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[00:07:34] <seb_kuzminsky> finally winter! :-)
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[00:24:39] <skunkworks_> north of us got hit..
[00:25:01] <skunkworks_> we may get a inch but that probably won't happen
[00:25:58] <seb_kuzminsky> they're predicting lots of cold but little snow here
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[01:41:53] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: it would matter to a small proportion of developers, and they can just install asciidoc. so no, it's not a requirement to preserve this property.
[01:42:23] <jepler> while we're changing everything, somebody should make halcompile also generate docs via asciidoc (enabled by a new directive, since existing components contain manpage markup)
[01:43:54] <seb_kuzminsky> ok that makes sense to me (except the halcompile part)
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[02:22:44] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: just so long as manpages are the (an) output of the liblinuxcnc-ui build process
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[02:32:58] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: like this?
[02:33:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05liblinuxcnc-ui-asciidoc-manpage 6ae18db 06linuxcnc 03docs/man/man3/lui_free.3lui 03docs/man/man3/lui_new.3lui roff manpages for lui_new and lui_free * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ae18db
[02:33:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05liblinuxcnc-ui-asciidoc-manpage fe08e6b 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/Submakefile 03docs/src/man/man3/lui_connect.3lui.txt docs: build manpages from asciidoc source * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fe08e6b
[02:34:24] <seb_kuzminsky> look at
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=docs/man/man3/lui_new.3lui;h=682fbf54c9d4cb003e963f49fa2742ac7a3afa5d;hb=refs/heads/liblinuxcnc-ui-asciidoc-manpage
[02:34:40] <seb_kuzminsky> then look at
http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=docs/src/man/man3/lui_connect.3lui.txt;h=d733d8b1ce6013cb98ce5e5c72b990826d778cb2;hb=refs/heads/liblinuxcnc-ui-asciidoc-manpage
[02:34:47] <seb_kuzminsky> and breathe a sigh of relief
[02:34:50] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[02:39:11] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: something like that. I didn't test the patch, but there's stuff like making sure the manpage gets into the html documentation in the right spot (though if it's with asciidoc->html and not asciidoc->manpage->html that's fine) and maybe/maybe not into the pdf of all the manpages
[02:39:31] <jepler> and you're right, changing halcompile is a different topic
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[02:58:37] <linuxcnc-build_> build #825 of 1405.rip-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1405.rip-wheezy-armhf/builds/825 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[03:08:42] <linuxcnc-build_> build #2649 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/2649 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[03:14:10] <seb_kuzminsky> huh, that's a funny failure
[03:14:26] <seb_kuzminsky> where did the mdi command go?
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[04:19:41] <skunkworks_> looks like psha.org is back up.. (for those looking for camview-emc
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[15:17:47] <CaptHindsight> http://psha.org.ru/ or you end up at the Pennsylvania Speech-Language-Hearing Association website
[15:18:19] <skunkworks> heh
[15:18:22] <skunkworks> thanks
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[15:45:32] <skunkworks> pcw_home, what where you looking at with latency>
[15:46:14] <pcw_home> The J1800-D2H on RTAI
[15:47:20] <pcw_home> or are you asking about my general distrust of the latency test...
[15:49:12] <archivist> I agree with the distrust
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[15:49:55] <archivist> I did spend some time reviewing it and think it needs some fixing
[15:56:10] <pcw_home> I think it gives quite optimistic timing on the servo thread mainly (its shows say 8-10 us on a D525, but a D525 has up to 75 random usec delays in the
[15:56:11] <pcw_home> worst linuxcnc functions (maybe ones the are delayed by hardware resources being blocked or memory/caching issues)
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[15:58:19] <pcw_home> you can get an idea of the magnitude of this by plotting function times (and looking at tmax'es)
[15:58:21] <pcw_home> (some tmaxes need to be reset before you start since they seem to have large startup delays_
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[16:13:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05liblinuxcnc-ui c92f0d2 06linuxcnc 10tests/halui/jogging/test-ui.py 10tests/halui/mdi/test-ui.py halui tests: better logging * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=c92f0d2
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[16:33:33] <skunkworks> pcw_home, not moving the mouse..
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/Screenshot%20-%2011112014%20-%2006:32:21%20PM.png
[16:33:50] <skunkworks> moving the mouse.
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/Screenshot%20-%2011112014%20-%2006:32:56%20PM.png
[16:34:58] <pcw_home> Yeah, the 10 Hz Axis update rate is pretty cleary visible :-)
[16:36:15] <pcw_home> same thing happens with RTAI...
[16:36:58] <skunkworks> so 325k at 2ghz.. what is that?
[16:37:54] <pcw_home> 160 usec?
[16:38:30] <skunkworks> that seems really good
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[16:39:51] <skunkworks> from what I have seen...
[16:40:00] <pcw_home> eventually it will get higher (flash videos seem to be the worst)
[16:40:49] <skunkworks> I can reset tmax and see what it creeps up to.
[16:41:00] <skunkworks> running a gcode loop
[16:41:27] <pcw_home> the write tmax seems to get set high when starting
[16:42:29] <pcw_home> but try on RTAI and mesa PCI or parallel port, you will see the same thing (shorter times but same spikes)
[16:43:35] <pcw_home> best Ive seen so far for Ethernet is a fast CPU, but J1800,1900 are fine at 1 KHz
[16:44:42] <pcw_home> +DPLL to take the sampling jitter out of the position loop
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[16:49:30] <pcw_home> did you try the DPLL yet?
