#emc | Logs for 2004-10-24

[01:45:54] <alex_joni> paul_c: still around?
[01:51:31] <paul_c> yup
[01:53:33] <alex_joni> I'm working at the page right now...
[01:53:41] <alex_joni> wanna see some pre-alpha?
[01:53:46] <alex_joni> tell me what you think?
[01:54:33] <paul_c> shoot
[01:54:58] <alex_joni>
[01:55:26] <alex_joni> right now it's pretty empty...
[01:55:37] <alex_joni> I've been working on the php for the menu
[01:55:45] <paul_c> You need to talk with Ray & Steve
[01:55:50] <alex_joni> so that it can easily be included from any page
[01:56:05] <alex_joni> well.. I'll do some more, and maybe after that
[01:56:11] <alex_joni> is it too bleak?
[01:57:47] <paul_c> Once it gets some background images (or colour), it will lok great
[01:58:04] <alex_joni> I'm adding some text to the right
[01:58:07] <alex_joni> main title & such
[01:58:17] <alex_joni> and maybe the images from linuxcnc.org
[01:58:29] <paul_c> but Steve controls the web site, so he gets the final say in what goes in
[01:58:46] <alex_joni> well... I'll send him the code when it's done...
[01:59:01] <alex_joni> so he can decide
[01:59:30] <alex_joni> what I do like about php is that right now the code you need to modify looks like this:
[01:59:43] <alex_joni> menu_item($nr,0,$level,".. Home ..","index.php");
[01:59:43] <alex_joni> spacer($hght);
[01:59:43] <alex_joni> menu_item($nr,1,$level,".. Overview ..","overview.php");
[02:10:34] <alex_joni> anyways... what have you been working?
[02:10:39] <alex_joni> hi les.
[02:19:01] <paul_c> Trying to figure out how to get a script to appear in ~/'kde/Autostart
[02:19:32] <paul_c> (/etc/skel doesn't work - KDE cleans out Autostart when creating a new usr)
[02:23:19] <alex_joni> :(
[02:23:21] <alex_joni> dunno
[02:41:53] <alex_joni> added some info to the page...
[02:43:54] <paul_c> * paul_c needs to add a line for the Indian distribution point
[02:51:25] <sme> hello all
[02:52:43] <paul_c> Hello Birmingham
[02:53:18] <paul_c> (I know Bromwich isn't really Brum)
[02:53:47] <sme> Paul, Does EMC run on Fedora with Kernel (rtai 3.0) ?
[02:54:39] <paul_c> Not a chance in H**l
[02:54:53] <paul_c> RTAI-3.0, yes
[02:55:01] <paul_c> Fedora, maybe
[02:55:10] <sme> But not 2.6?
[02:55:12] <paul_c> 2.6 kernel - No way.
[02:56:05] <paul_c> However, I will bee doing some work shortly with 2..66 support
[02:57:14] <sme> I have just compiled 2.6 rtai3 took an age ... on an old 200mgz pentium pro .... Arrrr
[02:58:17] <paul_c> Do the RTAI tests all work ?
[02:59:51] <sme> Just now making the rtai sources .... had problem with efltk .... libiconv.so etc etc
[03:00:38] <sme> kernel patched fine though!
[03:01:33] <sme> just got this .....
[03:01:34] <sme> hecking for GCC tarball... not found at /tmp/gcc-2.95.3.tar.bz2
[03:01:34] <sme> configure: error: Cannot read GCC tarball
[03:01:34] <sme> configure: error: /bin/sh '/usr/src/rtai/rtai-sim/configure' failed for rtai-sim
[03:01:34] <sme> make: *** [config.status] Error 1
[03:03:34] <paul_c> can you send the rtai config over ?
[03:04:38] <sme> configure.in ?
[03:06:42] <paul_c> .config
[03:07:25] <sme> just download gcc-2.95.3.tar.gz should have got gcc-2.95.3.tar.bz2 DUH
[03:07:44] <paul_c> Ooops.. The latest rtai doesn't use a .config
[03:07:55] <sme> .rtai_config
[03:08:26] <sme> Yep found it .... CONFIG_RTAI_MVM_GCC_TARBALL="/tmp/gcc-2.95.3.tar.bz2"
[03:08:27] <paul_c> What gcc version did you use to compile the kernel with ??
[03:08:48] <sme> gcc version 3.3.3 20040412 (Red Hat Linux 3.3.3-7)
[03:09:12] <sme> 2.6 wil not compile on V2
[03:09:20] <paul_c> you don't want to be using gcc-2.95 for the rtai modules then.
[03:10:07] <sme> Why is it requiring a tarball of GCC if it is already on the system
[03:11:04] <paul_c> No idea
[03:12:54] <sme> building it again .... strange thing is RTAI3 will not compile below gcc 3.X.X
[03:13:33] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is gone TIG-welding...
[03:13:54] <paul_c> that is indeed od - Last time I tried it with 2.6.7, both the kernel and rtai built fine with gcc-2.95
[03:15:56] <sme> Mmmm this is strange ....
[03:23:33] <sme> running make and receiving *** Warning .... undefined!
[03:24:37] <paul_c> undefined symbols during the depmod stage is usual.
[03:26:18] <sme> thats a relief ;-)
[03:28:32] <paul_c> How is your C and LKM foo ?
[03:32:55] <sme> ??
[03:33:48] <paul_c> You any good with C programming an loadable kernel modules
[03:35:13] <sme> Not realy I just dabble every now and then ....
[03:35:44] <sme> I come from a solaris / linux SA background ....
[03:36:13] <paul_c> so you don't fancy doing 2.6 support then...
