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[00:00:13] <kwallace2> Thanks, jepler and CaptHindsight. I didn't realize these pins are meant to be used with matching sockets. The sockets will make life easier.
[00:01:23] <CaptHindsight> kwallace2: have you found sockets with the pitch you need?
[00:02:36] <kwallace2> Here is the socket that jepler linked:
http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/181/S25-XX2-351647.pdf
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[00:02:58] <kwallace2> So can be any spacing.
[00:03:31] <CaptHindsight> those are the pins sure
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[00:04:26] <kwallace2> My under standing is that these pins go inside the sockets:
http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/181/P25-XX23-350405.pdf
[00:04:52] <kwallace2> I ordered a different pin, but they are the same size.
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[00:08:29] <kwallace2> The sockets have a ring shank that I can use in a light press fit hole to fix the pin.
[00:10:12] <kwallace2> I think all's I need to do is find sockets that are dirt cheap and I can get in hand when the pins get here.
[00:13:53] <CaptHindsight> kwallace2: if you can't find sockets with the proper pitch you can cast them into place using epoxy resin
[00:20:14] <kwallace2> My plan is to use two plates of acrylic:
http://wallacecompany.com/tmp/Screenshot_pogo1.png with holes that match the holes from the board to be tested.
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[15:09:29] <seb_kuzminsky> am i the only one who often wishes for our gcode overview in manpage format?
[15:09:55] <ssi> never thought about that, but now that you mention it that'd be handier'n pants pockets :D
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[15:10:18] <seb_kuzminsky> heh, that was the response i was hpoing for, i'll eagerly await your PR now ;-)
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[15:15:18] <ssi> hahaha
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[15:21:12] <cradek> man g81
[15:21:17] <cradek> ?
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[15:28:38] <cradek> mozmck: are you coming to houston?
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[15:29:20] <mozmck> hi cradek: unfortunately I don't think so.
[15:29:33] <cradek> darnit, I was hoping we could jam.
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[15:30:46] <mozmck> yeah, that would be fun!
[15:31:14] <mozmck> wife is almost 8 months pregnant now, and too much else going on.
[15:31:50] <cradek> aha, that's more important than travels; hope everything comes out ok
[15:32:39] <mozmck> thanks!
[15:40:37] <cradek> while packing, I remembered the joke about the guy who left his banjo in his unlocked car
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[15:55:53] <pcw_home> I guess I will need to have a network setup script for Ethernet cards or people will fight with the network mangler forever
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[16:36:55] <pcw_home> Damn, the sheep have figured out how to get through chicken wire...
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[16:42:14] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i was imagining "man gcode" showing basically the G-code Quick Reference,
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode.html
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[16:42:40] <seb_kuzminsky> just enough to remind me how to spell "absolute arc centers" and stuff like that
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[17:00:24] <jepler> pcw_home: following the hm2_eth manpage section "configure network with standard address" should stop network-manager touching the dedicated ethernet interface after the next reboot
[17:02:21] <jepler> if n-m is not hands off after making that configuration, then I need to figure out what to write in the docs
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[17:03:39] <pcw_home> I think that works but if you poke an the interface with NM ist still breaks things (so dont do that I guess)
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[17:08:18] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: would this help?
http://www.campmor.com/72-tight-weave-no-see-um-mosquito-netting.shtml?source=CI&ci_sku=61001&ci_gpa=pla&ci_kw=
[17:08:32] * seb_kuzminsky <-- so helpful
[17:08:48] <pcw_home> not sure if setting it up entirely outside of NM and deleting any of NM connection profiles that refer to the RT ethernet connection woudl make it invisable to NM
[17:12:35] <pcw_home> I didnt think the sheep could get through the chicken wire that overlays the welded wire (to prevent nose incursion)
[17:12:36] <pcw_home> that protects our small trees from sheep depradation but holes are appearing in several places...
[17:13:44] <pcw_home> Probably underestimated the effect of small sharp hooves and determination
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[17:16:22] <archivist> I am having a similar problem with starlings, three days on the trot, had to get one out of the house, hole in the eaves somewhere
[17:20:40] <pcw_home> Problem with the sheep is they have pretty much 24 hours a day to work on getting into things
[17:24:34] <seb_kuzminsky> you should give them some thing productive to occupy their time
[17:24:37] <seb_kuzminsky> pick-n-place maybe
[17:26:23] <pcw_home> Rather difficult to motivate except with food
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[17:28:25] <archivist> when I caught the starling this morning it grabbed a cable and would not let go. fun uncurling its claws to throw it out
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[18:02:33] <pcw_home> Didn't know they were that tenacious
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[18:10:30] <CaptHindsight> growing sweaters and socks vs all that shearing and knitting, cut out the middle man
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[19:32:25] <PCW> interestingly enough, Jitter on Ethernet connected cards under Preemt-RT is not substantially worse than jitter on a D525 under RTAI (~120 usec read time jitter)
[19:34:09] <PCW> (random delay spikes in read function 120 usec longer than ~30 usec baseline)
[19:36:24] <PCW> these spikes affect all functions, even those that do not access hardware
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[19:53:38] <jepler> $ echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/irq/45/smp_affinity
[19:53:39] <jepler> 1
[19:53:48] <jepler> apparently this is the right way to set an irq's smp affinity
[19:54:06] <jepler> I had mistakenly thought that it was effective to change the affinity of the task seen in 'ps' with cpuset
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[19:54:34] <jepler> in my system, 45's eth0 and I could see from /proc/interrupts that it was being delivered to the RT CPU
[19:55:45] <jepler> NMIs, local timer interrupts, and performance monitoring interrupts are also delivered on my RT CPU
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[19:57:01] <jepler> possibly it's also beneficial to set the eth1 interrupt's affinity *to* the RT CPU
[19:58:23] <jepler> hm I'm booted without isolcpus=
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[20:01:57] <PCW> I tried messing with irq affinities a while back and did not see any noticeable change but its very likely I messed something up
[20:03:11] <jepler> looks fiddly to get right
[20:03:22] <jepler> and I'm not in a position right now to measure whether it's making an effective difference
[20:04:07] <PCW> Yeah the thing I dont get is these 100 usec latencies under RTAI
[20:05:14] <CaptHindsight> have you tried the new RTAI tree?
