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[01:53:52] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05cradek/rapid-override 4ce1bea 06linuxcnc 10(10 files in 4 dirs) New message and stat entry for rapid override * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4ce1bea
[01:53:53] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05cradek/rapid-override 75de8e7 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc HALUI: support setting rapid override in the various ways * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=75de8e7
[01:53:53] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05cradek/rapid-override 67ce412 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/kinematics/tp.c 10src/emc/motion/control.c Honor rapid override * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=67ce412
[02:01:20] <andypugh> Good work Chris
[02:02:06] <skunkworks> wow - neat
[02:04:27] <andypugh> I wonder if Mark T will realise how cool it is that a winge gets an almost immediate attempt to make things suit him? I suspect not, in his case.
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[02:10:14] <andypugh> if I might be critical, the commit messages could be a little less terse.
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[02:14:46] <skunkworks> I don't understand this pull to use BBB
[02:14:57] <skunkworks> and then be upset when it doesn't work perfectly
[02:16:19] <andypugh> Yeah, he is running the wild and wacky machinekit on a BBB and then blaming LinuxCNC when it isn’t as stable as Mach3 on a PC.
[02:17:36] <cradek> they may not be as careful about releases as we are. it's possible he did not really know he was upgrading between major versions.
[02:18:43] <andypugh> <opinion> LCNC is too cautious. In response Machinekit is too brave. Both are wrong.
[02:18:50] <cradek> AXIS should probably grow a RO slider, I guess. as if it doesn't already have enough of them.
[02:19:07] <cradek> s/Both are wrong/You can't win/
[02:19:50] <cradek> (I didn't know machinekit was even involved here.)
[02:20:02] <andypugh> Axis ought to be looking towards retirement. But I don’t see a marvellous replacement.
[02:20:02] <skunkworks> he went on the same rant on that list..
[02:20:45] <cradek> andypugh: you mean the reference implementation gui that has been stable for years and always works right?
[02:20:57] <andypugh> Yes.
[02:21:18] <skunkworks> RO?
[02:21:19] <cradek> not sure I agree, but yeah I hope there are replacements one of these days
[02:21:24] <cradek> (rapid override)
[02:21:30] <skunkworks> ah
[02:21:32] <skunkworks> duh
[02:21:43] <cradek> lots of new gui choices. I don't know much about them.
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[02:22:18] <andypugh> I am not saying “now” but some day both people who understand Tcl will sublime and then where will we be?
[02:23:21] <cradek> it's not written in a dead martian language or anything. it's just ... a language
[02:23:24] <jepler> cradek: my mistake, the supposed performance of the "perf" interface to counting CPU cycles is ~4000 cycles/invocation, so it's only 4x as slow as clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC)
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[02:23:29] <andypugh> Gscreen was a good idea (a basic Glade framework, easily customised). Gmoccapy scares me. He is doing _everything_ in his Gui, including tool offsets. And that’s not right.
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[02:24:22] <cradek> yes I keep seeing things put in the guis that I really don't think belong there. but I'm not the developer. c'est la vie.
[02:24:42] <jepler> http://neocontra.blogspot.com/2013/05/user-mode-performance-counters-for.html
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[02:26:02] <cradek> jepler: is that still a significant slowdown for arm? I don't have any feel for the orders of magnitude.
[02:28:34] <cradek> andypugh: I laughed at your "in only many hours" spoke job
[02:37:24] <jepler> cradek: beaglebone is 1GHz, Samsung Arm Chromebook is 1.7GHz
[02:37:48] <jepler> so it's 2-3us per invocation, not the 20-30 I thought it was
[02:43:47] <cradek> jthornton: in gcode.txt in 2.6, some gcode examples have [source,{ngc}] and then some number of ------ above them. some don't have either of these things. what's right? the recent merge of my new G5 docs made it a little more inconsistent.
[02:53:18] <cradek> wow 2.5 builds fast
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[02:58:25] <skunkworks> it builds fast on my i7 running -j8 :)
[02:58:33] <skunkworks> and it is a first gen
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[03:00:26] <skunkworks> but you can't do much of anyting on the computer till it is done...
[03:03:48] <cradek> I suppose laptops like that are available, but I sure don't have one
[03:04:41] <andypugh> I compile off-board on a headless MB in the bookshelf. I just do other stuff during compiles.
[03:05:04] <cradek> well I have a decent desktop at home (i3? i5?) but not while traveling...
[03:06:35] <andypugh> I decided to re-read my Ner-a-Car blog looking for typos. And I think that my favourite sentence is actually “The right-hand side is a modified lathe centre with a screw thread for attaching special attachments, like the one I attached specially for this job. “
[03:06:56] <cradek> was it special?
[03:07:05] <andypugh> very
[03:07:49] <andypugh> I definitely have to fix a less/fewer error.
[03:08:03] <andypugh> Or kill myself. One or the other
[03:08:32] <cradek> oh, less turns of wire?
[03:08:49] <andypugh> Indeed. The shame
[03:08:52] <cradek> eh
[03:09:32] <cradek> also search for "the the"
[03:09:57] <andypugh> I have a manage manage I think
[03:09:58] <cradek> remember you only have to be better than 99% of the writing on the web
[03:10:16] <cradek> is the safety gap a bent nail?
[03:10:45] <andypugh> it’s a bit of copper wire. A bent nail might be better (stiffer)
[03:10:53] <cradek> what does the vacuum do?
