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[00:30:41] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i asked arceye and dewey on the forum to make some minor changes to the arc radius tolerance patch they're working up
[00:48:53] <cradek> thanks, I agree with your request
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[02:35:13] <skunkworks_> does the comment from rob make sense? (I have not had a chance to test his branch on realtime yet - managed to get the flu)
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[04:09:07] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.6 875f2e9 06linuxcnc 10(5 files in 2 dirs) gmoccapy_1_4_0 - turtle jog and analog in for slider values * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=875f2e9
[04:10:00] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.7 b3779c7 06linuxcnc Merge branch '2.6' into 2.7 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3779c7
[04:10:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 05master d237a26 06linuxcnc Merge branch '2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d237a26
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[08:21:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 40f7345 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/getting-started/Getting-LinuxCNC.txt docs: drop wget in favor of zsync * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=40f7345
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[12:46:18] <lair82> Good Morning guys, I would assume that the guys I would need to notify would be here before anywhere else, I have been having major issues with the forum lately, I am only getting random reply post to the threads I am subscribed to, and they normally aren't even in the order they were posted in. I went as far as to update my email address, and that made no difference. Any thoughts?
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[13:08:46] <cradek> /wib
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[13:38:49] <lair82> +cradek, what does /wib mean?
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[14:11:27] <cradek> it means it's very early in the morning and I accidentally type things
[14:11:50] <lair82> Oh, I see
[14:12:53] <cradek> -rw-r----- 1 root adm 16664595 Dec 30 06:12 mail.log
[14:13:10] <cradek> because the forum is on dreamhost, none of us can see the mail logs
[14:13:34] <cradek> your mail provider might have something in their logs, but that's a distant second best
[14:13:54] <cradek> who is your mail provider?
[14:14:55] <cradek> if you get some messages but they are delayed, the headers in the delayed messages themselves will be your best data
[14:15:14] <cradek> maybe pastebin one with full headers showing, if you are inexperienced at reading that stuff
[14:19:59] <lair82> I believe it starts at Special Domain Services LLC, that is what it says in the address bar at the top of my screen
[14:20:43] <lair82> Who is actually the administrator then of the forum?
[14:21:15] <archivist> if your mail provider runs similar to gmail, it looks at content sees links and decides it is spamy and bounces the message with a 500something to the sender ruining your list mail
[14:22:31] <lair82> I believe it does run similar, but I had gmail before and never really noticed any problems
[14:23:12] <archivist> I am losing listmail since october, they seem to have upped their protection, annoying the senders
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[14:28:48] <lair82> It is really annoying, and that is even an understatement.
[14:29:30] <lair82> I guess I don't really see anyone else complaining too loudly about this, so maybe its isolated to my email???
[14:30:15] <mozmck> some of the problem has to do with yahoo...
[14:31:39] <mozmck> I haven't had any problem, although I rarely use the forum.
[14:32:15] <lair82> What email services are working OK? I would go as far setting something else up and have it forwarded to my main email account.
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[14:43:34] <archivist> I would say none are fully working these days, spam fighting is beginning to break stuff
[14:46:05] <lair82> Wonderful, I updated my forum email to one of my personal email addresses, see if that makes a difference i guess.
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[15:00:43] <cradek> I suspect it's also the case that your email provider uses their other users' opinions about what's spam to help filter your mail
[15:01:37] <cradek> I bet forum mails look like noise to a lot of people (as do mailing lists) because people are often idiots who don't realize or understand that they asked for the messages
[15:02:14] <cradek> but still I think you should take the advice of looking at the headers of the delayed emails and see where they were delayed
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[15:09:52] <lair82> Just figured out how to look at that, here is one from this morning
http://pastebin.com/vmWVf4h8
[15:11:13] <lair82> And another,
http://pastebin.com/SuUfiy2s
[15:15:03] <cradek> those look like they made it to you in just a few seconds
[15:16:39] <cradek> "Vade Retro" has "secret sauce" that filters your mail
[15:16:51] <cradek> I assume that's something "secureserver.net" is using for you
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[15:18:33] <cradek> it's hard to know for sure, but I bet this is something you can fix with your email provider, whoever that is
[15:18:38] <archivist> it gave a scor of 0 and it looks like it throws a wobbly at 300
[15:18:53] <cradek> well that one got through
[15:19:04] <cradek> the other one does not have X-VR headers for some reason
[15:19:16] <cradek> and we don't know what happens to the filtered ones
[15:20:40] <archivist> I only know about stops and bounces when the list server asks me what's wrong, some are counting bounces and crossing you off the list
[15:21:24] <lair82> http://pastebin.com/VSm9T9Tp here is when I clicked view mail source, pastebin said there was spam in this
[15:21:39] <JT-Shop> I get a lot of emails from the list that end up in the spam bin
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[15:22:59] <cradek> archivist, JT-Shop: he's asking about mail resulting from forum posts, not the mailing list
[15:23:52] <lair82> After looking at it, my desktop client is just getting messed up even further, but when I look at the times on my mail webpage, the replies that did make it thru, appear to be at roughly the same time they were posted, but when I look, there were 3 more posts in between 2 of the ones that made to my inbox
[15:24:09] <archivist> spam software does not know the difference methinks
[15:24:23] <cradek> lair82: your mail provider should be able to provide a list of the emails it blocked for you
[15:24:40] <cradek> lair82: I don't see any reason yet to believe this problem is anywhere but your email provider
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[15:25:08] <cradek> (although to be fair I don't really have much data at all)
[15:25:34] <mozmck> My ISP provides email, and I made sure they did not block any of my emails.
