#linuxcnc-devel | Logs for 2014-12-01

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[00:00:03] <pcw_home> did you go back to ~/linuxcnc-dev before . ./scripts/rip-environment?
[00:00:10] <atom1> yes
[00:00:42] <pcw_home> and ran linuxcnc from the same shell?
[00:00:49] <atom1> it built master just fine the first time i did it
[00:00:51] <atom1> yes
[00:01:49] <KimK> pcw_home: Hi Peter. Yes, 10.04 is still my main system here too, but after a long delay I'm again looking around for an OS and a new LinuxCNC for my other PCs, Unit1 and Unit2 ("Thing 1" and "Thing 2"?).
[00:02:09] <pcw_home> strange, I dont think I have ever seen that behaviour , though I dont build on 10.04 very often
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[00:06:58] <KimK> My search has become more urgent now because a recent update has hosed something in 12.04 and it no longer recognizes eth0, my internet connection. Boot to 10.04 and eth0 is fine, but 10.04 is a little clunky on the CPU/GPU, it can't do 1920x1080, has to settle for 1280x1024 or something, looks stretched/compressed.
[00:07:22] <atom1> i had that happen to me on 10.04 once
[00:08:16] <atom1> couldn't figure it out so reinstalled from the iso
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[00:11:36] <KimK> Glad that fixed it for you, it didn't for me. I fiddled and fiddled, played with grandr, etc. But 12.04 worked great, so I live with 10.04 when I'm there. But now with 12.04 wounded, and I haven't been able to fix it, I may be looking at a reinstall, so now's the time to switch OSs, if I'm going to.
[00:12:23] <micges> atom1: ./linuxcnc from scripts diretory reported what version?
[00:12:31] <atom1> still compiling
[00:13:33] <atom1> tom@atom1:~/linuxcnc-dev/scripts$ ./linuxcnc
[00:13:33] <atom1> LINUXCNC - 2.7.0~pre2
[00:14:08] <atom1> but
[00:14:20] <atom1> when i ./scripts/rip-environment
[00:14:32] <atom1> i gettom@atom1:~/linuxcnc-dev$ linuxcnc
[00:14:32] <atom1> LINUXCNC - 2.5.4
[00:15:01] <micges> once again on what system you are ?
[00:15:11] <atom1> 10.04 ubuntu
[00:15:34] <atom1> normally running 2.5.4
[00:16:09] <micges> hmm env thing should work
[00:16:22] <atom1> apparently it isn't
[00:21:18] <atom1> if i give it the full path it seems to work
[00:22:42] <KimK> pcw_home: Oh, sorry, I misread your earlier line, I trust 14.04 has been working out OK for you? I'd still like to get away from Ubuntu (and Gnome) while those guys, as I think cradek said earlier, "...are out in the weeds..." If I thought I could get help if I needed it, instead of "why didn't you install wheezy?", I think I'd install Mint. I might anyway, lol.
[00:24:52] <atom1> ok it seems to be working ok now
[00:25:04] <atom1> dunno what i did the first time
[00:27:57] <atom1> now how do i get it to see my configs?
[00:28:59] <micges> rename ~/emc2 to ~/linuxcnc
[00:29:45] <atom1> it's already ~/linuxcnc
[00:30:27] <micges> you have configs there?
[00:30:41] <atom1> in a config folder yes
[00:30:57] <atom1> i've done this with 2.6 but forgot how i did it
[00:31:36] <micges> then it should work
[00:31:47] <atom1> ./home/tom/linuxcnc/configs/sherline
[00:34:08] <atom1> ok i got it
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[00:38:56] <atom1> i thought i did anyway..
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[00:57:07] <Tom_itx> thanks for the help
[00:59:52] <micges> np
[01:01:14] <KimK> Is anyone here using Wheezy? How's it working out?
[01:02:27] <micges> KimK: that's the one latest lcnc distro is based?
[01:03:22] <pcw_home> Wheezy works fine with my hardware testing (though the default GUI is pretty spartan)
[01:03:45] <KimK> I'm not sure, that's why I'm here asking questions. I've heard talk of it as a possible new LinuxCNC OS, though.
[01:04:10] <pcw_home> The latest ISO uses Wheezy
[01:05:35] <micges> pcw_home: default gui is LXDE? with cpu measurement in lower right?
[01:06:08] <pcw_home> Not sure what its called
[01:06:33] <micges> ok
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[01:08:25] <KimK> pcw_home: OK, I'll install from that then, after I resize. In the past I've used Debian as the third OS in a multi-boot, so I'd have a tool in partition 3 to use when working with partitions 1 & 2, but I've never actually tried to run LinuxCNC on Debian.
[01:08:46] <KimK> micges: XFCE, maybe?
[01:08:57] <micges> KimK: it's stable, less config problems than ubuntu
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[01:09:29] <micges> maybe
[01:09:53] <micges> I always switch to lxde when I can and I can
[01:10:07] <KimK> Yes, Ubuntu and Gnome are running people off left and right with their shenanigans, IMO.
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[01:10:15] <micges> so I don't remember default one on iso
[01:11:22] <pcw_home> the default GUI editor (mousepad) is not as nice as gedit
[01:11:38] <KimK> micges: OK, thanks, I'll give LXDE a try, if they make it easy to do. And they probably do.
