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[00:18:12] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master c66cf1a 06linuxcnc 10src/Makefile build: sssshhhh kbuild * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=c66cf1a
[00:18:12] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 350a019 06linuxcnc 10scripts/platform-is-supported platform-is-supported: armhf is reported as arm * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=350a019
[00:18:12] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 5a2bae0 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/hal_priv.h hal: aha that's why * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a2bae0
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[00:20:28] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 0ae7ea3 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/encoder.c get rid of unused variables * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ae7ea3
[00:44:47] <jepler> 4f7db66 Convert hal's component list and component free list to new-style lists
[00:44:50] <jepler> 5 files changed, 92 insertions(+), 230 deletions(-)
[00:44:59] <jepler> that seems like a nice improvement
[00:45:29] <jepler> assuming I didn't botch anything (the tests pass)
[00:46:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/proposed-master 591560d 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/hal_priv.h hal: introduce kernel-style linked lists * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=591560d
[00:46:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/proposed-master 4f7db66 06linuxcnc 10(5 files in 2 dirs) Convert hal's component list and component free list to new-style lists * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f7db66
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[02:08:31] <jepler> hm if it (test save.0) prints 8GB of this over and over again before it fills my disk and I kill it, is there something wrong? stepgen.0.dir stepgen.0.dir stepgen.0.dir
[02:09:06] <jepler> I need a better abstraction for sorted linked lists
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[02:29:49] <jepler> 7 files changed, 101 insertions(+), 198 deletions(-)
[02:29:51] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/proposed-master f326628 06linuxcnc 10(7 files in 2 dirs) Convert hal's pin list and free list to new-style lists * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=f326628
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[12:12:58] <jepler> micges: perhaps mesaflash should print a message when the device just flashed has to be power-cycled
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[13:32:13] <pcw_home_> or suggest the reload option is its possible (the existing image needs the ICAP option for this)
[13:32:24] <pcw_home_> if its possible
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[13:43:39] <pcw_home_> I have updated almost all current spartan 6 bitfiles to include ICAP now so the reload option will work on new bitfiles
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[13:46:07] <NTU> what was the response again as to why linuxcnc should not have a sudo make uninstall?
[13:46:56] <seb_kuzminsky> NTU: it's hard to get right, hard to keep from breaking, and distribution packaging does a better job
[13:47:19] <seb_kuzminsky> those are the reasons i personally have no interest in 'make uninstall'
[13:47:22] <seb_kuzminsky> or 'make install'
[13:47:34] <NTU> well make install works fine
[13:47:47] <NTU> it just takes a lot of time in certain distros to make a package for things
[13:48:08] <seb_kuzminsky> we use 'make install' to stage files for inclusion in the debian package, so yeah, that gets exercised and tested often
[13:49:30] <NTU> rtai has a make uninstall yet git grep "uninstall" shows nothing related
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[13:55:09] <jepler> my canonical screed about "make install":
http://mid.gmane.org/20140817171953.GC86118%40unpythonic.net
[13:56:09] <jepler> It's true that we have put hours and hours of work into the debian package building process, but I am certain we've saved more hours by not having to debug strange "I did 'make install' a couple of times and now something hard to explain is wrong"
[13:56:17] <jepler> if you don't want to bother building a package, then just run linuxcnc "in place"
[13:57:21] <rythmnbls> or use /opt prefix
[13:57:53] <jepler> rythmnbls: linuxcnc's "make install" installs files outside of its prefix. we'd be happy to consider patches to reduce/eliminate this, but some of the things (such as udev rules) are unavoidable
[13:58:14] <jepler> of course you don't get those udev rules without extra action while running in-place
[13:59:04] <jepler> iirc it also installs python files according to the python standard (site-packages)
[13:59:46] <jepler> but anyway, this is -devel so if you don't like what linuxcnc does fix it
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[14:29:00] <jepler> pcw_home_: yeah, if mesaflash can detect a working --reset then it should suggest that
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[14:48:09] <NTU> alright i cannot finish the live cd unfourtunately because it wont get past mounting the rootfs
[14:49:27] <NTU> i give up with that. i can provide filesystem tarballs which can be decompresse to partitions but live images are difficult as hell when you're using mksquashfs and building the bootloader by hand and doing it all from scratch
[14:50:27] <cradek> what are you trying to do?
