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[00:01:57] <jepler> micges-dev: my branch updated on your master branch
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[00:03:40] <jepler> micges-dev: if you don't want to apply a form of the last commit in my branch, I don't blame you
[00:04:10] <jepler> also I am sure my first commit doesn't build on windows, since there's no spidev, no ioctl, etc there. perhaps you have a windows machine where you're able to test.
[00:04:43] <micges-dev> jepler: create pr with only two commits with spi support (WIP and layer violations) and I'll merge it
[00:05:34] <PCW> 6i24 works.. jolly good!
[00:05:46] <micges-dev> jepler: no it's rather I can't fully follow your code
[00:07:22] <jepler> micges-dev: I updated my original pull request with just the one commit
https://github.com/micges/mesaflash/pull/3/ no layer violations
[00:07:55] <jepler> micges-dev: I am happy to discuss the code with you, if you have specific questions or specific revision suggestions.
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[00:08:16] <jepler> I wasn't sure I understood the structure of mesaflash well enough to add this correctly
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[00:08:46] <jepler> .. I was unsure of the division between spi_boards and spilbp, for instance
[00:09:04] <micges-dev> you fit in good
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[00:11:18] <micges-dev> spilbp was for hold all protocol details but that idea fade away
[00:11:43] <micges-dev> along with ethernet and lbp16 modifications
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[00:13:14] <jepler> I see, but only one thing communicates with the same bit stream as spi
[00:15:14] * jepler realizes he was just running mesaflash and linuxcnc at the same time
[00:15:22] <jepler> .. and nothing was overtly broken by doing that!?
[00:17:09] <jepler> micges-dev: thanks!
[00:17:16] <micges-dev> jepler: I don't understand sentence with 'same stream as spi'
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[00:20:17] <PCW> you can get away with running linuxcnc and mesaflash at the same time (sometimes, dont try writing the flash EEPROM for example)
[00:21:11] <jepler> micges-dev: I know that ethernet and serial can use the same byte stream for communication (lbp16), but today only spi uses its byte (word) stream
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[00:21:22] <jepler> that's all
[00:21:32] <jepler> it's not a problem to solve
[00:21:48] <micges-dev> ahh
[00:23:05] <PCW> Ether and serial are somewhat fancier protocols since they use a processor
[00:23:07] <PCW> (they share most of the same code)
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[00:25:00] <jepler> and is spi different because a processor doesn't fit in the fpga, or because the timing requirements of spi don't lend themselves to an embedded processor?
[00:25:39] <micges-dev> jepler: yeah it was added as a framework for spi code, I wasn't giving it's design much attention then
[00:48:19] <micges-dev> 'nite
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[00:52:20] <PCW> I guess mainly because with SPI (and EPP) you have such a low level hardware interface that a processor doesn't add much
[00:52:21] <PCW> and Ethernet for example would be a lot harder to do without a processor (and more FPGA resources)
[00:54:22] <PCW> Serial is somewhere in between, but its was easy to just take the Ethernet code and replace the MAC with a UART, get rid of the UDP
[00:54:23] <PCW> wrapper and other Ethernet support (like ARP) and add CRC checking
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[05:50:48] <NTU> jepler: kbuild rtai undefined variables are back, not sure why
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[14:21:49] <skunkworks> So - I grabbed one of the other motherboards that dad had (all the same asus model) and this one has been running all morning under 16us.
[14:22:01] <skunkworks> it does have a different processor (single core it seems)
[14:22:34] <skunkworks> running glxgears and streaming youtube video
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[14:28:04] <skunkworks> over a wifi usb dongle
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[15:31:05] <skunkworks> well it just jumped to 200us
[15:31:07] <skunkworks> darn
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[15:32:36] <micges-dev> skunkworks: jitter?
[15:32:43] <skunkworks> yes
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[15:34:02] <micges-dev> any specific setup or jus testing new mb?
[15:34:59] <skunkworks> well - this is hardware that is in our big mill and seems to run 10.04/rtai just fine.
[15:35:08] <skunkworks> testing with the debian hybrid iso.
[15:35:15] <micges-dev> ah ok
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[15:37:03] <skunkworks> just trying to see if I can figure out why.
