#emc | Logs for 2004-10-21

[00:08:55] <trp> paul_c, I was just looking for any word on the smithy cd.
[00:35:42] <paul_c> Hi Tony
[00:36:30] <paul_c> * paul_c was outside for a breath of fresh air...
[00:39:03] <paul_c> Tried doing some work on the rc12 image you had kindly transfered
[00:39:22] <paul_c> but found the file was corrupt
[00:43:39] <trp> What do you need from me
[00:44:27] <trp> trying to work and read at the same time, fell out of my chair
[00:47:26] <paul_c> uploaded a fresh image to the Smithy box
[00:47:59] <paul_c> Just needs testing and results reported back.
[00:49:34] <trp> does this give you reports?
[00:51:19] <trp> what kind of testing do you want me to do on the box. I am an amature that doesn't know what he is doing
[00:51:55] <paul_c> Need you guys to burn a CD and let me know if it is OK, or if anything needs changing
[00:52:34] <trp> great, I will do this right away and get back to you.
[00:52:54] <paul_c> the image is in /home/smithy
[00:59:05] <trp> Is this the same rc12 that you need burned
[00:59:19] <paul_c> yes
[00:59:39] <trp> being done right now. will let you know
[01:01:54] <paul_c> As a side note...
[01:02:43] <paul_c> Have finished cleaning up the sources and now have something that (should) compile cleanly every time.
[01:03:49] <paul_c> Got a few changes I would like to make that should improve the reliablity
[01:04:01] <trp> thats no fun, without all kinds of problems we will be out of a job
[01:04:32] <paul_c> better to have happy customers
[01:04:51] <trp> yeah they write the paychecks
[01:05:45] <paul_c> With a cut down code base, what changes do you guys need/want ?
[01:07:08] <trp> At the moment we just need something that we can ship. We are about to lose two customers if we don't get them something soon.
[01:08:34] <trp> Did you put a cd writing program on the cd?
[01:08:48] <paul_c> Do an install from the latest CD, and if needs be, I can ssh into them to make any last minute tweaks
[01:09:12] <trp> will do
[01:09:25] <paul_c> Did you want cdrecord on the disk ?
[01:09:53] <paul_c> and/or a GUI front end
[01:14:27] <alex_joni> well... gotta go
[01:14:56] <trp> not sure yet will look at what you got
[01:15:00] <paul_c> Catch you later alex_joni
[01:15:03] <alex_joni> bye paul
[01:15:11] <alex_joni> bye tony ;)
[01:15:20] <trp> seeya
[02:12:24] <CIA-9> 03paul_c * 10rcslib/etc/generic.def: Short term fix to allow the compile farm to build
[04:54:54] <trp> paul_c, there are a couple of things. The sound comes up a warning because the boxes dont have any.
[04:55:34] <trp> The help screens need to be disables for the desktop. These come up first thing when it starts to boot up
[04:55:54] <trp> EMC start up didn't work.
[04:56:42] <trp> After looking around the generic ran so I changed the the ini to use tkemc instead of smini and that worked.
[04:57:19] <trp> Can emc start up in full screen mode with the terminal running in the background unseen?
[04:58:23] <trp> On the install menu can it be set to automatically partition the hard drive. we wont be running any other systems on these boxes so partitioning will only have to be a default
[04:59:09] <trp> the boot screen doesn't work after loading onto the computer. it goes back to verbose mode
[05:00:16] <trp> The Webber Icon disapeared upon loading it to the hard drive and there is no icon for emc in case someone closes it out and needs to reopen it
[05:00:36] <trp> I think that is all I can see right now.'
[05:04:06] <trp> running out for lunch. be back in about 1/2 hour
[05:17:05] <Imperator_> Hi Paul, I hope that you are not wasting a second on thinking about EBOs speaking !!! Those people disappear as fast as they had appeared. Hot air, nothing more. In this project we don't need quick changes, all the steps hat to be done carfuly. And specialy we don't need hotheads
[05:17:27] <Imperator_> :-)
[05:19:24] <paul_c> Hi Imperator_
[05:19:33] <Imperator_> Hi Paul
[05:19:49] <paul_c> Thanks for the supportive words.