[01:12:04] <KimK> pcw_home: Did you fix it or live with it?
[01:12:41] <pcw_home> im still living with it, I guess I could install Gnome
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[01:16:47] <KimK> Ha, I forgot about GNOMEedit, lol. That's why I was interested in Mint, because of Cinnamon and MATE (mah-TAY). Cinnamon tries to take Gnome 3 and fix it, which I thought was a good idea at first, now not sure. MATE takes Gnome 2 as it was in 10.04 (working great!) and forks it forward from there.
[01:18:41] <KimK> I've tried Cinnamon, it's OK, but has a few minor hiccups, most people won't be bothered. But I want to try MATE next, make sure I'm not missing out on something good. I always liked the 10.04 menu.
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[01:21:53] <KimK> Mint 17.1 happens to be at the top of http://distrowatch.com right now.
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[01:28:04] <KimK> The guys are probably right though, Debian is probably smaller/lighter and more standard than Mint.
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[02:19:24] <Tom_itx> XFCE is default on the iso
[02:19:35] <Tom_itx> i have installed it on a spare ssd
[02:19:58] <Tom_itx> and i did install gedit as the editor
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[02:41:53] <atom1> zlog,
[02:41:53] <zlog> atom1: Log stored at http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~tom-itx/irc/logs/%23linuxcnc-devel/2014-11-30.html
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[02:59:03] <KimK> Tom_itx: Do you recall how much more you had to install to get gedit back?
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[03:02:53] <skunkworks> iirc all I did was do a sudo apt-get install gedit... it installed what was needed
[03:04:44] <atom1> yeah
[03:04:51] <atom1> only i did it from the package manager
[03:05:01] <atom1> i'm installing on the ssd with wheezy now
[03:05:10] <atom1> it's dealing me all sorts of fits
[03:05:28] <atom1> libmodbus-dev is installed and it's not liking that
[03:05:38] <cmorley> kimk: i'm not thrilled with wheezy but it may just be XFCE (i think that's what it is), on one computer I switch to MATE and like it alot. though I havent run it for too long.
[03:05:46] <atom1> libusb 1.0.0-dev is installed and it's not liking that either
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[03:06:47] <atom1> error: libmodbus3 not found
[03:06:57] <atom1> it installed 5 and -dev
[03:08:50] <cmorley> KimK: I will try mint debian when the next version comes out soon. I would use mint17 if I could get linuxcnc to work on it.
[03:16:41] <KimK> cmorley: Hi! Good to hear from you. Interesting, you've tried Mint17 and couldn't get LinuxCNC to work on it? What happened?
[03:17:59] <cmorley> no I havent tried mint 17 yet, I tried 16 I think but I can't specifically remember y I didn't end up with it.
[03:19:29] <cmorley> though linux did run on it in simulator at least
[03:19:35] <cmorley> linuxcnc
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[03:32:47] <KimK> I'm presently resizing my "Unit 1" in prep for the Wheezy install. Let me check on it... OK, it was done, started Wheezy install, I'll let you know how it went shortly. I'll have two other partitions, so one could be Mint17 MATE, and see how it gets along woth LinuxCNC. Maybe one for Ubuntu 14.04? Or what would you suggest?
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[03:53:21] <seb_kuzminsky> we currently build on debian wheezy, ubuntu lucid (10.04), and ubuntu precise (12.04) on the buildbot all the time, so i'm confident those three distros work well
[03:53:49] <seb_kuzminsky> i bet the comparable version(s?) of mint should work well too, but i dont know what their version numbers are
[03:54:12] <atom1> i'm having issues compiling on wheezy right now
[03:54:20] <atom1> swapped to my ssd to try it
[03:54:43] <seb_kuzminsky> atom1: linuxcnc requires several packages to be installed in order to compile right
[03:54:59] <seb_kuzminsky> you can ask it for the list of required build-dependencies by running these commands:
[03:55:03] <atom1> yeah i know
[03:55:07] <seb_kuzminsky> ah ok
[03:55:12] <atom1> i installed modbus and it's still bitching
[03:55:13] <atom1> -dev
[03:55:28] <atom1> i installed libusb 1.0.0-dev and it didn't like that either
[03:55:57] <atom1> libmodbus3 and all i can get is libmodbus5 and -dev
[03:56:03] <seb_kuzminsky> i have libmodbus-dev version 3.0.3-1 on my wheezy machine and it's working well
[03:56:08] <atom1> libusb 1.0.0-dev is there and installed
[03:56:42] <seb_kuzminsky> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9324572/
[03:56:54] <KimK> Hi Seb, good to hear from you! You're a busy guy, are you managing 2.7 too? My Wheezy initial install is done, now downloading the first updates.
[03:57:16] <seb_kuzminsky> hi KimK, long time no hear :-)
[03:57:19] <seb_kuzminsky> hope you're well
[03:57:35] <seb_kuzminsky> atom1: i have libusb-1.0-0-dev version 2:1.0.11-1
[03:57:40] <KimK> Mostly, lol.
[03:57:45] <seb_kuzminsky> heh yeah
[03:58:11] <seb_kuzminsky> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9324585/
[03:58:32] <seb_kuzminsky> atom1: when you say "it doesn't like it", what exactly do you mean?
