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[00:00:16] <skunkworks_> yycfv neat
[00:00:19] <skunkworks_> neat
[00:01:04] <jepler> PCW: do I need to not only cs_change but ensure a long-enough delay with cs deasserted?
[00:01:27] <jepler> something about a 50us timeout right?
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[00:07:47] <jepler> whee, merges nicely with seb's watchdog branch, which cuts a good 20us off every period
[00:08:31] <jepler> and I guess about 60us off of tmax
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[00:58:41] <pcw_home> the 50 usec cs deasserted delay resets the burst state machine
[01:00:02] <pcw_home> shorter cs de-assertions just clear the bit count
[01:01:25] <pcw_home> I think a zero length read on Ethernet will set the parse error bit
[01:01:44] <pcw_home> the SPI stuff is not that smart
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[01:05:01] <pcw_home> I have not (and I doubt if anyone else) tried the tppwmgen with Ethernet
[01:05:20] <pcw_home> I did try the resolver module the other day
[01:08:25] <pcw_home> I patched the stepgen for DPLL sampling but dont have a bit file yet
[01:08:26] <pcw_home> I think I will make the latched stepgen position logic conditional on the DPLL being present
[01:08:28] <pcw_home> since its a lot of wasted FPGA space for the 32 bit latches if not used
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[01:26:19] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: someone on a debian mailing list mentioned in passing that by making documentation building part of the arch-indep part, it can be skipped on slower architectures like arm
[01:26:32] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I'll look into this if I get a chance, but thought you might be interested to know
[01:28:09] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: so if monkeyed properly, dpkg-buildpackage -b would build everything, -B just the arch-dependent stuff (linuxcnc) and -A the arch-independent stuff (docs)
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[02:09:49] <cradek> jthornton: would you fix another spam?
[02:09:59] <cradek> umm I'll send you the url in private I guess
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[06:45:36] <memfrob> i heard jepler was working on ARM?
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[07:17:28] <memfrob> heh i just realize the cubieboard2 is in the official uboot tree now..
[07:17:48] <memfrob> (as with AHCI support ive been digging for)
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[10:46:16] <jthornton> nuked him!
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[11:56:58] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Thornton 052.6 fab3679 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/overview.txt Docs: a more precise description of 5420-5428 * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fab3679
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[12:35:55] <jepler> jthornton: thanks and thanks
[12:37:28] <jepler> I wonder why hardkernel decided to use the SPI1 interface when SPI0 is the one with a nice deep pair of FIFOs
[12:37:31] <jepler> oh well
[12:38:19] <linuxcnc-build> build #1886 of 4008.deb-precise-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed shell_1] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4008.deb-precise-amd64/builds/1886 blamelist: John Thornton <jthornton@gnipsel.com>
[12:39:19] <jepler> .. another overnight with good latency, so that's 12 hours at 2kHz
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[12:50:51] <skunkworks> jepler, yay!
[12:51:01] <skunkworks> that was quite a lot of work
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[12:51:33] <jepler> skunkworks: it gave me something to do in my spare time
[12:51:39] <skunkworks> heh
[12:51:59] <skunkworks> jepler, does that have onboard memory? or how are you installing the os?
[12:54:16] <skunkworks> it looks like it has emmc module socke or micorsd?
[12:54:33] <jepler> skunkworks: the hardkernel devices have a socket for a high-speed flash module (emmc) and a micro sd card slot
[12:54:47] <jepler> skunkworks: the emmc modules come with an adapter to microsd
[12:55:25] <jepler> it's pretty convenient right up until you hide it under an expansion board
[12:55:56] <skunkworks> heh
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[13:17:51] <JT-Shop> jepler, your welcome
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[14:01:20] <seb_kuzminsky> i thought i had fixed the apt permissions problem, guess not
[14:01:32] <seb_kuzminsky> btw, hi again, i'm back after another weekend of camping with hippies
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[14:03:28] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: welcome back. have a shower.
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[14:08:55] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: thanks! this place actually had hot showers. it was decadent
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[14:15:54] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.6 0000.checkin
[14:15:55] <linuxcnc-build> build #2382 forced
[14:15:55] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[14:16:36] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler:
http://highlab.com/~seb/monarch-lake.jpg
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[14:17:44] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: nice. I just spent the weekend cooped up watching halscope.
[14:19:43] <seb_kuzminsky> that sounds like a different kind of nice :-)
[14:20:26] <seb_kuzminsky> at one point i had to go hide from the hippies and flash an SD card for one of my little arm boards. it was therapeutic
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[14:25:04] <jepler> hah
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[14:59:42] <seb_kuzminsky> if there are no further issues with PR 6 i request that it be merged into master
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[15:05:08] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I ran with it this weekend and saw that it was good
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[15:12:36] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build 0000.checkin #2382 is complete: Success [3build successful]
[15:12:36] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/2382
[15:20:08] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: cool
[15:20:18] <seb_kuzminsky> and you got spi working with good latency, that's awesome
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[15:22:30] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe the rt-preempt people would be interested in your spi patchset, even if the up==mainline kernel folks are not (yet)?
