONFIG_FILES from the end of configure.in need to vanish
[03:01:39] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has got to leave... talk to you tomorrow...
[03:03:20] <alex_joni> bye...
[04:39:25] <CIA-9> 03slot_1 07status * 10compile_farm/: fail | success
[04:43:20] <alex_joni> paul_c: still around?
[04:43:27] <paul_c> yup
[04:43:51] <alex_joni> hi.. again ;)
[04:47:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is checking out the latest autoconf and testing at home too
[04:52:42] <alex_joni> yup.. seems to be working
[04:52:49] <alex_joni> how about that merging?
[05:07:46] <alex_joni> hey martin
[05:09:07] <Imperator_> Hi Alex
[05:10:56] <Imperator_> Hm, I'm serching for a solution for the ganry axis problem. I think John would be not so happy if i chose the solution to change things in EMC
[05:10:57] <alex_joni> * alex_joni just got his last 3 numbers of c't
[05:11:18] <Imperator_> the computer magazin !
[05:11:31] <alex_joni> well.. I think he realized that's the way to go
[05:11:37] <alex_joni> yes: the computer magazin
[05:11:47] <alex_joni> don't know when I'll get time to read it thou...
[05:13:05] <Imperator_> thats the only computer magazin in germany you can read the others are only advertisements of the manufactors
[05:13:20] <alex_joni> I like IX too
[05:13:21] <Imperator_> but the c't is very good
[05:13:35] <alex_joni> but sometimes IX is too much 4 me :)
[05:13:43] <Imperator_> same publisher
[05:13:48] <alex_joni> yup.. heise
[05:14:00] <alex_joni> IX: versteht nicht jeder, ist auch besser so ;)
[05:14:10] <Imperator_> :-)
[05:14:44] <Imperator_> telepolis is also good from heise
[05:14:57] <alex_joni> yeah...
[05:15:04] <alex_joni> I found a c't from 1989 ;)
[05:15:48] <Imperator_> in the university we have all i think. The oldest one are beginning to smell :-)
[05:15:59] <alex_joni> nice ;)
[05:16:08] <alex_joni> I only have the last 3 years or so
[05:16:27] <Imperator_> same here
[05:16:35] <CIA-9> 03 07status * 10Babylon Cluster/loginfo: File changed. New revision:
[05:16:59] <alex_joni> what's CIA talking about?
[05:17:11] <Imperator_> do you read the german one
[05:17:26] <alex_joni> what? c't?
[05:17:31] <Imperator_> jep
[05:17:44] <alex_joni> is there a different language?
[05:18:10] <Imperator_> i have sean a dutch one
[05:18:17] <Imperator_> others i don't know
[05:18:22] <alex_joni> lol... no dutch locale installed here
[05:18:27] <alex_joni> yes
[05:18:33] <alex_joni> : german one
[05:18:36] <CIA-9> 03paul 07status * 10Babylon Cluster/RELEASE-NOTES: File changed. New revision:1.22
[05:19:03] <alex_joni> paul: your work? what is Babylon Cluster?
[05:19:24] <paul_c> Yup.
[05:19:37] <paul_c> Tell you about in it a mo... Door bell.
[05:20:11] <alex_joni> BDI-Lite
[05:20:17] <alex_joni> rc46.iso
[05:23:58] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders who Paul Jakma is...
[05:41:06] <paul_c> * paul_c is back...
[05:42:21] <alex_joni> so... Babylon Cluster
[05:42:22] <paul_c> Messing around with mail, exim, and CIA
[05:42:44] <alex_joni> besides some references from the bible, the rc46.iso no tmuch on google
[05:43:11] <alex_joni> mailing the CIA ?
[05:43:42] <paul_c> mailing to CIA
[05:44:04] <alex_joni> that's what I meant :)
[05:44:08] <paul_c> in part, a solution for the compile farm to report on success/failure
[05:44:20] <alex_joni> cool... this could be usefull for john
[05:44:24] <paul_c> yup
[05:44:27] <alex_joni> ohh... yes ;)
[05:44:40] <alex_joni> ok..