[16:50:11] <skunkworks> without reseting it - it is at 399k
[16:50:13] <skunkworks> no
[16:50:52] <pcw_home> it reduces the stepgen FE by a factor of at least 10
[16:50:55] <skunkworks> wrie is at 35k
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[16:51:32] <skunkworks> I am running the J1900 right now at 2khz
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[17:33:23] <mozmck> what brand of board is that skunkworks?
[17:33:54] <skunkworks> gigabyte J1900n-D3v
[17:34:11] <skunkworks> it is a quad core with 1 pc1 and 2 nics
[17:34:44] <mozmck> ok, thanks! Is that one that you had to update the BIOS to get linux to boot?
[17:34:56] <skunkworks> I don't remember...
[17:35:12] <mozmck> ok
[17:35:18] <pcw_home> I did on mine (to V3)
[17:35:37] <pcw_home> (but mine is a Gigabyte D2H)
[17:35:38] <mozmck> ah, ok. Is there a different brand that is better?
[17:36:11] <pcw_home> My ASrock J1900 booted linux without issue
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[17:40:23] <pcw_home> this one looks pretty good if you want more than one PCI slot:
[17:40:24] <pcw_home> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157565&cm_re=j1900-_-13-157-565-_-Product
[17:40:44] <CaptHindsight> heh Flash videos, the real time killer
[17:41:19] <pcw_home> yeah, they are the worst thing I have found so far
[17:58:44] <kwallace3> Good morning. I'm looking at some servos on eBay, such as: 111484598705 . My problem is that a common option, R2 is a resolver primary encoder instead of a hall encoder. See page label 25 and 32 here:
http://www.kollmorgen.com/en-us/products/motors/servo/serviced-motors/r-series-pac-sci-/_literature/servo_motor_selection_guide_en-en_2003.pdf/ which says R2 = "frameless resolver". Can the Mesa or Pico resolver adapters be used with this kind of
[18:04:22] <kwallace3> ... It looks like frameless has to do with a mechanical configuration rather than electrical?
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[18:15:45] <CaptHindsight> yes, no mechanical frame
[18:16:34] <kwallace3> http://www.kollmorgen.com/en-us/products/motors/direct_drive/serviced_motors/_application_notes/frameless_brushless_motor_installation_en-us.pdf/
[18:24:03] <pcw_home> heres a bunch of pretty big servos:
[18:24:05] <pcw_home> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-7x-GE-Fanuc-AC-Servo-Motor-w-Heidenhain-Interpolation-Digitizing-Fan-/201211973364?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ed92b0ef4
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[18:35:19] <kwallace3> I have a Pac Sci R46 I got a few years back on eBay just because it was cheap. I noticed that it has the same NEMA 42 mount as my Shizuoka steppers, so I'm thinking I might be able to find two more servos to replace the steppers. They have to be NEMA 42 and direct drive because the motor passes partially into a cutout in the table base at the -X limit.
[18:36:03] <kwallace3> oops, +X limit.
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[18:39:09] <kwallace3> The R46 I have has the Hall encoder, so should be easy to drive. Then I need to add a quadrature encoder for position in the same 4.2 inch square.
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[18:41:20] <pcw_home> you probably want 8 pole or more if you are direct driving the ballscrews
[18:41:53] <pcw_home> dont like those 7HP Fanucs?
[18:42:51] <pcw_home> (those are 41A cont so a about a 175A drive needed...)
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[18:49:04] <kwallace3> The Fanucs are about 5 HP too big. My other option, is to hang the motor out another six inches. Then I can add pulleys for the motor and encoder. That may be a better way to go, but I'm bumping into current motor as it is. It's a good thing I'm not planning to have kids.
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[18:51:20] <pcw_home> :-)
[18:51:21] <pcw_home> for direct drive the trick is finding low RPM (and high torque) motors
[18:51:52] <pcw_home> the fanuc 8 pole motor are often 2000 RPM which is not too bad
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[19:48:36] <andreas> hi
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[19:49:32] <andreas> I have a question about compiling machinekit, im here on the right place?
[19:50:28] <cradek> sorry no, they have a separate list
[19:52:12] <andreas> do you know, they have a irc channel?
[19:52:22] <cradek> not that I know of
[19:52:39] <andreas> oke thx
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[20:07:40] <CaptHindsight> looks like they registered a channel but it's empty
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[22:48:25] <seb_kuzminsky> huh, i can repro that "halui doesn't send the mdi command" problem that we saw in the liblinuxcnc-ui branch on the armhf buildslave
[22:48:35] * seb_kuzminsky puts his debugging pants on
[22:55:59] <pcw_home> Are those DS waders?
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[23:03:12] <seb_kuzminsky> http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/8/19/1408461775551/Thames-Water-worker-remov-014.jpg
[23:05:16] <pcw_home> :-)
[23:05:47] <pcw_home> hmm stepconf gets confused by uspace
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[23:09:02] <seb_kuzminsky> is it the probe_parport problem, or something else?
[23:09:32] <pcw_home> well it want to make a sim config
[23:09:37] <pcw_home> wants
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[23:38:13] <cmorley> pcw_home: if it's recent build look that the 'create simulated hardware' checkbox is unchecked. Seems the default is to create a simulated config
[23:38:30] <cmorley> It's on the start page
