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[00:31:29] <CaptHindsight> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTc5NTA Debian Switches Back To GNOME As Its Default Desktop
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[02:23:12] <jepler> I wonder whether to merge jepler/proposed-master to master
[02:23:52] <jepler> it mostly consists of providing rtapi_prefixed versions of the kernel byte-swapping macros (e.g., cpu_to_le32) which might be useful in writing hardware drivers where a particular endianness is required
[02:24:27] <jepler> but of course all the drivers designed for PCs are designed for little-endian, which is what i386, amd64, and armhf all are
[02:24:39] <jepler> so in practice there's no need to even be hygenic and use such macros
[02:25:37] <jepler> and they're so trivial to provide, we can just add them then
[02:25:45] <jepler> on the other hand, the difficulty of providing them is low
[02:26:07] <jepler> .. and on the other, other hand, it turns out the <asm/byteorder.h> header is portable to kernelspace and uspace anyway, so no need to provide a wrapper
[02:26:29] <jepler> thanks for listening to me talk to myself
[02:26:54] <cradek> anytime
[02:35:14] <pcw_home> interestingly the IEEE754 FP standard doesn't specify endianess
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[02:54:13] <skunkworks_> cradek: I installed from the hybrid image with the good video card. went smooth and updated perfectly. latency is around 16us
[03:04:31] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks_: neat, something worked like it's supposed to :-)
[03:06:47] <seb_kuzminsky> he struck me as a bit frail and insecure, so i'm not surprised he's worried about conflict if he came alone to our meeting
[03:07:05] <seb_kuzminsky> argh, wrong windo
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[09:17:31] <NTU> cradek: perfect response xD
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[10:35:25] <skunkworks_> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/machinekit/SMdbuf4b5LI
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[12:34:36] <jepler> great, now d.a. is yelling at me.
[12:35:17] <jepler> I knew I should have kept my trap shut, but noooo
[12:48:02] <cradek> his tantrums are not very endearing
[12:49:39] <jepler> I can vaguely imagine his situation
[12:49:48] <jepler> there's some russian linuxcnc forum where they use rar as a matter of national pride
[12:49:56] <jepler> and all he wanted to do was copy this blob of dubious provenance onto our forum
[12:49:59] <jepler> or whatever
[12:50:01] <archivist> the middle ground is zip, iirc rar is only 10-20% of the windows market
[12:52:16] <jepler> do you think responding to him with sarcasm is a good idea?
[12:52:49] <archivist> no, he has been helpful in irc
[12:54:36] <archivist> grmble, why is halmeter one variable at a time :)
[12:58:12] <jepler> this is -devel, go write code
[12:58:31] <archivist> that is sarcasm!
[13:01:48] <jepler> I only have your word for that
[13:13:05] <cradek> welp, now EBo's on it
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[13:18:26] <cradek> archivist: halshow is not as pretty, but its "watch" thing will show you a list of hal things
[13:21:07] <archivist> I am trying to debug the hobbing machine I am converting, getting a helix instead of a spur, about 1 deg error, it could be a duff hob dragging the plastic around, so far I cannot see any lcnc error
[13:21:39] <cradek> ooh, do you have photos of it?
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[13:22:48] <archivist> up to a year ago
http://www.archivist.info/cnc/hob2/ with some added goodness
http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/DJCPD/PD/2014/2014_09_17_Barber_Colman_cnc/
[13:23:38] <archivist> but yesterday the vfd I put on died, fitted another and cant see where the bug is yet
[13:25:23] <archivist> or I simply set the hob angle incorrectly (hob does not state its lead angle like it should)
[13:25:35] <cradek> the path for the cutting oil return is very graceful
[13:25:42] <cradek> oops brb
[13:27:37] <archivist> that is a part catching entry, should have a basket below
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[14:06:12] <cradek> huh, I saw a nozzle on top and assumed it was for oil
[14:06:43] <cradek> so you removed a gearbox? anything else?
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[14:47:09] <pcw_home> is there a preemt-rt kernel available as a package for wheezy?