[20:05:44] <PCW> No, how much trouble is it to try?
[20:05:49] <CaptHindsight> I'm wondering if it behaves any different on Intel
[20:06:10] <CaptHindsight> making deb kernels are easy
[20:07:54] <CaptHindsight> memleak fiddled quire a bit with the scheduler to keep the latency on the RTAI core low while having smooth video behavior
[20:08:21] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if your spikes are to do with video
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[20:08:56] <PCW> have you plotted say motion-controller.time vs video access (and motion-controller.tmax)
[20:09:29] <PCW> halscope it and move the mouse :-)
[20:09:58] <CaptHindsight> he did all the work, so I don't know
[20:10:12] <PCW> or watch tmax tic upwards if you play a youtube video
[20:12:46] <CaptHindsight> PCW: does it creep up the longer it plays for you?
[20:13:18] <CaptHindsight> we'd run it for 1-2 weeks and never see a spike
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[20:42:28] <CaptHindsight> the trouble with RTAI is that nobody really knows how it all works and why at this point
[20:43:32] <seb_kuzminsky> i agree, that's very troubling
[20:44:07] <seb_kuzminsky> a while back jepler (i think) suggested making an rtapi module for i-pipe, which seems appealing to me
[20:44:35] <seb_kuzminsky> i-pipe is much of the awesome sauce of rtai, and it seem much more alive than rtai
[20:47:54] <CaptHindsight> memleak put everything in his own repo since Paolo hardly updates anything and is currently borrowing from xenomai
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[20:49:32] <CaptHindsight> http://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI
[20:51:11] <CaptHindsight> I don't who the main users of RTAI are anymore besides this project
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[21:29:53] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah memleak is probably as productive as the rest of the rtai community put together
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[22:00:55] <jepler> http://www.troll.me/images/cowboy-dos-equis/i-dont-always-nullterminate-my-strings-but-when-i-do-it-shows.jpg
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[22:02:36] <jepler> strlcpy / strncpy / strzcpy / strcpy_s
[22:02:45] <jepler> it's 2014 and we're still not sure of the best way to copy "strings" in C
[22:04:10] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not gonna click on "troll.me"
[22:04:15] * seb_kuzminsky clicks anyway
[22:07:07] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: plans for houston still on the rails?
[22:08:27] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: fwiw my flight gets in at ~8:30pm friday to iah and I don't know if I'm going to try to do anything friday night
[22:10:29] <cradek> I'm having dinner in wichita already
[22:10:55] <jepler> cradek: hi wichita
[22:12:01] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: what's your flight? You need a pickup, right?
[22:14:13] <jepler> cradek: you didn't miss much at $DAY_JOB trade show today. software still looks terrible on a projector, and every new feature is demonstrated with an apology at the start like always
[22:16:12] <seb_kuzminsky> that's depressing
[22:17:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i get in to iah at 12:05 tomorrow, god willin and the crick dont rise
[22:17:10] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: when asked, our talk givers say that they are trying to say to the users: this is different than it has been in the past, and at first you'll be irritated by the difference itself, but trust us it's better
[22:17:18] <jepler> at least that's what they say to us
[22:17:43] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: ah, that's much better than what i was imagining
[22:18:10] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i'd like a ride if it's convenient, or i'll hire a cab, no big deal either way
[22:18:18] <seb_kuzminsky> (ie, don't speed to get there to pick me up)
[22:18:35] <jepler> or you can wait for 8PM to roll around
[22:19:00] <cradek> I doubt I'll be there anytime near noon but you never know. coffee with dinner.
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[22:20:43] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i'll probably just meet you at the hotel then
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[22:20:48] <jepler> cradek: I'll give you a call when I get in, find out if anything's up
[22:21:24] <seb_kuzminsky> by 8 in the pm we should be well into the "discuss moonshots over beer" part of the meeting? or hacking feverishly on our giant backlog of bugs, one of those two probably
[22:21:45] <jepler> what giant backlog of bugs? I looked on github linuxcnc-mirror and there are zero bugs
[22:21:59] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[22:22:38] <jepler> great, google knew before I finished typing it in the specific beer I'm having
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[22:24:13] <jepler> hmm actually this description does not sound at all like the beer I'm having
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[22:24:52] <jepler> aha, google was wrong. I'm having the 18.
http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/392/95268/
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[22:25:07] <jepler> it's good as long as you like a malty, high alcohol beer with nary a hint of hops
[22:26:14] <seb_kuzminsky> TIL jeff and i are in opposite quadrants of the hops-vs-malt chart
[22:26:28] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I thought we knew that already
[22:26:36] <jepler> at least I remember barely being able to manage a sip of the "F Y IPA"
[22:26:41] <jepler> in your presence
[22:28:22] <seb_kuzminsky> heh oh yeah
[22:28:27] <seb_kuzminsky> wow that seems like a long time ago
[22:28:53] <jepler> it was probably 5-7 years
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[22:29:34] <jepler> man I am looking forward to hanging out
[22:29:42] <seb_kuzminsky> :-)
[22:30:01] <seb_kuzminsky> me too, and speaking of which imma ditch out of work early to go pack now :-)
[22:30:07] <seb_kuzminsky> see some subset of you all soon!
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