[15:25:49] <cradek> I always turn off the forum emails, and when I forget, I get them and they irritate me
[15:25:58] <cradek> mozmck: do you use our forum?
[15:25:59] <lair82> That's fine, I just wanted to be able to narrow it down to something, like I said I don't see anybody else squawking about it currently, so I was starting to figure it was something on my end.
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[15:26:12] <mozmck> I think I had to call and tell them to remove all spam blocking when I signed up.
[15:26:26] <cradek> lair82: I agree with your intuition, and it makes me sad that neither of us has access to much data
[15:26:38] <mozmck> cradek: not very much, but I am a moderator there and I get notified of every email.
[15:27:05] <lair82> No problem +cradek , I will have to try to contact them and get this straightened out.
[15:27:07] <mozmck> I'm not a forum fan. Takes way too much time compared to mailing list.
[15:27:14] <cradek> mozmck: no kidding there
[15:27:36] <cradek> I use rss2email to scrape the forum, but replying is a huge pain because I have to go to the web thingy
[15:28:09] <mozmck> Some ISPs or maybe many now are using Gmail for their email provider, which I think is a bad thing
[15:28:35] <archivist> and gmail does block...grrrrr
[15:28:36] <cradek> I have always run my own mail servers but that isn't something everyone can realistically do
[15:28:48] <cradek> so I'm sad for you all, but I can't help you :-)
[15:29:11] <archivist> I run a server for a company but not for me
[15:30:26] <mozmck> Every ISP I have had provides email so far, and has been pretty good. Another option is getting email through a private website. A domain is ~$12 per year, hosting ~$5 or less per month, and you can generally get several or even unlimited email accounts with a hosting account.
[15:31:21] <cradek> I bet the service you get by paying someone even a nominal amount is much better than what you get from the "free" providers
[15:32:24] <mozmck> that could well be, and they probably aren't scanning all your email so they can target you with ads like gmail does
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[17:27:24] <kwallace2> Since I'm in the US I know about NPT threads, but haven't a clue what is popular elsewhere. Are there other standards that are as popular but just not here?
[17:27:53] <cradek> do you mean for pipes specifically?
[17:28:55] <archivist> british standard pipe thread
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[17:31:05] <kwallace2> I have a g-code generator for pipe threads but only got as far as NPT in the app. Now I need to add any data for other pipe threads that are worthy of the effort.
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[17:32:00] <archivist> I dont think there is a metric pipe thread, they use bsp
[17:32:32] <kwallace2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Pipe
[17:32:37] <archivist> there are some other threads, on gas services though
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[17:33:31] <archivist> and yes there is a parallel as well as taper BSP
[17:33:54] <archivist> parallel is not common
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[17:37:29] <kwallace2> I have turned threads on PVC pipe
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[17:38:51] <kwallace2> to get a custom length or avoid going to the hardware store. Having the g-code generator makes that easier.
[17:40:33] <kwallace2> I can imagine someone in another country be frustrated by not having the same thing available in the local configuration. If everyone uses NPT then I don't have to worry.
[17:40:46] <kwallace2> be/being
[17:41:00] <archivist> everyone in europe uses BSP
[17:41:20] <cradek> it's almost always safe to assume everyone uses the american standards
[17:41:42] <archivist> with the rare bit of npt
[17:41:50] <archivist> not at all
[17:43:33] <cradek> sorry, I was doing that thing where I think it's funny to say something that's obviously untrue
[17:44:10] <archivist> you have to use the irc sarcasm font to do that :)
[17:44:59] <archivist> oxygen bottles has an odd thread too
[17:45:06] <archivist> have
[17:47:15] <kwallace2> I noticed my Machinery's Handbook has a section on fire hose threads too. That could be handy.
[17:47:45] <archivist> http://glennmcanally.com/sarcastic/
[17:48:15] <kwallace2> And lamp socket threads.
[17:48:18] <archivist> there is a drilling rig taper thread too, wont fit on most lathes though
[17:50:08] <archivist> I am slowly collecting thread data, there are many
[17:50:46] <archivist> Elgin had their own watch threads
[17:51:29] <kwallace2> It looks like the tool form on BSP is more critical. It looks like they want the peaks and valleys to seal as well as the flanks?
[17:52:05] <archivist> yup, I use a form insert to do that
[17:52:29] <ktchk> BA copper screws in our electrical cabinets
[17:53:45] <archivist> BA based on the swiss
[17:53:51] <archivist> Thury thread
[17:54:39] <archivist> plenty of clockmakers used BA too
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[17:55:57] <ktchk> I first saw it in volt meters on electrical panel
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[19:36:47] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.7 0000.checkin
[19:36:48] <linuxcnc-build> build #2858 forced
[19:36:48] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[20:25:18] <linuxcnc-build> build #2321 of 2000.docs is complete: Failure [4failed compile rsync-docs-to-www.linuxcnc.org] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/2000.docs/builds/2321
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[20:28:26] <seb_kuzminsky> oops, my bad
[20:29:08] <linuxcnc-build> build #2858 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/2858
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[20:55:30] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.7 2000.docs
[20:55:31] <linuxcnc-build> build #2322 forced
[20:55:31] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[21:04:45] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build 2000.docs #2322 is complete: Warnings [8warnings compile]
[21:04:45] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/2000.docs/builds/2322
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