[15:38:05] <pcw_home> preemt-rt might do better :-)
[15:38:21] <skunkworks> have not gotten that far yet :)
[15:39:52] <pcw_home> preemt-rt may have lower peak latency then 200k but latency has higher spectral density
[15:40:23] <skunkworks> sure - but normally maxes at 70us or so from my testing
[15:40:27] <pcw_home> must be something busted to get 200 K though
[15:41:15] <skunkworks> well - a lot of the onboard stuff is nvidia which probably doesn't help
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[15:41:28] <skunkworks> but I am running a ati video card
[15:42:00] <micges-dev> pcw_home: I got Asrock D1800 for tests
[15:42:51] <pcw_home> OK good that works reliably for me (though was a PITA to get it to boot linux the first time)
[15:42:57] <skunkworks> http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/M2N68AM_PLUS/specifications/
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[15:47:05] <pcw_home> I learned some pid-stepper tricks:
[15:47:06] <pcw_home> 1: P gain ~= servo thread frequency is a good rule of thumb
[15:47:08] <pcw_home> 2. I can get acceptable performance down to 250 Hz (meet ferror limit of .0002" at 1200 IPM/200IPS^2)
[15:52:50] <micges-dev> I didn't tried it yet, machine was busy
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[16:15:20] <jepler> this weekend I intend to see how far from working my little mill is (servos) and hopefully run the motors around with the u3
[16:16:10] <jepler> (I don't think I've run it for 2+ years at this point)
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[16:20:14] <pcw_home> That sounds like fun
[16:20:47] <cradek> having working machinery causes projects that need working machinery to happen
[16:20:56] <skunkworks> onboard video - 200us with rt-preemt
[16:21:01] <skunkworks> +
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[17:10:34] <memleak> RTAI + linuxcnc build scripts (source, no packages) part 1:
http://dpaste.com/3MZ80VQ.txt part 2:
http://dpaste.com/2YQPMKZ.txt part 3:
http://dpaste.com/07M3HVX.txt May use wget && chmod a+x on bash scripts
[17:13:50] <memleak> kernel is part 1, rtai userspace (/usr/realtime) is part 2, linuxcnc is part 3, skunkworks the default kernel config should boot on your system, its not quite as big as the debian / ubuntu config but should at least mount rootfs on most machines and distros
[17:14:23] <zq> hm
[17:14:31] <memleak> all networking drivers built as modules, all common SATA and PATA drivers built in, and full USB support
[17:15:01] <memleak> i had some trouble using the stock ubuntu and debian kernel configs due to no initrd
[17:15:39] <zq> how useful do you guys think an http version of the rs274 interpreter would be?
[17:15:42] <memleak> once seb_kuzminsky posts his rtai package building instructions (if he already has i cant find them) ill build .debs using my shiny new RTAI tree
[17:16:21] <memleak> (with full blown kernel + initial ramfs)
[17:17:25] <memleak> things that are missing is full I2C I20 and some other busses
[17:17:40] <memleak> drm modesetting works + gpu accel, etc.
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[17:23:07] <memleak> you may need to uninstall the linuxcnc package first in order to use the rip-environment binaries, you can fall back to /usr/bin by closing and opening a new terminal window and installing linuxcnc package again via synaptic
[17:24:37] <memleak> one thing i can do too is create a tarball to decompress to / and overwrite system-wide linuxcnc + RTAI but thats not safe.
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[18:13:56] <jepler> memeak: no, don't do that. geez wtf
[18:14:17] <jepler> memleak:
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[18:31:23] <skunkworks> rt-preempt has been running for a few hours at 60us...
[18:32:13] <skunkworks> tab complete getting lazy?
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[18:34:35] <NTU> heh jepler..
[18:36:54] <NTU> ./configure --prefix=/usr && make PREFIX=output install && tar output to file && tar zxf rtai_and_linuxcnc.tar.gz -C /
[18:37:04] <NTU> its not _THAT_ deadly
[18:37:21] <NTU> simple apt-get reinstall <package> reverts it (mostly.)
[18:38:08] <cradek> that's fine to do to your own system, but unfortunately people will often do the thing you tell them, so be sure to tell people only good ideas
[18:38:30] <NTU> thats how gentoo works..
[18:38:48] <NTU> and archlinux
[18:39:23] <NTU> arch is configure to /usr install to folder and compress to package
[18:39:26] <cradek> whether gentoo does a thing and whether that thing is a good idea to advise are different
[18:40:18] <NTU> but yet again archlinux is unstable as hell.. so you're probably right come to think of it
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[18:58:24] <PCW> micges-dev: hm2-ser card name fixed
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[18:58:54] <micges-dev> thanks
[18:59:11] <PCW> (well all of space 7 fixed it had a off-by-one error)
[18:59:16] <skunkworks> rt_preempt seems to work as expected
[19:00:13] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 052.6 ed090f8 06linuxcnc 10lib/python/gladevcp/tooledit_widget.py 10src/emc/usr_intf/gmoccapy/gmoccapy.glade 10src/emc/usr_intf/gmoccapy/gmoccapy.py 10src/emc/usr_intf/gmoccapy/release_notes.txt gmoccapy_1_2_2 - support now also matchbox-keyboard * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ed090f8
[19:03:04] <PCW> fixed bit file
[19:03:06] <PCW> freeby.mesanet.com/7i90_ser_justio.bit
[19:03:37] <micges-dev> got it
[19:08:08] <micges-dev> it's working
[19:08:22] <micges-dev> even space 6 data are correct
[19:08:45] <micges-dev> packets received: all 52, good 51, bad 0
[19:08:45] <micges-dev> packets sended: all 51, good 51, bad 0
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[19:23:00] <PCW> I'll eventually fix the hm2-ser code so it gets the name from the IDROM
[19:25:10] <micges-dev> good idea
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[22:33:20] <jepler> micges-dev: verifying ROM still worked, I assume it's fine
[22:34:09] <micges-dev> that's good, thanks
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[23:13:54] <kwallace> If I recall correctly, the text engraving software on the wiki uses a scale value to set the text size. I would like to find a method to use a height value for let's say cap A, then calculate the scale value in the background. It comes to mind that I could just simulate plotting an A, find the Y extent and successively approximate the scale that gives me what I want. Does anyone know a better way?
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