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[11:24:44] <linuxcnc-build> build #15 of deb-wheezy-sim-binary-armhf is complete: Failure [4failed apt-get-update shell_3] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/deb-wheezy-sim-binary-armhf/builds/15 blamelist: Norbert Schechner <nieson@web.de>
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[13:04:51] <qingpei> anyone know the error like "linuxcnc/libexec/rtapi_msgd: FATAL - will not run as root"
[13:12:55] <micges> qingpei: did you run 'sudo make setuid' ?
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[13:15:21] <qingpei> micges: yes, i use root to run "make setuid"
[13:15:34] <qingpei> it would be the same as "sudo make setuid" right?
[13:15:43] <micges> yes
[13:16:08] <qingpei> besides this, i do not know what else i can find to deal with this
[13:23:49] <micges> try running scripts/check-system-configuration.sh
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[13:56:46] <qingpei> micges: get not much useful info
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[14:28:23] <mhaberler> qingpei: you are running this as root
[14:28:36] <mhaberler> as the error message says: "will not run as root"
[14:28:46] <qingpei> mhaberler: sure
[14:29:44] <mhaberler> run it as a normal user and it will work
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[14:54:50] <qingpei> how
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[15:00:15] <CaptHindsight> are you running from a terminal as root? run it from another terminal as a user
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[15:11:17] <qingpei> CaptHindsight: i tried , but after ./linuxcnc/scripts/rip-environment
[15:11:38] <qingpei> there is no command "linuxcnc" as i log in as root
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[15:26:06] <mhaberler> Seb_kuzminsky: was that on a bb?
[15:29:41] <mhaberler> perfcounters on some arm chips seem to have issues, see answer #2
https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+bug/1018092 and the comment in
http://neocontra.blogspot.co.at/2013/05/user-mode-performance-counters-for.html
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[15:31:07] <mhaberler> might be we are tad too ambitious with these hw counters; probably should switch to a plain gettimeofday()
[15:32:07] <mhaberler> doesnt matter for posix anyway
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[15:39:29] <mhaberler> yeah, see -bone - was a bb
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[15:59:56] <seb_kuzminsky> mhaberler: yes, a beagle bone black
[16:00:27] <mhaberler> I'm checking with #beagle what they say about perfcounters; this might be rather hw dependent after all
[16:00:46] <mhaberler> aka 'errata'
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[16:07:15] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=master precise-i386-realtime-rip
[16:07:16] <linuxcnc-build> build #1045 forced
[16:07:16] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[16:10:05] <mhaberler> the other thing that puzzles me: if this is a perfcounter, then your run would suggest the resolution is about 12uS which is pretty much useless
[16:12:09] <mhaberler> there is a somewhat opaque comment from a TI guy here:
http://e2e.ti.com/support/arm/sitara_arm/f/791/t/306119.aspx
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[16:13:12] <mhaberler> together with the AM335x TRM spruh73g.pdf that would suggest it isnt supported
[16:19:55] <seb_kuzminsky> the perf counter only counts cycles while the process is running. The sleep doesnt count :-(
[16:20:10] <mhaberler> ok, makes sense
[16:20:54] <mhaberler> but then it is dubious whether this is a useful TSC replacement
[16:21:56] <mhaberler> we need an absolute tick, not a perfcounter
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[18:19:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05master 1cbe86c 06linuxcnc 10lib/python/pyngcgui.py 10tcl/ngcgui.tcl ngcgui-gcmc: always pass floating point * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=1cbe86c
[18:19:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Dewey Garrett 05master b64d749 06linuxcnc 10(13 files in 7 dirs) ngcgui-gcmc programmable involute-gear example * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b64d749
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[19:19:37] <qingpei> anyone can help me to take a look at a startup failure
http://pastebin.ca/2650635
[19:20:56] <cradek> the real error will probably be found in dmesg or syslog
[19:21:11] <cradek> > See the log and output of 'dmesg' for more information.
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[19:22:55] <mhaberler> dmesg wont help; have a look at /var/log/linuxcnc.log
[19:23:22] <mhaberler> very likely it is a missing sudo make setuid, and the log will say so if this was the case
[19:24:12] <mhaberler> this means that rtapi_app failed to start, and that is typically an environmental precondition missing (like the setuid bit)
[19:24:34] <qingpei> thx
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[21:08:29] <cmorley> skunkworks: I read the MACH list emails. Very interesting and even ... civil... :) Will you try Quantrum some time too?
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[21:35:59] <KGB-linuxcnc> 052.5-platform-supported 2493e88 06linuxcnc 04. branch deleted * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=2493e88
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[21:42:22] <seb_kuzminsky> i just completed some changes in the buildbot
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[21:43:24] <seb_kuzminsky> i reorganized the builders on the waterfall page (
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/waterfall) so that the initial "build rip & run runtests" are on the left side, i think this is more clear than having them on the right side
[21:43:56] <seb_kuzminsky> i also added a script for the buildbot called "platform-is-supported", that's run by all the "rip & test" builders to see if their platform should be skipped
[21:44:14] <seb_kuzminsky> the script's only in 2.5 currently, but i plan to merge it into master
[21:44:41] <seb_kuzminsky> it does things like, "dont try to build 2.5 on arm, because we know that will fail"
[21:45:03] <seb_kuzminsky> this was a feature that zultron and i discussed a while back, i'm finally taking his advise and implemeting it
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[21:45:40] <seb_kuzminsky> i still need to rework how the dsc and deb builders work, because they need to do fairly different things on 2.5/master vs ub, and i'm not totally sure how to deal with that yet
[21:46:13] <seb_kuzminsky> anyway, this shouldnt impact linuxcnc developers, except that there'll be fewer build failures reported on #linuxcnc-devel
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[21:47:37] <zultron> Ah, the builders's renamings sort very nicely now, big improvement just at first glance!
