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[02:50:16] <cradek> seb!
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[02:50:35] <cradek> jthornton: spam?
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/49-basic-configuration/27900-thc-config-that-works?start=10#47795
[02:57:14] <skunkworks_> seb_kuzminsky: we have decided 2.6 is a go... :)
[03:00:49] <skunkworks_> pcw_home: the new pid default behaviour is awesome...
[03:05:25] <cradek> skunkworks_: in the Updating page, I'm going to say that you probably only need to tweak FF1. Maybe that will make it less scary.
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[03:07:55] <skunkworks_> sure
[03:08:11] <skunkworks_> it sure was good to see almost 1...
[03:24:10] <skunkworks_> z hasn't gotten any worse.. I remember there being around 2-3tenths of backlash when we first tested it
[03:24:35] <cradek> it's surprising that we can hear that tiny amount so plainly
[03:25:28] <skunkworks_> yes.
[03:25:46] <skunkworks_> and you only here it with z moves
[03:26:05] <skunkworks_> I think it is set to 15 iirc - could run it down to 12 like y
[03:26:13] <skunkworks_> or maybe it is 10...
[03:26:17] <skunkworks_> I would have to look
[03:26:39] <cradek> z sure followed nicely though
[03:26:46] <cradek> it's probably just fine
[03:27:23] <skunkworks_> yes - .0003 doesn't seem to effect tuning.. I wonder how big it would have to be before tuning would be impossible...
[03:27:45] <skunkworks_> *hear it
[03:27:53] <cradek> yeah, I wonder
[03:31:31] <skunkworks_> porbably helps that the servos are old and slow :)
[03:33:49] <skunkworks_> (and that they are velocity mode...)
[03:34:20] <skunkworks_> porbably?
[03:34:37] <skunkworks_> yikes
[03:37:10] <cradek> why do they always fold the toilet paper to a point?
[03:37:29] <skunkworks_> to show that they care?
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[03:41:24] <Tom_itx> you feel better about it folded than left ragged from the last use don't you?
[03:41:59] <cradek> ummm, I guess I really don't care
[03:42:05] <cradek> I didn't know this was about my feelings
[03:42:15] <Tom_itx> you asked
[03:42:21] <cradek> it's true
[03:42:24] <Tom_itx> :)
[03:43:37] <Tom_itx> it's probaby in some etiquette book somewhere
[03:45:59] <Tom_itx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_toilet_paper_folding
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[03:46:04] <Tom_itx> just ask google
[03:47:30] <cradek> amazing
[03:47:36] <Tom_itx> haha
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[10:34:21] <jthornton> cradek, yep a spammer
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[16:10:44] <skunkworks> pcw_home, error-previous-target = TRUE really is nice...
[16:11:20] <pcw_home> Yeah otherwise you have a conflict with the I term
[16:11:52] <skunkworks> well - for the k&t - ff1 is now really close - or is 1...
[16:12:54] <skunkworks> (when I tuned it originally I used following error - probably should have use pid error instead at the time...)
[16:13:11] <pcw_home> If you have a velocity mode drive and normalized PID output (scaled in machine units per second)
[16:13:13] <pcw_home> 1 is the expected value for FF1
[16:13:19] <skunkworks> exactly...
[16:14:03] <pcw_home> so with the PID driven stepgen FF1 is 1.000
[16:14:24] <pcw_home> and does 99.9% of the control
[16:14:29] <skunkworks> Y was the worse - chris spend a little time on it - but it is down to a few tenths following error at 180ipm
[16:14:48] <skunkworks> x and z only need the ff1 set to 1
[16:14:57] <pcw_home> Thats pretty good (probably a lot better than original)
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[16:15:15] <skunkworks> oh - I am sure..
[16:16:12] <skunkworks> I think the few tenths was jerk...
[16:16:37] <skunkworks> although it is all fuzzing together now..
[16:16:52] <skunkworks> either way - it is much better now.
[16:17:11] <pcw_home> Yeah until theres a finite jerk TP that's unavoidable
[16:17:48] <pcw_home> (well you can lower acceleration but thats no fun)
[16:19:21] <skunkworks> this is pretty low 12 - 15in/s^2 acceleration... but with the new tp - you could feel it (mainly because of the small amount of backlash in z)
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[16:21:40] <pcw_home> a finite jerk TP would probably make the backlash a bit more liveable (slower reversals)
[16:21:48] <skunkworks> right
[16:21:52] <skunkworks> some day :)\
[16:22:21] <pcw_home> micges is doing something with it not sure what
[16:22:34] <pcw_home> (I mean with the source)
[16:23:06] <skunkworks> right. it would have to be shoe horned into the new tp - I think he is working with the current TP
[16:23:12] <micges1> I almost finished porting, on two days left, then tests on real machine
[16:23:25] <skunkworks> cool
[16:24:23] <micges1> Robert will guide me to introduce jerk into his tp, but it will be few weeks from now
[16:26:09] <skunkworks> that would be awesome
[16:26:25] <micges1> I must release mesaflash and docs for it then I'll make machinekit image with mesa ethernet support,then again fun with tp
[16:27:38] <pcw_home> didn't check today yet but as of last Friday hm2_eth up 45 days 24/7 at 2 KHz on J1800
[16:27:52] <micges1> and I NEED to test this error-previous-target
[16:28:01] <zultron> micges1, are you adding RTnet to some kernel?