[14:50:42] <NTU> build an rtai live cd
[14:50:50] <jepler> cradek: ntu had been working on a gentoo live cd image
[14:50:54] <cradek> ah
[14:51:01] <NTU> with my new rtai changes that are incredibly awesome
[14:51:49] <NTU> and i cant build ubuntu packages because ubuntu wont start properly on my bleeding edge GPU
[14:51:54] <jepler> NTU: it's good that you gain some appreciation for why we hate things like properly doing Debian packaging for kernel images, building live CDs, and the rest
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[14:53:15] <NTU> i am trying to help the rtai linuxcnc community the best i can but i can only do so much
[14:53:41] <NTU> filesystem tars are easy for me though and they work fine with everything ive tested them on
[14:54:36] <NTU> cons being it is an "install only, no try"
[14:55:31] <NTU> i already have tars prepared, is anyone interested?
[14:57:18] <cradek> what are the rtai improvements? if they're useful for everyone, we should eventually get them incorporated into the packages all of us use
[14:58:05] <cradek> if you can improve rtai and let someone else do the packaging right, so be it, I see no problem there
[15:01:25] <NTU> SMP improvements for both 32-bit and 64, 3.14 kernel support, isolcpus no longer required and now deemed completely unncessary, fixes supurious interrupts on select new AMD boards, improved math support with added functions specifically for linuxcnc, certain debug messaegs that run to dmesg are no longer static (i.e. constant scheduling frequency always shows 999ns) erm..
[15:08:04] <cradek> sounds awesome
[15:10:03] <CaptHindsight> the latest AMD and Intel boards require >3.10 or 3.12 kernels for the accelerated GPU drivers
[15:10:35] <NTU> 3.16 is needed though for my R9 290 :(
[15:11:23] <cradek> good grief it never ends
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[15:11:26] <NTU> i emailed the xenomai team about 3.16 and they said a few weeks ago that it would be done in a few weeks, the day 3.16 emerges, im modifying it to RTAI spec
[15:12:23] <NTU> the difference between adeos / xenomai / IPIPE vs. RTAI is only about 50 - 100 lines
[15:12:38] <CaptHindsight> is there a good howto on packaging for debian?
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[15:19:35] <cradek> https://wiki.debian.org/IntroDebianPackaging is really good, but is not going to be suitable for kernel or rtai stuff
[15:19:48] <cradek> for that, I'd sure start with seb's work
[15:20:03] <cradek> seb's and zultron's work
[15:20:06] <cradek> I think they worked together
[15:20:17] <cradek> they're both debian packaging experts
[15:20:29] <NTU> where is that? any idea?
[15:21:08] <cradek> all the corresponding source is in the linuxcnc.org deb repository
[15:21:19] <cradek> you should be able to use apt-get source the usual way
[15:21:21] <NTU> for rtai and kernel stuff i mean
[15:21:28] <cradek> yeah
[15:23:11] <CaptHindsight> I wanted to work on packages for the camview and openCV apps that work with linuxcnc
[15:23:14] <NTU> buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dists ?
[15:23:34] <cradek> no, linuxcnc.org
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[15:27:58] <memleak> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Debian_Lenny_Compile_RTAI#Building_the_kernel_packages
[15:27:59] <memleak> ?
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[15:28:27] <memleak> i know thats for lenny but a lot of those commands look like they could work with any debian-based distro of any release
[15:28:56] <memleak> $ dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc doesn't look hard at all
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[15:32:10] * memleak installs debian sid and builds debs
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[15:37:05] <CaptHindsight> will a 3.14 kernel work with Wheezy?
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[15:57:35] <CaptHindsight> rythmnbls: which distro are you using 3.14 RTAI with?
[15:57:46] <rythmnbls> my own, lfs based
[15:58:04] <seb_kuzminsky> this scrollback reminds me that i promised memleak to push my rtai deb repo someplace public, but never did
[15:58:16] <seb_kuzminsky> sorry!
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[15:58:20] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll try to remember to do it soon
[15:58:25] <NTU> thanks!
[15:58:31] <NTU> im installing wheezy right now
[15:59:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i do all my builds in pbuilder, so it almost doesn't matter what distro you do it on
[15:59:18] <NTU> oh awesome
[15:59:27] <NTU> i can build debs in gentoo?