[03:59:10] <atom1> http://paste.debian.net/134377/
[03:59:28] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, that looks good
[03:59:39] <seb_kuzminsky> now what's the error? is it at configure-time or compile-time?
[03:59:45] <atom1> configure: error: libmodbus3 not found!
[03:59:45] <atom1> install with "sudo apt-get install libmodbus-dev" or disable with
[03:59:45] <atom1> "configure --without-libmodbus"
[03:59:58] <atom1> configure time
[04:00:12] <atom1> same with libusb 1.0.0-dev
[04:00:23] <seb_kuzminsky> paste your src/config.log
[04:01:19] <atom1> http://paste.debian.net/134378/
[04:02:03] <seb_kuzminsky> atom1: what do you get from 'uname -a'
[04:02:14] <KimK> Sorry I couldn't make it to Texas this summer, it sounded like fun. How big a crowd did you get there?
[04:02:20] <seb_kuzminsky> and 'lsb_release -ac'
[04:02:29] <atom1> Linux atom1 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 3.4.55-3linuxcnc i686 GNU/Linux
[04:02:40] <seb_kuzminsky> ok good
[04:02:52] <seb_kuzminsky> atom1: and dpkg-architecture
[04:02:52] <atom1> No LSB modules are available.
[04:02:52] <atom1> Distributor ID: Debian
[04:02:52] <atom1> Description: Debian GNU/Linux 7.7 (wheezy)
[04:02:52] <atom1> Release: 7.7
[04:02:52] <atom1> Codename: wheezy
[04:03:13] <atom1> not found
[04:03:37] <atom1> err command not found
[04:03:39] <seb_kuzminsky> KimK: Houston was great this year. It was Chris Radek and Jeff Epler and Jon Elson and me, and a bunch of new guys getting their systems configured and running
[04:03:54] <seb_kuzminsky> great fun, and, ahem, more productive than Witchita last year... ;-)
[04:04:07] <atom1> good to hear
[04:04:15] <seb_kuzminsky> atom1: it's in dpkg-dev
[04:06:47] <atom1> http://paste.debian.net/134379/
[04:07:05] <seb_kuzminsky> atom1: well that all looks good
[04:07:40] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, let me try something here
[04:08:25] <cradek> don't forget john k
[04:08:31] <seb_kuzminsky> oh yeah!
[04:08:52] <seb_kuzminsky> he was helping the Tx/Rx hosts configure a few of their machines
[04:09:13] <seb_kuzminsky> one little tiny circuit board engraving machine, and one giant vertical mill with a tool changer
[04:09:23] <seb_kuzminsky> and cradek's little gantry-homing test machine
[04:09:30] <seb_kuzminsky> jmk's a wizard
[04:09:40] <atom1> where's he from?
[04:10:07] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/moveoff 92b7185 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/moveoff.comp moveoff.comp cleanups * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=92b7185
[04:10:07] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/moveoff fb9e2cf 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/moveoff.comp wip: next_state * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb9e2cf
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[04:11:59] <seb_kuzminsky> atom1: he's from the planet zarquon
[04:12:05] <seb_kuzminsky> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKwMcwfRuMw#t=110
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[04:16:42] <skunkworks> is dewey a bot that listens to irc and creates/improves hal components?
[04:17:02] <Tom_itx> heh
[04:17:08] <seb_kuzminsky> he definitely is the second part of that ;-)
[04:17:18] <seb_kuzminsky> doesnt spend much time on irc though
[04:17:24] <seb_kuzminsky> too busy coding, i suppose ;-)
[04:18:16] <atom1> i'll pick this up tomorrow...
[04:18:18] <atom1> gnite
[04:18:33] <skunkworks> night
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[04:19:19] <seb_kuzminsky> atom1, err, Tom_itx: what do you get from "pkg-config libmodbus --modversion"?
[04:19:24] <seb_kuzminsky> opos
[04:19:25] <seb_kuzminsky> oops
[04:20:53] <Tom_itx> oh crap... just shut it down
[04:21:13] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: there's something fishy going on, but i dont know what yet
[04:21:33] <Tom_itx> libmodbus shows 5 in package manager
[04:21:43] <seb_kuzminsky> that's fine
[04:22:20] <seb_kuzminsky> the package name is "libmodbus5", but the version is "3.0.3-1", right?
[04:22:32] <Tom_itx> i believe so yes
[04:22:45] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder why configure isn't seeing it
[04:23:03] <Tom_itx> it's on a ssd but i haven't had any problems with it
[04:23:29] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, that shouldnt matter
[04:24:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/moveoff a2a63b6 06linuxcnc moveoff.comp: merge local work-in-progress * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2a63b6
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[04:28:30] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: if you're worried about filesystem corruption, you can use "debsums libmodbus5 libmodbus-dev" to verify those packages
[04:30:24] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: i know you said you know about the build-dependency checking step, but
[04:30:38] <seb_kuzminsky> if you're missing pkg-config, that could explain the behavior you see
[04:31:35] <seb_kuzminsky> huh, i see now that we *don't* build-depend on pkg-config, even though we use it in configure...
