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[00:00:01] <memleak> ^64-bit rtai generic kernel config for 3.4.55
[00:01:04] <memleak> based off of 3.2 kernel for amd64 systems by debian devs
[00:01:08] <skunkworks> wait - that wasn't it
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[00:02:45] <memleak> was that to me? i just checked.
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[00:03:05] <cradek> will buildbot tolerate me force-pushing my branch?
[00:07:36] <jepler> cradek: think that yes (buildbot)
[00:13:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05cradek/wheezysim 514a60b 06linuxcnc 10debian/control.in These are needed for building and running on all platforms * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=514a60b
[00:13:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05cradek/wheezysim 6840a0a 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in Fail on missing programs, instead of generating bogus scripts * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=6840a0a
[00:13:56] <cradek> nth try is the charm
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[00:14:36] <skunkworks> micges: how is the familly?
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[00:15:29] <micges> finally good, all of us were sick at the same time
[00:15:38] <skunkworks> I heard - yeck'
[00:15:56] <skunkworks> so far - we have only all had the cold at the same time\
[00:20:00] <micges> wather is crazy here, no freeze on februrary isn't so common
[00:20:50] <micges> often we had -30 celsius for few weeks
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[00:43:44] <memleak> why does linuxcnc depend on PAM?
[00:44:09] <memleak> it breaks compatibility with directfb, startx, and if you don't want a display manager, just a window manager.
[00:44:49] <memleak> also some desktop managers like xdm do not support PAM, you need something bigger, lxdm being the smallest DM to support PAM
[00:45:20] <cradek> where do you see the pam dependency?
[00:45:22] <memleak> (a very recent version of lxdm too because it was just added to the tree not too long ago)
[00:45:37] <memleak> linuxcnc doesn't run without pam
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[00:46:18] <cradek> in what way doesn't it run?
[00:46:42] <memleak> ulimit is hosed
[00:46:52] <cradek> in what way is ulimit hosed?
[00:47:22] <memleak> linux.die.net/man/5/limits.conf keyword: pam_limits.so
[00:49:07] <cradek> would you just say what you're talking about please?
[00:51:25] <cradek> on a non-pam setup are you having a problem with not enough locked-in memory being available? if so there must be another way to set the limit
[00:51:35] <memleak> wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RtaiSteps "without PAM it could be a LOT more difficult, depending on your login method" -> wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LockedMemory
[00:51:41] <memleak> yes exactly
[00:52:00] <memleak> there is another way?
[00:52:02] <cradek> ok then you need to figure out how your non-pam system sets that limit, right?
[00:52:07] <cradek> I don't know
[00:52:21] <cradek> I only just figured out what you were even talking about
[00:52:53] <memleak> sorry, i'm not a good speaker.
[00:53:10] <memleak> expressing myself i mean
[00:53:57] <memleak> i guess a better question is why does linuxcnc require 20480 of unlocked shmem?
[00:54:05] <memleak> (KiB)
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[00:56:28] <jepler> because any page of code or data that might be touched by realtime code needs to be mlock()ed or equivalent.
[00:57:18] <memleak> ah i see
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[00:57:50] <jepler> and that might not actually be enough for the userspace realtimes -- running axis, rtapi_app has a vsz of 46520 (KiB)
[00:58:33] <memleak> so triple the size would be good practice?
[00:59:59] <jepler> the number we have now was probably chosen a long time ago and only with rtai systems in mind: the locked size limit is applied to rtai shared memory segments--mainly the hal shared memory area, which is 262000 bytes at the moment
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[01:00:14] <jepler> but the "normal" code and data of realtime modules would also never be swapped, because kernel space
[01:00:24] <jepler> while not counting against this limit
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[01:49:03] <linuxcnc-build> build #103 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_3] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4017.deb-wheezy-armhf/builds/103 blamelist: Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>
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[01:52:24] <skunkworks> logger[
[01:52:27] <skunkworks> logger[mah]_:
[01:52:27] <logger[mah]_> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc-devel/2014-03-26.html
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[02:01:24] <linuxcnc-build> build #1956 of 1900.clang-lucid-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies configuring] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1900.clang-lucid-rtai-i386/builds/1956 blamelist: dummy, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>,
[02:01:25] <linuxcnc-build> Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>
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[02:06:37] <linuxcnc-build> build #1957 of 1200.rip-lucid-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies configuring] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1200.rip-lucid-i386/builds/1957 blamelist: dummy, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>, Norbert
[02:06:37] <linuxcnc-build> Schechner <nieson@web.de>
[02:08:31] <cradek> ugh, what on earth have I done to rip-lucid-i386
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[02:15:33] <skunkworks> what happened to innocent until proven guilty?
