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[00:18:31] <jepler> skunkworks: this seems to be an emotional topic for you
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[00:20:09] <skunkworks> jepler: a little girl too close to a keyboard...
[00:20:16] <skunkworks> :)
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[00:47:05] <cradek> I think on the linuxcnc side (not counting the hardware to read them) absolute encoders would just work. before machine on, command already follows feedback so you can move the machine manually, and isn't it exactly like that?
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[00:47:49] <cradek> I think I have an abs encoder in my junk box, but I have no idea how to read it
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[02:10:13] <skunkworks> logger[psha]:
[02:11:01] <skunkworks> cradek: I am pretty sure mesa hardware now has support for some abs encoders..
[02:12:22] <cradek> then I wonder why we always wonder whether it works
[02:14:06] <skunkworks> maybe it's just you that wonders? (I don't know how far along things are but I know peter has some working...)
[02:14:09] <skunkworks> ;)
[02:19:45] <NTU> would it make any sense for latency to be any better when flashed into EFI? my motherboard allows booting from EFI files, all i need to do is rebuild my MBR and enable EFI stub support in kernel
[02:20:51] <cradek> skunkworks: you might be right
[02:21:12] <jepler> NTU: what makes you think that anyone can deduce the answer from first principles, descartes style?
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[02:24:09] <NTU> you lost me..
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[02:24:41] <NTU> i was just thinking, because coreboot can help with latency, why not EFI?
[02:24:44] <jepler> "I think you're gonna have to try it if you really wana know"
[02:24:48] <NTU> ok
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[02:33:45] <pcw_home> "<seb_kuzminsky> PCW_: could you attach your hm2 stepper pid config to #392 on sf? "
[02:33:46] <pcw_home> where would that be?
[02:36:14] <skunkworks> pcw_home: you have some absolute encoders working with your hardware?
[02:36:15] <jepler> pcw_home: sourceforge.net I think he means
[02:36:42] <jepler> pcw_home:
http://sourceforge.net/p/emc/bugs/392/
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[02:37:55] <jepler> pcw_home: you may or may not be permitted to add an attachment to that bug after logging in to sourceforge. if yo udon't see an 'add attachment' link on that page next to the 'post' button after logging in (or if you don't have an account) then e-mail me or send me a url for the config .zip and I'll add it.
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[02:40:09] <jepler> cradek: it sounds like what you're really saying is that you need an absolute encoder to test with linuxcnc
[02:41:25] <skunkworks> he said he has one...
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[02:44:19] <pcw_home> I have tried SSI and Fanuc serial and they both work under linuxcnc
[02:44:52] <pcw_home> the BISS firmware is known to work but I dont have a BISS encoder to try with linuxcnc
[02:45:22] <cradek> it just comes up at the right location, and you only have to disable homing?
[02:45:33] <cradek> (that's what I'd expect)
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[02:46:05] <jepler> I must have missed the start of the conversation then
[02:49:00] <pcw_home> I would think that also (not sure if emulated index is implemented for them however_
[02:50:06] <pcw_home> http://freeby.mesanet.com/pidstep.zip
[02:50:38] <pcw_home> is a pid run stepgen config
[02:51:06] <jepler> pcw_home: added to the sf bug, thanks
[02:51:19] <pcw_home> (SF had no add file option for me)
[03:00:30] <pcw_home> I will try an absolute encoder linuxcnc setup some time next week (at least 1 axis)
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[03:23:51] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/download
[03:25:05] <skunkworks> 'burning iso' should go here
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.6/html/common/Getting_LinuxCNC.html#_burning_the_cd
[03:25:36] <skunkworks> not
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/Getting_EMC.html#_burning_the_cd
[03:27:44] <skunkworks> atleast That is what I think anyway...
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[03:43:22] <cradek> pcw_home: the encoder I have is marked HENGSTLER 0 566 878 Ge No. 3242727-3 5VDC=/0.2A and has a clearly marked DB25 with UIN, GND, and D0..D16
[03:43:43] <cradek> pcw_home: it's yours if it would be useful for linuxcnc testing
[03:44:08] <pcw_home> Ahh a parallel (Garay code) encoder
[03:44:13] <pcw_home> Gray
[03:44:47] <cradek> oh really - that's a lot of IO isn't it
[03:44:57] <pcw_home> I have SSI and several Fanuc encoders I can test with
[03:45:54] <pcw_home> well 17 bits (probably multiturn)
[03:48:29] <pcw_home> SSI encoders are little more that a parallel Gray code encoder and a shift register
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[03:50:49] <cradek> so just like this one, but with an extra part to reduce the IO requirements
[03:50:57] <pcw_home> Yep
[03:51:02] <cradek> ok, I'll put it back in the box of doom if you don't need it :-)
[03:51:46] <pcw_home> I already have the cabling for the SSI and Fanuc so they are easier to deal with
[03:53:20] <pcw_home> the SSI one I have is easier to use the the Fanuc since it needs no battery
[03:53:35] <pcw_home> than the
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[03:55:27] <pcw_home> (uses a gear driven encoder disc or so for the multiturn part)
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[05:45:59] <NTU> damn this thing boots fast now!
[05:46:31] <NTU> i think im starting to like EFI..
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[12:16:54] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: unfortunately your latest github pull request still sends 3 packets from pc to 7i80 every period
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[12:27:06] <jepler> err hold on
[12:27:55] <jepler> now I think it's right
[12:28:22] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: do you want me to merge it?
