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[03:41:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/moveoff d10598a 06linuxcnc 10(6 files in 2 dirs) moveoff.comp: add demo2 with a simple gui * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d10598a
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[06:44:08] <cmorley> So ran across 'gitit' program - curious could that be used to make HTML / pdf docs from a wiki page?
[06:45:00] <cmorley> Thinking a user could make / edit a page and then send a pull request to us for possible inclusion...
[06:45:45] <cmorley> Anything to get more people to help documenting.... it's tedious :)
[06:45:49] <cmorley> night
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[13:09:37] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/moveoff 4d9eaae 06linuxcnc 10configs/sim/axis/moveoff/moveoff_gui.tcl 10src/hal/components/moveoff.comp moveoff.comp: disable offsets when resume detected * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d9eaae
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[15:02:26] <seb_kuzminsky> i just ran dgarr's moveoff sim config, it looks like a promising start
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[15:04:16] <seb_kuzminsky> nice, "moveoff.com: ERROR: Program resumed before offsets removed"
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[15:05:40] <skunkworks> heh - I was just compiling it..
[15:05:52] <dgarr> dgarr/moveoff demo2
http://youtu.be/8QGOj39I-kk i have to go but will read back if there are comments
[15:05:56] <dgarr> bbl
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[15:09:14] <jepler> .com ?
[15:11:22] <skunkworks> comp...
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[15:18:21] <seb_kuzminsky> p
[15:21:40] <seb_kuzminsky> we're gonna get confused emails about the DRO not changing, but what can you do
[15:21:53] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: please pute moveoff in the 2.7 branch
[15:22:08] <skunkworks> heh
[15:28:52] <skunkworks> the axis preview needs an offset input... ')
[15:28:55] <skunkworks> ;)
[15:29:45] <cradek> having the programmed position and offset displayed separately actually feels kind of featurey to me
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[15:30:17] <cradek> because that's really how you think about them
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[15:32:34] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, i can see that point
[15:32:54] <skunkworks> the only issue I see is it will screw with your softlimits..
[15:33:53] <cradek> it's true
[15:34:11] <cradek> but I think it's probably ok
[15:34:34] <skunkworks> it will only come into play with really small travel machines probably...
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[15:59:49] <skunkworks> Dad found out on the matsura when feed hold is on - you can turn the jog wheel - the numbers move on the screen but the physical axis doesn't..
[16:00:08] <skunkworks> feature by design?
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[17:32:45] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 9c2171b 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/index.tmpl docs: minor reorg in the html index * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c2171b
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[18:07:10] <jthornton> I got an error on 10.04 with moveoff and have notified dgarr
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[22:36:18] <seb_kuzminsky> oops, i hope dgarr doesn't mind that i've been talking about his new "offset-while-paused" feature in public
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[22:47:31] <Tom_itx> too late now
[22:49:59] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah :-/
[22:50:13] <seb_kuzminsky> well he *did* push it to a public repo, and upload a demo to youtube
[22:50:27] <seb_kuzminsky> and folks were talking about it on the list, so... i think its ok
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[22:55:37] <tjtr33> i've used the offset comp and an analog voltage to move during a pause, and have a comp that reduces the offset till it's 0. does dgarr come in here?
[22:56:30] <tjtr33> i think you could just manually get close and push the 'getBackHomeLoretta' button and then continue
[22:56:44] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr's moveoff trick is a hal component that gets inserted just before the joint controller
[22:57:00] <seb_kuzminsky> while motion is paused, you can add an arbitrary offset to each joint
[22:57:27] <seb_kuzminsky> the joint moves according to these offsets you introduce (while obeying vel & acc limits)
[22:57:51] <seb_kuzminsky> when you want to resume you undo the offsets (or click the button that asks moveoff to undo them for you), then unpause the program
[22:58:15] <tjtr33> i dont prescribe the offset, i just jog, then redcue to 0 before returning control to Linuxcnc. i watched the demo. does he come in here?
[22:58:22] <tjtr33> reduce
[22:58:28] <seb_kuzminsky> things like spindle control, coolant, etc all respond as normal
[22:58:36] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr comes to this irc channel occasionally
[22:58:45] <tjtr33> ok thanks!
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[23:01:11] <tjtr33> scusa, where is this public repo withhis code?