[21:52:18] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, it's better
[21:52:39] <seb_kuzminsky> old buildbots used to show the builders in the order you defined them in the config file, but later buildbots sort them :-/
[21:52:55] <seb_kuzminsky> i still need to tidy up the stuff on the right-hand side of the webpage
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[22:33:31] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert Ellenberg 05circular-blend-arc-rc1 ea8a093 06linuxcnc New branch with 273 commits pushed, 10140 files changed, 03222624(+), 042741(-) since circular-blend-arc-rc1/fdf1f56
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[22:40:37] <cradek> wooo
[22:40:44] <cradek> (whoah 140 files)
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[22:46:16] <seb_kuzminsky> sweet!
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[23:16:23] <linuxcnc-build> build #928 of 1305.rip-precise-rtpreempt-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configure-debian-control apt-get-update configuring] Build details are at
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[23:17:59] <andypugh> seb_kuzminsky: On the forums nearly every time that a custom comp is called for there is a problem with them ploughing ahead without installing linuxcnc-dev. Is there any chance that the 2.6 release can include "comp" as part of the default installation?
[23:18:55] <cradek> unless they install linuxcnc-dev (and its dependencies) they're not going to have libraries/compilers/etc to make it work
[23:18:56] <linuxcnc-build> build #954 of 1302.rip-precise-xenomai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configure-debian-control apt-get-update configuring] Build details are at
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[23:19:38] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: i second what cradek said, except s/libraries/headers/ ;-)
[23:20:03] <andypugh> How big is linuxcnc-dev? Does it make sense for it to be a separate package?
[23:20:25] <cradek> the question is how big are all the dependencies
[23:20:39] <cradek> kernel headers, compiler, etc
[23:20:44] <cradek> the answer is they're big
[23:20:44] <andypugh> (alternatively, can we have a very small script called "comp" which says "this is not the file you are looking for, install linuxcnc-dev"?
[23:21:35] <cradek> right now they probably get "comp doesn't exist, so try installing mh" which is sure bad advice
[23:21:40] <seb_kuzminsky> haha
[23:21:48] <andypugh> Yeah: "Both, "apt-get install nmh" and "apt-get install mailutils-mh" doesn't help."
[23:21:56] <cradek> I bet
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[23:22:11] <cradek> fwiw, debian doesn't have that misfeature
[23:22:29] <seb_kuzminsky> we could probably provide a comp that says 'install linuxcnc-dev and try again', but it feels like a strange thing to do
[23:22:31] <cradek> we need a time machine
[23:22:43] <cradek> I agree with both sentiments :-/
[23:22:57] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc.deb and linuxcnc-dev.deb can both provide an alternative comp, with linuxcnc-dev having a higher priority, so the right thing would automatically happen
[23:23:12] <andypugh> That sounds like the clever fix.
[23:23:26] <cradek> bbl
[23:23:28] <seb_kuzminsky> we could also supply a gcc that says 'install gcc and try again'
[23:23:30] <seb_kuzminsky> seeya cradek
[23:24:11] <andypugh> I guess if you try to compile without gcc you get sent to the right place, not to a random mail util though.
[23:25:02] <andypugh> I wonder where the advice to install nmh and mailutils-mh comes from? Is that something that our main deb could update?
[23:25:05] <seb_kuzminsky> oh yeah, you're right (on ubuntu)
[23:25:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i dont know exactly how ubuntu does that
[23:26:39] <andypugh> That's better than me, I don't know approximately how Ubuntu does that :-)
[23:28:00] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
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[23:28:31] <seb_kuzminsky> there's this file in deb archives called 'Contents', which lists what files are installed by each of the packages in the deb archive
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[23:29:01] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess bash (or something) traps 'file not found' and looks in Contents? i dont know
[23:29:17] <seb_kuzminsky> really folks who want to run comp should "just know" that they need linuxcnc-dev installed
[23:29:23] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe we can write better docs somewhere?
[23:29:29] <seb_kuzminsky> do people even read docs?
[23:30:28] <andypugh> Yeah. I read the "comp" docs quite often. And that seems like the right place to mention linuxcnc-dev, thinking about it.
[23:32:28] <andypugh> And, in fact, it does say exactly that.
[23:33:22] <andypugh> OK, so it's the Users fault for not reading the docs carefully enough.
[23:33:48] <seb_kuzminsky> http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs22/i/2007/356/0/4/Mao_RTFM_vectorize_by_cmenghi.png
[23:34:35] <seb_kuzminsky> ugh, i just fetched from g.l.o and there's a bunch of generated files checked in :-(
[23:34:44] * seb_kuzminsky looks for his mop
[23:35:27] <andypugh> It would be nice if Ubuntu didn't give bad advice, but that is probably not our problem to fix.
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