[03:37:10] <sme> I was thinking of putting up a mini howto ... ;-)
[03:37:45] <paul_c> hey, that woulld be great
[03:38:08] <paul_c> Then I would have domething to refer to when I try it.
[03:38:27] <sme> sure thing .....
[03:39:14] <sme> Problem is this build was done over the past week but its still fairly clear in my mind.
[03:39:30] <sme> just about to call make install !
[03:44:21] <sme> lsmod = rtai_fifos 38220 2
[03:44:21] <sme> rtai_lxrt 74616 1 rtai_fifos
[03:44:21] <sme> rtai_hal 20212 2 rtai_fifos,rtai_lxrt
[03:47:45] <paul_c> Hi John
[03:47:57] <jmkasunich> hi
[03:48:07] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich fights with FTP
[03:48:22] <paul_c> Figure I know why the BDI-Live slots faail on the farm
[03:48:42] <jmkasunich> which tree(s)?
[03:49:42] <paul_c> emc2
[03:49:51] <jmkasunich> emc2 passes, rcslib and emc fail (due to def files) emc2auto fails but returns success
[03:50:24] <paul_c> ah...
[03:51:07] <jmkasunich> unfortunately the log file for emc2auto doesn't want to upload to linuxcnc
[03:51:58] <jmkasunich> I've tried to upload the log manually (several times) as well as automatically, and it just won't go... I'm stumped
[03:52:19] <jmkasunich> the logs from emc2head and lathefork went just fine
[03:53:29] <paul_c> feeding time at the zoo
[03:53:38] <paul_c> be back in an hour or so...
[03:57:06] <alex_joni> hi John
[03:57:49] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back
[04:00:22] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: how's the emc2auto going on the compile_farm?
[04:01:11] <jmkasunich> problems with FTP
[04:01:23] <jmkasunich> (on slot 4)
[04:01:45] <jmkasunich> slots 2 and 3 should be posting legitimate results to the website
[04:01:58] <alex_joni> strange... shouldn't really matter what slot...
[04:02:02] <jmkasunich> I'm not competent to interpret those logfiles - that is for you guys
[04:02:07] <alex_joni> say when you have some time...
[04:03:19] <jmkasunich> the failures on slots 2 and 3 are completely different
[04:03:58] <alex_joni> that's pretty ok...
[04:04:05] <jmkasunich> the report of "passed" for slot 4 is actually incorrect - there are hundreds of compile errors in the log file
[04:04:09] <alex_joni> ;)
[04:04:21] <alex_joni> well.. good thing you are here now...
[04:04:22] <jmkasunich> but I'm having trouble getting the logfile to FTP to the website
[04:04:34] <alex_joni> hmmm... maybe access rights?
[04:04:39] <alex_joni> or the file is somehow in use?
[04:04:44] <jmkasunich> dunno
[04:05:19] <alex_joni> I've seen that the file : http://www.linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2autoconf_slot4.txt doesn't exist...
[04:05:31] <jmkasunich> the script attempted to ftp 5 logs (one per tree) in one ftp command - the first 4 were fine, the last one didn't go
[04:05:40] <alex_joni> hmmm...
[04:05:44] <alex_joni> what ftp command?
[04:05:54] <jmkasunich> ftp -p linuxcnc.org
[04:06:02] <jmkasunich> cd compile_farm
[04:06:05] <jmkasunich> type image
[04:06:26] <jmkasunich> put emc2autoconf/build_log emc2autoconf_slot4.txt
[04:06:53] <jmkasunich> it hangs on the last command (usually), sometimes it hangs on the CD command, or it can't even open the connection
[04:07:15] <alex_joni> strange...
[04:07:16] <alex_joni> :(
[04:08:08] <alex_joni> I had a request for you... (for when the ftp put works again...)
[04:08:25] <alex_joni> could you include Makefile.inc if the build fails?
[04:08:32] <alex_joni> in the log?
[04:08:36] <jmkasunich> ok
[04:08:51] <jmkasunich> would probably be easier to include it all the time
[04:08:59] <alex_joni> ok for me
[04:09:13] <jmkasunich> I'll just add "cat makefile.inc" after the ./configure and before the "make clean"
[04:09:19] <alex_joni> if ./configure fails... then it has no use, but no one should care ;)
[04:09:24] <alex_joni> sounds right
[04:09:44] <jmkasunich> well if ./configure failes, I do "cat config.log"
[04:09:51] <alex_joni> seen that ;)
[04:10:08] <jmkasunich> (would you benefit from seeing config.log even if ./configure succeeds?
[04:10:15] <alex_joni> not really...
[04:10:26] <alex_joni> Makefile.inc has all the info needed
[04:10:45] <alex_joni> it doesn't if ./configure fails... but in that case config.log helps
[04:11:04] <alex_joni> although I've been discussing with paul to include some more messages
[04:11:16] <alex_joni> to describe what's failing, and why
[04:11:19] <jmkasunich> BTW, if you want to see exactly what I do for each build, look at linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/farm_scripts/emc2a_build
[04:11:39] <jmkasunich> (all the scripts used by the farm are in that directory, if you are curious)
[04:11:47] <alex_joni> nice ;)
[04:11:54] <alex_joni> can I ask you to check some things?
[04:12:40] <jmkasunich> sure
[04:13:58] <alex_joni> slot2:
[04:14:12] <alex_joni> build is failing because of tcl libs dependancies
[04:14:26] <alex_joni> however ./configure extracts those from tclConfig.sh
[04:14:57] <alex_joni> checking for tcl... /usr/lib/tclConfig.sh found
[04:15:14] <alex_joni> could you check /usr/lib/tclConfig.sh for libs?
[04:16:22] <jmkasunich> just a minute... (gotta take the dog out ;-)
[04:17:46] <alex_joni> no problem ;)
[04:22:02] <alex_joni> just say when back ...
