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[00:29:30] <memfrob> mozmck: xenomai 2.6 hasn't been dropped yet
[00:30:46] <memfrob> seb_kuzminsky: thank you :) i took at look at porting IPIPE to 3.18 and it would take a few days but its mostly careful copypasta, not any re-write really
[00:31:14] <memfrob> the hardest part about 3.16 was the new assembly code stuff, thats why i needed one of the xenomai devs to fix the entry_32 and entry_64.S files
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[02:25:06] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: reading way back: sure I can
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[03:29:43] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: thanks! i think it'll be simpler if the install instructions can say just "install off this cd" instead of "install off this cd, then do the upgrade procedure"
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[04:01:05] <seb_kuzminsky> just to annoy jepler:
[04:01:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05seb/master/po4a ab4fc27 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/Submakefile build with po4a v0.42, from wheezy * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab4fc27
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[04:38:03] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: done, untested, path is binary27.....(.zsync)
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[04:38:25] <cradek> I had good luck seeding with the other one
[04:42:09] <seb_kuzminsky> great! i'll test it out
[04:45:02] <seb_kuzminsky> i got bad status code 403
[04:45:23] <seb_kuzminsky> partway through the download
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[04:47:05] <seb_kuzminsky> ah
[04:47:11] <seb_kuzminsky> -rw------- 1 emcboard pg167418 1187692544 Dec 16 2014 binary27.hybrid.iso
[04:47:18] <seb_kuzminsky> fixed
[04:47:42] <seb_kuzminsky> i_should_buy_a_faster_disk.jpg
[04:47:52] <cradek> oops
[04:48:29] <seb_kuzminsky> is it the same as the 2.6 iso except with 2.7.0~pre2?
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[04:48:46] <seb_kuzminsky> ok now it's downloading
[04:48:54] <seb_kuzminsky> zsync is cool
[04:49:04] <cradek> yes and other package updates
[04:49:09] <seb_kuzminsky> right
[04:49:12] <seb_kuzminsky> perfect, thanks
[04:49:21] <cradek> welcome
[04:49:29] <cradek> thanks for making packages!
[04:49:36] <seb_kuzminsky> :-)
[04:49:55] <seb_kuzminsky> used 978345984 local, fetched 210429668
[04:50:46] <cradek> I'd've tested it, but I can't run qemu on my selectric terminal
[04:51:21] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
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[04:52:31] <seb_kuzminsky> it boots to the live system
[04:52:41] <cradek> yay
[04:53:06] <seb_kuzminsky> and my VM has 20,000,000 ns jitter, but i'm ok with that
[04:53:12] <skunkworks> 2.7 livecd?
[04:53:16] <seb_kuzminsky> ye
[04:53:38] <seb_kuzminsky> err, way ahead of 2.7.0 i should note....
[04:54:24] <seb_kuzminsky> and the touchy/glavecdp sim config runs
[04:54:32] <seb_kuzminsky> this is great
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[04:55:17] <cradek> super
[04:55:55] * seb_kuzminsky recklessly overwrites his wheezy machine with the new installer
[04:56:18] <cradek> eh, it'll be fine
[04:56:24] * seb_kuzminsky sometimes refers to himself in the third person
[04:56:27] <cradek> I should try it on my lathe
[04:56:44] <cradek> although I've been milling and not latheing lately
[04:57:17] <seb_kuzminsky> quick, somebody make a joke about booting the image off punch cards or something
[04:58:17] <cradek> I've never booted from punch cards (that can't be a thing) but I've certainly booted from tape
[04:59:12] <cradek> I have a dim memory of early hpux versions swapping to tape to install on low-ram machines
[04:59:23] <cradek> I'm only about half sure that wasn't a bad dream
[05:02:58] <seb_kuzminsky> it sounds terrible
[05:03:41] <seb_kuzminsky> i remember copying audio tapes containing pirated video games, and having like 80% of the copy work
[05:04:42] <cradek> heh, copied on regular audio equipment?
[05:05:51] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, my parents had a stereo with not one but two casette decks
[05:05:56] <seb_kuzminsky> it was deluxe
[05:06:01] <cradek> I still have one!
[05:06:11] <cradek> I sometimes use it to make tapes for ... my car
[05:06:18] <seb_kuzminsky> do all your tapes sound all warbly
[05:06:20] <seb_kuzminsky> ?
[05:06:24] <cradek> no, they're fine
[05:06:32] <cradek> maybe that's why your games didn't run, haha
[05:06:38] <cradek> needed new rubber bands
[05:06:52] <seb_kuzminsky> they should invent a bluetooth audio receiver built into a casette, powered by the tape drive motor
[05:06:58] <seb_kuzminsky> for, you know, cradek
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[05:07:14] <cradek> what use would I have for that? I've got all these tapes.
