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[05:21:31] <seb_kuzminsky> zultron:
http://highlab.com/~seb/linuxcnc/for-zultron
[05:21:58] <zultron> Yup, that would do it: # - memlock - max locked-in-memory address space (KB)
[05:22:04] <zultron> Patch forthcoming....
[05:22:06] <seb_kuzminsky> obvs i need to put the file there, i'm just whining about the error and the misleading suggestion
[05:22:10] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks!
[05:23:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm off for the night, see you another time
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[05:31:39] <zultron> 'night
[05:32:27] <zultron> Thanks for pointing those out.
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[05:36:05] <zultron> seb_kuzminsky, I don't see KGB-linuxcnc around here right now. See the top two commits in glo/zultron/ubc3-dev.
[05:36:16] <zultron> (mostly untested)
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[09:47:06] <linuxcnc-build> build #1878 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
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[09:47:06] <linuxcnc-build> <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, Andy Pugh <andy@bodgesoc.org>, Frederic Rible <frible@teaser.fr>, Bence Kovacs <bence.kovacs@generalmechatronics.com>, Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>, Michael Geszkiewicz <micges@wp.pl>, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, ArcEye <arceye@mgware.co.uk>, Dewey Garrett <dgarrett@panix.com>
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[14:03:22] <dgarr> any objection to merging branch dgarr/ini_includes to master ?
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[14:17:56] <cradek> dgarr: something is wrong - you have all teh commits twice, off two different parents, then merged together
[14:18:00] <cradek> the
[14:18:34] <dgarr> i know -- i don't care something went wrong, the result is ok ( i think)
[14:18:53] <cradek> brb
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[14:56:25] <cradek> was there an existing ini file setup that made emccalib not work, before this change?
[14:58:07] <dgarr> axis.ini
[14:58:16] <dgarr> for example
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[14:59:48] <cradek> sorry - which one? what made it not work?
[15:00:15] <dgarr> sim configs typically don't have the right stuff in ini nor hal files for emccalib
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[15:01:03] <dgarr> so when a user tries it , the result is unproductive and confusing
[15:01:15] <cradek> oh I see - so this is the situation where it shows nothing useful (because there's nothing to tune) and you generate a message now, instead of showing a mostly blank screen
[15:01:29] <dgarr> yes
[15:01:55] <cradek> ok, thanks (still studying)
[15:02:52] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03John Morris 05zultron/ubc3-dev 5a58181 06linuxcnc 10scripts/check-system-configuration.sh scripts/check-system-configuration.sh: suppress error * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a58181
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[15:22:19] <linuxcnc-build> build #27 of 1401.rip-wheezy-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at
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[15:23:49] <linuxcnc-build> build #27 of 1400.rip-wheezy-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at
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[16:02:32] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: i think you should discard the erroneous merge commit 3c4a3fcd5, and then we should consider bc1880c0 the head of ini-includes
[16:04:22] <dgarr> as usual, i'm not how to do that for origin/dgarr/ini_includes -- if you want to fix it and merge to master for me that would be great
[16:04:50] <seb_kuzminsky> ok sure
[16:05:07] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: do you agree that bc1880c0 is the commit to consider for merging into master?
[16:05:14] <seb_kuzminsky> (I haven't reviewed it yet)
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[16:17:39] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr: the changes to linuxcnc.in and the docs look good to me, i haven't looked at the rest
[16:18:27] <dgarr> the rest is just a test configuration for demonstration
[16:18:58] <dgarr> oh, and updates for emccalib
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[16:29:29] <cradek> I suggest using something like breal=$(eval echo "$b"), instead of reinventing (part of) tilde expansion
[16:31:29] <cradek> but in general, I wonder if using something existing to do the expansion would be better
[16:32:00] <cradek> cpp is an obvious choice but I don't know if machines without build-essential have it
[16:32:42] <cradek> adding include ability to our reader(s) is hard because I think we have at least three of them, written in bash, c++, and (though not by us) python
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[16:34:28] <dgarr> what specificallyare the readers you refer to?
[16:35:58] <cradek> I thought inivar was a bash function, but it's a program we build
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[16:36:25] <cradek> so maybe there are only two readers: that inivar code (which is built into inivar and also linked into things like task) and the python inifile module
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[16:37:25] <cradek> oops I mean the python ConfigParser module
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[16:39:28] <dgarr> cradek: i'm not folowing,the branch creates a temporary ini file and nothing that reads ini files is modified
[16:39:29] <cradek> interesting, ConfigParser has expansion built in (we wrote an incompatible version ourselves)
[16:39:58] <seb_kuzminsky> it does?!
[16:40:15] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky:
http://docs.python.org/2/library/configparser.html
[16:41:26] <cradek> dgarr: sorry for being opaque. I was wondering whether putting include smarts in the reader would be a better approach. to evaluate that, I was talking about whether it would be hard to do or not.