[04:31:40] <seb_kuzminsky> that's kind of bogus
[04:31:57] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess we have been getting lucky and one of the libs we *do* build-depend on pulls it in
[04:33:33] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: would you humour me and paste the output of dpkg-checkbuilddeps next time you have your atom1 box up?
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[04:34:26] <seb_kuzminsky> on wheezy, tk8.5-dev pulls in pkg-config
[04:35:49] <seb_kuzminsky> as does libgtk2.0-dev
[04:35:52] <seb_kuzminsky> and maybe others
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[04:37:04] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: as per the outdated instructions here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Resolving_outstanding_build_dependencies
[04:37:14] <seb_kuzminsky> it's "configure uspace" now, not "configure sim"
[04:38:06] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess that means those building instructions should live in the git repo, so they can match the branch they're for, and be part of the asciidocs
[04:39:28] <KimK> I also noticed that when I did the updates, when I highlighted any of the stuff from LinuxCNC, it didn't do anything (i.e., say "this source does not support changelogs", or some such). On the other hand, highlighting the Debian items said "can't find information"(?) or something similar, so maybe it's a case of too many bugs at once, lol. Anyway, now you know.
[04:40:04] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[04:40:13] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not sure what i know now :-)
[04:40:22] <KimK> Ha
[04:40:39] <seb_kuzminsky> i know the buildbot and the deb archive at wlo do not support changelogs
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[04:42:25] <KimK> Speaking of buildbot, I noticed that there are four buildbot-related items in the software sources, two source and two binaries. I imagine that was your doing, any advice for us?
[04:43:04] <KimK> None were enabled by default
[04:43:21] <seb_kuzminsky> is this in an install from the binary.hybrid.iso? if so it's cradek's fault ;-)
[04:43:38] <seb_kuzminsky> it's deliberate and right that the buildbot deb-sources not be enabled by default
[04:43:50] <seb_kuzminsky> most users are better off just using the official releases from wlo
[04:43:51] <KimK> Yes, this is on the Wheezy/2.6 "hybrid ISO"
[04:44:08] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe there's one source for 2.6 and one for master? (and one for binary and one for source packages?)
[04:44:20] <KimK> That sounds right
[04:44:47] <Tom_itx> !bookmark..
[04:44:52] <Tom_itx> i'll check in the AM
[04:45:04] <KimK> It's probably a forehead-slapper, but what's wlo?
[04:45:12] <seb_kuzminsky> www.linuxcnc.org
[04:45:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm a lazy typer
[04:45:25] <KimK> Ha! OK
[04:46:08] <KimK> You could be even lazier: lo
[04:46:22] <KimK> Funny
[04:47:00] <KimK> What would somebody do with the buildbot sources though, if they were adventurous?
[04:47:06] <seb_kuzminsky> we sometimes refer to git.linuxcnc.org as glo"
[04:47:21] <seb_kuzminsky> so "lo" would be ambiguous
[04:47:26] <seb_kuzminsky> *even more ambiguous
[04:48:01] <seb_kuzminsky> KimK: you could "apt-get source linuxcnc" to fetch the source package and get exactly what we built the official binary package from
[04:48:30] * KimK puts "shoe" back on shelf so as to not make things even *more* ambiguous.
[04:49:02] <KimK> Oh, OK, well, I was thinking of the buildbot stuff specifically.
[04:49:06] <seb_kuzminsky> it was important before everyone switched to git, and it's probably important still for legal reasons i dont really understand
[04:49:24] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, i misunderstood your question
[04:49:38] <seb_kuzminsky> you're asking "what would a user do with the buildbot apt sources"
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[04:50:01] <KimK> Yes, exactly (even if not a typical user)
[04:50:05] <seb_kuzminsky> well, they could enable them to get binary packages of commits in between official releases
[04:50:50] <seb_kuzminsky> currently there latest 2.6 release is 2.6.4, but there have been 20 commits to the 2.6 branch since that release was made
[04:51:37] <KimK> So then "we" would be running at our homes the same buildbots that you're running?
[04:52:02] <seb_kuzminsky> those 20 actually includes some bugfixes, so i'm tardy in releasing 2.6.5...
[04:52:27] <seb_kuzminsky> but yeah, if a user enabled the buildbot source in their apt list, then they would get automatic updates of the linuxcnc package any time a new commit goes into 2.6
[04:52:40] <seb_kuzminsky> sometimes that's good (like when a bug is fixed or documentation is improved)
[04:52:56] <seb_kuzminsky> sometimes (hopefully rarely) that's bad (like when a new bug gets introduced)
[04:53:23] <KimK> Ha, please take your time releasing 2.6.5, if 2.7 is in the wings, let's make the "last"(?) 2.6 a good one.
[04:53:56] <seb_kuzminsky> i intend to keep supporting 2.6 with bugfix releases for a while after 2.7.0 is released, so there's some overlap for folks who are slow in upgrading
[04:54:06] <seb_kuzminsky> 2.7's a ways out still...
[04:54:15] <KimK> That's great, thanks.