[05:07:37] <cradek> sometimes my life borders on ridiculous
[05:07:52] <cradek> fortunately I like it that way just fine
[05:07:57] <seb_kuzminsky> you could send yourself a voicemail of you playing your audio tapes, then listen to them in the car
[05:08:56] <seb_kuzminsky> the install worked
[05:09:01] <cradek> cool
[05:09:11] <seb_kuzminsky> not that i'm surprised
[05:09:23] <cradek> if you're bold you might make sure I have the (commented) buildbot sources spelled right
[05:09:33] <seb_kuzminsky> oh yeah, good idea
[05:09:49] <cradek> I checked them, but you know how it is
[05:10:10] <seb_kuzminsky> the 2.7 part of the buildbot's going to change one of these weeks, that's why i havent announced it yet
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[05:10:28] <seb_kuzminsky> in 2.6 and older we have linuxcnc.deb (for rtai) and linuxcnc-sim.deb (for vanilla)
[05:11:13] <seb_kuzminsky> err, i mean the deb components are 2.6-rt (for rtai) and 2.6-sim (for vanilla)
[05:11:27] <seb_kuzminsky> in 2.7 i want 2.7-rtai for rtai and 2.7-uspace for rt-preempt and vanilla
[05:11:46] <seb_kuzminsky> but i need to futz with the buildbot to make the old and the new ways work right somehow
[05:12:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i like that you put git on the install iso
[05:12:35] <cradek> once you give up on making it fit on a cd, it gets easy
[05:12:58] <seb_kuzminsky> in that case can you add screen to the next one? :-)
[05:13:01] <cradek> and I've heard very little complaining about that decision
[05:13:13] <seb_kuzminsky> i've heard none
[05:13:24] <seb_kuzminsky> i think the age of cds may finally be behind us
[05:14:02] <cradek> sure, screen added
[05:14:51] <seb_kuzminsky> yay
[05:15:41] <seb_kuzminsky> when i ran "apt-get install screen" it ran a bunch of triggers ("Processing triggers for man-db ...", etc), then it said
[05:15:53] <seb_kuzminsky> insserv: warning: script 'realtime' missing LSB tags and overrides
[05:16:00] <cradek> hmm
[05:16:05] <seb_kuzminsky> i don't think i've seen that before, but maybe i've just missed it
[05:16:28] <cradek> are they screwing with init yet? surely not in the stable version
[05:16:31] <seb_kuzminsky> the realtime script works, because linuxcnc starts just fine
[05:17:52] <seb_kuzminsky> /sbin/init is from sysvinit.deb
[05:21:48] <seb_kuzminsky> it's got mesaflash 3.1, cool
[05:22:11] <seb_kuzminsky> and truetype-tracer 4.1
[05:22:21] <seb_kuzminsky> the buildbot apt source lines are working
[05:22:50] <seb_kuzminsky> this looks great cradek
[05:23:15] <seb_kuzminsky> it's kind of magical when everything works right
[05:23:48] <cradek> I sure like when the work is already done, and I can just tweak it and rebuild
[05:24:15] <cradek> if you want to rename the file and fix up links to it, please do
[05:24:23] <cradek> the filenames are silly
[05:24:35] <seb_kuzminsky> they are, a little
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[05:24:52] <seb_kuzminsky> there are no links yet, right?
[05:24:55] <seb_kuzminsky> to the iso i mean
[05:25:03] <cradek> not to the 27
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[05:25:59] <seb_kuzminsky> i won't rename the 2.6 install iso but i will rename the 2.7 one
[05:26:07] <cradek> perfect
[05:26:13] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy.iso
[05:26:26] <cradek> ok
[05:28:54] <cradek> I think you have to edit the beginning of the .zsync file if you rename it
[05:28:57] <cradek> or something
[05:29:34] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks for the heads up
[05:29:49] <seb_kuzminsky> whoops, note to self, dont try to edit the iso by mistake
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[05:31:36] <seb_kuzminsky> is it a bad sign if i accidentally run "vi mumble.iso" on snotra, and it hangs for a minute and then kills my ssh connection?
[05:32:43] <seb_kuzminsky> editing the .zsync file works much better
[05:37:17] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, well i renamed the iso and zsync file, but now it's ignoring my local copy and re-downloading the whole thing
[05:37:26] <seb_kuzminsky> (i renamed my local copy to match)
[05:37:41] <cradek> use -i the first time?
[05:37:59] <cradek> I don't know how it keeps the two things connected by default
[05:38:14] <cradek> you'd think it would be "take off the .zsync extension" but it seems to be more complicated than that
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[05:40:51] <cradek> goodnight!
[05:41:49] <seb_kuzminsky> ok goodnight :-)
[05:42:08] <seb_kuzminsky> heh then it says "verifying download...checksum matches OK"
[05:42:15] <seb_kuzminsky> not great
[05:42:19] <seb_kuzminsky> it matches OK
[05:43:20] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, i think it was operator error on my end
[05:43:21] <memfrob> *sum -c says the same thing (md5sum, etc)
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[05:43:55] <seb_kuzminsky> apparently using an iso in libvirt changes the ownership of the file to libvirt-qemu.libvirt-qemu
[05:43:59] <seb_kuzminsky> that's some wtf right there
[05:44:41] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, the old and the new files match, so i think the rename worked
[05:44:48] <memfrob> hey seb_kuzminsky can you post the github link again to that deb builder git repo so i can build debs outside of debian?