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[15:35:33] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yeah I've started a thread on linux-rt-users.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.rt.user/12497
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[15:38:43] <jepler> hm it looks like the SPI unit may be driven by a 96MHz clock, making the highest to rates available 24MHz and 48MHz
[15:38:57] <jepler> too bad I can't directly retrieve the clock actually used .. though I could instrument the kernel to print it, I think
[15:39:28] <jepler> if I unhooked the 7i90 I could scope the clock easily enough
[15:39:31] <jepler> tonight
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[15:47:09] <jepler> and requesting 50MHz (probably getting 48MHz) doesn't work.. no big surprise, that's beyond the level translator's spec
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[16:11:29] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 9fa7053 06linuxcnc Merge branch 'seb/master/hm2-watchdog' of
https://github.com/SebKuzminsky/linuxcnc-mirror * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fa7053
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[16:29:18] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: do you want to do any review of hm2_spi before I merge it to master?
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[16:38:13] <seb_kuzminsky> i donno... does the PR come with a spi level translator board? ;-)
[16:39:04] <cradek> you two making github pull requests for each other seems a bit masturbatory
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[16:43:32] <skunkworks> wow :)
[16:43:48] <memfrob> what skunkworks said
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[16:45:23] <seb_kuzminsky> just trying to fit in with the cool kids
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[16:45:59] <seb_kuzminsky> http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/How-Do-You-Do-Fellow-Kids-Reaction-Gif-Steve-Buscemi.gif
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[16:59:51] <zq> is it just me or is that camera simply gorgeous
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[17:11:05] <lair82_> Hello Guys, popped this question on the user chat, no feedback. I am getting this fault when trying to start from the comand line.
[17:11:12] <lair82_> "initialize: module '/home/cinci12mo/linuxcnc/python/toplevel.py' init failed: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/home/cinci12mo/linuxcnc/python/toplevel.py", line 1, in <module> import remap ImportError: No module named remap"
[17:13:38] <memfrob> does the hm2 driver work with rtnet or without it?
[17:13:44] <memfrob> i.e. does it work with preempt_rt
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[17:14:49] <pcw_home> currently ist works with Preemt-rt and normal sockets
[17:15:05] <memfrob> oh ok perfect
[17:15:32] <CaptHindsight> are the 7i90's back in stock?
[17:16:16] <pcw_home> rt-net seems to have been abandoned
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[17:16:44] <pcw_home> 7I90s', I think so
[17:20:45] <pcw_home> store shows 18 in stock
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[17:26:57] <CaptHindsight> thanks
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[18:07:21] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/proposed-master 70bb120 06linuxcnc 10src/Makefile 03src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hm2_spi.c hostmot2: support boards on spi interface * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=70bb120
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[18:11:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master fa91a4b 06linuxcnc Merge commit 'deb7aa4' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa91a4b
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[18:53:43] <CaptHindsight> jepler: how long is the boot up time on the odroid from power-on to boot prompt?
[18:53:59] <jepler> CaptHindsight: with the e-mmc running their ubuntu 14.04, it's something like 15s
[18:53:59] <CaptHindsight> sorry to login
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[18:54:52] <CaptHindsight> memleak just got SATA going on the cubie2 \0/
[18:54:56] <jepler> oh nice
[18:55:41] <CaptHindsight> I though I already had a 7i90 but I didn't order one yet
[18:57:47] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: so the 7i90 can connect via epp and spi. should the hal pin name reflect the connection method (hm2_7i90spi.0.xxx) or not (hm2_7i90.0.xxx)?
[18:58:08] <jepler> I think the chances of a machine with an EPP bus and an SPI bus are low, and the chances of putting a hm2_7i90 on both of them lower still
[19:06:43] <jepler> .. so a shorter name seems good
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[19:06:55] <jepler> or I could call them hm2_spi.0 and not say the board's marketing name at all
[19:08:44] <jepler> that's what mesa products need: code names. The Mesa 7i90 "devourer of worlds" .. or maybe a naming theme like "cities between the 37th and 39 north parallels", giving us the Mesa 7i25 "Athens"
[19:09:35] <cradek> 5i20: "grumpy old man who thinks color tv is a fad"
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[19:21:20] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i suppose it's *possible* to load hm2_7i90 and hm2_spi and have the last-to-load one fail to make the hal objects it wants because of name collissions
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[19:40:21] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: it seems pretty unlikely for this pair of drivers
[19:40:43] <seb_kuzminsky> mmmmaybe
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[19:57:02] <jepler> anyone spot typos or have improvements to suggest?
http://paste.debian.net/118994/
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[19:57:53] <seb_kuzminsky> i spot one: hm2_spi - LinuxCNC HAL driver for the Mesa Electronics Ethernet Any‐
[19:58:02] <jepler> ooh yup
[19:59:08] <seb_kuzminsky> hm2_spi doesn't run under rtai because there's no way to talk to spi stack from kernel space?