[05:44:48] <alex_joni> * alex_joni still wants to bug paul_c
[05:45:25] <alex_joni> still waiting on an answer ... (what do you think of merging autoconf to the main trunk on emc2)
[05:45:28] <alex_joni> ;)
[05:46:19] <paul_c> Does it work ?
[05:46:25] <alex_joni> I guess...
[05:46:33] <alex_joni> it works for me...
[05:46:39] <alex_joni> and for the compile_farm ;)
[05:46:50] <paul_c> is it clean and well documented ?
[05:47:14] <alex_joni> I could clean it out a bit...
[05:47:29] <alex_joni> let's pretend I did that
[05:48:10] <alex_joni> * alex_joni adds cleaning out configure.in to his todo list
[05:55:31] <alex_joni> Imperator_: still around?
[05:57:56] <paul_c> * paul_c goes for something to eat.
[06:02:16] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is reading something very interesting about port knocking
[06:09:30] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ is eating
[06:10:12] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ thinks Alex has the new Linux Magazin
[06:10:32] <alex_joni> still c't
[06:10:42] <Imperator_> page ?
[06:10:50] <alex_joni> an older c't
[06:11:11] <alex_joni> 14/04 page 206
[06:12:12] <alex_joni> Martin: interested in writing an article about emc?
[06:12:53] <Imperator_> hm
[06:13:17] <Imperator_> do you think Im in the position to do that ?
[06:13:32] <alex_joni> well... I meant together
[06:13:45] <alex_joni> we could get something written ;)
[06:13:49] <Imperator_> that sounds better
[06:14:15] <Imperator_> for ct ?
[06:14:26] <alex_joni> why not?
[06:14:40] <Imperator_> good idea
[06:15:11] <alex_joni> thought so too...
[06:15:24] <alex_joni> maybe get some others to contribute
[06:15:48] <alex_joni> seen some folks doing i18n translations to german...
[06:15:55] <Imperator_> i can write down what i find out while implementing tha gantry axis. If i had done this i think i know EMC
[06:16:12] <alex_joni> that would be something
[06:16:29] <Imperator_> with help from John and Paul it is possible
[06:16:33] <alex_joni> a practical guide to integrating using emc
[06:17:04] <Imperator_> both: how it work and how to use
[06:17:12] <alex_joni> yup
[06:17:47] <Imperator_> language ?
[06:17:56] <alex_joni> german I think...
[06:18:02] <alex_joni> for c't at least...
[06:18:25] <Imperator_> that's good then we can send it to Paul and John so they can correct it ;-)
[06:18:40] <alex_joni> my thoughts exactly
[06:18:47] <Imperator_> :-)
[06:19:17] <Imperator_> paul_c: hey Paul how good is your german
[06:21:45] <paul_c> http://www.google.com/translate ;}
[06:22:04] <Imperator_> I will teach you Paul: mill=Fr�smaschine; lathe=Drehmaschine thats enough
[06:22:31] <Imperator_> then you can correct us
[06:22:33] <paul_c> Thanks Imperator_
[06:22:39] <alex_joni> wir k�nnten aber zur �bung alles in Deutsch machen...
[06:22:40] <Imperator_> ;-)
[06:22:53] <paul_c> I can now travel across Germany ;)
[06:22:57] <Imperator_> gut, kein Problem
[06:23:08] <Imperator_> gerne Paul
[06:23:13] <alex_joni> excuse me miss, where's the next Fr�smaschine?