[04:22:38] <jmkasunich2> that file is about 5K, what specifically am I looking for?
[04:23:41] <alex_joni> just a mo..
[04:24:04] <alex_joni> could you look at Makefile.inc first?
[04:24:19] <alex_joni> should contain 3-4 lines for tcl
[04:24:57] <alex_joni> TCL_LIBS=
[04:26:04] <jmkasunich> 4 lines
[04:26:23] <alex_joni> could you cat them here?
[04:26:28] <jmkasunich> TCLDBGX=
[04:26:46] <jmkasunich> oops
[04:26:52] <jmkasunich> TCL_DBGX=
[04:26:57] <jmkasunich> TK_DBGX=
[04:27:42] <jmkasunich> TCL_CFLAGS= -I/usr/X11R6/include
[04:29:32] <jmkasunich> TLC_LIBS=-L/usr/lib -ltcl8.0${TCL_DBGX} -L/usr/lib -ltk8.0${TK_DBGX}
[04:29:50] <jmkasunich> (have to copy them manually, sorry it's so slow)
[04:29:51] <alex_joni> hmmm... some minor problem here
[04:29:56] <alex_joni> no problem...
[04:30:10] <alex_joni> I gotta run home ... I'll be back online in half an hour.. ok?
[04:30:23] <jmkasunich> ok
[04:30:30] <alex_joni> till then, maybe yo can take a look at
[04:30:35] <alex_joni> and tell me what you think
[04:30:44] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich modifies the build script to cat Makefile.inc to the log
[04:55:37] <paul_c> * paul_c prods jmkasunich
[04:59:59] <jmkasunich> I'm here
[05:00:31] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich looks for batteries for his cattle prod
[05:00:35] <asdfqwega> paul_c: no success with M62
[05:00:45] <jmkasunich> hi ales
[05:00:48] <alex_joni> hi
[05:00:48] <jmkasunich> hi alex
[05:00:52] <alex_joni> ;)
[05:00:57] <jmkasunich> new results up for all three slots
[05:01:15] <alex_joni> cool...what was the problem?
[05:01:17] <jmkasunich> I also put /usr/lib/tclConfig.sh from slot 2 in the dir
[05:01:31] <alex_joni> thx
[05:01:35] <alex_joni> I'll take a peek
[05:01:44] <jmkasunich> don't know... but the new results have Makefile.inc listed
[05:02:15] <jmkasunich> look for linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/tmp*
[05:02:19] <asdfqwega> paul_c: when I try to use M62, I get a following error
[05:02:53] <paul_c> that's not good
[05:03:02] <asdfqwega> really?
[05:03:32] <alex_joni> slot4: failing on GTK includes :(
[05:04:18] <paul_c> * paul_c makes a note to look at M62/M63
[05:04:30] <alex_joni> tmp* ?
[05:04:31] <jmkasunich> I can look at things for you, etc, but you and Paul are far ahead of me with respect to how the configure works
[05:04:42] <asdfqwega> It might be my imagination, but when I try the M62, it sounds different with my steppers...like it's exceeding my PID settings...
[05:05:01] <alex_joni> no problem ;)
[05:05:11] <jmkasunich> yeah - linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/tmp_slot2_usr_lib_tckConfig.sh is the file from slot 2
[05:05:20] <alex_joni> where did you say you put tclConfig...
[05:05:26] <alex_joni> take that back ;)
[05:05:38] <jmkasunich> do ftp://linuxcnc.orc/compile_farm
[05:05:49] <paul_c> asdfqwega: What are you using for the P variable ?
[05:06:59] <asdfqwega> paul_c: 50
[05:07:00] <alex_joni> got it... checking now...
[05:07:47] <paul_c> asdfqwega: In the G code... not the ini file
[05:08:05] <paul_c> M62 P? xnnn
[05:08:42] <asdfqwega> oh...heh. I started with P5, then P3
[05:09:27] <paul_c> Ah... You need to use 8 to 11
[05:09:41] <paul_c> 0 to 7 are used by the stepper motors
[05:10:21] <asdfqwega> Okay...here's my setup: I have dual parports, and I set the motion_io_address to the second port
[05:10:37] <asdfqwega> I'm also using bridgeportio
[05:11:18] <asdfqwega> I have a 3rd parport I could use, the original on my motherboard
[05:12:45] <paul_c> OK... M62/M63 will use the MOTION_IO port
[05:13:04] <asdfqwega> or are you saying that I can only use M62 on the first parport?
[05:13:46] <paul_c> M62 can only use the port that the stepper motors are on.
[05:15:08] <asdfqwega> ...bummer
[05:16:07] <paul_c> remember - You have 12 bits of output
[05:16:25] <paul_c> and only the first eight are used
[05:16:33] <alex_joni> paul_c:did you take a look at tclConfig.sh ?
[05:16:48] <paul_c> not yet...
[05:16:51] <alex_joni> from slot2?
[05:18:22] <alex_joni> seems like there is no -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -ldl -lm
[05:18:25] <alex_joni> in it
[05:19:32] <alex_joni> jmk: could you please upload the tkConfig.sh file too?
[05:19:46] <paul_c> would need to boot the BDI-2 box to diagnose
[05:20:30] <alex_joni> no BDI-2 here :(
[05:24:37] <jmkasunich> alex_joni: file is uploaded
[05:24:53] <alex_joni> thx
[05:26:59] <alex_joni> yup.. that seems to be the thing
[05:28:09] <alex_joni> but cvs doesn't respond here :(
[05:28:15] <alex_joni> could be my connection...
[05:28:21] <alex_joni> cvs up... hanging around
[05:28:56] <alex_joni> jmk: did you take a look at that page?