[14:48:00] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: yes
[14:48:27] <seb_kuzminsky> it's called linux-image-$VERSION-rt-$ARCH
[14:48:37] <seb_kuzminsky> linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64 - Linux 3.2 for 64-bit PCs, PREEMPT_RT
[14:48:56] <seb_kuzminsky> it's in the debian.org archive, available to anyone
[14:50:44] <pcw_home> OK thanks, someone on the forum having troubles (somewhat expected) getting a mesa Ethernet hm2 card to work
[14:51:33] <pcw_home> so
[14:51:35] <pcw_home> sudo apt get install linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64
[14:51:36] <pcw_home> ?
[14:53:55] <seb_kuzminsky> that should do it
[14:54:49] <pcw_home> Thanks, that seems the easiest path
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[15:11:46] <archivist> cradek, yes the spout is the cutter oil supply, I thought your comment was about the open v below
[15:12:45] <archivist> cradek, removed the mechanical auto stuff (magazine feed mechanism)
[15:18:30] <seb_kuzminsky> it's depressing when i go to work on a patchset-in-progress and i see original commit dates from months and months ago :-/
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[17:02:49] <skunkworks> who is david a on irc?
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[17:07:12] <skunkworks> archivist, we need a video of it running.... please :)
[17:07:30] <archivist> cncbasher on ird
[17:07:33] * skunkworks things gear hobbing is cool...
[17:07:53] <archivist> skunkworks, buy me a camera then :)
[17:08:15] <skunkworks> I know for a fact you used to have usb camera.... (didn't you?_
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[17:08:32] <archivist> hmmm, mebe
[17:08:41] <archivist> forgot about that
[17:09:57] <skunkworks> I have talked to cncbasher - he seems nice.
[17:12:53] * skunkworks has a thing for gear hobbers.. for some reason..
[17:13:29] <pcw_home> bad day maybe (I hate rar its always a pita)
[17:14:35] <skunkworks> I hate rar also...
[17:15:17] <archivist> I hate it when a machine is not quite right....
[17:15:34] <archivist> is my maffffs wrong
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[17:37:40] <skunkworks> pcw_home, I have use the wheezy+rtprempt
[17:37:52] <skunkworks> pretty painless
[17:38:38] <pcw_home> I need to try that but have been unable to get a machine that will boot from a hybrid USB stick
[17:39:32] <skunkworks> if you have those GB motherboards - they won't because the rtai kernel doesn't see the usb..
[17:39:47] <skunkworks> I think we have had this conversation :)
[17:40:42] <pcw_home> I cant get it to boot on a D525 either, and yes we've been through this
[17:42:29] <skunkworks> I have had it boot on an older atom.
[17:42:55] <skunkworks> pcw_home, are you creating the usb stick using DD?
[17:43:04] <pcw_home> Yes, dd
[17:43:08] <skunkworks> huh
[17:44:21] <pcw_home> files and file checksums seemed right
[17:55:22] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05master d22216d 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/emcsh.cc 10src/emc/usr_intf/shcom.cc 10src/emc/usr_intf/shcom.hh emcsh: support rapid_override * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d22216d
[18:04:18] <cradek> cool
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[18:06:54] <kwallace> This looks interesting (Olimex A13 SoM):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/271542660637
[18:09:08] <kwallace> https://www.olimex.com/wiki/A13-SOM
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[18:25:24] <seb_kuzminsky> it's very silly that emcsh's feed_override and rapid_override take a percentage as int, then divide it by 100.0 to get a float multiplier to send to the controller
[18:26:23] <cradek> all the guis pretty much do the equivalent
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[19:32:44] <CaptHindsight> kwallace: linuxcnc runs on the A13, there's just no real time IO yet, same for the A20 boards
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[19:37:42] <CaptHindsight> kwallace: about the same price but dual core and 1GB DDR
http://store.cutedigi.com/pcduino3-nano/
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[19:47:41] <kwallace> CaptHindsight, Oh shoot, you posted that link before and I forgot. My application (sprinkler, thermostat and others) needs a dirt cheap Linux processor with Ethernet and can be headless. I ordered a Raspberry Pi, then found this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/290948287064 and started to consider other options such as:
https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/iMX233/iMX233-OLinuXino-NANO/open-source-hardware .
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[19:57:56] <kwallace> Oops again, I did an Andy and just bought a pcDuino.
[19:59:03] <kwallace> by mistake
[20:01:31] <kwallace> Way off topic:
http://www.amnh.org/explore/news-blogs/research-posts/hints-of-gravitational-waves-in-the-stars
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