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[01:13:07] <cmorley> cradek: Looking in the 'software manager' GUI there is glade and glade-gtk2 available.
[01:13:25] <cmorley> oh wait damn I'm using mint - sorry I forgot.
[01:14:29] <cmorley> surely mint and ubuntu wouldn't change the runtime name of the a common package...
[01:15:43] <cmorley> either way having 'glade-3' as the launch name seems weird
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[01:49:53] <cmorley> maybe i should quit when behind - it seems 12.04 didn't include the option to have glade 3.10+ and 3.8 in parallel.
[01:51:55] <cmorley> so I guess 'glade-3' does make sense. arg Mint 13 (based on 12.04) does allow them both but then that means a launch name change.
[01:52:24] <cmorley> everyone should move to Mint anyways :)
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[01:59:50] <cradek> oh 3.8 is the one that works! I misremembered what you said. So yes I confirm that you can get 3.8.
[02:00:02] <cradek> the install I tested this on is xubuntu 12.04
[02:01:22] <cradek> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=dLsUa8wd
[02:01:51] <cmorley> yes I see in ubuntu 12.10 they allowed both versions of glade
[02:02:01] <cmorley> yes 3.8 is good!
[02:02:16] <cradek> then I still don't understand the problem owhite has, do you?
[02:02:30] <cmorley> no I don't
[02:03:08] <cmorley> we can get him to look in a couple places to see whats up if he comes back
[02:03:16] <owhite> i be here
[02:03:32] <cradek> oh hey
[02:03:35] <owhite> what would you like me to test.
[02:03:41] <cradek> hey buddy what's your problem
[02:03:55] <owhite> Better grab a pen and paper.
[02:05:24] <cmorley> look in /usr/share/glade3/catalogs for hal_python.xml
[02:05:44] <owhite> checking...
[02:06:44] <owhite> I have: gtksourceview-glade.xml gtk+.xml hal_python.xml /usr/share/glade3/catalogs
[02:07:09] <owhite> I have: gtksourceview-glade.xml gtk+.xml hal_python.xml IN /usr/share/glade3/catalogs, that is.
[02:07:21] <cmorley> if you launch the glade editor do you see the HAL widgets?
[02:07:28] <owhite> no.
[02:08:08] <owhite> should I try setting some sort of environmental variable?
[02:08:13] <cmorley> open a terminal, launch glade and see if you can catch any info about it.
[02:08:20] <cmorley> no
[02:08:25] <owhite> coming up...
[02:08:56] <cmorley> there will be lots of debug warnings
[02:09:12] <cmorley> probably
[02:09:22] <owhite> not too much:
http://pastebin.ca/2571043
[02:10:10] <owhite> maybe I'll get more if I try to open one of the .ui files....hang on.
[02:10:14] <cmorley> k we may need to turn on debugging
[02:10:21] <cmorley> no not yet
[02:10:30] <owhite> ok.
[02:11:04] <owhite> when I run the editor, should an instance of linuxcnc be running?
[02:11:39] <cmorley> not necessary
[02:11:43] <owhite> ok
[02:12:13] <cmorley> try again in terminal with -v added
[02:12:23] <owhite> aye cap'n
[02:13:21] <owhite> wait - did you want the version?
[02:13:47] <cmorley> no verbose debugging
[02:14:09] <owhite> okay -v didnt create any additional output.
[02:14:22] <cmorley> ok to bad
[02:15:02] <cmorley> did you export an environment variable before?
[02:15:15] <cmorley> I seem to recall you did
[02:15:55] <owhite> yes. But hang on.
[02:16:01] <cmorley> ok
[02:16:11] <cmorley> hanging on :)
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[02:17:01] <owhite> when I try to open a glade file in configs/sim.gmoccapy I am getting this: "But this version of Glade is for GTK+ 3 only. Make sure you can run this project with Glade 3.8 with no deprecated widgets first. Specially because there are 4 objects that can not be build with types HAL_Meter and HAL_LED"
[02:17:49] <owhite> and, it's throwing this: vcp_box.glade targets Gtk+ 2.16
[02:18:30] <cmorley> That warning is miss-leading. it assumes GTK3 but it's cause glade is not picking up the hal_python_xml file
[02:18:42] <owhite> ok.
[02:19:02] <cmorley> hal_python.xml defines gladevcp widgets.
[02:19:09] <owhite> so what should I try next? I could dig up the environmental variable I tried before.
[02:19:12] <cmorley> so that glade knows about them
[02:19:18] <owhite> ...or I could slap the screen upside the head.