[16:01:04] <NTU> ah chroot ftw!
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[16:10:09] <NTU> rythmnbls: I've built a CLFS system once, it was a lot of fun.
[16:10:55] <NTU> it actually ended up being quicker to write myself a bash script than it was to follow the documentation online command by command
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[16:23:00] <rythmnbls> NTU, its a great way to learn
[16:24:03] <NTU> thats how i did!
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[16:28:11] <kwallace> I contacted the author of freetype-py and asked if he planned on getting freetype-py included into the Debian distribution. He said that he knew nothing about getting into Debian, but seemed to agreeable to the idea. Has anyone done this sort of thing? Is it worth it? The reason I'm pursuing it is to play with truetype-tracer without having to improve my C skills.
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[16:28:43] <cradek> I wish I knew something about it, but I don't
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[16:34:01] <kwallace> Thanks. I can get by for now, which means I'll probably forget about it in a day or two.
[16:34:13] <cradek> :-/
[16:35:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i've started down the path of becoming an official debian developer with upload access several times (years ago), but it's stalled/fizzled out each time
[16:35:38] <jepler> if it's just for your personal edification, simply install the package with pypy and go about your business.
[16:36:01] <jepler> if you want it to gbe available to linuxcnc users, then it needs to have debian packaging, which is distinct from being "in debian"
[16:36:19] <jepler> .. if it's useful to our users in general, for instance because it's a dependency of some other software we ship, we can put it in our own debian archive
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[16:37:02] <jepler> the one is much easier than the other
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[17:39:17] <NTU> does anyone understand the magic to make deb-pkg?
[17:39:55] <NTU> it automatically built kernel .deb packages for me without the need of writing anything to debian/rules or anything
[17:40:30] <NTU> did debian develop an AI-based package manager?..
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[17:58:39] <jepler> kwallace: just for fun, here's a debian package of freetype-py aka python-freetype.
http://emergent.unpythonic.net/python-freetype
[17:59:37] <jepler> you can download the .deb file and install it with the package manager .. if we later want to make the package available from linuxcnc.org this is a first step in that direction
[18:00:36] <jepler> the other files are all source code
[18:00:47] <kwallace> Thank you. :)
[18:00:58] <jepler> the debian/rules for packaging a well-behaved python extension are very short, but you're not likely to intuit them on your own
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[18:02:39] <jepler> it was built on debian wheezy but the .deb looks likely to install on ubuntu as well (untested)
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[18:06:28] <NTU> make deb-pkg worked for my kernel
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[18:07:11] <NTU> 3.14.18 patched with IPIPE running on wheezy
[18:07:29] <NTU> i highly doubt rtai will be as much a breeze.
[18:09:02] <NTU> i have to get going and i wont be back for awhile, not sure when i'll have a chance to build RTAI debs
[18:09:03] <jepler> NTU: you could try stealing the debian/ goo from the existing package
[18:09:18] <NTU> there is no debian/* in RTAI
[18:09:30] <jepler> there is in the package on linuxcnc.org
[18:09:34] <NTU> oh there!
[18:09:52] <NTU> ill give it a whirl, i re-worked the build system of RTAI quite a bit
[18:10:24] <NTU> several thousand lines of autotools code destroyed, still trying to make it entirely Kconfig dependant
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[18:11:32] <NTU> i could also revert those commits and make it entirely autotools dependant. its really weird that RTAI supports both..
[18:11:51] <NTU> jepler i have to get going but i'd like your input on what to do with the RTAI build system
[18:12:01] <jepler> another time then
[18:12:31] <NTU> just imagine if the linux kernel was all done using ./configure
[18:12:58] <NTU> probably more scrollback than the terminal would support
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[18:21:55] <jepler> you must need a better terminal
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[18:26:39] <jepler> hm, I don't suppose there are yet any arm64 boards which are in the sub-$100 price range.
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[18:34:37] <PCW> the AMD A1100 MB is only 2999
[18:39:28] <PCW> Odroid with 5433?
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[19:36:02] <ju_emb> is there a simulation version of lcnc that runs on non rt kernel like the 3.13.0-35-generic that ships with ubuntu 14.04?