[06:23:22] <alex_joni> * alex_joni winks
[06:23:55] <Imperator_> Hm, ok
[06:25:08] <Imperator_> ok Paul forget the first lesson; milling machine= Fr�smaschine
[06:25:40] <Imperator_> have to learn more english
[06:27:36] <Imperator_> Ok Alex i think that's a good idea, we should do that
[06:28:23] <Imperator_> and if they don't want our text we can publish it on linuxcnc.org
[06:28:57] <alex_joni> yup... maybe we could get in touch with them first
[06:29:13] <alex_joni> to see if it's a good ideea, what they would like, etc
[06:30:47] <Imperator_> yes, but remember that we need some time. I think two or three month minimum
[06:30:59] <alex_joni> maybe more
[06:31:09] <alex_joni> but it depends on the scale too
[06:31:17] <Imperator_> yes
[06:31:27] <alex_joni> weather it's just an overview 2 pages
[06:31:43] <alex_joni> or something more complex
[06:32:22] <Imperator_> that depends on us and on them
[06:33:07] <alex_joni> yup
[06:33:52] <Imperator_> you are a engineer !! What have you studied exactly ?
[06:34:14] <alex_joni> CS
[06:34:17] <paul_c> Might be worth doing a piece on
[06:34:22] <alex_joni> computer science
[06:34:28] <paul_c> http://users.pandora.be/engineering/index_files/page0001.html
[06:34:48] <Imperator_> old link paul
[06:35:17] <alex_joni> yeah.. but still nice
[06:35:23] <Imperator_> yes
[06:37:13] <paul_c> I see it as an example of EMC out in the field
[06:38:01] <alex_joni> one of many...
[06:38:12] <alex_joni> but certainly one of the more noticeable
[06:38:42] <paul_c> big machines attract more attention than table top mills
[06:39:08] <alex_joni> yeah...
[06:39:17] <alex_joni> big machines are fun
[06:39:46] <alex_joni> you know that cloos (the company that produces the robots we sell)
[06:39:56] <Imperator_> maybe we have in two or three month one more
[06:40:17] <Imperator_> our gantry with about 1700x700x300mm
[06:40:54] <Imperator_> we have now nearly everything, only the ball screws for the long axis is still missing
[06:41:19] <alex_joni> has made a 72000x16000x4000 mm robot system?
[06:41:27] <Imperator_> "are" still missing, we need two because of the gantry
[06:41:36] <alex_joni> with an aditional X'=2500
[06:41:40] <Imperator_> �hh, ups
[06:41:52] <Imperator_> pictures ???
[06:42:03] <alex_joni> I could mail you one
[06:42:10] <alex_joni> didn't find none on the web
[06:42:13] <Imperator_> please
[06:42:32] <alex_joni> it was for IMG Rostock
[06:43:09] <Imperator_> ships
[06:43:17] <alex_joni> yeah
[06:43:22] <alex_joni> small ships ;)
[06:43:30] <Imperator_> :-)
[06:43:39] <alex_joni> actually ship parts (72m is pretty small for a ship)
[06:43:47] <Imperator_> our boat was only 64m long
[06:44:55] <Imperator_> http://www.marine.de/80256B100061BA9B/CurrentBaseLink/N25CHCY8769RRIRDE
[06:45:12] <Imperator_> S72 Puma
[06:45:56] <Imperator_> ok it was only 57,6m
[06:45:58] <Imperator_> long
[06:47:05] <Imperator_> maybe they have made it smaller at the webside, that the english people don't get afraid ;-)
[06:50:09] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is busy cleaning up configure.in
[06:50:37] <Imperator_> wohw the gearman navi realy want's to buy some corvetts now !!
[06:52:05] <alex_joni> dcc martin?
[06:52:34] <Imperator_> don't know the english names for that exactly
[06:52:53] <Imperator_> it is one size smaller than a frigate
[06:52:58] <alex_joni> I meant.. should I send you the file by DCC?
[06:53:14] <Imperator_> hm that don't work with chatzilla i think Alex
[06:53:36] <alex_joni> ok then e-mail it is... it'll take a while ;)
[06:53:43] <Imperator_> ok
[06:54:10] <Imperator_> I thought you are still talking about ships, Alex. But I'am the only one ;-)
[06:54:26] <Imperator_> I was one year at the navi
[06:55:05] <Imperator_> romenia don't have such a big navi I think
[06:55:11] <alex_joni> in the navy...