[02:19:27] <cmorley> both...:)
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[02:20:03] <cmorley> try exporting the catalog path to the actual catalog path...
[02:20:32] <owhite> yeah so I used this before :: export GLADE_CATALOG_PATH=/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/gladevcp
[02:20:35] <cmorley> I have never done that so outside my known territory
[02:20:40] <owhite> which is probably wrong, correct?
[02:20:45] <cmorley> ya thats not right.
[02:21:02] <owhite> okay, well hang on....
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[02:24:21] <owhite> so you figure I should export GLADE_CATALOG_PATH=/usr/share/glade3/catalogs ??
[02:24:26] <owhite> 'snot working.
[02:25:27] <cmorley> I figured, yes
[02:26:05] <owhite> whoa whoa whoa.
[02:26:11] <cmorley> You actually shouldn't have to do that at all, as that is the standard place it looks
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[02:26:52] <cmorley> whoa?
[02:27:03] <owhite> so I do not claim to understand any of the version stuff. But I also installed glade-3 at some point.
[02:27:11] <owhite> And it looks like that's getting the hal widgets.
[02:27:35] <cmorley> oh wow. you are using 12.04 yes?
[02:28:13] <owhite> and, it only works if I use that export. the version is...
[02:28:53] <owhite> glade3 3.8.0
[02:28:56] <owhite> go figure.
[02:30:07] <cmorley> it's a pain in the ass - the naming. glade used to be called glade3
[02:30:32] <owhite> seems pretty ridiculous.
[02:30:48] <cmorley> if you look in /usr/bin/
[02:31:08] <cmorley> see if there are more then one file name glade or glade something
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[02:31:33] <owhite> glade glade-gtk2 glade-previewer gladevcp :-)
[02:32:05] <owhite> and glade-3 is in /usr/LOCAL/bin
[02:32:14] <owhite> (emphasis mine)
[02:33:11] <cmorley> that indicates (to me) you have two versions of glade, and as far as I can tell, 12.04 doesn't handle that.
[02:33:36] <cmorley> can you launch the 'glade' file and check it version in the about box
[02:33:50] <owhite> for which one? The one that works?
[02:34:23] <cmorley> there is usr/bin/glade and usr/bin/glade-gtk2
[02:34:32] <owhite> my glade-gtk2 works too.
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[02:34:44] <cmorley> but are they both the same version
[02:35:13] <cmorley> glade-gtk2 will be glade 3.8
[02:35:26] <cmorley> not sure about plain glade
[02:36:23] <owhite> my glade-3 is also 3.8.0
[02:36:59] <cmorley> glade-3 is in usr/local/bin ? yes?
[02:37:23] <owhite> yes.
[02:37:38] <memleak> hello everyone
[02:37:40] <cmorley> what about usr/bin/glade ? 3.8?
[02:37:50] <memleak> $ which glade
[02:38:32] <cmorley> memleak: please be more specific
[02:38:46] <memleak> ^bash command
[02:39:14] <owhite> so /usr/bin/glade is... 3.12.1
[02:39:23] <cmorley> ahh ok there we go
[02:39:48] <cmorley> 3.12 is for gtk3 and doesn't work with linuxcnc.
[02:40:02] <owhite> ok, got it.
[02:40:25] <memleak> rm -rf /usr/bin/glade && ln -sfv /usr/local/bin/glade /usr/bin/glade ?
[02:40:33] <owhite> so it seems like we've solved the problem for my situation. Should I 'deactivate' the bug ticket?
[02:40:38] <cmorley> my very quick look on the internet says that 12.04 wasn't set up for having both versions.
[02:41:16] <cmorley> I will close the bug sure.
[02:41:47] <cmorley> 12.10 can have both versions and should not be a problem.
[02:41:52] <owhite> ok - if you can take care of it that works for me.
[02:42:07] <cmorley> I tried mint 13 with both versions and it worked.
[02:42:26] <cmorley> how will you fix your glade problem?
[02:42:28] <owhite> what I know about the difference between /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin and glade version names could fit in a bottlecap.
[02:43:01] <cmorley> lol i don't know much more - believe it or not
[02:43:12] <owhite> how will I ? Probably by just by deleting /usr/bin/glade
[02:44:11] <owhite> ...but I do appreciate all the time of yours this took.
[02:44:30] <cmorley> I was curious - glad I could help a bit anyways
[02:45:02] <owhite> you sure did - by the way have you used the editor? It doesnt look like that much fun.
[02:45:32] <cmorley> I use it lots. yes it takes some time to learn the little stuff.
[02:45:39] <cradek> what the heck installed a glade in /usr/local?
