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[00:41:29] <seb_kuzminsky> hi there mozmck
[00:42:05] <seb_kuzminsky> do you still have the power to make lucid rtai kernels? we found a bug in the packaging that prevents ubc3 from building packages on that platform, it's an easy fix
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[01:12:52] <linuxcnc-build> build #58 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_3] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4017.deb-wheezy-armhf/builds/58 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
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[01:31:38] <skunkworks> logger[mah]_:
[01:31:38] <logger[mah]_> skunkworks: Log stored at
http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc-devel/2014-03-13.html
[01:32:39] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: did you see my earlier question about scratch debs?
[01:33:14] <skunkworks> oh master of all things buildbot (and everything else)
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[02:03:01] <seb_kuzminsky> oh yeah, scratch debs
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[02:03:40] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: at the bottom of the buildbot front page is a link to the developer page
[02:03:43] <skunkworks> I tried using the buildbot repositories for lucid..
[02:03:45] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, hold on a sec
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[02:04:13] <seb_kuzminsky> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/dev.html
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[02:04:46] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: Ah - thanks
[02:04:51] <skunkworks> I will try it tomorrow
[02:04:52] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: there's a blurb there about how to use scratch
[02:05:02] <skunkworks> yes - I missed that
[02:05:03] <seb_kuzminsky> about the other question, linuxcnc vs linuxcnc-dev
[02:05:09] <skunkworks> oh yah
[02:05:19] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc.deb has the programs and libraries needed to *run* linuxcnc
[02:05:40] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-dev.deb has the header files and tools needed to *develop* out-of-tree drivers and guis and things
[02:05:59] <skunkworks> ah - ok. so it is like having the buildessentials?
[02:06:20] <seb_kuzminsky> it's a little bit like that
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[02:06:44] <seb_kuzminsky> build-essential is a debian package that depends on some common development tools, like gcc and make
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[02:07:03] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-dev is a debian package that includes linuxcnc-specific development files
[02:07:18] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl, time to read harry potter with my son :-)
[02:07:56] <skunkworks> aww - I can't wait to do that with stella...
[02:08:48] <skunkworks> right now it is llama llama red pajama..
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[02:39:37] <seb_kuzminsky> oh man we got to the really good part where hagrid basically... abducts harry from the dursleys
[02:40:26] <skunkworks> which book? (I have read them all - but it has been a few years)
[02:40:37] <seb_kuzminsky> the first one
[02:41:08] <skunkworks> oh - I remember.. But it was from the dursleys 'vacation' home..
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[02:41:41] <seb_kuzminsky> heh,it was the hut-on-the-rock where uncle vernon tried to hide harry
[02:42:02] <skunkworks> right :)
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[02:44:56] <seb_kuzminsky> in a way i miss reading those little-kid books to those little kids
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[02:46:05] <skunkworks> I am sure - but when they are older - the books are more interesting...
[02:46:38] <seb_kuzminsky> that's for sure
[02:47:04] <seb_kuzminsky> i tried to read 'starship troopers' to them a few months ago but they got freaked out and we had to stop :-/
[02:47:07] <seb_kuzminsky> try again in a few years
[02:47:12] <skunkworks> (and honestly - harry potter is a very well written series..)
[02:47:43] <skunkworks> have to let me know what other books go over well..
[02:49:15] <seb_kuzminsky> my daughter's a voracious reader... she like percy jackson, the warriors, and tons more
[02:49:36] <seb_kuzminsky> i tried to get her to read 'a wizard of earthsea' but i dont think she's quite ready yet
[02:49:45] <skunkworks> how old?
[02:50:07] <seb_kuzminsky> 9
[02:50:22] <andypugh> I read all of Harry Potter, it was good.
[02:50:42] <andypugh> Apparently JK Rowling is the firt ever author to make a billion.
[02:50:52] <seb_kuzminsky> cool, i'm looking forward to reading it too now
[02:51:10] <skunkworks> when the last book of the harry potter series came out - my wife and I had to both buy a copy so we could read it at the same time...
[02:51:32] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[02:52:58] <skunkworks> 'where are you at?' 'Don't tell me!'
[02:54:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master a169e25 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/Submakefile Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/v2.5_branch' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a169e25
[02:55:56] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky:
http://www.amazon.com/A-Beautiful-Friendship-Star-Kingdom/dp/1451638264/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1394679077&sr=8-1&keywords=weber+friendship is probably 12 not 9, it has girls and boys being confused by each other, but it's modern SF for a younger audience, written by someone whi writes good adult stuff.