[05:29:22] <jmkasunich> briefly - you proposing a different format for linxucnc.org?
[05:29:54] <jmkasunich> personally I'm not fond of white text on a black background
[05:30:06] <alex_joni> well.. it was just a proposal
[05:30:12] <alex_joni> I am open to any suggestions...
[05:30:27] <asdfqwega> Make something an old geocities page :P
[05:30:49] <jmkasunich> are you proposing a new hosting site? or just new format?
[05:31:12] <asdfqwega> oops...'like' an old geocities page
[05:31:56] <asdfqwega> repetive background tile, bad text formating, pictures of some stupid cat, etc...
[05:32:10] <alex_joni> right...
[05:32:12] <alex_joni> ;)
[05:32:55] <alex_joni> maybe something brighter?
[05:33:45] <asdfqwega> paul_c: It doesn't seem right that M62 should only work on parport0...the default motion_io_address in the emc.ini file points to 0x3BC (parport2)
[05:34:00] <jmkasunich> what's wrong with the existing format?
[05:34:33] <alex_joni> looks kinda old...
[05:34:54] <asdfqwega> need more nudity...
[05:34:56] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich doesn't mind old
[05:35:04] <alex_joni> It could benefit from some php, mysql
[05:35:18] <jmkasunich> or not - simple html is a good thing
[05:35:19] <alex_joni> so users (with privileges) can post stuff
[05:35:30] <alex_joni> well...
[05:35:40] <rayh> Oh yes it could! The issue is the MS-NT that it is currently housed under.
[05:35:57] <jmkasunich> well, limited amounts for specific purposes is OK
[05:36:11] <alex_joni> how bg is the page?
[05:36:21] <alex_joni> the whole thing?
[05:36:24] <jmkasunich> page? or site?
[05:36:47] <paul_c> asdfqwega: If the steppers are on 0x3BC, then this is the port that M62 uses
[05:37:01] <alex_joni> site
[05:37:47] <alex_joni> or account on the MS-NT
[05:38:04] <rayh> Steve Stallings is the host/webmaster. We could probably get that info from him tomorrow.
[05:38:34] <jmkasunich> there are serious limits as to what can be done on that server, because it is NT, and because Steve (while a generous host) is not a hosting or NT guru
[05:38:50] <CIA-6> 03alex_joni 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/ (configure configure.in): some tcl/tk libs fixes
[05:38:54] <jmkasunich> (for example, I'm using dan falk's account, because steve can't give me my own)
[05:38:55] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega wonders how hard it would be to make M62 operate on it's own port...
[05:39:09] <alex_joni> well.. thing is: I talked to a friend of mine
[05:39:14] <alex_joni> and he's a webhoster
[05:39:25] <alex_joni> said he could offer hosting
[05:39:33] <alex_joni> but kinda limited on space
[05:39:37] <paul_c> asdfqwega: You would need to hack the code to do it...
[05:39:40] <alex_joni> around 50 MB's or so...
[05:43:03] <alex_joni> jmk: any idea when the farm will recompile?
[05:43:16] <asdfqwega> paul_c: User_Hardware.lyx (and my old printed manual) lists all twelve outputs on the parport are used for stepper signals
[05:43:17] <jmkasunich> I can kick it off manually right now
[05:43:28] <alex_joni> pls do...
[05:43:50] <asdfqwega> paul_c: So that's not strictly true?
[05:44:03] <paul_c> asdfqwega: If you use four axis or less, the upper bits do not get used
[05:44:54] <paul_c> The code uses byte wide writes to the parallel port..
[05:45:13] <jmkasunich> alex_joni: slot 3 is done... slots 2 and 4 are working now
[05:45:19] <paul_c> so for 1 to 4 axis, only the lower eight bits get used
[05:45:41] <alex_joni> jmk: slot3 is pretty quick ;) because ./config fails
[05:45:47] <alex_joni> no version.h is found...
[05:46:02] <alex_joni> kernel source dir is not installed
[05:47:01] <jmkasunich> must be installed tho, cause emc2head works... configure isn't finding it though
[05:47:31] <alex_joni> ok... gotta check that
[05:47:34] <alex_joni> be back in 10
[05:47:39] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is away
[05:50:02] <asdfqwega> rather than hack emc1 to do this, I get the impression that it'd be better for me to wrap my head around emc2
[05:56:54] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back
[05:58:03] <alex_joni> jmk: seems tcl is behaving now... still some problems on slot2
[05:58:52] <alex_joni> rtlinux_ulapi.o and rtlinux_rtapi.o
[05:59:11] <alex_joni> those are not built... no rule to make target
[06:03:19] <alex_joni> paul_c: any ideas?
[06:04:18] <paul_c> Not wanting to appear rude....
[06:04:31] <paul_c> Can it wait till tomorrow ?
[06:04:44] <alex_joni> well... I'm in no hurry
[06:05:07] <alex_joni> it's pretty late here ... so I'm not really 100% myself
[06:05:16] <alex_joni> guess I'll go to bed...
[06:05:21] <jmkasunich> goodnight alex
[06:05:30] <jmkasunich> thanks for all your work on the autoconf stuff!
[06:05:31] <paul_c> Uploading a new iso, and once it has been tested, I can look at the auto-tools.
[06:05:33] <rayh> See you soon, alex.
[06:05:46] <alex_joni> I hope I'll be around tomorroe
[06:05:58] <alex_joni> s/rroe/rrow/
[06:06:15] <alex_joni> but I gotta drive to some customer, so I think only pretty late
[06:06:19] <paul_c> laptop & wifi on the move ?