[02:45:56] <cradek> that's insanity
[02:46:12] <owhite> I just really like the look of the gmoccapy interface - and I think it would really useful to use it with a touch screen.
[02:46:16] <cmorley> what is usr/local actually for Chris?
[02:46:45] <cradek> it depends on the distribution, but in debian-based distros, packages aren't supposed to install there
[02:46:45] <cmorley> yes that was what it was made for mostly I think
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[02:48:00] <cmorley> owhite: you don't need the glade editor to run gmoccapy - only to modify it
[02:48:17] <owhite> oh yeah I got that - I definitely would like to change it.
[02:48:25] <cmorley> oh ok I see
[02:48:49] <owhite> they're set up for machines unlike mine - the closest is the one for plasma cutters.
[02:48:54] <owhite> this is for a laser.
[02:49:44] <owhite> in the past I always relied on pyvcp - to make sliders for the power setting and monitoring data coming from the laser.
[02:56:28] <cmorley> I found glade much easier for anything beyond trivial panels (vrs pyvcp)
[02:57:22] <cmorley> it can get a little painful on really complicated panels.
[02:58:19] <owhite> I'll give it a shot.
[02:59:29] <cmorley> ya i'd suggest modifying the small sample panels, then build you own then try Gmoccapy.
[02:59:39] <cmorley> good luck!
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[03:02:47] <cmorley> memleak: thanks for that - I am not versed so much on a lot of command line stuff - that's handy
[03:03:13] <memleak> i was hoping that'd help. i love the command line
[03:04:11] <mozmck> memleak: do you know anything about using 4 monitors on a recent Xorg with Nvidia drivers?
[03:04:47] <cradek> pretty sure the nvidia configurator will handle that fine
[03:04:53] <memleak> what he said^
[03:04:56] <cmorley> I use the command line everyday. i just never venture far from what i always use.
[03:05:12] <memleak> if not, xrandr
[03:05:23] <memleak> xrandr can get very lengthy sometimes
[03:05:34] <cradek> mozmck: do you have a more specific question?
[03:05:43] <mozmck> I just did that for my boss and looked like the only way to do it was set it up as two X screens with twinview
[03:06:03] <mozmck> I wanted one large screen ideally.
[03:06:23] <cradek> did you try turning on xinerama?
[03:06:24] <mozmck> Cinnamon also did not like the 2 X screens and crashes :)
[03:06:32] <mozmck> no, I didn't know what it was.
[03:07:05] <cradek> twinview is nvidia's own idea; xinerama is the usual and non-nvidia way of making one screen span devices
[03:07:10] <memleak> xrandr --output DVI0 --auto --output DVI1 --auto --right-of HDMI1 etc etc
[03:07:24] <cradek> memleak: sure but something persistent would be nice
[03:07:36] <mozmck> I see. does xrandr work with xinerama?
[03:07:38] <memleak> you can add it to your xorg start up script
[03:07:54] <mozmck> does xorg even have startup scripts anymore?
[03:07:54] <cradek> mozmck: yes I think so
[03:08:11] <cradek> yes you can still coerce it into running something in your home directory
[03:08:18] <memleak> yup^
[03:08:24] <cradek> it's not usual to do that anymore
[03:08:43] <memleak> or you can also add it to your DMEstartup script and have KDE or GNOME do it
[03:08:51] <memleak> *DM startup script
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[03:08:55] <mozmck> I haven't seen an xorg.conf for a while.
[03:09:37] <cradek> the nvidia configurator writes a normalish xorg.conf
[03:09:39] <mozmck> ok, I'll do some more reading and playing. stuff I found after a little searching just left me confused :)
[03:09:45] <memleak> As of August 2013, Xinerama is broken with proprietary NVIDIA driver from 319 on.
[03:09:53] <cradek> yeah at least try xinerama
[03:09:53] <mozmck> bummer.
[03:09:55] <cradek> oh
[03:10:05] * cradek shrugs
[03:10:13] <memleak> works only with Linux kernels earlier than 3.10
[03:10:15] <cradek> try poking all the settings :-/
[03:11:34] <memleak> this might be of a little help:
https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/612517/?comment=3980519
[03:13:51] <memleak> i normally do all my multi monitor adjustments using the GUI based screen resolution tools but if that doesnt work i resort to xrandr
[03:14:21] <memleak> if that doesn't work for some reason then i start moving my monitors around to how linux wants them arranged (swapping DVI cables etc)
[03:15:14] <cradek> definitely hook them all up with digital (not vga)
[03:15:44] <memleak> heh i ran a dual monitor VGA set-up once, took me several hours
[03:15:57] <memleak> my xorg.conf file was nearly 2MB
[03:16:24] <memleak> i've read tom clancy novels that were shorter.