[06:55:21] <Imperator_> jep
[06:55:52] <alex_joni> not really big navy here ;)
[06:55:59] <Imperator_> :-)
[06:56:24] <Imperator_> some rowing boats ;-)
[06:56:47] <alex_joni> a little more than that ;)
[06:58:50] <Imperator_> oh i sea at the map that you have a long coast on the black sea.
[06:59:06] <CIA-9> 03paul 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/comps.xml:
[06:59:06] <CIA-9> File changed. New revision:1.6
[06:59:06] <CIA-9> Triggering a build for a new CD.
[06:59:09] <Imperator_> Have forgotten that, sorry
[07:00:37] <alex_joni> your CIA is beginning to provide intelligence ;)
[07:00:38] <jepler> Those of you who are not native english speakers: does the stylized icon of a house indicate "home" in the sense of "home an axis" to you, or is that something that only makes sense to americans?
[07:01:33] <alex_joni> well.. as far as computers are concearned I kinda think in english... so a house is pretty ok for homing
[07:01:44] <alex_joni> but that's my way of seeing things...
[07:07:54] <Imperator_> by the way where are you from jepler ??
[07:08:13] <jepler> Imperator_: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA
[07:08:22] <alex_joni> hmmm... judging by his question: US
[07:10:30] <Imperator_> the milling machines i know have that symbol for the zero point on the button for homing
[07:11:27] <cradek> what does the symbol look like?
[07:11:47] <alex_joni> 0
[07:11:50] <alex_joni> lol
[07:12:16] <Imperator_> the circle devided into four quadrants.
[07:12:39] <cradek> great
[07:12:45] <cradek> that's much better than a house
[07:12:53] <Imperator_> jep
[07:14:43] <alex_joni> how about a house with a circle divided into four quadrants as a window?
[07:15:52] <jepler> now you're just being silly
[07:16:09] <alex_joni> guess you're right... :)
[07:17:03] <Imperator_> :-)
[07:17:23] <jepler> alex_joni: Do you mean this symbol? http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2295/index.htm
[07:17:25] <cradek> how about a circle divided into four quadrants with tiny apartment buildings in each quadrant
[07:17:43] <Imperator_> Haidenhain just writs "home" on that button
[07:17:44] <Imperator_> http://filebase.heidenhain.de/doku/brochures/pdf/363_807-24.pdf
[07:17:52] <Imperator_> page 7
[07:19:01] <Imperator_> I mean something like that symbol, but the second and the fourth quadrand is black
[07:19:31] <cradek> Imperator_: I know exactly what you mean
[07:19:44] <CIA-9> 03paul 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/RELEASE-NOTES:
[07:19:44] <CIA-9> File changed. New revision:1.23
[07:19:44] <CIA-9> Triggering a build for a new CD.
[07:19:51] <Imperator_> ok
[07:19:53] <cradek> it's sometimes called "reference point" in CAD
[07:21:13] <Imperator_> i think on Siemens controllers they have this symbol, but the lines in that circle is a bit longer to the left and down
[07:21:38] <Imperator_> jep cradek
[07:27:18] <CIA-9> 03paul 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/RELEASE-NOTES:
[07:27:18] <CIA-9> File changed. New revision:1.24
[07:27:18] <CIA-9> Triggering a build for a new CD.
[07:32:37] <alex_joni> paul_c: should configure.in contain a GPL statement?
[07:33:25] <paul_c> More than likely.
[07:33:42] <alex_joni> should I write that?
[07:36:21] <Imperator_> nice little welding robot, on that last page :-)
[07:36:30] <alex_joni> that's the one
[07:36:37] <Imperator_> can i send you a CAD file, and it weld's that ??