[04:54:46] <seb_kuzminsky> sure :)
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[05:07:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 3da6a61 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/user_comps/gs2_vfd.c gs2_vfd: accept -g to turn on debug output * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=3da6a61
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[05:54:18] <seb_kuzminsky> micges: i'm uncertain about commit 37068c76 in 2.6
[05:55:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i bet it's right, but it seems wrong to change the default parallel port address in 2.6
[05:55:26] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd prefer to see 2.6 restored to it's previous behavior, and this change go into 2.7
[05:59:03] <seb_kuzminsky> wow, well there's the debian fork over the systemd issue: https://devuan.org/
[05:59:14] <seb_kuzminsky> that's enough open source for me for tonight
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[10:03:59] <atom1> seb_kuzminsky, tom@atom1:~/linuxcnc-dev$ dpkg-checkbuilddeps
[10:04:01] <atom1> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: cannot read debian/control: No such file or directory
[10:04:23] <atom1> i'm getting all sorts of other errors after that as well
[10:04:38] <atom1> configure: error: GTK2 missing. Install it or specify --disable-gtk to skip the parts of LinuxCNC that depend on GTK
[10:04:42] <atom1> for one
[10:05:58] <atom1> configure: error: tk lib not found
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[10:06:48] <Tom_itx> i'm calling it on this one for now.
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[12:05:59] <jthornton> what are you trying to install?
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[12:13:21] <Tom_itx> 2.7 on a wheezy iso install
[12:14:08] <Tom_itx> it worked ok on ubuntu 10.04
[12:14:28] <Tom_itx> so i pulled out the ssd to try it on wheezy and had nothing but trouble
[12:17:16] <jthornton> yea me too, I tried dgarr/moveoff branch on wheezy with nothing but problems
[12:17:48] <Tom_itx> i'm pretty sure they strip it down for efficiency but...
[12:17:56] <Tom_itx> all sorts of packages missing
[12:18:03] <Tom_itx> alot of gnome stuff
[12:18:08] <Tom_itx> seemed like
[12:19:21] <Tom_itx> seb_kuzminsky's suggestions got it further along though
[12:19:58] <Tom_itx> 17°F
[12:20:30] <Tom_itx> from 60+ a couple days ago
[12:22:08] <jthornton> I just tested moveoff in hardy and it works YEA
[12:22:15] <Tom_itx> nice
[12:22:25] <Tom_itx> i've been waiting for that
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[12:26:35] <Tom_itx> that and the TP sound like a couple nice improvements
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[12:35:03] <jthornton> I finally found the output for Z it's mv.plusoffset-2
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[12:45:30] <jthornton> nice when you have an offset the pause button has a red slash and won't unpause
[12:46:15] <Tom_itx> how do you return it to it's original point?
[12:46:49] <jthornton> a dialog pops up and you can use + or - buttons to move the axis and when your close hit the zero button
[12:47:23] <Tom_itx> multiple axis?
[12:47:49] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/moveoff 88ad4dc 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/axis/moveoff/moveoff.hal 10src/hal/components/moveoff.comp moveoff.comp: fix name for pos-plusoffset-M * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=88ad4dc
[12:47:49] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/moveoff 578176f 06linuxcnc 10scripts/moveoff_gui moveoff_gui detect waypoint_limit and show * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=578176f
[12:49:05] <Tom_itx> even as we speak!
[12:49:15] <Tom_itx> later...
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[14:28:25] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: so you *dont* have the build dependencies installed, just like the configure script says
[14:28:45] <seb_kuzminsky> the live CD is optimized for users, not developers
[14:29:03] <seb_kuzminsky> users need to install the build dependencies before they can do non-user things like build different branches
[14:29:55] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: did you see the instructions i linked above? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Installing_LinuxCNC#Resolving_outstanding_build_dependencies
[14:30:43] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: awesome!
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[14:46:51] <seb_kuzminsky> JT-Shop: did you get dgarr's moveoff built successfully? or are you still running into problems?
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[14:49:25] <JT-Shop> seb_kuzminsky, I tested it on 10.04 this morning but have not tested it on wheezy since the other day
[14:50:11] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[14:50:37] <JT-Shop> last time I tried to do a RIP on wheezy it gave me errors
[14:50:54] <seb_kuzminsky> was it the same kind of configure-time missing-dependency problems that Tom_itx was having?
[14:51:23] <JT-Shop> IIRC I resolved that
[14:51:28] <seb_kuzminsky> oh good
[14:52:18] <JT-Shop> checking for library containing Tcl_Init... no
[14:52:18] <JT-Shop> configure: error: tcl lib not found
[14:52:26] <JT-Shop> this is where I'm at now
[14:52:48] <seb_kuzminsky> sounds like a missing tclNumber.Number-dev
[14:53:10] <seb_kuzminsky> that dpkg-checkbuilddeps trick i linked Tom_itx above should fix it, if so
[14:55:18] <JT-Shop> logger[mah], log
[14:55:18] <logger[mah]> JT-Shop: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc-devel/2014-12-01.html
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[15:32:00] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build_: force build --branch=2.6
[15:32:00] <linuxcnc-build_> you must provide a Builder, try 'force build [--branch=BRANCH] [--revision=REVISION] [--props=PROP1=VAL1,PROP2=VAL2...] <WHICH> <REASON>'
[15:32:04] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build_: force build --branch=2.6 0000.checkin
[15:32:05] <linuxcnc-build_> build forced [ETA 1h13m21s]
[15:32:05] <linuxcnc-build_> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[15:32:16] <cradek> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20141127.212941.f55acc3a.en.html
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[15:35:08] <pcw_home> seb_kuzminsky the paralle port issue is not serious but the second default address of 0x3F8 is totaly bogus (thats a COM1 port address)
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[15:41:41] <skunkworks> Think we are leaning towards retro on the mazak.