[02:57:42] <seb_kuzminsky> wow, that sounds great! i'll check it out for sure
[02:58:00] <andypugh> (the protaganist is 12 (terran))
[02:58:38] <andypugh> You can actually read the first several pages from the "see inside" link on amazon.
[02:59:05] <skunkworks> wife and I tried to get into the hunger games but after reading the couple chapter teaser from B&N - we didn't actually buy them..
[02:59:28] <andypugh> I read all of them too
[03:00:18] <skunkworks> what did you think?
[03:00:24] <andypugh> The first is best. I don't like how she wins the game under their rules, not by changing the rules
[03:01:00] <andypugh> But I did enjoy the series.
[03:01:37] <skunkworks> I should go to bed... andypugh - what are you doing up?
[03:02:11] <seb_kuzminsky> i read the first hunger games but couldn't make myself continue the series
[03:03:29] <skunkworks> (we actually read the twilight series... - we enjoyed it...)
[03:03:55] <andypugh> Hmm, good point. But I brought a car home last night, and will be legitimately hacking the wiring loom and inserting my own instumentation for some testing tomorrow morning, so my working day can start the instant i walk out the door.
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[04:00:50] <linuxcnc-build> build #59 of 4017.deb-wheezy-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_3] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/4017.deb-wheezy-armhf/builds/59 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
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[04:44:29] <memleak> this channel goes OT!?
[04:45:01] <memleak> first time i've seen that!
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[05:18:16] <seb_kuzminsky> memleak: don't tell cradek, he'll kick us out
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[05:56:42] <memleak> says the one who just pinged him :P
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[13:11:36] <alex_jon1> JT-Shop: around?
[13:11:40] <alex_jon1> jthornton: hi
[13:12:50] <jthornton> hi! for a minute
[13:12:58] <alex_jon1> good
[13:13:13] <jthornton> actually I'll see you out in the shop in a minute
[13:13:15] <alex_jon1> I changed some stuff for registrations, trying out now to see if I get a confirmation email
[13:13:32] <jthornton> Great!
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[13:16:49] <JT-Shop> ok I'm out here now for a bit
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[13:32:32] <alex_jon1> JT-Shop: lets do this in a /msg
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[14:00:55] <alex_jon1> JT-Shop: a 'public' summary ;)
[14:01:08] <alex_jon1> there are multiple hosts that belong to DreamHost where linuxcnc.org is hosted
[14:01:26] <alex_jon1> when the website sends an email, a random outgoing server is selected
[14:01:49] <alex_jon1> some of the servers work, some don't as they are included in a DNS blacklist (like spamcop or dnsbl)
[14:02:10] <alex_jon1> here's an example:
http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=checkblock&ip=69.163.254.26
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[14:07:51] <cradek> well that sucks
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[14:09:10] <cradek> I bet big providers like dreamhost constantly have to fight this
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[14:09:44] <archivist> with all the vulnerable websites that act as spam sources that users want to host
[14:10:00] <cradek> you need meticulous email hygeine to stay off all these various blacklists, and you simply can't have it with shared systems
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[14:11:00] <cradek> sadly our only likely remedy is to stop depending on email
[14:11:22] <cradek> we (well swp) could complain to dreamhost but it can't possibly help very much
[14:11:36] <archivist> or change to a dedicated ip for our stuff
[14:11:56] <cradek> you mean move our hosting altogether? sure that would fix it
[14:12:08] <cradek> but jeez
[14:13:05] <archivist> or can we send via a clean host, not dreamhost
[14:13:43] <cradek> it's not clear to me how we could do that without moving the forum software
[14:14:16] <archivist> just change the settings
[14:14:28] <cradek> explain?
[14:14:38] <archivist> it should be able to use another host
[14:15:14] <cradek> oh you're assuming it uses smtp submission and you are suggesting to cause it to relay
[14:15:22] <cradek> ?
[14:15:40] <archivist> ie dont use dreamhost as the relay use gmail or something else
[14:16:34] <cradek> there's no such thing as a reputable open relay, so we'd need an arrangement (smtp auth) with a reputable relay
[14:16:49] <cradek> (assuming the forum uses smtp submission)
[14:16:57] <archivist> I agree it has to be a reputable relay
[14:18:48] <cradek> looks like it has smtp auth support
[14:21:10] <cradek> dreamhost may not allow outgoing smtp connections not going through their smarthosts
[14:21:13] <cradek> we'd have to try
[14:22:30] <cradek> [snotra]$ telnet mail.timeguy.com smtp
[14:22:30] <cradek> Trying 76.79.18.202...