[06:06:39] <alex_joni> laptop & CDMA on the move ;)
[06:12:29] <alex_joni> I think the transfer for emc2autoconf_slot4.txt failed somewhere in the middle
[06:14:14] <les> hello alex
[06:14:19] <alex_joni> anyways.. talk to you guys tomorrow
[06:14:20] <les> and paul
[06:14:20] <alex_joni> bye
[06:14:29] <alex_joni> just leaving les...
[06:14:36] <les> bye alex
[06:14:41] <paul_c> goodnight alex_joni
[06:14:54] <alex_joni> thx
[06:15:14] <les> I was just hooking up some DVD stuff on a rainy day
[06:15:28] <les> Movies have too much bass
[06:15:43] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich retries the slot 4 ftp transfer
[06:16:31] <les> jmk...I am making a move to take the local mom and pop isp here's customer base
[06:17:12] <les> so I have to try to teach people basically off the street to do FTP transfers to their web site
[06:17:22] <les> seems to be working
[06:17:27] <les> Cuteftp
[06:19:07] <les> got some sales...set up basic website on Ipowerweb....$1000 up front fee then $9 a month
[06:19:17] <jmkasunich> les: I'm doing command line ftp from within a script
[06:19:22] <les> I think that is working
[06:20:13] <les> well I am finding if I set up cuteftp to look like winders explorer people can do it
[06:20:56] <les> I am not going to be an ISP....just set up Ipowerweb accounts for customers
[06:21:48] <les> The failing mom &pop ISP is charging $100/mo for a basic website hosting (!)
[06:22:01] <les> ipowerweb is $9/mo
[06:22:30] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is back, cause I found why slot2 is failing
[06:22:35] <CIA-6> 03alex_joni 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/ (configure.in configure): changed RTPREFIX for rtlinux from rtlinux to rtl, in order for rtl_rtapi & co to be found
[06:22:46] <les> so...I charge a kilobuck to set up the account and transfer the webpage
[06:22:54] <les> they save money
[06:23:06] <les> everybody is happy?
[06:23:35] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich kicks off slot 2
[06:23:50] <jmkasunich> slot 4 is still having FTP problems... I wonder why it's only slot 4?
[06:27:18] <robin_sz> 'ello girls ...
[06:27:23] <alex_joni> hey robin
[06:27:43] <robin_sz> dude!
[06:28:11] <paul_c> alex_joni: Go to bed.
[06:30:21] <alex_joni> paul_c: not really sleepy ;)
[06:30:31] <alex_joni> and I'm not used to sleep so early ...
[06:30:39] <alex_joni> it's not even midnight here ...
[06:30:53] <alex_joni> how's it going robin?
[06:31:00] <robin_sz> "I have the strength of 10 men, for I am wired to the eyeballs on caffeine"
[06:31:07] <robin_sz> good, thanks
[06:31:29] <alex_joni> any new emc experiences?
[06:31:41] <robin_sz> just completing a re-design of the dust extraction system on this plasma ...
[06:32:15] <robin_sz> mmm. nope .. been too busy with making parts in solidworks ...
[06:32:44] <alex_joni> ;)
[06:32:49] <robin_sz> awesome design tool, especially the scripting api ...
[06:37:33] <robin_sz> eeeeuuuuw, Yahoo! groups are gettign worse ...
[06:37:49] <alex_joni> how?
[06:38:11] <robin_sz> it used to be that you got the tedious advert every 2 or 3 times you viewed the next message .. now its *every* time ..
[06:38:42] <alex_joni> jmk: slot4 has actually PASSED.. even with those errors, because all the GTK stuff (which is failing) is optional
[06:39:20] <alex_joni> BDI-2.18 compiled with autoconf ;)
[06:39:23] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is happy
[06:39:41] <robin_sz> so, what did mmm, forgets name, guy doing the fsmlabs stuff, how did all that pan out in the end
[06:40:19] <alex_joni> hmmm, guy, name not important, decided to leave
[06:40:29] <robin_sz> oh. what reason?
[06:40:55] <robin_sz> unable to agree on a release method?
[06:41:48] <asdfqwega> robin_sz: heya, hiya, howya doin'
[06:42:14] <robin_sz> asdfqwega: not too bad ... still got both eyes ;)
[06:42:26] <alex_joni> he's got issues...
[06:43:05] <robin_sz> uh huh ... fsm not happy with releasing stuff, or other issues?
[06:43:20] <alex_joni> personal issues
[06:43:24] <robin_sz> oh right
[06:43:57] <robin_sz> so at some poitn in the future it might happen, but not now?
[06:44:12] <alex_joni> robin: not on the mailing list?
[06:44:17] <asdfqwega> * asdfqwega is off to make using M62/M63 work with his laser...
[06:44:36] <robin_sz> mmm, sort of ... dev list yes
[06:44:58] <alex_joni> well... he sent a long e-mail
[06:45:12] <robin_sz> is it in an archive somewhere?
[06:45:20] <alex_joni> should be
[06:45:25] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is checking
[06:46:30] <robin_sz> dev list?
[06:46:59] <alex_joni> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=5797335&forum_id=6435
[06:48:05] <paul_c> robin_sz: Make sure you have a handbag ready...
[06:48:41] <paul_c> and a spell checker might be usefull ;-/
[06:53:57] <jmkasunich> dammit - slot 4 FTP is hung up again
[06:54:27] <jmkasunich> paul_c: what's the debian/morphix/Live equivalent of "rpm -qa | grep ftp"
[06:55:09] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich wonders if the ftp client is at fault
[06:55:31] <robin_sz> sigh ... thats a shame. I suspect he would have been a useful contributor
[06:57:01] <alex_joni> don't know about that...
[06:57:59] <jmkasunich> smart enough... but personailty issues might have made it difficult
[06:58:12] <picnet> behold a miracle!