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[02:17:27] <memleak> am i the only one who initially reads rip-environment as rest in peace instead of run in place?
[02:17:46] <skunkworks> yes
[02:17:49] <skunkworks> ;)
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[02:19:02] <memleak> i have such a difficult time getting that out of my head
[02:28:13] <pcw_home> Great now I will too
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[02:39:00] <linuxcnc-build> build #1959 of 1201.rip-lucid-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies configuring] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1201.rip-lucid-rtai-i386/builds/1959 blamelist: dummy, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>,
[02:39:00] <linuxcnc-build> Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>
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[02:41:53] <linuxcnc-build> build #1958 of 1202.rip-lucid-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed install-missing-build-dependencies configuring] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1202.rip-lucid-amd64/builds/1958 blamelist: dummy, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>, Norbert
[02:41:53] <linuxcnc-build> Schechner <nieson@web.de>
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[02:49:00] <linuxcnc-build> build #1960 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/1960 blamelist: dummy, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>, Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>
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[03:04:51] <seb_kuzminsky> rest in peace
[03:04:55] <seb_kuzminsky> harmonious repose
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[03:06:05] <skunkworks> build 1958 was for me.. It must take a little while for the debs to show up..
[03:06:10] <skunkworks> YAY
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[03:08:55] <seb_kuzminsky> yay :-)
[03:09:12] <seb_kuzminsky> it always pleases/amazes me when something works right
[03:11:33] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: looks like kmod is a virtual package, and that confuses the build-dependency installer helper thingy
[03:16:52] <seb_kuzminsky> that's what broke the build on lucid - the confused build-dep thingy uninstalled(!) libusb-1.0-0-dev
[03:16:58] <seb_kuzminsky> i think maybe you want module-init-tools instead?
[03:19:25] <seb_kuzminsky> kmod is raring and newer, module-init-tools is precise (and maybe older?)
[03:22:16] <memleak> it is older
[03:25:33] <seb_kuzminsky> ah, in wheezy it's called kmod, i bet that's where cradek got it from
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[05:54:12] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris S Morley 05pncconf_builder 5c328d4 06linuxcnc 10(5 files) pncconf -wip * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c328d4
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[07:09:41] <linuxcnc-build> build #104 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_3] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4017.deb-wheezy-armhf/builds/104 blamelist: Chris S Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>
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[10:02:57] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Francis Tisserant 05v2.5_branch 7f368cf 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/rtcomps.txt 10docs/src/hal/rtcomps_de.txt 10docs/src/hal/rtcomps_es.txt 10docs/src/hal/rtcomps_pl.txt fix broken links * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f368cf
[10:02:57] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Francis Tisserant 05v2.5_branch e213ae3 06linuxcnc 10(5 files) cleaning & fix broken links * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=e213ae3
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[11:21:05] <jthornton> has anyone downloaded
http://linuxcnc.org/iso/ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc3-i386.iso and burned it to a CD? The latest I have is ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso and I don't have any bandwidth left for the month so I can't try it
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[11:21:56] <jthornton> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/9-installing-linuxcnc/27649-cant-seem-to-fit-the-iso-onto-a-cd#45272
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[11:28:01] <linuxcnc-build> build #105 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_3] Build details are at
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[12:59:10] <skunkworks> will installing a linuxcnc deb on precise - then pull the correct rtai when doing a apt-get install -f?
[13:06:01] <skunkworks> so - something like this should not be a problem?
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/linuxcncdebs/
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[13:52:05] <linuxcnc-build> build #106 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_3] Build details are at
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[14:43:22] <jepler> was there a consensus whether I should push the -fwrapv and ilowpass overflow items to master branch?
[14:43:35] <jepler> .. did anyone else test or otherwise dredge up an opinion?
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[15:00:38] <pcw_home> would that fix the deltas on wraps?