[16:28:14] <zultron> And if so, which?
[16:29:00] <micges1> not now, rt-preempt first
[16:29:40] <micges1> pcw_home: so seems no more memleaks in driver
[16:30:14] <pcw_home> if they are they must be pretty slow leaks :-)
[16:30:37] <micges1> zultron: I worked with xenomai 2.6.2.1 with latest rtnet and kernel > 3.2
[16:30:52] <zultron> micges1, I see. If/when you ever do, let me know; I'm interested in pulling RTnet into my kernel packages.
[16:31:13] <micges1> zultron: oh ok
[16:32:00] <pcw_home> RTnet ought to be capable of faster servo thread rates as the expense of limited MAC choices and general fussyness
[16:32:10] <pcw_home> at the expense
[16:34:01] <zultron> Yeah. And it might not be horrible to port the Beaglebone NIC driver to RTnet.
[16:34:23] <micges1> jerk planner on top of master:
http://ibin.co/1NK35q4FFbje
[16:34:27] * zultron says something he's completely unqualified to say
[16:35:12] <micges1> rtnet drivers are all mess
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[16:36:37] <pcw_home> You need skunkworks to pound on the jerk limited TP :-)
[16:37:14] <micges1> yeah I know :)
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[21:13:15] <andypugh> I wonder if Aran is being paid for this job that PCW and I are doing for him?
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[21:58:15] <skunkworks_> most likely..
[21:59:47] <skunkworks_> machinekit is having a meeting in madison at the end of June.. Linuxcnc must be evil now.
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[22:02:15] <andypugh> Well we rejected all the Tormach mods after all :-(
[22:02:45] <andypugh> (I am not entirely sure the “we” were up there.
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[22:44:47] <seb_kuzminsky> at least some of the mods we rejected were kind of crazy
[22:44:54] <seb_kuzminsky> forking redis?
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[22:47:49] <CaptHindsight> machinekit in Madison Wi?!
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[22:49:21] <andypugh> Tormach offered to host a meetup last year too.
[22:50:33] <CaptHindsight> not a long drive for me
[22:50:56] <CaptHindsight> I just can't stand all that maker stuff
[22:51:35] <CaptHindsight> Linuxcnc in Houston this year it looks like
[22:52:10] <andypugh> I am not happy about the split. I don’t feel to belong in either camp :-(
[22:54:59] <seb_kuzminsky> i think the split was good for both communities
[22:55:21] <andypugh> I think it is bad that it became two communities
[22:55:28] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm sorry you don't feel part of linuxcnc
[22:55:38] <seb_kuzminsky> i've thought of you as one of us for a long time, fwiw
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[22:56:45] <seb_kuzminsky> if the two communities had been better at communicating and cooperating, then it would have been better if we'd stayed together
[22:57:16] <seb_kuzminsky> but there was too big a difference in collaboration style between the linuxcnc group and the machinekit group
[22:57:32] <andypugh> They have some pretty cool stuff, and I don’t see it finding its way back to LinuxCNC
[22:58:14] <CaptHindsight> andypugh: whay did you notice that is neat? I haven't been following
[22:58:21] <CaptHindsight> whay/what
[22:58:29] <seb_kuzminsky> they have a lot of cool stuff, and i agree it probably won't make it back to linuxcnc
[22:58:46] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe if they had followed the c4 collaboration guidelines it would have made it in...
[22:58:59] <andypugh> I am slightly worried that they are pushing a somewhat flaky experimental system and have users comoplaining that the 2.6 LinuxCNC on BBB wasn’t right on their “production machine” !
[22:59:27] <andypugh> The distributed HAL and replacement for NML looks like a win
[22:59:38] <seb_kuzminsky> replacing nml would be a huge win
[22:59:47] <seb_kuzminsky> they're not using the linuxcnc name, are they? that's not ok
[23:00:21] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
[23:00:31] <andypugh> I was sort-of waiting for that NML replacement for the tool table stuff, because that would let userspace Python code field the toolchange messages
[23:06:20] <CaptHindsight> I wouldn't mind a version that runs on an imx6, A10/20/80 or similar.
[23:07:15] <andypugh> I _think_ I have nearly managed that. I got it to launch but not run on a Udoo
[23:07:32] <andypugh> Using the UBC branch and a home-patched kernel
[23:07:55] <CaptHindsight> I need the SOC to run a GUI in HD on the machine
[23:09:42] <andypugh> The Udoo could do that, it’s got a ton of CPU
[23:10:20] <andypugh> (quad core 1Ghz and a lot of IO on an Arduino pinout. (and there is an Arduino sharing the pins)
[23:11:01] <CaptHindsight> yeah, we started on the A20 cubie2, but the tool chain is a mess
[23:11:17] <CaptHindsight> almost all magic
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[23:44:50] <skunkworks_> seb_kuzminsky: 2.6-pre runs great on the k&t
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