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[01:49:08] <skunkworks_> it is weird not switching to other branches...
[01:49:16] <skunkworks_> doesn't feel right
[01:52:51] <CaptHindsight> does Wheezy have touchscreen and screen keyboard support? Can it work with a 3.4.55 RTAI kernel?
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[01:57:04] <skunkworks_> I think wheezy works with rtai.. don't know about the touchscreen/keyboard support
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[02:38:19] <CaptHindsight> I'd need a newer kernel for the video drivers to work
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[03:41:50] <seb_kuzminsky> CaptHindsight: cradek is running wheezy with the 3.4.55-rtai kernel and he says it's working fine
[03:46:45] <CaptHindsight> seb_kuzminsky: thanks, I missed the 3.4.55 part :)
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[13:24:43] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/51828
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[13:25:21] <cradek> it isn't really our package's job to install this, is it? I have a working x-www-browser on my debian machine(s) and I don't recall doing anything special to get it. I wonder if it's gnome breakage or something?
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[13:51:24] <seb_kuzminsky> i saw that last night, and like you i verified that my freshly installed debian 7 VM has x-www-browser
[13:51:38] <seb_kuzminsky> i foolishly decided to ignore the OP :-(
[13:53:15] <seb_kuzminsky> it's probably our package's job to Depend on something that provides a browser, and to call the system browser by some generic name
[13:53:28] <seb_kuzminsky> i had thought that the generic name to use was 'x-www-browser', but now i'm not sure
[13:53:39] <seb_kuzminsky> there's no virtual package named x-www-browser in debian 7
[13:53:57] <seb_kuzminsky> there is 'gnome-www-browser' and 'browser'
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[13:54:13] <seb_kuzminsky> 'browser' can be satisfied by the text-mode browsers like links
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[13:54:47] <seb_kuzminsky> i think (on debian 7 at least) depending on and calling gnome-www-browser is maybe more correct that x-www-browser?
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[14:10:58] <cradek> weird. I have gnome-www-browser but I don't really have (much of?) gnome
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[14:29:09] <skunkworks_> I can't belive you have any gnome... isn't that against your religion? ;)
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[14:30:33] <cradek> you get some of the gnome bits whether or not you want the gnome desktop, I think because common applications need those bits
[14:31:08] <cradek> I don't know how it all works
[14:31:18] <skunkworks_> heh
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[14:35:02] <skunkworks_> I installed 2.7 on my laptop last night - everything runs (sim on 14.04) I forgot to try it after you actually merged it to master.
[14:35:42] <skunkworks_> I did have halscope crash on me one while doing all the testing.. (would not launch again saying that it was already running) will keep an eye out for it
[14:35:49] <skunkworks_> once
[14:35:59] <cradek> hmm...
[14:36:36] <skunkworks_> I think I was changing the number of channels - poof - disapeared.
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[14:36:57] <skunkworks_> but like I say - first time that has ever happened to me.
[14:37:17] <cradek> was it a sim or realtime build?
[14:37:21] <skunkworks_> sim
[14:37:26] <skunkworks_> my laptop
[14:37:41] <cradek> if you do "ulimit -c unlimited" before you run linuxcnc, a crash will give you a core dump, which is useful
[14:37:51] <cradek> if you can ever reproduce it, of course :-(
[14:37:52] <skunkworks_> ok
[14:37:56] <skunkworks_> right
[14:38:34] <skunkworks_> I use halscope all the time but don't change the number of channels very ofthen. I will beat on it when I gat a chance)
[14:38:37] <skunkworks_> get
[14:39:04] <skunkworks_> ofthen? this is my 3rd cup...
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[15:04:13] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: gnome-www-browser is a virtual package, meaning it doesn't exist but other packages Provide: it
[15:04:53] <seb_kuzminsky> epiphany, iceeasel, and chromium all provide it
[15:06:51] <seb_kuzminsky> there's also a 'www-browser' virtual package
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[15:07:30] <seb_kuzminsky> Precise has the same two virtual browser packages
[15:08:45] <seb_kuzminsky> on my laptop, gnome-www-browser points to chrome, but www-browser points to links
[15:09:05] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder what happens on kubuntu... konqueror doesn't provide gnome-www-browser, obviously
[15:09:53] <seb_kuzminsky> konqueror provides www-browser
[15:09:54] <skunkworks__> this is where you are trying to call the default browser?
[15:10:01] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah
[15:10:17] <seb_kuzminsky> frmo the system menu items that lead to our html docs
[15:10:29] <pcw_home> skunkworks_: I've had HALScope up for 50 days 24/7 now on my
[15:10:30] <pcw_home> Ethernet test rig (12.04 Preemt-RT) with no problems, but I'm not poking at it
[15:10:31] <cradek> and x-www-browser is none of those
[15:11:15] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe it was back in like 2005 when someone added that line
[15:11:30] <seb_kuzminsky> chromium Provides www-browser, i wonder why my system picked links instead?
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[15:12:51] <skunkworks__> pcw_home: nice!
[15:13:00] <skunkworks__> I have not set back up yet..
[15:13:10] <seb_kuzminsky> chromium doesn't appear to have registered itself as a target for www-browser with update-alternatives
[15:13:15] * seb_kuzminsky is confused...
[15:13:43] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm going to ignore this issue for now and work on the rtai kernel instead
[15:14:09] <seb_kuzminsky> if no one else is going to pick it up, let's ask the OP to open a bug for it
[15:16:29] <cradek> by all means, the kernel is more important
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[15:33:49] <pcw_home> seb_kuzminsky is cooking up a new RTAI kernel?
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[15:39:51] <seb_kuzminsky> trying to
[15:40:29] <seb_kuzminsky> the 3.4.55-rtai kernel we have is a little out of date, and the packaging is kind of ... amateurish
[15:44:10] <pcw_home> another 3.4.x kernel?
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[15:53:13] <CaptHindsight> probably has to see what works
[15:53:43] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, 3.4.87 (that's the latest 3.4 LTS kernel supported by Shabby's RTAI)
[15:54:00] <seb_kuzminsky> i spoke iwth shabby and he said he thinks it works for both 32-bit and 64-bit
[15:54:33] <seb_kuzminsky> i'll know in a couple of days hopefully
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[15:57:00] <skunkworks_> A couple of days!! ;)
[16:00:21] <seb_kuzminsky> uh oh
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[16:34:52] <CaptHindsight> memleak said that if somebody fixes the scheduler then even 3.13 should work
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[16:35:25] <CaptHindsight> 1) fix the scheduler in RTAI
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[16:36:08] <CaptHindsight> 2) math support in kernel kconfig has changed and no options seem to work with Linuxcnc
[16:36:44] <CaptHindsight> 3) Linuxcnc needs to fix /proc in order for any 3.10 or newer RTAI kernels to work
[16:39:41] <CaptHindsight> One workaround for the broken scheduler is with isocpu= you need to leave the last cpu core out of the list. For example isolcpus=1,2,3 for a 4 core and it should work or a single core cpu should work fine.
[16:40:24] <CaptHindsight> that's the scoop for RTAI :)
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[17:09:25] <IchGuckLive> hi all how do i compile a module sutch as a new kinetics for gantry homing
[17:09:35] <IchGuckLive> its a c file
[17:11:14] <IchGuckLive> ok done
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