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[03:37:57] <mozmck> thanks for the pointers.
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[03:46:18] <memleak> hey mozmck just note i'm more of a radeon guy so im really not the one to ask about specific nouveau issues but anything X related in general and not a specific GPU problem i should be able to help out with. 2=< monitors are pretty much set up the same regardless of the graphics card though
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[05:55:44] <memleak> night guize
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[14:52:49] <skunkworks> wow - I have not seen the runs the previous program - not loaded bug at all.
[15:08:56] <cradek> wonder if that pendant has something to do with it.
[15:09:14] <cradek> I was hoping for a simpler how-to-reproduce, ideally using sim
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[15:22:55] <pcw_home> Not sure if it helps, but I can reproduce something similar
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[15:23:08] <cradek> it sure might
[15:24:32] <pcw_home> if you try to load a gcode file that has some kind of error the old preview remains (but the new gcode is selected)
[15:24:33] <pcw_home> (just a visual thing)
[15:29:20] <cradek> hm, yuck
[15:29:38] <cradek> he talks about loading 3D_Chips though, which I doubt has an error unless he has added one
[15:31:33] <pcw_home> thats the one I tried
[15:32:28] <pcw_home> tool table error (probably something I have done)
[15:32:47] <cradek> like tool does not exist?
[15:34:39] <skunkworks> I have been flipping between master and robs new TP and have not seen it.. Using sim axis
[15:35:20] <skunkworks> I have seen what pcw_home talks about.. but I didn't really care because I had to fix the error and reload...
[15:35:41] <cradek> his long delay when touching off is probably related to multiple guis interfering with one another. I have seen people end up with this pretty easily using pendants, especially those with analog inputs that can make constant noise
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[15:36:05] <cradek> that he spent five hours debugging it doesn't help me - it would have been better to explain what he tried
[15:36:52] <pcw_home> Yes missing tool
[15:37:15] <cradek> pcw_home: but you do at least get an error, right?
[15:37:38] <pcw_home> yes
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[16:58:00] <archivist> not enough memory also gives slow response
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[16:58:55] <archivist> userland gets into swap
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[17:11:50] <seb_kuzminsky> http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/1995-06-24/
[17:13:30] <cradek> I don't think his problem is not enough ram, but it's true we don't know anything about what equipment he is using
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[18:12:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i want to push xenomai packages (kernel & userspace) to the linuxcnc.org deb archive
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[18:12:33] <seb_kuzminsky> this would let us build xenomai packages in the buildbot
[18:12:49] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd use newer versions of the xenomai packages that are currently running rip in the buildbot
[18:13:47] <seb_kuzminsky> these xenomai debs are built by zultron's awesome build system:
https://github.com/zultron/debian-linuxcnc-autobuild
[18:13:57] <seb_kuzminsky> any objections?
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[18:17:39] <skunkworks> none...
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[18:20:16] <skunkworks> :)
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[18:51:37] <cradek> of course not
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[18:54:53] <skunkworks> previous program problem... could axis and the interp get out of sync? something hanging up that the interp from seeing the new file?
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[19:02:04] <cradek> seems like it must
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[19:27:34] <skunkworks> he is doing so much stuff with halui - I wonder if something gets hung up..
[19:35:13] <cradek> yes I really bet so
[19:35:27] <cradek> he should work on narrowing it down
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[19:36:16] <cradek> with a previous guy who had a halui+pendant interaction problem, just turning on task-issue debug showed that there were constant bogus messages being sent
[19:36:31] <cradek> I forgot which message it was exactly - jog abort maybe?
[19:38:05] <skunkworks> I vaugly remember that...
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[22:01:22] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Norbert Schechner 05master 9c339d7 06linuxcnc 10(13 files in 4 dirs) gmoccapy_0_9_9_9 - tool change with tool length measurement * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c339d7
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[22:57:53] <seb_kuzminsky> no agenda page for this saturday's meeting, i guess that means no agenda and no meeting
[23:00:16] <skunkworks> seb_kuzminsky: thanks for all your work on the ub!
[23:00:45] <seb_kuzminsky> all thanks should go to zultron and michael, they did the heavy lifting
[23:02:01] <seb_kuzminsky> has anyone tried running linuxcnc through cppcheck? it's another static analysis tool (like coverity or clang) that i haven't tried yet
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[23:02:55] <skunkworks> Sure!
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