[19:36:22] <cradek> yes
[19:36:53] <ju_emb> great, can you give me a hint where to look
[19:38:35] <cradek> I'm not sure if 14.04 is more like precise or wheezy, but you can get them from deb
http://linuxcnc.org xxxxxx base 2.6-sim
[19:38:41] <cradek> where xxxxxx is wheezy or precise
[19:39:27] <cradek> or you can find lots of choices for bleeding edge -sim versions at buildbot.linuxcnc.org
[19:40:16] <ju_emb> ahh OK got it, scrolling down on the
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org start page has a link
[19:40:28] <ju_emb> I'll see
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[19:42:56] <ju_emb> OK seems there is no prebuilt one, I'll try make one
[19:44:27] <jepler> I think you're right
[19:45:18] <jepler> however, debian/configure has some lines for setting up to build a 14.04 package
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[19:54:54] <ju_emb> dpkg-checkbuilddeps asks for libgnomeprintui2.2-dev that doesnt exists, any idea what's the replacement ?
[19:55:37] <jepler> no replacement, that package doesn't exist anymore
[19:55:53] <jepler> (and no printing possible from classicladder anymore
[19:55:54] <jepler> )
[19:56:06] <jepler> I guess nobody's gotten around to fixing the build process to not require that on newer distros
[19:56:52] <ju_emb> ok installing the rest of dependencies and then I'll see what dpkg-checkbuilddeps say's
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[20:08:58] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i'm doing that as part of my never-ending debian/configure revamp
[20:09:53] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yay for the future being better than today
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[20:18:02] <jepler> you're going to ream src/configure too, right?
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[20:30:30] <ju_emb> congrats guys, great work
[20:30:33] <ju_emb> I got a working simulator on 14.04
[20:32:16] <PCW> RT works also
[20:33:14] <ju_emb> a few things :
[20:33:16] <ju_emb> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libgnomeprintui2.2-dev
[20:33:18] <ju_emb> but doesn't affect the build
[20:33:20] <ju_emb> ./configure --enable-simulator
[20:33:22] <ju_emb> complained about libtk-img but gives the hint to install it with
[20:33:24] <ju_emb> sudo apt-get install libtk-img
[20:33:26] <ju_emb> doing so the build runs fine and gives a working simulator
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[20:42:54] <tjtr33> jepler, hello, can you tell me the pcb mfctr you use for your designs?
[20:53:54] <jepler> tjtr33: recently I've used oshpark.com twice.
[20:54:07] <jepler> they're convenient for a us-based hobbyist
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[21:52:54] <jepler> > To do some of the things described here, you will need to be root. Beware! System managers hate giving users root access. Simple: get them to do the work instead. If they try to fob you off with security concerns, you need to get yourself a new system manager. Computers and networks are there to be used, not policed to extinction :-)
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[22:17:59] <seb_kuzminsky> ju_emb: src/configure detects that libgnomeprintui is absent and disables the parts of linuxcnc that need it
[22:18:20] <seb_kuzminsky> ju_emb: the only part of linuxcnc that needs it is the printing feature of classic ladder
[22:18:24] <seb_kuzminsky> so you're not missing much
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[22:50:20] <tjtr33> jepler thx!
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[23:31:24] <micges-dev> PCW: on which boards ICAP cookie is supported?
[23:32:46] <PCW> 5i25,5i24,7i90
[23:33:02] <micges-dev> hmm must be then old bitfile
[23:33:05] <PCW> (well 6i25 and 4I74 also)
[23:33:44] <PCW> bitfiles for 5i25 were updated about a week ago for 5I24 and 7I80 a couple days ago
[23:34:50] <PCW> not all bitfiles were updated (oddballs not in my batch files are still pre ICAP)
[23:35:13] <micges-dev> I use standard one standard
[23:35:18] <micges-dev> heh
[23:36:43] <micges-dev> anything serious can happed if I had 7i76x2 firmware in 6i25 and connected 7i77?
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[23:37:57] <andypugh> I know that the reverse is safe, my 6i25 came with a 7i76 and 7i77 firmware
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[23:40:53] <PCW> probably not (nothing can happen if the driver isnt run since all I/O will be inputs)
[23:40:54] <PCW> if you setup I/O for a miss matched daughter card, you will get a bus conflict,
[23:40:56] <PCW> typically this is harmless (Ive never seen damage from this and I make this mistake all the time
[23:40:57] <PCW> with my test cards
[23:42:02] <micges-dev> good to know
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