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[01:39:07] <jepler> two more notes about fldl (%edi): I think I may have over-minimized the set of cflags that led to the problem. some versions load edi with an appropriate value then use fldl (%edi)
[01:39:23] <jepler> though I don't know why; it's a longer sequence than fldl 0x8(%ebp)
[01:39:39] <jepler> second note, it doesn't seem to happen with gcc 4.7.3 (debian testing)
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[01:39:51] <jepler> so it may be a fixed problem, just not fixed in debian stable :-/
[01:41:57] <jepler> also I think I was mistaken when I said I saw the same problem in debian gcc 4.6.3
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[01:49:13] <jepler> aha, here's the same problem in the gcc bugzilla:
https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=55940
[01:49:30] <jepler> bad code generated using %edi to access a parameter
[01:49:55] <jepler> for some reason triggered with -m32 -Os -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2
[01:51:02] <jepler> oh and -mregparm=3
[01:51:13] <jepler> and yes, they believe it's fixed in 4.7.3, which agrees with my testing
[01:51:20] <jepler> cradek: congrats, it really was a gcc ug!
[01:51:21] <jepler> er, bug
[01:51:26] <cradek> yay, I guess
[01:51:30] <cradek> thanks for figuring it all out
[01:51:35] <jepler> heh I was invoked by name
[01:51:38] <jepler> I had to defend my honor
[01:51:39] <jepler> bbl
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[03:39:32] <memleak> seb_kuzminsky, it was a suggestion for those having problems building linuxcnc with gcc
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[12:19:51] <cradek> good job, whoever always gets the forum spams deleted so fast, thank you
[12:20:49] <alex_joni> must be JT
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[14:26:08] <cradek> pcw_home: > I think the multi RTOS parts of ubc are going to be merged in 2.7
[14:26:22] <cradek> pcw_home: are you working on this? I'd love for it to happen but I don't know of anyone working on it.
[14:36:43] <archivist> memleak mentioned he would look at pulling some out for merging the other day
[14:39:05] <cradek> that would be great
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[14:45:30] <cradek> if I was doing that, I would try to understand the final result and generate a coherent and minimal set of changes from that, instead of trying to understand (and keep) the git history
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[14:57:09] <pcw_home> <seb_kuzminsky> at some point (hopefully in the 2.7 development cycle) we'll see what we can do about those other realtime kernels
[14:57:11] <pcw_home> I guess I interpreted this a bit optimistically
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[15:05:47] <skunkworks> I am optimistic :)
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[15:17:57] * seb_kuzminsky notes that invoking jepler's name makes magic happen...
[15:18:14] <skunkworks> is it just once - or 3 times?
[15:18:18] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[15:18:39] <skunkworks> jepler, I only have the wine left..
[15:19:45] <skunkworks> I enjoyed all but 2 of the beers... (2 got shared with friends..)
[15:20:51] <pcw_home> but a beer shared is a beer enjoyed :-)
[15:20:56] <skunkworks> exactly
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[15:46:09] <pcw_home> seb_kuzminsky: still interested in the 6 axis Hbridge for your robot arm?
[15:46:11] <pcw_home> I have a 7I54 proto, working but with a few patches that I can send you if you like
[15:47:00] <pcw_home> (7I54 is 6 axis 3A 40V HBridge, 6 encoder inputs)
[15:48:02] <skunkworks> hmm - I think the puma has 300w servos..
[15:48:15] <skunkworks> or is it 600w
[15:48:22] <skunkworks> wonder where I have that info
[15:49:30] <pcw_home> This is just for tiny motors
[15:49:51] <skunkworks> I guess :)
[15:50:23] <pcw_home> 3A peak at 40V is for maybe a 30-40W motor max
[15:52:26] <pcw_home> 300W seems about right for the Puma
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[15:59:26] <jepler> skunkworks: glad you enjoyed and shared
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[16:00:48] <jepler> skunkworks: did you have a favorite? and if so, did it have a label so you knew what it was?
[16:09:31] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: ooh, yes please!
[16:11:51] <pcw_home> OK will send (It needs a 7I48 pinout bit file)
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[16:18:42] <skunkworks> they all where good - the one that stands out is the only one in the can...