[15:42:13] <skunkworks> But things work 'enough' that I think we can figure out how things work.
[15:42:41] <skunkworks> The one issue is - it looks like X and Y have resolvers - spindle has an encoder.
[15:42:44] <pcw_home> (you can only get the bogus address used if you include 2 firmwares but no port addresses or various typos that confuse the config line parser)
[15:43:56] <skunkworks> Hope to reuse the spindle vfd - (spindle does jog)
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[15:45:02] <skunkworks> pcw_home, I suppose the resolver interface doesn't have any encoder counters?
[15:45:53] <pcw_home> Nope but you can of course ass a dauightercard that has encoders
[15:46:01] <skunkworks> sure
[15:46:15] <pcw_home> sorry . _add_ a daughtercard
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[15:46:17] <skunkworks> heh
[15:46:48] <pcw_home> fingers not awake
[15:46:50] <skunkworks> looks from the documentation that they have been chasing a X axis issue.
[15:47:43] <skunkworks> lots of pot turning it seems which makes me think there was an issue they where missing. (even looks like they replaced the resolver and leadscre...)
[15:47:47] <pcw_home> you can hope that is issue is above the drives/resolvers
[15:48:33] <pcw_home> are these DC drives?
[15:48:36] <skunkworks> we will probably replace the drives - we have a bunch of amc's
[15:48:49] <skunkworks> yes - brushed servo.
[15:48:59] <skunkworks> 1kw I think is the Z
[15:49:06] <skunkworks> X is less.
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[15:51:41] <pcw_home> If you are replacing drives there's not much left to cause trouble
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[15:55:54] <PetefromTn_> skunkworks Man that sounds like a big project. Sorry to hear the mazak is not going to work as you bought it. BUt at least you can make it possibly even better now ;)
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[15:59:09] <skunkworks> we got it for 2K - we never assumed the original control was going to stay...
[15:59:26] <skunkworks> Plus having all the machines running linuxcnc helps dad.
[15:59:27] <PetefromTn_> sounds like my Cincinatti heh
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[16:00:50] <skunkworks> The turret rotates.. spindle jogs.. axis moves..
[16:01:05] <PetefromTn_> sweet,
[16:01:06] <skunkworks> All the stuff we need seems to work.
[16:01:23] <PetefromTn_> my machine actually worked when I got it after I reset the firmware
[16:01:40] <PetefromTn_> but then it started blowing expensive boards so I bailed on the original electronics
[16:04:44] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: i realize the bogosity of second default parport address
[16:05:11] <seb_kuzminsky> it's very unlikely that anyone is using it and having it work
[16:06:28] <seb_kuzminsky> but even so i dont want to change defaults in the middle of a stable branch
[16:06:41] <seb_kuzminsky> the change is welcome in 2.7
[16:07:15] <seb_kuzminsky> i can move it or micges can if you prefer
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[16:14:45] <pcw_home> On a PC its is impossible for 0x3F8 to ever have worked, so its a bug
[16:16:25] <pcw_home> (though a very difficult to invoke and easy to work around bug)
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[16:23:40] <linuxcnc-build_> Hey! build 0000.checkin #2729 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[16:23:40] <linuxcnc-build_> Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/2729
[16:31:43] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build_: force build --branch=2.6 0000.checkin
[16:31:45] <linuxcnc-build_> build forced [ETA 1h02m28s]
[16:31:46] <linuxcnc-build_> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[16:32:50] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: on a pc with 2 parallel ports and 0 serial ports, i think 0x3f8 could be used for a parport, no?
[16:33:58] <jepler> Today it might be best to say 0,1
[16:34:05] <jepler> linux parport numbers, not I/O port numbers
[16:35:26] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm
[16:36:31] <kwallace2> The motherboard parallel port address can usually be set to one of the common defaults in BIOS?
[16:36:37] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: the 7i43 driver does ins and outs by hand, using the ioaddr the user supplies (or the default)
[16:36:47] <seb_kuzminsky> it does not go through a linux driver
[16:38:05] <pcw_home> seb_kuzminsky 0x3F8 is never used for parallel ports
[16:39:04] <pcw_home> Motherboard ports are 0x378, 0x278, 0x3BC, PCI can be anywhere buts is almost always above 0x1000
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[16:40:32] <kwallace2> Ah 3F8 = serial port
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[16:41:24] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: if you pass hal_parport_get a 'base' address < 16, it finds the base'th linux parport and claims it. it populates the 'port' out argument with linux's actual base address; additionally, if the base_hi parameter is 0, it populates port->base_hi with linux's idea of the port's high I/O address too
[16:42:13] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: so as long as hm2_7i43 takes care to use port.base and port.base_hi, it should work in rtai and uspace to use linux port numbering rather than I/O addresses
[16:42:56] <jepler> this should go for all drivers that use hal_parport APIs, which is all the in-tree ones
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[16:44:50] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, i see
[16:46:54] <jepler> now the problem that might arise if you did use 0,1 is: hal_parport_get will return -errno if there's no port 1, making hm2_7i43_setup return -errno, causing the whole driver to not load
[16:47:10] <jepler> ah but you'd only hit that if you had two config strings defined
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[17:11:12] <JT-Shop> seb_kuzminsky, got moveoff working on wheezy
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[17:14:47] <seb_kuzminsky> oh good
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[17:35:11] <cradek> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTg1MTM
[17:35:25] <cradek> I really should try coreboot on something
[17:35:46] <cradek> fwiw, I see this board has pci slots and a parport
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[17:40:02] <pcw_home> thats a LGA775 MB?