[03:12:08] <andypugh> The idea is to have a spark-gap bigger than the spark plug, but that arcs over before you get sparks inside the coil, as 0,09mm wire can only take so many of them before not being a wire any more.
[03:12:51] <andypugh> If there is no air in the box, then the epoxy can ooze into every gap without having to displace air.
[03:12:58] <cradek> I did understand that part from your description. is it something modern coils have inside?
[03:13:20] <cradek> ah ok, the air bubbles out through the epoxy then?
[03:13:38] <andypugh> (or, similarly, when you release the vacuum, external pressure pushes the epoxy into the voids)
[03:13:46] <cradek> got it
[03:13:53] <cradek> nifty
[03:13:54] <skunkworks> cradek: found a slow mo video of the tuning fork watch movement.. quite a neat mechanism..
[03:13:58] <andypugh> Yes, you see bubbles coming up through the epoxy
[03:14:12] <cradek> skunkworks: those teeth are soooo tiny!
[03:14:20] <skunkworks> do the wheels ever wear out? that get ratcheted by the tuning fork?
[03:14:42] <andypugh> skunkworks: If you want one I think my sister’s jewelers shop might still have one
[03:15:02] <cradek> not that I've ever seen. touching them destroys the teeth, though. I have seen several damaged wheels with a "dead spot" where a tooth is wrong or missing
[03:15:11] <cradek> but I think that only happens from abuse, not wearing out
[03:15:12] <skunkworks> heh - I haven't had wore a wrist watch since high school
[03:15:34] <skunkworks> wore?
[03:15:44] <cradek> worn
[03:15:46] <skunkworks> ah
[03:16:00] <skunkworks> that just didn't look right..
[03:16:11] <Tom_itx> haven't worn
[03:16:23] <skunkworks> heh the whole sentence...
[03:16:24] <cradek> I wear a wrist watch sometimes and a pocket watch sometimes and neither sometimes
[03:16:27] <andypugh> I love watches. But I don’t wear one, so it’s purely a platonic love
[03:16:34] <cradek> ha
[03:17:59] <skunkworks> my dad never did either.. (he doesn't wear a wedding ring..) mainly because he doesn't want either caught or conducting electricity...
[03:18:09] <andypugh> I keep almost buying old pocket watches, this sort of thing: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/181430848900
[03:18:49] <skunkworks> seems like something archivist could set you up with...
[03:18:49] <cradek> andypugh: I have resisted buying a verge watch because I don't think I'd ever use it - timekeeping is not good enough for our "modern" era
[03:18:56] <cradek> I'd hate to just accumulate them
[03:19:35] <andypugh> Yes, they are pointless, especially with no case
[03:20:01] <cradek> andypugh: the one I have today is an early lever (1855ish) that I spent an awful lot of effort on, and I can wear it for weeks without setting it
[03:20:41] <andypugh> But they are so lovely. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/191201187634
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[03:22:42] <andypugh> Acrtually, I am really tempted by that
[03:23:42] <cradek> oh that is a nice one. outer case missing, though.
[03:24:07] <andypugh> Which means it is more affordable, but less usable
[03:24:15] <cradek> good sign that it's fully wound down
[03:24:20] <cradek> might even run
[03:25:10] <Tom_itx> why's there a hole in the backside?
[03:25:16] <cradek> to wind it
[03:25:48] <skunkworks> night!
[03:25:54] <cradek> London "E" means made in 1800
[03:26:01] <cradek> turn-of-the-century, heh
[03:26:12] <cradek> g'night skunkworks
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[03:27:56] <cradek> that has a nice description by someone who knows what they're talking about
[03:28:47] <andypugh> I think I need to log off before i buy something stupid. This one is quite pretty too. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301203472992
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[03:30:06] <cradek> plated outer case, not as nice as some
[03:30:27] <cradek> oh wait, that's not a pair
[03:31:15] <andypugh> Indeed, but also not (currently) expensive. Well, unless you comare it to a quartz watch, at which point it is expensive and rubbish :-)
[03:31:35] <cradek> rubbish is in the eye of the beholder
[03:32:13] <cradek> 'chain broken' might mean part of it is missing, or it might mean it's just off because the mainspring broke
[03:32:33] <cradek> could be unrepairable (by the likes of me, anyway, ymmv)
[03:32:39] <andypugh> Yes, it’s a project. And not my project
[03:33:23] <andypugh> Light outside, birds singing. way past time I should try to sleep.
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[03:33:33] <cradek> the US national NAWCC convention is coming right up. I'll meet you there.
[03:33:40] <cradek> you could probably find a watch.
[03:33:55] <cradek> goodnight!
[03:34:13] <andypugh> I suspect that the watches I like are more common over here.
[03:34:27] <cradek> oh hey, I bet that's true
[03:34:29] <andypugh> (As they predate your country) :-)
[03:34:43] <cradek> I pretty much only buy english watches now too, and only very rarely
[03:34:59] <andypugh> Night
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[03:35:10] <cradek> I've seen enough american fancypants railroad watches to .. I dunno what
[03:35:24] <cradek> to think they're boring
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[05:56:07] <archivist> chains are "interesting" to repair
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[05:59:44] <archivist> must rebuild my verge, needs the verge pivots bushing
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[10:41:44] <jthornton> cradek, the lines between 4 dashes is code and is the way I've done it throughout the docs. The [source,{ngc}] might produce some highlighting in 2.6 or might not. I know in master some did.
[10:43:09] <jthornton> but looking in the docs and I don't see that [source,{ngc}] does anything at all
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