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[00:00:45] <PCW> I thought I followed the instructions but (to fetch wheezy preemt-rt master)
[00:00:47] <PCW> but i just got 2.6.3
[00:01:49] <skunkworks> master will allow you to build for the preempt-rt..
[00:01:52] <skunkworks> oh
[00:01:57] <skunkworks> I see what you are saying
[00:03:52] <PCW> trying to save time. I'll probably just build and RIP
[00:11:57] <PCW> btw Wheezy/RTAI seems acceptable on the A68-5000 ~15 usec base.30 usec servo thread jitter
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[00:12:29] <PCW> not bad for a $69 quad core MB
[00:14:02] <skunkworks> and the usb's work!\
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[02:50:04] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.6 fef1a62 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/comp.txt docs: document some missing declarations in the comp tool * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fef1a62
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[07:03:14] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master c46a9ad 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/comp.txt Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.6' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=c46a9ad
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[12:04:33] <tjtr33> hello, can a python Mcode access halui?
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[12:10:32] <tjtr33> ok i can import hal
[12:10:35] <tjtr33> thx
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[13:16:43] <skunkworks> ran overnight at 1khz - trying 2khz
[13:16:54] <skunkworks> so far so good
[13:27:41] <pcw_home> pretty sure Its something about Ubuntu 14.04/Realtek 8111 drivers
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[13:31:13] <skunkworks> yeck again
[13:31:53] <pcw_home> Yeah thats ugly
[13:32:13] <skunkworks> was that 12.04 or 14.04?
[13:33:05] <pcw_home> i did most testing with 12.04 pretty sure its my upgrade to 14.04 that broke it
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[13:35:15] <pcw_home> seems 8111 specific (newer runs more than about a minute before bolloxing up)
[13:36:12] <pcw_home> my external USB.GIGE adapter will run for an hour or so (much longer than expected)
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[13:38:04] <skunkworks> my google foo is failing.. (or no one has noticed..)
[13:38:12] <pcw_home> and when it eventually breaks it fails differently (and more benignly, just slow)
[13:38:47] <skunkworks> as jepler has said - We may have to have a list of adaptors that play well with distibutions/nics..
[13:39:19] <skunkworks> it will still be much larger than rt-net
[13:40:12] <pcw_home> I also wonder if its something 14.04 pokes at in the background (you can always cause trouble by poking at the graphic network tool)
[13:42:18] <skunkworks> did you disable ipv6 and configure iptables for exclusive access?
[13:43:08] <skunkworks> (we found that the gui doesn't actually disable ipv6...)
[13:46:10] <pcw_home> Yes
[13:47:16] <pcw_home> Ill try wheezy today
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[13:49:19] <skunkworks> darn
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[13:50:01] <skunkworks> still running at 2khz
[13:55:56] <skunkworks> pcw_home, this is what I am running on wheezy
http://pastebin.com/QsJgENDX
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[14:06:46] <pcw_home> same driver (8169) not sure how you get driver version
[14:07:09] <jepler> the driver is bundled with the kernel, so it's the same as the kernel version
[14:07:30] <pcw_home> Ick
[14:09:48] <pcw_home> so if that's the case the driver didn't change so maybe its ubuntu's magical mystery network frobulator
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[14:17:08] <skunkworks> can you remove the network-ness...
[14:19:25] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBQ7RSuRAls&list=UUHk52YjGT8HryRYmJKSl-lg
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[14:38:34] <cradek> heh, tapping with a drill chuck
[14:38:43] <cradek> seems like you have more spindle acceleration now?
[14:39:05] <skunkworks> different rpm probably...
[14:39:38] <skunkworks> oh - and probably.. I think since the first few tapping videos - we had upped the accelleration of the vfd a bit.
[14:39:40] <cradek> oh right, gears
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[14:41:02] <brianmorel99> skunkworks: What system are you using for testing the ethernet set up?
[14:41:45] <skunkworks> I have tested it on a few random systems.. currently it is a gigabyte J1900N-D3V
[14:42:33] <skunkworks> The system seems ok - but it doesn't work with the linuxcnc rtai kernal as the usb don't come up.