[14:22:31] <cradek> telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[14:22:49] <cradek> so, nope (IMO this is a proper decision for them to make)
[14:25:17] <archivist> refused means your end doesnt it?, you didnt get no route to host
[14:25:36] <cradek> no, my end is fine
[14:25:47] <cradek> they're blocking it
[14:26:04] <cradek> with a packet filtering block you wouldn't expect to see no route to host
[14:27:01] <cradek> but maybe they allow submission
[14:27:38] <cradek> yeah they do allow outgoing submission
[14:27:49] <cradek> so it might be possible
[14:28:14] <cradek> brb
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[14:45:56] <alex_joni> we can select php mail, smtp mail and another setting in the forum
[14:47:42] <cradek> personally I'd hate to relay all the forum's mail
[14:47:47] <cradek> I see at least two major problems:
[14:48:22] <cradek> 1, people report as spam things they don't want to see, even when they caused it (subscribed to threads accidentally, especially since this is our default, which I think is a questionable decision)
[14:48:45] <cradek> 2, forum subscription emails are one way to try sending out actual spam, or more likely, just harass a certain person
[14:49:08] <cradek> these kinds of emails do tend to get your mail server on blacklists, whether that's fair or not
[14:50:48] <cradek> alex_joni: can it send the regular forum emails (resulting from being subscribed to threads) to dreamhost, and the subscription emails to a separate smtp submission agent one of us controls?
[14:51:25] <cradek> (I'd guess no - those settings apply to all emails)
[14:51:35] <alex_joni> cradek: I think so
[14:51:45] <alex_joni> we actually care about registration emails now
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[14:51:53] <alex_joni> and those are not sent by the forum email
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[14:52:07] <alex_joni> but rather by the CMS (joomla + community builder extension)
[14:52:19] <alex_joni> so we can keep forum as is
[14:52:23] <cradek> interesting
[14:52:26] <cradek> that's a lot less bad then
[14:52:29] <alex_joni> and only change registration through an external smtp
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[14:54:09] <cradek> all we need is some brave soul to run the relay
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[15:03:27] <cradek> and silence falls
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[15:06:17] * JT-Shop just got back from town and reads back
[15:06:56] <seb_kuzminsky> zultron: i think the 'parallel make of the docs sometimes fails' problem we talked about way back when is fixed now, 6e3b6a43f94
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[15:08:41] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: commit bee611dd8f isn't working for me - when i build the docs i still see all the .html files in docs/src
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[15:09:31] <seb_kuzminsky> i think ** is a bash extension to globbing, it's not mentioned in glob(7) or glob(3) of fnmatch(3)
[15:09:45] <JT-Shop> what is an external smtp?
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[15:12:09] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05v2.5_branch b44a252 06linuxcnc 10src/.gitignore ignore the new html docs stamp files * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b44a252
[15:12:26] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: from man gitignore: Two consecutive asterisks ("**") in patterns matched against full pathname may have special meaning:
[15:12:38] <seb_kuzminsky> the "may" sounds ominous
[15:12:49] <cradek> it's followed by many inscrutable bullet points
[15:13:04] <seb_kuzminsky> my gitignore(5) does not say that
[15:13:11] <seb_kuzminsky> 1.7.9.5, ubuntu precise
[15:13:18] <cradek> git version 1.8.5.3
[15:13:24] <seb_kuzminsky> aha
[15:13:45] <seb_kuzminsky> you frisky youngsters have newer better tools than us stodgy old conservative folk
[15:14:23] <cradek> ha
[15:14:26] <seb_kuzminsky> imma fix it for me
[15:14:44] * cradek pounds madly on his 1986 Model M
[15:19:42] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master c2dcc7d 06linuxcnc 10.gitignore fix gitignore to ignore generated docs * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2dcc7d
[15:19:43] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 05master 5aad39a 06linuxcnc 10src/.gitignore Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/v2.5_branch' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5aad39a
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[15:22:00] <cradek> yay
[15:28:51] <alex_joni> JT-Shop: SMTP = simple mail transfer protocol (e.g. email)
[15:29:11] <alex_joni> external smtp - is a smtp server that can send email, but is not hosted at dreamhost
[15:29:19] <JT-Shop> ah ok
[15:29:41] <JT-Shop> how do you get the email to the external smtp?