[15:04:03] <pcw_home> I guess Ilowpass needs a scale set so its not too crunchy but doesn't overflow too soon
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[15:38:52] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i dont understand your patch
[15:39:14] <seb_kuzminsky> the first commit does the multiplication in double, then casts the answer to s64, then to int
[15:40:23] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yes, that's what it does
[15:40:39] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: when the conversion from double to int is outside the range of int, the result is implementation-defined
[15:40:54] <jepler> on gcc/x86, the result is apparently always INT_MIN
[15:42:05] <jepler> the double->s64 and s64->int casts are also implementation-defined, but with -fwrapv the implementation defined conversion for s64->int is the good old fashioned "take the lower bits" one, and wrapping behavior is restored
[15:42:28] <jepler> so the problem of ilowpass clamping to INT_MIN is 2^32 times more counts away
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[15:44:44] <jepler> (in fact, that point is already after you've lost precision in the double, because its mantissa is only 53 bits iirc)
[15:45:48] <jepler> pcw_home: yes, specifically after that patch ilowpass's output wraps around instead of clamping
[15:46:26] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: would it help if I expand the commit message on the ilowpass change?
[15:46:33] <jepler> along the lines I was giving above
[15:51:18] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe i'm being dense here
[15:51:38] <seb_kuzminsky> if ilowpass's output wraps, won't that cause a giant jog to the other end of travel?
[15:52:20] <jepler> motion does this:
[15:52:20] <jepler> 09:27:42 < jepler> delta = new_jog_counts - joint->old_jog_counts;
[15:52:35] <jepler> with fwrapv, INT_MIN - INT_MAX is defined to be 1
[15:52:49] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe i should read the first time you explain instead of making you repeat yourself
[15:53:38] <jepler> so basically, in my testing, motion was already set up to handle the wraparound, ilowpass just wasn't wrapping around
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[15:53:46] <seb_kuzminsky> gotcha
[15:53:47] <seb_kuzminsky> cool
[15:53:52] <jepler> .. and -fwrapv is a kick in the pants of gcc to make it promise us that behavior
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[15:54:10] <seb_kuzminsky> i haven't tested it, but your explanation makes sense and if it passes your tests i say go ahead and push it
[15:54:19] <jepler> OK
[15:54:21] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess it belongs in 2.5?
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[15:54:30] <jepler> cradek: ^^ ??
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[15:57:10] <seb_kuzminsky> there's some good stuff in v2.5_branch after v2.5.3, maybe a .4 would be valuable
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[16:00:24] <seb_kuzminsky> m61 support, docs fixes, fixes to packaging, pncconf, misc components, touchy, an accel constraint violation, fixes to build on wheezy
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[16:04:01] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i'm trying to get a wheezy-rtai-i386 buildslave up soonish, then you could release 2.5 (your favorite) on wheezy (your favorite) ;-)
[16:05:50] <cradek> jepler: yes definitely 2.5 if you tested it and it works better now
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[16:13:16] <jepler> I'll add a test to prove it.
[16:13:23] <jepler> http://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/0001-ilowpass-test-for-wraparound-behavior.patch
[16:13:35] <cradek> that would be wizardly
[16:14:20] <seb_kuzminsky> i am pro-proof
[16:14:47] <cradek> we should have 12-bit encoder count types so we're forced to always get it right
[16:15:03] <cradek> or maybe signed 16 bit to make it all easy
[16:16:14] <seb_kuzminsky> that makes me think of when linus made the linux internal tick counter initialize at boot to "10 minutes before rollover" to get people to fix their rollover bugs
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[16:26:27] <pcw_home> deltas from timers are easier since they only count one way
[16:26:33] <cradek> if I have a build depend of module-init-tools|kmod, how does buildbot (pbuilder?) choose?
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[16:28:02] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: use either module-init-tools or kmod depending on the DISTRIB_NAME
[16:28:57] <cradek> module-init-tools works for all of them today, but probably won't in the future.
[16:29:46] <cradek> I was hoping to do the thing that's simpler today but would also work in the future
[16:30:36] <cradek> I guess I'll just try module-init-tools for now (since wheezy has it)
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[16:32:23] <seb_kuzminsky> i think the way i suggested will work now & in the future
[16:32:40] <cradek> hm
[16:32:50] <seb_kuzminsky> we already have per-distro build dependencies (EXTRA_BUILD in debian/configure), this fits neatly in that model
[16:32:54] <cradek> sure, it will if we update it when adding platforms
[16:33:05] <cradek> ok, you convinced me
[16:33:12] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, that's the downside :-/
[16:33:23] <cradek> but the runtime dependency can be the |
[16:33:34] <seb_kuzminsky> you'll have to do something similar for the runtime dependency - or use |
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[16:36:38] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 8a009cc 06linuxcnc 10src/Makefile Merge branch 'ilowpass-wrap' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a009cc
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[16:44:49] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i think you meant to merge 2.5 into master, not ilowpass-wrap?
[16:45:53] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: does it make a difference?
[16:46:18] <jepler> I can do it whichever way you prefer in the future.