[19:59:15] <jepler> actually you could
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[19:59:42] <seb_kuzminsky> "that's not what the docs say, buddy"
[19:59:58] <jepler> the docs say what you can do
[20:00:01] <jepler> for a user
[20:00:11] <seb_kuzminsky> we should probably put a u3 kernel deb on wlo
[20:00:24] <seb_kuzminsky> hm2_spi is only available when linuxcnc is configured with "uspace"
[20:00:27] <jepler> a developer who was skilled and read for 10 minutes could learn how to make it into a kernel driver
[20:00:39] <jepler> yes, that statement's accurate
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[20:00:45] <jepler> the driver wouldn't work as-is in kernel space
[20:00:50] <seb_kuzminsky> ok i get it
[20:00:54] <jepler> but it could be made to work, by a developer
[20:01:02] <seb_kuzminsky> i've heard of them
[20:01:23] <jepler> "several chip select line"
[20:01:59] <jepler> not sure (A) how common multiple-CS SPI devices are or (B) whether that paragraph is clear
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[20:26:05] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yes I would like to get a proper u3 kernel deb online somewhere. so far I think I'm building them the wrong way (cross-compiling from a kernel source tree with make-kpkg)
[20:26:46] <jepler> also I'm using ubuntu and would like to switch to debian
[20:27:07] <jepler> and I should figure out whether I can make opengl work well
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[20:28:37] <jepler> (I use the odroid all via ssh, not from the console)
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[20:37:03] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm running wheezy on mine
[20:37:23] <seb_kuzminsky> i also used make-kpkg because i'm a lazy bastard
[20:37:45] <seb_kuzminsky> but i wonder how much work it would be to make my rtai/linux/misc builder thingy work on arm
[20:39:52] <seb_kuzminsky> the u3 boots with uboot in flash, right? and it loads zImage and uInitrd from the vfat partition on /boot?
[20:39:56] <seb_kuzminsky> how is uInitrd made?
[20:40:20] <jepler> umm
[20:40:43] <jepler> I think that installing the kernel package makes a uInitrd
[20:41:09] <seb_kuzminsky> you made a linux-image.deb with make-kpkg and installed it and rebooted and everything just worked? neat...
[20:41:17] <jepler> nah I had to rebuild boot.scr by hand
[20:41:37] <jepler> hmm did I build uInitrd from initrd.img?
[20:41:39] <jepler> I may have
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[20:42:23] <jepler> mkimage -A arm -O linux -T ramdisk -C none -a 0 -e 0 -n initramfs -d ./initramfs-$kernelversion ./uInitrd
[20:42:26] <jepler> yeah something like this
[20:42:34] <jepler> so no, it's not automatic
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[20:44:01] <jepler> biggest pain was, each time I got it wrong the only way I knew how to solve it was by pulling the emmc, mounting on a real linux machine, and putting back the old working boot.scr
[20:44:12] <jepler> I had mislaid the serial console cable so I couldn't talk to it pre-linux
[20:44:26] <jepler> I think if I had had the cable, I would have been able to interrupt uboot's automatic boot
[20:45:55] <jepler> This branch is 99956 commits ahead, 3981 commits behind hardkernel:odroid-3.0.y
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[20:53:51] <jepler> I wonder if I should put out a call for maintainers of xlinuxcnc
[20:54:00] <jepler> I'm sure nobody would show up, and then we could delete it
[20:57:47] <cradek> I know it's missing some features, but is it broken?
[20:57:54] <jepler> no
[20:59:16] <jepler> it's just that, after deleting rtlinux and rtai 24.x I am all delete-happy
[20:59:32] <jepler> I can't stop thinking about where I'll score my next deletion
[20:59:37] <cradek> maybe you should sit down for a bit
[20:59:48] <jepler> party pooper
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[21:42:25] <jepler> [95626.251480] [sched_delayed] sched: RT throttling activated
[21:42:29] <jepler> this is a new one
[21:43:35] <jepler> a series of weird things happened actually..
http://paste.debian.net/119013/
[21:44:33] <jepler> tmaxes didn't actually increase
[21:44:37] <jepler> or not by much
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