[07:36:50] <Imperator_> * Imperator_ wants to have a yacht
[07:36:59] <alex_joni> lol
[07:42:39] <alex_joni> Imperator_: if you make the parts first... we'll talk about it
[07:43:00] <Imperator_> :-)
[07:43:30] <CIA-9> 03alex_joni 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/ (configure.in configure): configure.in now cleaned up (some unused stuff removed), and heavily commented
[07:45:22] <CIA-9> 03paul 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/RELEASE_NOTES:
[07:45:22] <CIA-9> File changed. New revision:
[07:45:22] <CIA-9> Triggering a build for a new CD.
[07:46:11] <alex_joni> paul_c: now it's cleaned up and commented :D
[07:47:45] <CIA-9> 03paul 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/RELEASE-NOTES:
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[07:47:45] <CIA-9> Triggering a build for a new CD.
[07:48:38] <alex_joni> I see tests on branching.. right?
[07:51:24] <alex_joni> ok.. that's it for me... more tomorrow...
[07:51:25] <alex_joni> night
[07:52:01] <les> before you go alex...
[07:52:08] <alex_joni> oh.. hi les
[07:52:13] <alex_joni> yes?
[07:52:32] <les> got a BIG order for emc made parts today
[07:52:41] <alex_joni> nice
[07:52:43] <les> this is getting serious
[07:53:06] <alex_joni> congrats
[07:53:15] <les> just closing note
[07:53:30] <les> to show that this emc stuff is very important work
[07:54:04] <les> I can tell you it is creating jobs
[07:54:33] <alex_joni> nice to hear that...
[07:55:07] <les> well...have a nice night (i'm hyperventilating now)
[07:55:11] <les> bye
[07:55:29] <alex_joni> that big order?
[07:56:57] <les> yes?
[07:57:42] <les> must hire people...otimise productivity...all that stuuf
[07:57:53] <les> very good but very stressful
[07:58:07] <alex_joni> I see...
[07:58:23] <alex_joni> good luck with it...
[07:58:27] <les> not having $$$orders = stress
[07:58:36] <les> having orders = stress
[07:58:38] <les> haha
[07:58:56] <alex_joni> * alex_joni knows how hard things get started before stable-production
[07:59:13] <les> very very true
[07:59:36] <alex_joni> but look at it this way... a year from now you'll laugh about these problems
[07:59:46] <alex_joni> you'll probably have bigger ones :-)
[07:59:55] <les> haha it's ongoing
[08:00:00] <alex_joni> like more production space, more machines, etc
[08:00:08] <les> for many years...never ends really
[08:00:23] <alex_joni> eventually we all retire ;)
[08:00:41] <les> not me ahem...
[08:00:44] <alex_joni> but till then... happy problems
[08:00:57] <les> well work till I drop
[08:00:59] <les> later
[08:01:17] <alex_joni> yeah... anyways: nice to hear about that...
[08:01:35] <jepler> erm, I bet that array.array thing won't work
[08:01:43] <jepler> oopers
[08:02:00] <alex_joni> jepler: wrong window?
[08:02:15] <jepler> alex_joni: just giving advice about python programming
[08:02:23] <jepler> but wrong advice
[08:02:57] <alex_joni> for me it's the wrong language ...
[08:08:11] <CIA-9> 03paul_c 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/ (configure.in src/emc/rs274ngc/rs274ngc_errors.cc): Correct a few spelling errors and use RTFLAGS to compile the math test with - Might as well simulate with a full set of flags now they are available \!
[08:42:09] <CIA-9> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/RELEASE_NOTES:
[08:42:09] <CIA-9> File changed. New revision:
[08:42:09] <CIA-9> paul RELEASE_NOTES
[09:31:57] <Imperator_> chiao
[10:53:25] <CIA-9> 03Zathras 07BDI build system * 10Babylon Cluster/directory.map: File changed. New revision:emc.ini
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[10:53:52] <pfred1_> wholly cluster phucks!
[10:53:59] <paul_c> Oooo... S**t....
[10:54:18] <paul_c> didna want that to happen Captain..
[10:55:07] <paul_c> Oh wel... It get's our cia stats up ;}
[10:56:27] <paul_c> And emc shows as No. 3 in today's most active projects
[10:56:37] <paul_c> and Zathras is No.1
[11:07:33] <pfred1_> yeah his rice is cool
[11:09:58] <paul_c> Now all I need to is figure out how to automate the deb packaging & CD builds.