[05:45:03] <seb_kuzminsky> oh sure, just a sec
[05:45:47] <seb_kuzminsky> here it is:
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/linux-rtai-build
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[05:46:10] <memfrob> thank you!
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[05:46:30] <memfrob> that only builds rtai userspace (/usr/realtime) or kernel too?
[05:46:31] <seb_kuzminsky> that clones a bunch of other git repos, including the debianized kernel sources, and builds debs from them
[05:46:42] <memfrob> ah its both, i see
[05:46:55] <seb_kuzminsky> the tricky bit will be to update the kernel source git repo with the new kernel version & rtai patch
[05:47:14] <seb_kuzminsky> that's here:
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/linux-rtai-debian
[05:47:24] <seb_kuzminsky> it's both and then some
[05:47:29] <memfrob> yes id like to build 3.16 debs because the only system so far ive tested it on, it kinda sucks with.
[05:47:38] <seb_kuzminsky> bummer
[05:47:40] <memfrob> i dont know if thats wide-spread or just me
[05:47:52] <memfrob> im also using hardware not similar at all to the rest of the linuxcnc community
[05:48:24] <memfrob> nor RTAI community.. nor 99% of the linux community come to think of it. who uses linux and pays $500 on a GPU
[05:50:03] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
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[07:59:57] <memfrob> seb_kuzminsky: im looking at your makefile for linux-rtai-build, almost as big as kernel.org's
[08:00:23] <memfrob> this is gunna take awhile to read and modify heh
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[12:42:00] <skunkworks> 2.7 is that close?
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[14:49:47] <seb_kuzminsky> memfrob: the top-level makefile isn't that important, the hard-ish part is going to be the kernel debianization
[14:50:56] <seb_kuzminsky> you'll have to find the debianization of the nearest kernel version (from the debian kernel folks)
[14:51:03] <seb_kuzminsky> the link to their svn is in the top-level readme
[14:51:46] <seb_kuzminsky> then look at the 3.4.55-rtai branch of my kernel debianization repo and see which of those commit you need to cherry-pick or reimplement in your 3.16-rtai branch
[14:52:05] <seb_kuzminsky> then change a couple of variables in the top-level makefile to use your new branch
[14:52:18] <skunkworks> easy peezie
[14:53:06] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: i'm not sure how close 2.7 is... but it's closer now that we have the install cd
[14:53:19] <skunkworks> neat
[14:53:47] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm going to update the Getting Started docs with "fresh install" instructions using the live cd, then i'm waiting to merge dgarr's hallib branch, then i'll make a 2.7.0~pre3 release
[14:53:58] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm hoping that will get wider testing than ~pre2 did
[14:54:07] <seb_kuzminsky> it'll have dgarr's moveoff comp
[14:54:58] <skunkworks> nice
[14:55:03] <seb_kuzminsky> then depending on how it goes with testing & bug reports we'll be well prepared to move ahead with the 2.7 branch
[14:55:26] <seb_kuzminsky> I'm very happy with the feature set in the 2.7 branch, and i'd like to have a much shorter release cycle than 2.6 did
[14:58:28] <skunkworks> I have not played with the moveoff comp yet. The only big scary thing that I see on the man page is the issue if you say hit the estop during the offset. you have to make darn sure the enabling takes into account the offset.
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[15:01:29] <skunkworks> (the examples might handle this gracefully - I don't know)
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[15:53:24] <skunkworks> hmm playing with it a little bit. Doesn't make sense - if the offset is removed (by estop) wouldn't the backplot jump to the new encoder position?
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[15:53:39] <skunkworks> which would be harmless
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[20:59:06] <memfrob> seb_kuzminsky: make-kpkg handles that for me
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[21:11:34] <seb_kuzminsky> memfrob: make-kpkg does make debs, but it makes them differently than the debianization of the kernel that builds the official debian.org and ubuntu.com kernel debs
[21:12:37] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont remember all the differences off the top of my head, but back when i worked on this 6 months ago i remember deciding that the offical way was preferable to the kernel-package (make-kpkg) way
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[21:18:10] <mozmck> for the ubuntu kernels, there is a git repository and all the debianization is done already.
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[21:24:20] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: yep, similar for the debian.org kernel, though they use svn
[21:24:36] <seb_kuzminsky> there's a link to their public repo in the readme of the package builder that memfrob is looking at
[21:24:37] <mozmck> I see. I haven't looked at theirs.
[21:24:49] <mozmck> make-kpkg?
[21:24:55] <seb_kuzminsky> no
[21:25:11] <seb_kuzminsky> https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/linux-rtai-build
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[21:26:15] <seb_kuzminsky> so what i did for the 3.4.55-rtai kernel we're shipping on wheezy and precise was to find the commit in their repo that most closely corresponded to the kernel version i was targetting, branch from that point and smack it until it built
[21:26:38] <seb_kuzminsky> and the result is here:
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/linux-rtai-debian
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[21:28:46] <Tom_itx> heh such technical terms...
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[21:30:19] <seb_kuzminsky> it was a delicate, precise kind of smacking
[21:32:21] <mozmck> ah, I see.
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