[06:58:17] <robin_sz> shrug ... he was/is presumably a competent coder with RT skills and knowledge of emc's innards .. that puts him in a group of about n people in the world ... (where n is small)
[06:58:31] <jmkasunich> true enough
[06:58:38] <robin_sz> oh arse, it seems my network connection is fsked ...
[06:58:41] <jmkasunich> I'm upset that it ended the wayt it did
[06:58:50] <picnet> fistycuffs?
[06:58:53] <alex_joni> question is: how good is he when it's about a group-effort?
[06:59:00] <paul_c> jmkasunich: dpkg -l | grep foo
[06:59:20] <robin_sz> I just got a thing saying picnet had joined the channel, obviouslyan error .. I'll reboot my router ...
[06:59:48] <picnet> definately faulty that router.
[06:59:55] <robin_sz> * robin_sz nods
[07:00:10] <robin_sz> jmkasunich: did we even get a tarball?
[07:00:31] <jmkasunich> yes, we have tarballs
[07:00:42] <robin_sz> oh. thats something then ...
[07:01:17] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/dropbox/ ??
[07:01:27] <jmkasunich> hmm... slot 2 is running ftp 0.16-3, slot 3 runs 0.17-12, and slot4 runs 0.17-11
[07:01:37] <jmkasunich> slots 2 and 3 work fine, slot 4 has probs
[07:02:01] <robin_sz> picnet: so dood, what gives?
[07:02:19] <picnet> amount of time spend in the lab > 0 hours.
[07:02:47] <picnet> I look at ths stuff then think, "i need time to do this, i dont have it, close the door and walk out.."
[07:03:00] <robin_sz> oops
[07:03:13] <robin_sz> ah well .. winter is approaching .. long dark evenings
[07:03:22] <picnet> been fiddling with cameras and spectrophotometers, winters lab time.
[07:03:35] <robin_sz> stcked up on the traditional winter supplies?
[07:03:57] <picnet> nope, im trying to avoid the pea soup.
[07:04:17] <robin_sz> cheap vodka, condoms and overdose sized pack of parecetemol?
[07:04:29] <picnet> Buranna.
[07:04:44] <jmkasunich> alex_joni: the ebo tarballs are at ftp://linuxcnc.org/dropbox/ebo*
[07:04:46] <alex_joni> jmk: got time to check something?
[07:04:49] <picnet> aö�ll via a boat trip talin.
[07:04:49] <robin_sz> actually, the pea soup was sortof ok
[07:04:55] <jmkasunich> alex_joni: sure
[07:05:09] <alex_joni> on slot3
[07:05:12] <robin_sz> it was that brown decomposing potato casserole thng that I cant stand
[07:05:31] <alex_joni> do a /usr/src/rtai-24.1.10/scripts/realtime-config --dump
[07:05:48] <alex_joni> it should contain a line which says linuxdir="smthg"
[07:06:05] <robin_sz> picnet: ryan air are doing londo -> tampere for about 10 quid :)
[07:06:21] <picnet> in the cargo hold?
[07:06:38] <picnet> Animal cage special offer :)
[07:06:48] <robin_sz> I said ryan air ...
[07:07:00] <robin_sz> its all the same thing on ryan air
[07:07:04] <jmkasunich> alex_joni: ok
[07:07:04] <picnet> ah the wee leprakauns serve the drinks.
[07:07:13] <robin_sz> nearly ...
[07:07:25] <robin_sz> they have drunks serving leprechaun wee ..
[07:08:07] <jmkasunich> alex_joni: the script says "Kernel source tree not configured!"
[07:12:15] <alex_joni> did you run a make install in the rtai dir?
[07:12:35] <alex_joni> or you just installed the BDI, with all rpm's?
[07:13:03] <rayh> I heard that ryan air had hooks on the wings for overbooked flights.
[07:13:08] <jmkasunich> just installed the BDI, like any user would
[07:13:29] <alex_joni> ok... gotta check a BDI-TNG
[07:13:35] <jmkasunich> I just put that script up on linuxcnc.org, if you want to look at it. name starts with tmp_
[07:13:43] <alex_joni> will do
[07:13:58] <paul_c> * paul_c needs to look at the TNG RPMs o sort that one out...
[07:13:59] <alex_joni> btw.. you can remove those other two tclConfig & tkConfig
[07:14:06] <jmkasunich> ok
[07:14:20] <alex_joni> paul_c: I'll take a look... don't get disturbed ;)
[07:18:47] <alex_joni> hmmm... seems I'm stuck extracting the files from the rpm..
[07:19:44] <rayh> alex_joni: I've not looked into them but they seem very small for what they are supposed to include.
[07:29:06] <alex_joni> hi Steve
[07:29:40] <SteveStallings> Hi Alex, et. all
[07:30:16] <paul_c> SteveStallings:
[07:33:46] <SteveStallings> OK, crisp and clean, but white on black is hard to read. Tell me more about the project...
[07:34:07] <paul_c> * paul_c points to alex_joni
[07:34:35] <alex_joni> well... Don't know what others think... but I think the page needs some redesign
[07:35:16] <alex_joni> what you saw there is just some half an hour work... it was intended as something to talk about...
[07:35:30] <alex_joni> maybe people would like to point out thoughts, ideas, etc.
[07:35:42] <SteveStallings> and greater attention to content, especially as a point of first contact for newbies...
[07:36:01] <alex_joni> yup.. navigation is pretty cluttered right now
[07:36:08] <alex_joni> pretty much on the first page...
[07:36:18] <alex_joni> maybe redefine the structure...
[07:36:46] <alex_joni> About, Goals, Set-up, Coding, Contact
[07:37:54] <alex_joni> 2nd point: I heared right now there are some limitations regarding site-management & such...