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[12:30:42] <jepler> for some reason I expect the arrow to be reversed in tcpdump when receiving a packet. my expectation is always wrong.
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[13:11:25] <jthornton> I think I lost connection just when I posed this if not my apologies for double posting
[13:11:27] <jthornton> I know there has been a lot of restructuring in the nc_files directory for 2.6 and it seems like it might have messed up some paths in some sample configs
http://pastebin.com/ibZ4kWtA
[13:11:49] <jepler> jthornton: yes there's a problem with lathe-fanucy
[13:12:01] <jepler> jthornton: either dgarr or andy (I forget whom) has posted an untested patch
[13:12:21] <jthornton> ok, thanks
[13:12:40] <jthornton> I don't even know what the lathe-fanucy is
[13:12:53] <jepler> http://mid.gmane.org/CAN1%2BYZWkqPA13R_L2uitStD1LTGw%2BYfPnTwQCFJZf6a1em4J6Q%40mail.gmail.com
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[13:13:36] <jepler> the problem is only seen when you use a package version of linuxcnc, as far as I'm aware; if you know how to test that, and can confirm it fixes it, that would be good information
[13:13:45] <jepler> I think it's about a certain way to specify tool numbers, like fanuc does
[13:14:00] <jepler> where tool numbers like T100700300 are found to be helpful to some people for some reason
[13:14:17] <jthornton> oh yea the wear offsets thing
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[14:10:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/proposed-master 7cf9b4a 06linuxcnc 10(8 files in 5 dirs) rtapi: remove support for rtlinux 3.x * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cf9b4a
[14:10:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/proposed-master fcbffd5 06linuxcnc 10scripts/rtapi.conf.in 10src/configure.in rtapi: drop support for rtai "24.x" * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=fcbffd5
[14:10:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/proposed-master acf4d86 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in rtapi: drop support for alternate math libs * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=acf4d86
[14:10:36] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05jepler/proposed-master b491c10 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in configure: drop never-used RTAI3_MOD variable * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b491c10
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[14:39:24] <pcw_home> The effects of control Z are rather more severe on uspace than RTAI!
[14:41:01] <jepler> pcw_home: I cargo-cult copied code from ubc3 which is supposed to "prevent stopping of RT threads by ^Z" but apparently it doesn't work
[14:41:07] <jepler> // prevent stopping of RT threads by ^Z
[14:41:07] <jepler> sigaction(SIGTSTP, &sig_act, (struct sigaction *) NULL);
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[14:41:52] <pcw_home> yeah stops the whole show
[14:42:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/lftest 91f2c7c 06linuxcnc 10(5 files) lathe-fanucy: conform for pickconfig * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=91f2c7c
[14:42:26] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/lftest 47435e1 06linuxcnc 10(5 files in 4 dirs) tooledit: allow specification of toolno range * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=47435e1
[14:42:46] <dgarr> will test a buildbot deb later
[14:43:24] <pcw_home> I guess its not really an issue except when run from a terminal
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[14:57:14] <jepler> pcw_home: right
[14:57:29] <jepler> it can still print stuff to the terminal (stdout/stderr are open on it) but it's not affected by the tty stop signal
[14:57:36] <jepler> because the terminal is not the controlling tty
[14:58:01] <jepler> (and now we've gone about 75% beyond my actual understanding of terminals in unix)
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[17:02:04] <dgarr1> andypugh: tested buildbot deb (precise/scratch-sim) for lathe-fanucy fixups (for pickconfig and tooledit using -min and -max) linuxcnc-uspace-dev_2.7.0~pre0~dgarr.lftest~47435e1_i386.deb -- works for me (rip and deb)
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[17:22:47] <cradek> yay, thanks dgarr
[17:24:44] <cradek> oops I think that fix should be based on 2.6, since lathe-fanucy is in 2.6 already
[17:26:40] <cradek> well the config fix should surely go in 2.6 - the tooledit changes probably need seb's review
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[18:44:25] <dgarr1> cradek: the lathe-fanucy config is andy's, i just wanted to make sure the patches that i suggested work in both rip and deb, i don't know if they function as he wants
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[22:05:11] <jepler> dgarr: re your patch
[22:05:11] <jepler> +# for use in axis.py:
[22:05:11] <jepler> +proc remove_edit_tooltable_offsets {} {
[22:05:12] <jepler> + .menu.file delete [.menu.file index "*Edit tool table offsets*"]
[22:05:20] <jepler> this will not work when the menu text is translated
[22:06:37] <jepler> so far I had tried to engineer it so that this particular thing didn't need to happen .. for instance, for nontrivkins machines there are three menu items to be deleted .. but they're last in their menus
[22:06:56] <jepler> in the more general case, what you actually need to do is delete a menu item with a specific command, because that won't change by internationalization
[22:08:24] <jepler> it looks like it encourages you to invoke tooledit twice at the same time on the same tool file. does that actually work?
[22:09:25] <jepler> anyway, on the whole I don't think that's a change that's appropriate for 2.6, unlike the work of fixing a config that doesn't work at all in the package version
[22:09:47] <jepler> # generic support code
[22:09:48] <jepler> -PATH_APPEND=../nc_files/remap_lib/python-stdglue/
[22:09:48] <jepler> +PATH_APPEND=../../nc_files/remap_lib/python-stdglue/
[22:10:10] <jepler> also the test needs to include whether or not the remappy stuff works in both cases
[22:10:39] <jepler> I worry that each path is right for just one of {copied,rip}
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[23:30:40] <jepler> (er, it's for trivkins machines the menu items need to be deleted)
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