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[16:23:02] <seb_kuzminsky> my robot arm has 12V, 2A servos
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[16:27:40] <pcw_home> If they are 2A continuous the 7I54 may be a bit undersized but should work
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[17:08:59] <seb_kuzminsky> i like the new patch from Tran Ngoc Quan better than the previous one
[17:09:07] <seb_kuzminsky> does anyone know which of our platfgorms have /usr/bin/see?
[17:10:20] <pcw_home> Ubuntu 12.04 has it
[17:10:36] <seb_kuzminsky> wheezy has it
[17:11:01] <seb_kuzminsky> hardy has it
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[17:11:12] <archivist> 8.04 has something aliased to the name
[17:11:14] <seb_kuzminsky> and lucid has it
[17:11:25] <archivist> run-mailcap, see, edit, compose, print - execute programs via entries in the mailcap file
[17:11:46] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, /usr/bin/see is an alias for mime-support's run-mailcap
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[17:12:23] <archivist> I did a "man see" on this old box
[17:12:23] <seb_kuzminsky> we already use it for our pdf doc shortcuts
[17:13:47] <seb_kuzminsky> guess that means we should depend on mime-support too
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[17:32:31] <IchGuckLive> hi someone can make me a new page on the
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org Steppers and Ballscrew combin
[17:32:48] <IchGuckLive> im not getting behind that system ;-)
[17:32:59] <IchGuckLive> i can edit a page but not generate a new
[17:33:33] <seb_kuzminsky> IchGuckLive: you can create new pages by just going to them:
[17:33:35] <seb_kuzminsky> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?SteppersAndBallscrews
[17:34:29] <IchGuckLive> thanks
[17:35:00] <seb_kuzminsky> sure
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[17:38:33] <IchGuckLive> isent the mascot pingu
[17:39:26] <skunkworks> chips
[17:39:43] <IchGuckLive> ok
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[18:17:58] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: I use "see" all the time. I even have a custom mailcap so it does what I want. Using that is an appealing idea.
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[18:57:42] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: good to hear, thanks
[18:57:59] <seb_kuzminsky> you want it in 2.5?
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[19:02:10] <cradek> nah
[19:02:15] <seb_kuzminsky> k
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[19:02:15] <cradek> no need, I bet
[19:06:08] <pcw_home> see is busted in precise (mailcap broken when you add imagemagic)
[19:06:58] <seb_kuzminsky> whoops
[19:11:20] <seb_kuzminsky> on my precise system (with imagemagick installed), "see gcode.html" ends up running /usr/bin/sensible-browser
[19:11:39] <seb_kuzminsky> (i found this out by running "see --norun --debug gcode.html")
[19:12:37] <seb_kuzminsky> sensible-browser runs $BROWSER if set, and falls back to gnome-www-browser, then x-www-browser, then "terminal-emulator www-browser"
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[19:13:37] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: what happens when you run 'see gcode.html' on your busted system?
[19:15:01] <pcw_home> Same thing, but I had patched mailcap
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[19:15:31] <pcw_home> does see something.png work for you?
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[19:22:24] <seb_kuzminsky> checking...
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[19:23:34] <seb_kuzminsky> i think if it works for .html and .pdf, with an unmodified mailcap, then we're fine
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[19:28:27] <seb_kuzminsky> "see foo.html" pops up firefox
[19:28:45] <seb_kuzminsky> "see foo.png" pops up something called gThumb, which shows the png
[19:31:46] <pcw_home> maybe the imagemagic package was fixed in the interim (I must have installed it a long time ago)
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[19:36:29] <seb_kuzminsky> i have version 8:6.6.9.7-5ubuntu3.2 on my machine
[19:36:39] <seb_kuzminsky> that's even more of a mouthful than our version numbers
[19:37:41] <seb_kuzminsky> bummer, pdfs dont work on my precise vm
[19:37:56] <seb_kuzminsky> Error: no "view" mailcap rules found for type "application/pdf"
[19:38:23] <seb_kuzminsky> "gnome-open foo.pdf" pops up evince right away :-/
[19:38:43] <cradek> gnome NIH'd mailcap?