[17:42:11] <pcw_home> No I see its LGA1155 MB
[17:48:44] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: that looks pretty sweet
[17:49:31] <seb_kuzminsky> matt shaver initially had trouble with that board, but i think he got it working with lucid/rtai: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.devel/9246
[17:51:03] <seb_kuzminsky> has anyone heard from matt lately? i haven't...
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[17:54:32] <pcw_home> intel desktop pinout chronology is something like 775, 1155, 1150, 2011 (dont know if 2011 is only for high end chips)
[17:54:33] <pcw_home> I havent heard from Matt for several months
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[18:03:13] <linuxcnc-build_> Hey! build 0000.checkin #2730 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[18:03:13] <linuxcnc-build_> Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/2730
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[18:51:11] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.6 2000.docs
[18:51:12] <linuxcnc-build> build #2207 forced
[18:51:12] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[19:00:03] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build 2000.docs #2207 is complete: Warnings [8warnings compile]
[19:00:04] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/2000.docs/builds/2207
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[19:03:55] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.6 2000.docs
[19:03:56] <linuxcnc-build> build #2208 forced
[19:03:56] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[19:12:20] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build 2000.docs #2208 is complete: Warnings [8warnings compile]
[19:12:20] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/2000.docs/builds/2208
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[19:16:50] <seb_kuzminsky> ok whew
[19:17:24] <seb_kuzminsky> the buildmaster resets its umask to 002, which messes up the permissions on all the files and directories it creates
[19:18:06] <seb_kuzminsky> such as the docs dirs at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/doc
[19:18:32] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess it's not that often that a buildmaster creates files, that's usually done by the slaves
[19:18:46] <seb_kuzminsky> and buildbot lets you control the umask the slaves use, but not the master
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[19:54:33] <skunkworks> If I have the 7i80 - how could i hook up the 7i74 easy?
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[19:56:02] <skunkworks> I am thinking of replacing the resolvers with encoders.. (sorry andy...) so that means the 7i48.
[19:57:29] <micges> skunkworks: you must have 7i80HD to connect 7i48 and 7i80DB to connect 7i74
[19:57:48] <skunkworks> I have the HD.
[19:59:02] <micges> so directly 7i48 and 7i74 through HD-DB ADAPTER
[19:59:20] <micges> and custom firmware
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[20:00:32] <skunkworks> or a 7i44...
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[20:00:55] <micges> yes
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[20:04:15] <skunkworks> wow - mesa has a lot of boards..
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[20:06:22] <micges> what do you need?
[20:06:45] <CaptHindsight> I wonder how they sell them without having cute names like cape, shield, trenchcoat, etc etc?
[20:09:58] <skunkworks> I have the 7i80hd. I need atleast 3 analog outputs - 6 would be better. (hence the 7i48). I would like to use most of the other to plugs for opto22 boards. (and also use the 7i73 some how)
[20:11:10] <skunkworks> (so 48ish i/o - we have the 24 plug opto22 boards and like how they work)
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[20:12:22] <skunkworks> We like to stay with the HD style 50 pin setup because that is what is in the K&T for trouble shooting
[20:16:19] <skunkworks> I could use one plug for the 7i44 I suppose.. (that would be alot of expantion..) I don't think 24 pins of I/O will be enough..
[20:17:25] <micges> use 7i84 for io
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[20:18:10] <micges> 7i80->7i74->7i84,7i73
[20:18:19] <micges> and 7i48 on second hd
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[20:26:37] <skunkworks> hmm the 7i69 would work to..
[20:27:34] <skunkworks> and they are in stock..
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[20:32:26] <skunkworks> wow - that is inexpensive for what you get..
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[20:38:51] <cradek> oh hell, we're going to argue about goto again
[20:39:54] <skunkworks> heh
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[20:53:51] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe we'll get lucky & they'll argue about turtle graphics instead
[20:54:46] <cradek> I'm going to argue strongly that it's wrong to have strong feelings about whether or not gcode has goto
[20:55:34] <cradek> oh gross, then there's stuart
[20:56:07] <skunkworks> /me shakes his head....
[20:56:11] <skunkworks> heh
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[21:02:48] <bjmorel_work> Anything to distract me from buying something I don't need because of these damn cyber Monday deals.
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[21:10:27] <seb_kuzminsky> i want to buy one of those coreboot/maybe-linuxcnc motherboards cradek linked...