[05:20:26] <Imperator_> I have seen this since his first mails in the list, but i thing you too
[05:23:28] <Imperator_> Thanks for your great work on EMC and for fixing my code and problems all the time :-)
[05:24:18] <paul_c> I try to help where I can.
[05:26:02] <Imperator_> jep, i think everybody knows that, the only one how not is ....
[05:26:13] <Imperator_> Hmmm, i have forgotten his name ;-)
[05:36:26] <paul_c> don't want to appear to be ignoring you Imperator_
[05:36:41] <paul_c> Got a couple of problems to fix for someone...
[05:45:27] <Imperator_> no problem paul
[06:55:06] <paul_c> Hmmm... looks like trp is having a very long lunch break.
[07:01:24] <trp> sorry the phones have been ringing off the hook
[07:02:28] <trp> I cant read type and talk on the phone at the same time. I'll hurt myself.
[07:02:33] <asdfqwega> 'Allo, paul
[07:02:45] <asdfqwega> 'Allo, trp, since you're here too
[07:03:11] <trp> hello wont be here long. almost quiting time
[07:03:31] <trp> take a long lunch and go home early. this is the life
[07:03:40] <asdfqwega> ?
[07:03:57] <asdfqwega> Not me...no rest for the wicked
[07:04:16] <asdfqwega> but sometimes I do pass out on my keyboard
[07:10:02] <paul_c> (belated) Hello asdfqwega
[08:06:56] <paul_c> Hi Les.
[08:23:53] <les> hey paul
[08:28:13] <paul_c> getting over run by wild turkeys yet ?
[08:29:46] <les> ha no but I am an entry level production worker in the spray booth
[08:29:52] <les> need help now
[08:30:47] <paul_c> as in employees or with EMC ?
[08:30:58] <les> employees
[08:31:23] <les> but... I also have the factory automation job to do for my sensor
[08:31:46] <les> still thinking of RTLinux for that and a work permit for you
[08:31:53] <paul_c> * paul_c would jump at the chance to work in Georgia
[08:32:25] <paul_c> but I think US.gov might object
[08:32:27] <les> haw ...pity as I think I will make the product in Chicago
[08:32:58] <les> no labour force here...
[08:33:39] <paul_c> thought there were loads of unemployed in GA
[08:33:52] <les> yes in atlalanta
[08:33:57] <les> oops
[08:34:04] <les> atlanta
[08:34:44] <les> It is really not supposed to be my call where the thing is made but...
[08:35:09] <les> If I don't wan't to go there it won't be made there
[08:35:18] <les> won't
[08:37:08] <paul_c> I can think of nicer places than Chicago
[08:37:26] <les> um yeah...
[08:38:44] <les> We have not decided where it really will be...but the parent company is in Chicago...
[08:38:54] <les> all over the world too
[08:39:16] <paul_c> So it would probably make sense to use an existing plant
[08:39:52] <les> Like my heater stuff made on your side of the pond
[08:40:10] <les> well an existing space...but all new facilities
[08:40:25] <les> and I want it to be RTLinux
[08:40:42] <paul_c> not RTAI ?
[08:41:27] <les> that would be fine... I was saying RTLinux in the generic sense
[08:41:50] <paul_c> RealTime Linux
[08:41:54] <les> What ever works and is ROCK SOLID
[08:42:32] <paul_c> OK... That rules out some of the 2.6 kernels
[08:42:52] <les> You would know...
[08:44:00] <paul_c> 2.4 series with the rtai patches is pretty reliable
[08:44:25] <paul_c> Not tried RTLinux-3.x with 2.4
[08:46:05] <les> Well if I convinced them to set up a Linux factory automation system and it turned out buggy...
[08:46:23] <les> I would have my head on a plate
[08:46:53] <les> and...you could make sure things were reliable right?