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[16:42:04] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, you mean variable expansion, not file-include expansion
[16:42:10] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
[16:42:58] <cradek> I'm not focusing very well am I
[16:43:01] <cradek> sorry
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[16:51:17] <seb_kuzminsky> speaking of jumping around on topics, linuxcnc doesnt build on debian jesse because libgnomeprintui (used by classic ladder) was removed, because it's obsolete says the package maintainer
[16:51:28] <seb_kuzminsky> so we've got that going for us, which is not nice
[16:56:10] <cradek> dgarr: do you want me to fix up the git and merge that? then we can work on improving the tilde expansion stuff.
[16:56:48] <dgarr> that would be fine with me
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[17:01:04] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05master bc1880c 06linuxcnc fast forward * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc1880c
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[17:06:13] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks
[17:07:26] <dgarr> thanks! i don't claim to be a bash expert so if the tilde expansion can be improved that would be good
[17:08:28] <cradek> welcome
[17:08:32] <cradek> I'm playing with the expansion
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[17:09:14] <cradek> I think my ~ fix will give expanding environment for free, and I can imagine using it like #INCLUDE dir/${LINUXCNCVERSION}/file
[17:09:31] <cradek> err I meant will give dollar expansion
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[17:28:43] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05master bcc1be2 06linuxcnc 10scripts/linuxcnc.in Use bash's built-in expansion * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=bcc1be2
[17:28:43] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05master a89b4e9 06linuxcnc 10scripts/linuxcnc.in Fix including files with spaces in their names * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=a89b4e9
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[17:34:39] <cradek> I tested an include file named "axis 1.inc" and "2.6.0~pre" (with #INCLUDE ${LINUXCNCVERSION}) which is a cool trick
[17:35:09] <cradek> with care, you could make a config that tweaks itself to run on different versions
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[17:40:06] <cradek> dgarr: thanks for doing that - people have sure asked for it more than once.
[17:40:41] <dgarr> thanks for your help
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[20:46:26] <zultron> seb_kuzminsky, you can pull from glo/zultron/ubc3-dev into glo/unified-build-candidate-3 to get three fixes to check-system-configuration.sh.
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[20:50:13] <cradek> zultron: might it be better to use ulimit -l?
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[20:52:10] <zultron> And assume that if limits in the current shell are acceptable, that the system's configured as needed? Probably.
[20:53:27] <cradek> it's valid if they're systemwide and/or this user is the one who will be trying to run it
[20:54:48] <cradek> a suitably perverse person might use login classes or something to do it, and the ulimit test could be more correct in that case
[20:56:01] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05dgarr/demo_apps 14a8080 06linuxcnc 10(19 files in 6 dirs) linuxcnc.in,pickconfig.tcl: support .demo files * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=14a8080
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[20:56:52] <cradek> I confirmed my 3.4.55-rtai-2 machine with linuxcnc 1:2.6.0~pre0.5022.gdc54291 installed reports ulimit -l => 20480
[20:57:28] <cradek> for my normal user
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[21:00:55] <cradek> jthornton: following errors in sim? what sim? that sounds like bugs, not a problem with your script
[21:02:06] <cradek> zultron: do you want me to change it?
[21:02:38] <zultron> cradek, sure, fix it as you see fit. Thanks!
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[21:22:47] <cradek> zultron: we've been setting 20480 for ages, and unfortunately we have been using the non- .d/ method. do you know for sure that's not enough? if it's enough it would be nice to relax this test to save trouble.
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[21:29:01] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05zultron/ubc3-dev 25029d5 06linuxcnc 10scripts/check-system-configuration.sh Check memlock in a safer way * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=25029d5
[21:29:27] <zultron> Sorry, I don't know the ideal value. In my config management system, I install a file with 32768. I think these numbers are all arbitrary.
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[21:30:55] <cradek> yeah I don't know how to know
[21:31:19] <cradek> it's a separate conceptual change anyway, so I pushed what I had so far
[21:31:28] <zultron> I'm fine with 20480. In the unlikely chance it breaks something, we can raise it.
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[21:32:07] <cradek> that would save our rtai folks neck pain if it's actually enough
[21:32:09] <cradek> I'll change it
[21:32:10] <cradek> thanks
[21:32:25] <zultron> Great, thank you.
[21:33:40] <zultron> Honestly, I think this check belongs in run-time code, not the build-time code.
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[21:33:58] <cradek> that's absolutely true
[21:34:33] <zultron> Perhaps I'd read a 'memlock_min' value from a config file, set to 20480 by default, and compare it to the currently set limit.
[21:34:53] <cradek> and it's a bogus test anyway. some machines need more than others (because I think it's proportional to the number of hal pins or somesuch) - so a graceful failure if it's too low for the config you try to run is what we actually want
[21:35:49] <zultron> Yes. If the check fails, the realtime environment should refuse to start. If the user is sure he wants a different value, it can be set in the config file.