[21:16:45] <CaptHindsight> I don't know what comments they leave in the intel coreboot code but unless the dev tweaked the settings performance with RTAI might be worse with coreboot
[21:17:12] <CaptHindsight> with AMD you can get most of the register docs
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[21:32:22] <seb_kuzminsky> huh, if you miss when you type "git" you get "fur"
[21:33:04] <Tom_itx> or hoy
[21:33:14] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[21:33:25] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna work on that this evening
[21:33:44] <CaptHindsight> I guess i should learn to type one of these days (and other words)
[21:33:56] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: your 2.7 build on wheezy?
[21:34:00] <Tom_itx> yes
[21:34:08] <Tom_itx> i saw the link.. going thru it
[21:34:25] <Tom_itx> it's more just an exercise
[21:34:25] <seb_kuzminsky> cool, i bet it's something simple, we know it works fine in the buildbot and on other peoples' machines
[21:34:38] <Tom_itx> i realize the iso is crippled..
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[21:43:51] <seb_kuzminsky> Tom_itx: i disagree, it's optimized for a different use case than what you are doing
[21:44:00] <seb_kuzminsky> it's well suited to that use case
[21:45:57] <PCW> skunkworks: a 7I90 will work for OPTO-22 expansion (like a 3 connector 7I69)
[21:46:42] <Tom_itx> seb_kuzminsky i realize that
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[21:58:39] <Tom_itx> seb_kuzminsky, that's kinda what i meant to say :)
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[22:01:39] <PCW> this little script works for me for building master on a virgin ISO:
[22:01:41] <PCW> http://pastecode.org/index.php/view/87690064
[22:01:42] <PCW> (well for uspace)
[22:03:38] <seb_kuzminsky> PCW: that looks about like what i do
[22:04:03] <seb_kuzminsky> you shouldn't need to apt-get libudev-dev, that should be in the build-dep list for linuxcnc (unless we forgot to add it)
[22:04:21] <seb_kuzminsky> also, right after 'git clone', the 'git pull' is not necessary
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[22:05:27] <PCW> Yeah nor checkout master
[22:05:29] <PCW> the udev stuff was needed and missing at one time
[22:05:37] <Tom_itx> PCW is that for wheezy?
[22:05:44] <PCW> Yes
[22:06:06] <seb_kuzminsky> it should be the same on wheezy, lucid, and precise
[22:08:12] <PCW> (Other than the kernel, I assume the preemt-RT kernel is Wheezy only)
[22:09:04] <PCW> probably also needs some grub foo to add the new kernel to the list
[22:09:26] <PCW> (unless install does that)
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[22:12:38] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, good point, the rt-preempt kernel is only available on wheezy
[22:15:33] <Tom_itx> i may start again with the iso just to clear any mess i made along the way
[22:16:06] <Tom_itx> it's going on a spare drive anyway
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[22:21:40] <Tom_itx> PCW what does the --with-realtime=uspace do ?
[22:22:43] <Connor> Tom_itx: makes it so that you can run it on a non-realtime kernel I think.
[22:24:24] <seb_kuzminsky> Connor: that's right
[22:24:31] <Tom_itx> thanks
[22:24:37] <Connor> WooT I got something right! :)
[22:24:41] <Tom_itx> heh
[22:24:58] <seb_kuzminsky> it configures linuxcnc to build so it can run on an rt-preempt kernel or a "vanilla" kernel without any realtime extensions
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[22:48:37] <skunkworks> PCW, Oh - the 7i90 could be setup as a smart serial device?
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[23:03:22] <skunkworks> I don't know if I need all the i/o. Just a feeling. the 6i69 seems cool because I could have opto22 panels in 2 different locations. I doubt if I need more than 72 i/o...
[23:04:16] <skunkworks> (on 50 pin on the 7i80 and 2 on the 6i90
[23:04:22] <PCW> Yeah the 7I90 has 4 modes
[23:04:58] <PCW> EPP/SPI/Serial/SSerial-remote)
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[23:05:28] <skunkworks> *7i69
[23:06:27] <PCW> the 7I69 has somewhat smarter firmware that the 7I90 in ssremote mode and allows bit reversed OPTO 22 I/O to match the IO module rack numbering
[23:08:14] <PCW> I may add that feature to the 7I90 if I develop enough ambition
[23:08:31] <skunkworks> neat
[23:09:47] <PCW> probably have to add bitreverse hardware or instruction
[23:10:06] <skunkworks> we will look - but it may be just as easy to swap to encoder.. (even though I like resolvers) The spindle has an encoder and the 2 axis have resolvers.
[23:11:19] <skunkworks> Plus then we have another 7i48 for troubleshooting
[23:13:14] <PCW> if you plan to use OPTO-22 I/O and 2 connectors (48 I/O) is enough then just use the 7I80 I/O directly
[23:13:33] <PCW> (assuming you change to encoders)
[23:17:35] <skunkworks> I wanted to use the remote panel.. which is 422..
[23:18:19] <skunkworks> 7i74
[23:18:27] <skunkworks> so I need some way to do smart serial
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[23:20:04] <skunkworks> so the 7i44 takes up one connector
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[23:21:11] <skunkworks> so - 7i44 -> 7i74
[23:21:13] <skunkworks> |-> 7i69
[23:27:00] <skunkworks> if that makes sense
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