[07:38:21] <SteveStallings> Well, the page is hosted by me, but not owned by me. I'll go along with whatever the group wants. Personally I don't like frames more complicated than one navigation bar, no Flash etc., warm easy to read colors.
[07:39:18] <alex_joni> I don't like frames at all ;) (in the html way...)
[07:40:00] <alex_joni> flash is pretty ok, but not for important stuff (navigation, information, etc...)
[07:40:17] <alex_joni> it's ok for small enhancements... animations, etc
[07:40:23] <SteveStallings> Site management problem relates to issuing new access rights. I cannot creat new accounts at the moment. Not a policy thing, technical glitch that will get corrected. For now you could share an existing login account.
[07:40:36] <alex_joni> but life exists whithout...
[07:40:58] <alex_joni> I did ask a friend of mine, who does webhosting
[07:41:09] <alex_joni> and he is willing to sponsor a web-hosting...
[07:41:19] <alex_joni> but something around 50MB's
[07:42:02] <alex_joni> if that's something worth to be taken into consideration... we can discuss it...
[07:42:38] <SteveStallings> The question in the past was the willingness to set up a bunch of access accounts with varying access points. We currently have almost a dozen valid users with different rights to different directories. Most web hosts are not willing to manage this.
[07:47:06] <alex_joni> gotta check if that's possible...
[07:50:24] <alex_joni> it is possible, however it's not managed by the web host
[07:50:52] <alex_joni> it's managed by the user (there is a master user who can do such things)
[07:54:36] <SteveStallings> Currently I do things because I own the server. Ray Henry owns the domain and would probably put any changes before the board.
[07:55:18] <alex_joni> I'll ask for a test-account
[07:55:47] <alex_joni> and send you & henry & whoever would like user&pass to play around, and see if it would fit...
[07:58:11] <alex_joni> jmk: still around?
[07:58:56] <jmkasunich> yeah, for a few more minutes
[07:59:01] <jmkasunich> just catching up
[07:59:37] <jmkasunich> being able to add accounts would be good... a *nix based server would be good too, some of the compile farm stuff could really be enhanced with a little cgi or something
[07:59:55] <alex_joni> it's a linux-based server...
[08:00:45] <jmkasunich> would like to talk more about this, but gotta go
[08:00:54] <alex_joni> bye...
[08:00:55] <jmkasunich> I'll leave the box on to log
[08:21:12] <paul_c> * paul_c heads off to bed.
[08:21:30] <paul_c> See you all in the morning.
[08:21:57] <asdfqwega> I'm a helper, I am...I found a broken feature in emc
[08:22:35] <asdfqwega> I'll send it in to the users' list
[10:54:14] <dmwaters> {global notice} Hi all! We appologize for that uh interuption. a script was ran that accidently restarted several of the ircds. Blame alindeman :) Thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!
[14:02:45] <monkeeyface> hello
[14:02:52] <monkeeyface> anyone around?
[17:25:17] <alex_joni> gmorning
[17:37:12] <alex_joni> hi picnet...
[18:45:38] <alex_joni> hello
[19:30:46] <Sendkeys> hay if anyone shows up. I checked the faq-pdf. im sure i missed it but befor i got back read it all kind of need to know if i even can use this controller :)
[19:31:39] <Sendkeys> how many khz can emc output on the p-port (not using servo-go card) also can this program run closed looped with the p-port? Thanks for the help
[19:31:53] <Sendkeys> max khz that is :)
[20:21:44] <alex_joni> hello...
[20:26:38] <paul_c> Morning Alex
[20:27:04] <alex_joni> how are things?
[20:28:09] <paul_c> helping someone out with a cvs prob on another channel... Trying to figure out an issue with backgrounds and KDE
[20:28:29] <alex_joni> I see...
[20:28:42] <alex_joni> I changed the colors on
[20:30:50] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is proud of running TkEMC on windows connected wireless to emc (and emc2 as a matter of fact)
[20:31:46] <paul_c> You have compiled the latest rcslib for Doze ?
[20:31:52] <CIA-6> 03zwisk 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/ (11 files in 4 dirs): (log message trimmed)
[20:31:52] <CIA-6> Added several new make targets:
[20:31:52] <CIA-6> make install
[20:31:52] <CIA-6> make test
[20:31:52] <CIA-6> make run
[20:31:52] <CIA-6> Broke run-in-place. Some peer review is needed here. It seems
[20:31:54] <CIA-6> very valuable to be able to run in-place, but it's very difficult
[20:32:51] <alex_joni> no... just used an old one...
[20:33:35] <alex_joni> actually only a compiled emcsh
[20:34:49] <alex_joni> it's a .zip file from 2002 or so (containing some .tcl's and emcsh.exe)
[20:34:57] <alex_joni> but if works great, even with emc2
[20:36:03] <alex_joni> I only had to change the size of emcStatus from 8192 to 10240 (in emc.nml, on the windows side)
[20:36:20] <paul_c> * paul_c had a few problems with the M$ stuff last time it was tried..
[20:36:31] <alex_joni> and add the EMCSERVER part to emc.ini on the emc2 side
[20:36:59] <paul_c> comment on the web php - Fonts are a bit small again...
[20:37:34] <alex_joni> right... used a different css
[20:37:39] <alex_joni> lemme fix that
[20:37:49] <paul_c> and light blue on a yellow background doesn't work too well...
[20:45:43] <alex_joni> changed...
[20:46:14] <alex_joni> I really like css, all defines in one place, when you change that, the whol esite changes
[20:46:46] <paul_c> Looks much better..
[20:47:16] <alex_joni> and it's pretty easy to change, and to maintain a consistent look over the whole thing...