[21:36:02] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Radek 05zultron/ubc3-dev 4bb89e0 06linuxcnc 10scripts/check-system-configuration.sh Old RTAI users have had 20480 forever; this is probably enough. * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=4bb89e0
[21:36:18] <cradek> this is sure easier :-/
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[21:36:41] <zultron> And it makes no sense to spit out a bunch of warnings when it's quite likely we're building on a non-RT host.
[21:37:04] <cradek> you're making me sad
[21:37:22] <zultron> Why come you sad?
[21:37:46] <cradek> fixing stuff with trivial bashisms is firmly within my skill set
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[21:38:14] <zultron> Well, we could transplant it into realtime.in.
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[21:43:06] <cradek> (what's the cultural expectation regarding pushing to someone-else/featurename branches?)
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[21:43:42] <cradek> is that normal when you want to fix something but someone-else should still be the boss of the branch?
[21:46:30] <zultron> I've heard those are used as 'personal' branches, and I saw Seb doing it, so I did it too. :)
[21:46:48] <cradek> you know exactly as much as me about it, then!
[21:47:01] <cradek> I like the idea
[21:47:04] <zultron> As for glo/ubc3, Seb's indicated that it's frozen, so I'm a little wary of touching it.
[21:47:05] <seb_kuzminsky> you have to pee on it to mark it as yours
[21:47:35] <seb_kuzminsky> i asked michael to stop merging new kinematics and things into it, is that what you mean?
[21:47:57] <seb_kuzminsky> bugfixes & things are of course welcome
[21:48:01] <zultron> Yeah, I've heard of git server configs where one may force-push branches beginning with his own user name, but shared branches will refuse force pushes.
[21:48:23] <cradek> I'd assume it's frozen for new features, but wanting bugfixes
[21:48:42] <zultron> Yeah, I know you said 'new features', but I still feel shy.
[21:49:16] <cradek> that sounds smart (but if we just approximate that by culture that's fine with me too - rarely we do need to force push shared branches)
[21:49:35] <seb_kuzminsky> zultron: i appreciate your help in stabilizing it and making it mergeable, and i trust you to do the right thing
[21:49:48] <cradek> me too me too
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[21:49:59] <zultron> Ok, thanks, guys, I appreciate it.
[21:51:15] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: so you're suggesting boldly peeing wherever appropriate?
[21:51:30] <seb_kuzminsky> err
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[21:51:44] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck wants no part of this conversation
[21:51:48] <cradek> well something like that.
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[21:53:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i suggest/request everyone help in rolling this boulder over the hill, and if that means pushing to a branch that says 'seb' in the name that's fine
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[21:53:45] <seb_kuzminsky> i use it partially as a way to help remind me which branches are my responsibility to finish and/or remove
[21:54:10] <seb_kuzminsky> and partially as a way to help other devs declutter the 'git branch -a' list mentally - they can just ignore stuff that says seb in the branch name
[21:54:16] <cradek> I like how it fixes the problem of not knowing who should eventually remove it
[21:55:16] <seb_kuzminsky> it's also kind of a warning that i may force-push it whenever i feel like it (unless you've spoken to me about it and asked me to stay my hand)
[21:55:52] <seb_kuzminsky> but i think we all have enough git-fu to handle races in that process
[21:57:03] <zultron> Solves proliferation of branches in a shared repo, big plus.
[21:57:32] <zultron> Why not enforce new branch creation with git server configuration?
[21:58:10] <cradek> enforce what rule?
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[22:00:22] <zultron> Mmm, pushing new branches not prepended with your user name + '/' will fail.
[22:01:08] <cradek> I guess I'd rather use culture to do stuff like that, so people can do something else when it makes sense
[22:01:32] <cradek> I hate to lock things down when there's really not an active problem it solves
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[22:01:57] <zultron> Sure. And I can think of problems it introduces.
[22:02:02] <cradek> I've had committers say "I only need write access to certain directories" and such, but that's not a thing I do, because why do it?
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[22:05:09] <cradek> (once we talked about allowing *anyone* to push to anon/branchname, which I think is an interesting possibility in the opposite direction)
[22:06:22] <cradek> bbl, my weekend is starting
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[22:08:05] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd be scared to let anon run 'sudo make setuid' on all the buildslaves
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[23:18:27] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: yes I'm sure you wouldn't want to buildbot them (or probably do anything with them really, except review and merge them into something useful)
[23:18:38] <cradek> anyway, it's not a thing to do today
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[23:56:31] <dgarr> seb_kuzminsky: or cradek: i've managed to make the same git mistake with a new branch, maybe someone can analyze what i do wrong:
http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/gitprob.txt