[23:03:14] <seb_kuzminsky> it's the dgarr/moveoff branch at git.linuxcnc.org
[23:03:43] <seb_kuzminsky> when i checked this morning it had a slightly older version of the code than what's in the demo video, but maybe he's updated it
[23:04:08] <seb_kuzminsky> it might be best to wait until he announces it to try it out? he's not actually asked for beta-testers yet....
[23:04:22] <tjtr33> again thanks ( ima in Wheat Rdige next Tuesday :)
[23:04:53] <tjtr33> I'd like to offer what I've bult and used to Dewey et al
[23:05:25] <tjtr33> no need to use it for edm like me, no need for analog voltage
[23:07:14] <tjtr33> ok, browsing the branch now, thx
[23:08:17] <tjtr33> wow a tickle gui too
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[23:15:59] <tjtr33> hmm i dont see the moveoff comp itself in linuxcnc.git /configs /sim /axis/moveoff/ i see a hal file that loadrt's it, but not the comp code itself
[23:17:05] <tjtr33> ah linuxcnc.git] / src / hal / components / moveoff.comp
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[23:22:57] <tjtr33> he unlinks a std cfg, & grafts in the new comp, very nice!
[23:23:25] <tjtr33> so velocity and acc are controlled as normal. I gotta build it to prove to myself if it moves at jog or F rates.
[23:23:40] <tjtr33> nice work Mr Garret!
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[23:28:01] <andypugh> I can see that HAL is one way to do Jog-while-paused, but it doesn’t seem to me to be the “right” way.
[23:28:48] <tjtr33> instead of entering an offset, i had a very small unit of change ( say .0001") and i added that to the offset while a btn was held.
[23:29:00] <andypugh> I imagine it can be made to look very similar with jogwheels paralleled to both normal jog and jwp component, but I assume that it can’t be made to follow keyboard jogs?
[23:29:29] <tjtr33> I kept track of the offset and reduced that towards 0 with another btn. as many buttons and axis as you like.
[23:31:08] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: i agree, this is a quick way to get jwp-like behavior without adding anothe rlayer of hackery to Task
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[23:35:45] <andypugh> Because the intention is to do something cleverer with Task? Why is Task hackery deprecated?
[23:36:16] <seb_kuzminsky> task is a bit of a mess
[23:36:49] <seb_kuzminsky> it's gotten quite brittle, it's hard to add new features to task without breaking some of the old features
[23:37:01] <andypugh> I have thought for quite a while that an external offset pin for each axis would be useful at times, one that gets applied inside the axis limits.
[23:37:25] <andypugh> I guess without that the new JWP component will be joint-jogging not axis jogging?
[23:37:44] <seb_kuzminsky> for example, the addition of mdi queueing introduced a bug in state signalling that went hidden for over a year, and took serendipity to discover and a week of debugging to fix
[23:38:02] <seb_kuzminsky> yes, it operates on joints, not axes
[23:38:42] <andypugh> So not really compatible with the JA concept?
[23:39:03] <seb_kuzminsky> so i'm reluctant to make or encourage any large changes to task, because i'm not confident that we could do it without breaking stuff
[23:39:36] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not sure what you mean... dgarr/moveoff and JA are independent
[23:40:03] <andypugh> I was talking of the “concept” of joints and axes being different.
[23:40:54] <seb_kuzminsky> to do jwp in the best way we'd want to tie it in with the existing jog machinery, and then presumably we'd be able to do jwp in joint mode or world mode, just like we can with jog-while-not-paused today
[23:41:23] <andypugh> My worry is that the jwp component means that that won’t get done.
[23:41:40] <seb_kuzminsky> well that may be...
[23:41:56] <andypugh> I know I actually suggested a component for the job, but I have gone off the idea.
[23:42:19] <seb_kuzminsky> but i'd rather have something that fixes a percieved problem for our users with minimal risk, rather than do a high-risk change or to wait for the task cleanup
[23:43:01] <seb_kuzminsky> i think dgarr's 90%-solution to the jwp problem, using a comp between motion and the joint controller, is a great interim solution
[23:43:27] <seb_kuzminsky> part of why i'm working on lui is that it paves the way for the task cleanup in the future
[23:44:21] * seb_kuzminsky shrugs
[23:44:22] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl!
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