[08:47:40] <paul_c> define "reliable"
[08:47:50] <Imperator_> chiao
[08:48:04] <paul_c> I can do "idiot resistant"
[08:48:44] <paul_c> and "fault tolerant"
[08:48:45] <les> um...reliable means 24/7 with mmmm one crash a month max
[08:49:33] <les> but I keep emc up and running for ages here...no problem at all
[08:49:50] <les> course I am comparing to windows
[08:49:56] <paul_c> Rebooted a box the other day that had an up time of 152 days
[08:50:14] <les> that works
[08:50:45] <les> well gotta go and get some food...my dad just drove up from Fl
[08:51:18] <paul_c> whilst it wasn't running EMC, it was using the same kernel
[08:51:56] <les> I think it can work
[08:52:02] <les> well back later
[08:52:09] <paul_c> * paul_c thinks EMC would need some small changes to be assured of long up times
[08:52:20] <paul_c> Regards to your Father
[08:54:15] <les> he says thanks ...later
[08:54:37] <paul_c> * paul_c heads off to bed.
[21:03:56] <alex_joni> hello...
[21:06:46] <paul_c> Hi Alex
[21:09:23] <alex_joni> what's up?
[21:10:22] <paul_c> not a lot..
[21:10:40] <paul_c> waiting for the 'mercuns to wake up.
[21:11:24] <alex_joni> 'mercuns?
[21:12:05] <paul_c> the yanks
[21:12:14] <alex_joni> I'm already sleepy... ;)
[21:12:27] <alex_joni> I just got to eat something for today...
[21:13:40] <alex_joni> I was very busy this morning.. had to weld some parts
[21:14:01] <paul_c> * paul_c ovoids welding for pay
[21:14:33] <paul_c> did some testing wth rtlinux-3.0 and the new configure after you had gone...
[21:16:00] <paul_c> We need to rethink how the configs are extracted
[21:22:32] <alex_joni> hmmm... not working?
[21:22:42] <alex_joni> * alex_joni really likes to weld...
[21:22:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni really likes to weld... but only with a welding robot ;)
[21:24:15] <paul_c> If RTLinux has been compiled but not installed (with "make install") rtl-config fails
[21:24:51] <paul_c> so we need to either re-work the data extraction or spit out a warning
[21:43:21] <alex_joni> yup... I think warning is ok
[21:44:08] <alex_joni> or maybe instruct the user: "RT signatures not found. Maybe you forgot 'make install' in the RT source dir"
[21:44:41] <alex_joni> or... for RTLinux : you should execute ./configure make make install in the RTLinux sourcedir
[21:45:50] <alex_joni> or... for RTAI: you should execute ./configure make configure, make, make dev, make install, make install_rt_devel, make install_runtime in the RTAI sourcedir
[21:46:43] <paul_c> I'll have a little think about it...
[21:47:36] <paul_c> For RTAI, I would be inclined to either use another method or advise an upgrade
[22:06:08] <alex_joni> well... maybe post a message on RTAI's group.. what is their favorite approach
[22:10:05] <paul_c> I think the response would be Upgrade
[22:13:25] <alex_joni> ;)
[22:13:29] <alex_joni> to RTAI-3.0?
[22:13:32] <alex_joni> or later?
[22:14:15] <trp> good morning paul_c, just climbing into the chair with a cup of coffee.
[22:14:23] <alex_joni> well.. I don't think the regular user appreciates an upgrade message after he spent a few days to install an older RTAI....
[22:14:49] <alex_joni> I know when I started to check for RT for emc, I visited RTAI's site...
[22:15:02] <alex_joni> and I found no notice that says... if you can use RTAI-version
[22:15:37] <alex_joni> so I went with rtai-24.1.12 simply because the install procedure was stated inside some .pdf (integrator if my memory serves me well... usually it fails ;)
[22:16:03] <paul_c> There are ways round it...
[22:16:19] <paul_c> I'll have a look after lunch.
[23:55:54] <CIA-9> 03paul_c 07auto_configure_0_1 * 10emc2/ (configure configure.in): Check version.h for the kernel UTS-Version rather than trusting uname to return the correct one.