[15:30:09] <alex_joni> you tell joomla to send it using that external smtp (it gets generated there)
[15:30:37] <alex_joni> currently it's set up to generate the email on the same system where joomla is installed
[15:35:08] <cradek> JT-Shop: executive summary is our mail comes from machines that send all of dreamhosts's mail, and some of that is spammy, so that sending machine sometimes gets blacklisted
[15:35:53] <cradek> it's one of the curses you get when you use shared hosting
[15:36:30] <skunkworks> questions on the scratch build. If I add the scratch build repositories then do a sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get install linuxcnc I get dgarrs build... if I install the circular-rc1 deb - it works - but if I do a sudo apt-get install linuxcnc (or do the update manager) it then re-installs the dgarrs deb.. (I know this is a flaw in the scratch builds.. but is there a work around?
[15:37:11] <alex_joni> you can specify the version of the package you want to install
[15:37:48] <cradek> yeah you're always going to get the "newest" one, where newest is according to debian package version sorting rules
[15:37:57] <skunkworks> I am trying to setup direction to use the debs for mere mortals... but if they run the update manager - it will install the latest deb
[15:37:58] <alex_joni> sudo apt-get install linuxcnc=mumble
[15:37:59] <cradek> you can pin to a certian version, which isn't really what you want either
[15:39:09] <skunkworks> bbl
[15:39:11] <cradek> well it's worse than that, because they're sorted by SHA
[15:39:34] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: the scratch debs are deliberately made to sort as "older than" the regular debs
[15:39:54] <cradek> scratch isn't suitable for use as a regular deb "source"
[15:40:06] <seb_kuzminsky> agreed
[15:40:44] <cradek> we'd need scratch/branchname/package.increasing-numbers-from-a-tag
[15:42:08] <seb_kuzminsky> if debian supported wildcards in apt sources.list files we could use $BRANCH/increasing-numbers-from-a-tag
[15:42:28] <seb_kuzminsky> "deb
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org precise *"
[15:43:28] <cradek> if my grandmother had wheels...
[15:44:36] <seb_kuzminsky> oh the things we would do if your grandmother had wheels
[15:44:41] <alex_joni> heh
[15:45:01] <alex_joni> we could also tweak the package name? linuxcnc-branch
[15:45:05] <alex_joni> provides linuxcnc
[15:45:14] <alex_joni> so you can only install one at a time
[15:45:57] <cradek> install name=version doesn't pin the version number does it? it still gets upgraded next time
[15:46:07] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i think that's true
[15:46:08] <alex_joni> cradek: yes
[15:46:11] <seb_kuzminsky> alex_joni: that's an interesting idea
[15:47:17] <seb_kuzminsky> but i think it solves a problem that only skunkworks has
[15:47:25] <alex_joni> right
[15:47:35] <seb_kuzminsky> up until now no one but developers (or no one, maybe) cared about scratch debs
[15:47:43] <cradek> well the wider problem is you can't use normal aptness to get upgrades along a development branch
[15:48:10] <alex_joni> since git tags are not alphabetically sorted
[15:48:11] <cradek> (but I agree with you, this isn't a common problem)
[15:48:40] <seb_kuzminsky> if sources.list supproted wildcard components (like above), then we could have a component per branch
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[15:48:59] <seb_kuzminsky> the buildslaves could find all the dsc files (because they would use wildcards in their apt)
[15:49:20] <seb_kuzminsky> users would not use wildcards, they'd select the component (aka branch) they wanted in their sources.list
[15:50:02] <seb_kuzminsky> user upgrades would work right, they would get newer debs from their branch and not accidentally switch to a different branch
[15:50:27] <cradek> maybe we could use target-release (install -t lucid-somebranch)
[15:51:07] <alex_joni> or apt-get install linuxcnc/targetbranch
[15:51:09] <seb_kuzminsky> the release is already part of the apt line, separate from the component
[15:51:30] <alex_joni> if you have more than one releases then you can select between them I think
[15:51:48] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
[15:52:26] <cradek> I guess let's just answer "no" to skunkworks's question "is there a workaround?"
[15:53:08] <alex_joni> I'd answer "we think no, but prove us wrong" :)
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[15:53:41] <cradek> I could argue it's a feature that upgrade puts you back to normal
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[16:57:20] <zultron> seb_kuzminsky, great! (make -j docs fix) I never figured out how to tickle that reliably.
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[17:34:19] <skunkworks> well - it doesn't put you back to 'normal..' it puts you back to whatever the newest scratch build is..