[19:39:05] <cradek> (fwiw, I have evince rules in my ~/.mailcap)
[19:39:10] <cradek> but I'm a wizard
[19:42:11] <pcw_home> I have the same issue with pdf's looks to be a evince installer bug (like the imagemagic bug)
[19:42:20] <seb_kuzminsky> le sigh
[19:42:55] <seb_kuzminsky> don't our current desktop shortcuts to the pdf docs use see? how is that working? (or is it broken and we just dont know about it?)
[19:43:32] <pcw_home> maybe ok in 10.04 dont know
[19:50:13] <seb_kuzminsky> yep, at least on this machine, the shortcuts in the "CNC" menu dont work
[19:50:26] <seb_kuzminsky> i think it might be an old lucid VM that i upgraded to precise?
[19:50:44] <seb_kuzminsky> err, the pdf shortcuts dont work, but the html ones do
[19:51:04] <cradek> but I don't think we ship html docs?
[19:51:11] <cradek> oh we do ship the quickref
[19:51:16] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah quickref
[19:51:36] <seb_kuzminsky> hm, it wants to upgrade 652 packages, hold on
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[20:07:39] <mozmck> I've had problems with pdfs not opening properly... I think it has to do with the order the handlers are listed in the mimetypes file.
[20:09:08] <mozmck> I forget all the details right now...
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[20:28:58] <mozmck> I had not heard of "see" until now - when I was having similar problems the info I found directed me to /usr/share/applications/defaults.list
[20:30:39] <mozmck> also ~./local/share/applications/mimeapps.list and default.list
[20:33:30] <seb_kuzminsky> after upgrading everything, html & png still work with see, but pdf still doesn't work with see
[20:33:40] <cradek> /usr/sbin/update-mime --local; edit ~/.mailcap however you like
[20:34:00] <seb_kuzminsky> does clicking on the pdf docs in the menu work for anyone?
[20:34:11] <cradek> it did on sam's machine last weekend
[20:34:23] <cradek> I suppose it was a standard lucid install
[20:34:57] <cradek> I remember we looked for tool change setting stuff in there
[20:38:41] <mozmck> I think if you check and fix /usr/share/applications/defaults.list see will work.
[20:39:23] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm not interested in making it work for me on my computer, i want to figure out how to make it work for everyone on every computer (without following a recipe on a wiki page or anything like that)
[20:40:52] <mozmck> call evince directly?
[20:40:57] <cradek> your problem with the menu links to the pdfs is on precise?
[20:41:47] <cradek> mozmck: evince is not installed by default on wheezy+xfce
[20:42:10] <mozmck> hmm, what pdf reader is there?
[20:42:24] <cradek> there's a system-independent way of doing this, but unfortunately it's been invented several times
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[20:43:47] <mozmck> Well, if the mime info for the system is broken is there really a good way to do it? My system was using gimp to open pdfs until I fixed the mime stuff.
[20:44:47] <cradek> yep that's the question
[20:44:57] <cradek> gnome invented their own way
[20:45:12] <cradek> debian invented a third way
[20:45:17] <cradek> there are probably more
[20:45:24] <cradek> if one works on all the platforms we care about, we win
[20:47:06] <mozmck> isn't the gnome way compliant with the freedesktop.org specification? Seems like all the major desktops are supporting that now from what I can tell.
[20:48:18] <cradek> gnome-open does work on my wheezy/xfce system
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[20:50:49] <seb_kuzminsky> gnome-open opens pdf, html, and png on my precise vm
[20:51:43] <cradek> mozmck: is it also the same freedesktop.org spec that lets us put our menu droppings in one standard place, and they magically appear on the menu in various desktop environments?
[20:52:12] <cradek> ('cause if so, using the matching open-the-whatever method is probably the winner)
[20:52:33] <mozmck> I would guess so. I'm no expert on it for sure!
[20:52:40] <mozmck> http://standards.freedesktop.org/mime-apps-spec/latest/index.html
[20:52:49] <cradek> well I bet you're the expert here :-)
[20:52:57] <mozmck> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/
[20:53:24] <mozmck> I've looked at it a little trying to figure out where to find and fix things :)
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