[21:00:24] <alex_joni> * alex_joni was really impressed that emc2 still works with a TkEMC and emcsh from 2002 on M$
[21:01:41] <paul_c> * paul_c too
[21:02:38] <paul_c> fsckit - Just one weeny file has the wrong permissions in that ISO I uploaded last night....
[21:02:49] <alex_joni> ;)
[21:02:56] <alex_joni> can happen :D
[21:03:02] <alex_joni> what ISO are you working on?
[21:04:47] <paul_c> it will be the next Live release
[21:05:00] <alex_joni> need testing?
[21:06:18] <paul_c> Nearly done... Just this one file to nail.
[21:09:09] <alex_joni> short question: changes in the HEAD branch appear in other branches?
[21:10:31] <paul_c> no
[21:10:56] <alex_joni> ok
[21:11:26] <paul_c> think of a branch as an entirely seperate repository
[21:11:54] <alex_joni> so when a branch get's reintegrated, changes get merged?
[21:11:58] <paul_c> create/delete files in main or turnk
[21:12:11] <paul_c> it does not affect anything else
[21:12:49] <paul_c> if/when a branch is merged, yes
[21:13:15] <alex_joni> I see...
[21:13:20] <paul_c> but it can also generate conflicts that need to be resolved by hand
[21:13:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni really needs to read that book... but simply doesn't find the time
[21:15:13] <paul_c> I printed it out and flick through it from time to time
[21:15:58] <paul_c> worth downloading as a reference if nothing else.
[21:17:06] <alex_joni> yup, sure is...
[21:19:12] <alex_joni> hey Martin...
[21:20:58] <Imperator_> Hi Alex
[21:21:33] <Imperator_> do you have also summer wether in romenia
[21:22:41] <alex_joni> yup
[21:22:44] <alex_joni> pretty nice today
[21:22:59] <alex_joni> sunny & 17+ celsius
[21:23:02] <Imperator_> 24�C here
[21:23:54] <alex_joni> I just checked: 20 here
[21:24:13] <Imperator_> like summer
[21:24:28] <paul_c> * paul_c wondered how long it would be before someone asked about a M$ port for EMC
[21:24:49] <Imperator_> what is M$ ??? ;-)
[21:24:57] <Imperator_> Hi Paul
[21:25:10] <alex_joni> who asked?
[21:25:28] <Imperator_> how is the weather in good old raini England ??
[21:25:31] <paul_c> Bert Eding
[21:25:44] <paul_c> Imperator_: The Sun is out...
[21:26:51] <Imperator_> are there some paiable real time enviroments for Windows ?
[21:26:52] <alex_joni> really? what did you tell him?
[21:27:24] <paul_c> * paul_c just sniggered and left replying to someone else
[21:28:58] <alex_joni> * alex_joni grins
[21:29:44] <alex_joni> Imperator_: I've been doing some php work for the www.linuxcnc.org
[21:30:04] <paul_c> under XP, it might be possible to get EMC to run...
[21:30:07] <Imperator_> ah what have you done ?
[21:31:07] <Imperator_> or better what have you writen ?
[21:34:37] <alex_joni>
[21:34:44] <alex_joni> paul_c:are you serious?
[21:35:11] <Imperator_> with that realtime stuff used normaly for sound and video, paul ??
[21:43:16] <alex_joni> seems rcslib needs some tweaking in order to compile on win$
[21:44:14] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is gone eating... later
[22:33:20] <alex_joni> * alex_joni back... and stuffed ;)
[22:52:00] <alex_joni> seems that I got rcslib to compile under WinXP with M$ Visual Studio 6
[22:52:44] <alex_joni> I got a rcs.lib
[22:53:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is thinking what to do with it ? :))
[22:54:24] <paul_c> * paul_c could suggest a few things...
[22:55:15] <alex_joni> is that safe to post on the list ?
[22:55:16] <alex_joni> :D
[22:55:18] <paul_c> Question: Will it run under W95/98 ?
[22:55:25] <alex_joni> dunno...
[22:55:35] <alex_joni> you need a W95/98 one?
[22:55:43] <paul_c> and did you compie emcserver ?
[22:55:52] <alex_joni> nope... where is that? :D
[22:56:00] <paul_c> or emcsh ?
[22:56:08] <alex_joni> just rcs till now
[22:56:13] <paul_c> OK...
[22:56:15] <alex_joni> had to fight with rcs a bit
[22:56:27] <alex_joni> had to get 2 files from the Attic from cvs
[22:56:50] <paul_c> There is some stuff in the EMC(1) tree that needs to be compiled before you can do much with rcslib
[22:57:08] <paul_c> What files were in Attic ?
[23:00:21] <alex_joni> just: /rcslib/cms/readn.c and writen.c
[23:00:39] <alex_joni> didn't try to remove them from the project
[23:01:20] <Imperator_> Imperator_ is now known as Imerator_away
[23:01:25] <alex_joni> I also had to add an #include <winnt.h> in mapmem.h /the old windows.h wasn't enough
[23:02:27] <alex_joni> and also included mapmem.h from os_intf/_timer.c
[23:02:38] <alex_joni> don't know if this brakes anything.. guess not
[23:04:32] <paul_c> Hmm... the func. readn() isn't used anywhere...
[23:04:50] <paul_c> * paul_c has to go and eat now..
[23:05:02] <paul_c> bac in an hour
[23:05:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is packing... preparing to leave in about half an hour
[23:12:53] <alex_joni> I'm back online this evening... bye
[23:39:28] <jmkasunich> pretty quiet this morning
[23:49:18] <paul_c> * paul_c is finishing some work off over an ssh connection..
[23:50:14] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich catches up on email
[23:59:50] <les> yup real quiet