[17:36:30] <skunkworks> or I a not understanding what is normal ;)
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[18:52:14] <skunkworks> wow - lets see how complicated we can make a rep rap?
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[18:56:03] <cradek> skunkworks: I don't suggest adding the scratch directory as a source (in sources.list or equivalent). if you don't do that, you don't get any of the crazyness.
[18:56:28] <cradek> that's a dumping ground for debs built from unknown branches, not a deb repository that makes sense
[18:56:51] <skunkworks> oh - so if I don't add the sources I can do a sudo dkpg -i whatever.dev and it will install?
[18:56:58] <cradek> you can install debs from there with dpkg -i and not get any weirdness. when you run upgrade, you'll go back to whatever is in your sources
[18:57:02] <cradek> yes exactly
[18:57:22] <skunkworks> ok - how do make it install all the dependancies?
[18:57:52] <skunkworks> when I tried this I was missing a few things that it scolded me about.
[18:58:11] <cradek> after dpkg -i, you can do apt-get -f install and it will work out new dependencies if possible
[18:58:30] <skunkworks> (then adding sources and doing a apt-get updated fixed iirc
[18:58:42] <skunkworks> ah - ok
[18:58:45] <skunkworks> I will try that.
[18:59:19] * skunkworks goes to find a fresh install of linuxcnc...
[19:00:00] <skunkworks> they are getting harder and harder to find around here. I should have taken a snapshot of my vm before I mucked it up
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[19:58:08] <cradek> x = joints[0]; ... left_virtual = atan(-y/x);
[20:03:46] <skunkworks> charles thing?
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[20:22:23] <cradek> yeah
[20:22:31] <cradek> I tried to help him
[20:22:54] <cradek> I don't envy his deadline
[20:27:07] <cradek> viesturs also thinks it's a kinematics nightmare :-/
[20:27:35] <cradek> if I understand wallykins it looks like the normal working area is near a singularity
[20:28:21] <cradek> I bet the goal was to use only rotary joints which can be made more easily than slidey joints -- but I wonder why not use delta
[20:29:55] <cradek> https://github.com/NicholasSeward/ConceptFORGE/blob/master/Wally/DOCUMENTATION/I
[20:29:58] <cradek> oops
[20:30:12] <cradek> https://raw.github.com/NicholasSeward/ConceptFORGE/master/Wally/DOCUMENTATION/INVERSE%20KINEMATICS.png
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[20:38:02] <cradek> I think the code is basic converted to python converted to C...
[20:38:53] <cradek> joints[0] = left_stepper*200/M_PI;
[20:39:18] <cradek> I think this is a conversion from radians to stepperdegrees
[20:42:03] <cradek> alex_joni: so you turned off the emails?
[20:44:45] <jthornton> cradek, I did
[20:45:40] <cradek> do you think that's an adequate long-term fix, or do we need the email process?
[20:47:04] <jthornton> let's let it run like this for a bit and see if we don't have any spammers
[20:47:39] <jthornton> I'm going to PR for 5 days so I can't manual confirm anyone till late next week
[20:50:59] <cradek> what's PR?
[20:53:23] <jthornton> Puerto Rico, where my wife is from... sadly we are going to scatter her mothers ashes into the sea at her birthplace
[20:53:48] <cradek> heck, sorry to hear that
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[22:26:14] <andypugh> Well, it turns out that the guy asking about toolchangers has decided to go with Mach
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[22:49:48] <Tom_itx> he must have given up
[22:50:08] <andypugh> Yeah :-(
[22:50:31] <Tom_itx> i don't recall him asking very much before he did either
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[22:51:14] <andypugh> He wanted to pay someone to set up LinuxCNC for him, in Florida. But nobody was interested.
[22:52:40] <Tom_itx> not a self starter ehh?
[22:54:46] <andypugh> He wanted the machine productive in 2 weeks. Nobody in LinuxCNC-land thought that was possible. I have notied that Mach users are much more optimistic in that regard. And much less accurate in their optimism.
[22:55:36] <Tom_itx> not sure what he needed done but that sounds like a short timeframe to production
[22:56:50] <andypugh> There is a toolchanger, that was the sticking point.
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[23:11:09] <cradek> andypugh: was it you who advised he get the drawbar wired up to a pushbutton and get his parts made so the pinch is over? that sounded like good advice to me.
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[23:12:09] <andypugh> "Use LinuxCNC not Mach" was also probably ggod advice, but he ignored it.
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