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[16:47:49] <jepler> I felt like merging ilowpass is more explicit
[16:49:32] <cradek> I don't think it makes a difference, but I like to see the explicit merging-upwards (there are two things you want the merge to show, and it can only really show one of them...)
[16:49:48] <cradek> thanks for fixing it; that's the important thing
[16:51:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05cradek/wheezysim 7bd1a7a 06linuxcnc 10debian/control.in These are needed for building and running on all platforms * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bd1a7a
[16:51:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05cradek/wheezysim 5dc261d 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in Fail on missing programs, instead of generating bogus scripts * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dc261d
[16:51:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05cradek/wheezysim a82a6ab 06linuxcnc 10debian/configure 10debian/control.in Explicitly give the right build dependency for insmod/rmmod/etc * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a82a6ab
[16:51:50] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05cradek/wheezysim 610aaad 06linuxcnc 10debian/configure Debian testing is more like 7 than 6, today * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=610aaad
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[16:53:41] <seb_kuzminsky> agreed, fixing it is the important thing -- thanks for figuring that one out
[16:54:39] <seb_kuzminsky> i slightly prefer merging upwards because it avoids the situation we're in now (well, the situation we'll be in after the next merge of 2.5 into master), where the ilowpass-wrap commits appear twice in the history of master
[16:55:48] <jepler> you're right, after merging 2.5 into master there will be two commits that say "merge ilowpass"
[16:55:54] <cradek> .... which is all conflicty
[16:55:56] <cradek> ick
[16:56:45] <cradek> asciidoc markup and git merge conflict markup look remarkably similar
[16:58:02] <seb_kuzminsky> i should have maybe asked francis tisserant to do his doc fixes in master instead of 2.5
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[16:58:16] <seb_kuzminsky> or i should have put the fixed checkref in 2.5
[16:58:46] <cradek> Deleted merge conflict for 'docs/src/config/ini_config_de.txt':
[16:58:46] <cradek> {local}: deleted
[16:58:46] <cradek> {remote}: modified file
[16:58:46] <cradek> Use (m)odified or (d)eleted file, or (a)bort?
[16:58:54] <cradek> what does this mean?
[16:59:28] <jepler> v2.5_branch edited the file, master branch deleted it
[16:59:29] <cradek> I guess local means master (the branch I'm on)
[16:59:42] <cradek> ok
[17:02:53] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05master 53c9c63 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/config/ini_config.txt 10docs/src/hal/rtcomps_es.txt Merge branch 'v2.5_branch' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=53c9c63
[17:03:10] * cradek takes one for the team
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[17:06:38] <jepler> cradek: thanks
[17:06:47] <jepler> (it's not even because the merge was hard that I did it the way I did)
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[17:07:18] <cradek> heh, I was not accusing you of that
[17:08:14] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
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[17:15:52] <memleak> for the past year working on rtai i've mainly been focusing on 64-bit support but as for the linuxcnc live cd, does the 3.4.55 kernel with recent version of gcc (4.7.3 or 4.8.2) work with 32-bit?
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[17:24:39] <memleak> i guess if anyone here who uses 3.4.55 to run sudo apt-get install gcc && gcc --version would tell me :P
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[17:53:30] <seb_kuzminsky> memleak: we currently ship 3.4.55 rtai on ubuntu precise, which has gcc 4.6.3
[17:54:15] <memleak> is that after the stack boundary 4 vs 8 or 16 or w/e stuff happened?
[17:54:26] <memleak> the stuff John was talking about
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[17:55:52] <memleak> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.real-time.rtai/22724
[17:56:15] <memleak> That was Jan, whoops..
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[17:56:48] <memleak> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.real-time.rtai/26416
[17:57:15] <memleak> there it is!
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[18:01:41] <seb_kuzminsky> errr... not sure
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[18:23:34] <zultron> 3.5.7 & before isn't affected by the stack boundary issue; the following i-pipe patch, 3.8.13 or so, might be.
[18:25:51] <seb_kuzminsky> oh that's great, maybe we can dodge a bullet (for now)
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[18:40:48] <zultron> Agh, confusing, I think this is it: Newer kernels *and* newer gcc, so linux 3.8.13+ and recent distro releases. If either kernel or gcc is older, there's no problem.
[18:41:27] <zultron> I ran into it on Fedora 19 or 20 when compiling RTAI with the 3.8.13 i-pipe patch.
[18:41:50] <zultron> (Or maybe Xenomai kernel threads)
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[18:55:02] <memleak> zultron, thank you!