[14:42:41] <skunkworks> rt_preemt works just fine
[14:43:28] <skunkworks> cradek, I use drill chucks a lot for small taps.. (less than 1/2 inch ;) )
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[17:22:57] <archivist> should the docs restrict encoder.N.position-scale to multiples of 4 when counting edges in quadrature mode (the default)
[17:24:31] <pcw_home> I though position scale was floating point and arbitrary
[17:27:11] <archivist> I am trying to debug my error and was changing the scale, not seeing a change in output spindle error (extra encoder to read the slave spindle)
[17:30:09] <skunkworks> still running at 2 khz
[17:32:31] <pcw_home> mine runs fine at 2 KHz for ~ 1 minute
[17:33:06] <pcw_home> I will try disabling the network mangler
[17:34:22] <skunkworks> worth a shot
[17:34:35] <archivist> I sort of expecting the chinese cheap encoder on the hob spindle to possible miss a count so was expecting to be able to adjust the scale to get a straight output, but did not change the error percentage (output spindle is 99.82% of the correct value after a 1000 revs of the input spindle)
[17:46:44] <pcw_home> really should never miss counts
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[17:49:03] <pcw_home> dont know if the software encoder has any error checking
[17:49:13] <archivist> this error is so consistent, the machined blank is showing the same error as the test encoder tells me
[17:49:57] <skunkworks> are you saying the encoder may not be the number of counts it says it is?
[17:50:07] <pcw_home> that may be
[17:50:29] <skunkworks> like someone assumed it was 1000ppr when it is actually 1024?
[17:51:06] <pcw_home> thats 10X more error that you have
[17:51:16] <pcw_home> than you have
[17:53:08] <archivist> or there is some missed counting by linuxcnc because I am close to the limits, or there is a duff stepper driver missing a tiny percentage
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[17:53:56] <cradek> maybe one hole on your encoder disc is gooped up
[17:53:56] <archivist> or dunno, but changing the scale from1600 to 1596 should have changed the output a little
[17:55:57] <archivist> cradek, I assumed that so was attempting to fix it by fiddling the scale, but not getting the expected changes in output spindle
[18:00:02] <pcw_home> maybe the error is intermittent (maybe halscope the encoder velocity to look for bad spots)
[18:00:44] <cradek> triggering on ddt of velocity might be a great way to find a fluke like that
[18:01:20] <cradek> 4 missing counts will make a huge spike
[18:01:39] <cradek> abs(ddt(velocity)) I guess
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[18:05:43] <archivist> I just adjusted the scale for another test, takes a while to to a sensible count
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[18:24:34] <archivist> screenshot-0 v screenshot-3 only one variable changed
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/mirror/hob/
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[18:26:31] <archivist> I stop the machine then hand rotate the cutter spindle till the cutter encoder reads 4000
[18:26:54] <archivist> one grab was while at speed
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[18:32:58] <skunkworks> so 1604 is the correct scale?
[18:36:16] <archivist> 1600 would be correct
[18:36:32] <archivist> it being a 400 encoder
[18:38:10] <archivist> I have a 5000 line encoder on the blank spindle to measure what that is doing
[18:41:50] <skunkworks> so that encoder.1.position should read 2000000?
[18:42:30] <archivist> yes
[18:43:18] <archivist> and the error percentage test one is about the same as test two, confusing
[18:43:29] <skunkworks> can you just command the stepper x rotations manually to make sure it is tracking?
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[18:46:45] <archivist> you can see gearpos which should be the output rotations, which shows a correct number
[18:47:16] <archivist> but why didnt the scale fiddle get it close
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[19:13:00] <skunkworks> odd
[19:13:23] <archivist> I am exceeeeedingly confused
[19:15:20] <skunkworks> but the gearpos is physically connected to the encoder.1.position... so those should match. seems like the issue is steps or something...
[19:16:25] <PCW> does the encoder have a index? that can be useful for encoder sanity checking
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[19:16:43] <archivist> or something not considered so far, some odd hunting teeth in the internal gearing I dont know about
[19:17:31] <archivist> PCW, it does not have an index
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[19:18:15] <archivist> the 5000 line one on the output does though
[19:18:28] <PCW> might plot step gen position - (suitably scaled) encoder position
[19:19:29] <PCW> maybe there's some funny periodic error or something
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[19:21:11] <tjtr33> just applied the fix for shellshock dunno if you guys are done already or aware at all
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2245631
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[20:01:02] <tjtr33> my bash-foo is poor. the read doesnt wait for a key. the echo works fine. any ideas?
http://pastebin.com/CpSdFZHi
[20:01:39] <tjtr33> i was trying to debug this "can't do that (EMC_TASK_PLAN_RUN) in auto mode with the interpreter paused"
[20:03:21] <PCW> skunkworks ok hm2_eth works fine on wheezy
[20:03:29] <PCW> did you say the 3.2 preemt-rt kernel works on your J1900?