[11:10:14] <jepler> what's zathras?
[11:10:22] <paul_c> Who...
[11:10:23] <pfred1_> jepler wild rive
[11:10:28] <pfred1_> wild rice even
[11:37:51] <pfred1_> lets see what the geeks are up in arms about today at http://lwn.net/Articles/
[14:00:36] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich is now known as jmk2
[14:00:46] <jmk2> jmk2 is now known as jmkasunich
[16:57:41] <Halogen8> evening
[17:38:17] <Halogen7> Halogen7 is now known as Halogen8
[18:11:34] <alex_joni> good morning
[21:19:47] <alex_joni> hello paul_c
[21:22:03] <paul_c> * paul_c hides
[22:33:41] <pastulio> Hallo
[22:33:43] <pastulio> !
[22:34:08] <pastulio> Can anybody help me with my controller for the EMC???
[22:35:22] <paul_c> Hello.
[22:35:52] <pastulio> hey
[22:36:38] <pastulio> can you help me?
[22:37:03] <paul_c> give me an outline of what you are trying to do
[22:39:51] <pastulio> I want to test my controller befor i connect it to my machine... I have made the PCB that i found on http://www.yty.net/cnc/ Penguin CNC
[22:40:25] <pastulio> but I can't get it to turn CW it only runs CCW
[22:41:12] <pastulio> Is it a bad controller ???
[22:41:52] <paul_c> * paul_c looks at Hennka's site...
[22:51:26] <paul_c> * paul_c doesn't see a link for the controller schematics
[22:51:53] <pastulio> 2 sec
[22:52:45] <pastulio> http://www.yty.net/cnc/Steppermotordriver.pdf
[22:55:25] <pastulio> you see it?
[22:56:22] <paul_c> got it
[22:57:53] <paul_c> OK... an L197/298 drive
[22:58:27] <pastulio> Yes and it works ... sort of
[22:58:29] <pastulio> :)
[23:00:44] <pastulio> What kind of controller do you use?
[23:00:50] <paul_c> Can you give me ten minutes to look at it...
[23:01:23] <pastulio> sure
[23:12:05] <alex_joni> * alex_joni lurks
[23:15:37] <paul_c> * paul_c needs coffee
[23:15:43] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has just read some logs
[23:15:48] <alex_joni> pastulio: need help?
[23:16:09] <pastulio> Yeap
[23:16:32] <pastulio> with my L197/198 driver
[23:19:30] <pastulio> http://www.yty.net/cnc/Steppermotordriver.pdf
[23:34:42] <alex_joni> hmmm... he left
[23:34:45] <alex_joni> hello ray
[23:38:16] <paul_c> * paul_c is back
[23:44:14] <alex_joni> hmmm... schematics are for L287/298
[23:44:26] <alex_joni> there are some Jumpers to be set there...
[23:48:26] <rayh> Hi Alex, Paul.
[23:50:53] <paul_c> * paul_c hits an intractable problem with dpkg
[23:53:09] <alex_joni> very difficult?
[23:54:15] <paul_c> it is a killer if I can't fix it...
[23:54:57] <alex_joni> "Everyone always coming to Zathras with problems. Great responsibilities. But Zathras does not mind. Zathras trained in crisis management."
[23:55:00] <rayh> What's happening with dpkg?
[23:55:28] <alex_joni> pastulio: back?
[23:55:43] <alex_joni> I took a look at that driver
[23:55:47] <alex_joni> L297/L298
[23:56:40] <pastulio> yes bad connection
[23:56:41] <pastulio> sorry
[23:56:58] <pastulio> did you look at the driver did I give you a link?
[23:57:09] <jepler> we saw the link
[23:57:17] <alex_joni> what seems to be the problem?
[23:59:17] <alex_joni> * alex_joni : "The One leads us. The One tells us to go, we go."