[18:55:15] <zultron> :)
[18:55:58] <memleak> zultron, seriously i cannot believe you figured that out! that's awesome!!!!!!
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[22:07:55] <memleak> zultron, looks i just completed your theory:
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/commit/?id=e2b34e311be3a57c9abcb927e37a57e38913714c
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[22:08:59] <zultron> Yup, I saw that. Glad we get to save those wasted four-byte blocks.
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[22:19:46] <memleak> so if we explicitly set -mpreferred-stack-boundary=4 in linuxcnc, would that fix it for modern kernel + gcc on amd64?
[22:20:22] <cradek> yay, looks like I finally got my wheezysim changes right
[22:22:47] <cradek> the buildbot sure keeps busy
[22:24:54] <memleak> i found the gcc commit too:
http://gcc.gnu.org/git/?p=gcc.git;a=commit;h=e24005a24f41165050220aba1cabd6da49d255fb
[22:25:44] <zultron> memleak, yes.
[22:26:38] <memleak> does boundary=4 mean 64?
[22:27:06] <memleak> that gcc commit says it needs to be 64 if 64 arch w/ SSE
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[22:39:37] <zultron> it means 2^4 bytes
[22:40:55] <memleak> so it should really be =6
[22:41:38] <zultron> I don't know where you're reading that.
[22:42:06] <zultron> It should be =4.
[22:42:37] <memleak> but thats 16 and the kernel commit says SSE doesn't work with 16-byte aligned
[22:43:07] <memleak> 2^6 = 64 and thats what the GCC commit says works
[22:44:11] <memleak> ah thats for if SSE is disabled..
[22:44:26] <memleak> (MIN_STACK_BOUNDARY): Set to 64 for 64-bit
[22:47:25] <zultron> I don't think you need to worry about that. Go back and read the rtai list postings. IIRC, another person had success with this setting.
[22:49:04] <memleak> ok thanks!
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[23:15:38] <JT-Shop> yuck G96 seems to be broken in master
[23:17:21] <cradek> yuck, howso?
[23:17:28] <JT-Shop> getting the link
[23:18:31] <JT-Shop> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/20-g-code/27648-g96-css-problem
[23:19:21] <JT-Shop> I finally got wise and asked him what version he was using'
[23:20:14] <cradek> I don't understand "but I do not get a spindle at speed and the joint sits."
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[23:21:19] <JT-Shop> that is what I'd expect to happen when you don't get spindle at speed
[23:21:42] <cradek> yes, it won't move
[23:21:58] <cradek> a feature
[23:22:12] <cradek> have you reproduced a problem?
[23:22:46] <JT-Shop> no, I've not had time
[23:23:01] <cradek> I don't understand why he has a pid in there
[23:23:02] <JT-Shop> think of three legged cat in a litter box
[23:23:14] <cradek> you know tripod?
[23:23:29] <JT-Shop> tripod is my neighbors dog
[23:23:50] <JT-Shop> one rear leg and she has to climb up my legs to get in my lap
[23:24:04] <cradek> I would not necessarily conclude from this thread that master is broken... :-/
[23:24:37] <JT-Shop> not enough facts to conclude yet
[23:25:45] <JT-Shop> I'll ask him if he changed anything between 2.5 and master
[23:25:54] <cradek> a basic g96 test in sim/lathe works fine
[23:25:59] * JT-Shop heads inside to put on the chef hat
[23:26:09] <JT-Shop> that is good
[23:26:44] <cradek> g96s100d1000m3, g0x.5, speed is 382rpm; g0x0, speed is 1000rpm
[23:27:28] <JT-Shop> thanks for checking
[23:27:36] <cradek> I don't trust his setup with pid and near
[23:29:11] <JT-Shop> gotta go and start dinner
[23:29:16] <linuxcnc-build> build #111 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_3] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4017.deb-wheezy-armhf/builds/111 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>, Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>
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[23:53:09] <andypugh> What issue were you discussing up there?
[23:54:49] <cradek> who where?
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[23:55:49] <andypugh> In between the three-legged dog
[23:56:00] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/20-g-code/27648-g96-css-problem
[23:56:09] <cradek> this report of css not working
[23:56:23] <cradek> I strongly suspect it's a config problem (my testing worked)
[23:58:25] <andypugh> Yes, I have never seen a problem, though I actually have no idea what version I am running on any of may machines. I think the mill is a jwp-ja4 combo….
[23:59:09] <andypugh> (And will probably stay that way until 2.7 as I don’t want the hassle of reverting the INI and HAL files.)