[20:10:07] <seb_kuzminsky> archivist: there's an irc meeting tomorrow (for the first time in a long time). is your robot ready to record it?
[20:11:15] <archivist> should be in channel and listening as usual
[20:11:20] <seb_kuzminsky> great
[20:12:45] <archivist> heh is there?
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MeetingsOnIRC
[20:13:48] <archivist> an update and some advertising mebe
[20:13:57] <cradek> worse, jepler and I are both going to be on the road, and it's his proposal
[20:14:07] <archivist> hehe
[20:14:10] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Meeting201409
[20:14:27] <cradek> annnnd he got the date wrong
[20:15:18] <jepler> oops
[20:15:27] <cradek> fixed
[20:15:33] <jepler> wrong as in it's not tomorrow?
[20:15:46] <cradek> it said Saturday 9/28, which isn't a thing
[20:16:02] <jepler> ah
[20:16:04] <jepler> thanks
[20:16:33] <cradek> I agree with archivist that you should announce it on the lists
[20:17:03] <archivist> before any meeting happen the main index page should reflect it too
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MeetingsOnIRC
[20:18:13] <cradek> I should've frozen the agenda on Wednesday
[20:18:55] <cradek> done now
[20:19:20] <jepler> weird, I would have told you I had updated the page MeetingsOnIRC
[20:24:00] <cradek> archivist: can you run it again please?
[20:24:55] <archivist> an orphan meeting (any wiki page) page is useless without it being on the index about meetings, it is like putting a notice in a desert, how is anyone to know it is on
[20:25:55] <cradek> jepler fixed that
[20:26:23] <jepler> also the proposal has been on the mailing list since a month ago
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[20:27:17] <jepler> I agree I erred not to link the meeting page from MettingsOnIRC
[20:28:58] <seb_kuzminsky> i can tell this meeting is going to be awesome
[20:29:09] <seb_kuzminsky> i should serve margaritas with little umbrellas
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[20:30:39] <cradek> I suppose we could wait a month
[20:31:49] <cradek> (this is a pro forma vote where nobody has even voiced a dissent)
[20:31:58] <archivist> I have no powers to play with the topic to run the meeting as you were doing anyway
[20:32:01] <PCW> OK both Gigabyte J1800 and Biostar A4-5000 work fine for hm2_eth /wheezy Preemt-RT
[20:32:04] <PCW> no problem with hm2_eth master, I must have borked the ubuntu OS install somehow
[20:32:23] <cradek> I wonder what I did to fix that last time (you ran the last one)
[20:33:09] <jepler> cradek: you're the channel owner of #linuxcnc-meet. you can /query chanserv and delegate abilities as appropriate
[20:33:21] <cradek> I'm struggling with that now
[20:35:12] <jepler> if you give archivist +t he can /query chanserv and manipulate the channel topic of #linuxcnc-meet with the topic command
[20:36:07] <archivist> / msg chanserv #linuxcnc-meet access list tells me what cradek is has just done
[20:36:15] <cradek> done I think
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[22:32:11] <skunkworks> PCW, whatever rt_preempt that is in the wheezy repository.
[22:32:22] <skunkworks> (I just used synamtic and installed it)
[22:34:46] <micges-dev> skunkworks: scurve jogging works, left only enabling g64 functionality
[22:35:04] <skunkworks> micges-dev: I will test if you like?
[22:36:30] <micges-dev> not in repo yet, I'll ping when it's in
[22:38:06] <skunkworks> ok
[22:38:18] <skunkworks> synaptic
[22:40:57] <skunkworks> PCW, are you thinking that if you installed 14.04 fresh - you might be good?
[22:42:49] <KGB-linuxcnc> 05micges/scurve-test1 4ff91a3 06linuxcnc branch created * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ff91a3
[22:44:18] <micges-dev> skunkworks: it's in this branch ^^
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[22:47:45] <PCW> skunkworks: maybe and also build RT kernel under 14.04
[22:49:38] <PCW> so wheezy/its packaged preemt RT kernel work with hm2_eth on about 5 different MBs (3 different Ethernet MACs)
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[23:51:00] <linuxcnc-build> build #2450 of 1900.clang-lucid-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1900.clang-lucid-rtai-i386/builds/2450 blamelist: Michael Geszkiewicz <micges@wp.pl>