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[00:26:09] <cradek> kwallace: you might be thinking of g91 g28 z0 which is an idiom I've seen a lot. I prefer g0 g53 z0 instead, though
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[01:06:16] <cradek> nobody else at mpm yet...
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[01:35:13] <kwallace> cradek: Thank you. Are you at MPM?
[01:44:49] <jepler> interesting anti-backlash design (but the mention of 'until it wears out' is worrying :-P)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Z999DYPLAV4#t=150s
[01:45:36] <jepler> he mentions being offset .5mm; elsewhere it is stated that the movement is 8mm per revolution (I think it's a multi-start screw, but I'm not sure if it's 2 or 4 start)
[01:49:09] <kwallace> But the lash stiffness is only as much as the fin stiffness. Even a plastic preloaded ball screw would be better.
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[01:53:29] <jepler> like so many in additive cnc for hobbyists these people are focused on a low-cost product at the expense of quality
[02:06:56] <kwallace> I think one of the main themes with the 3D printer gang is to use the printer to replicate itself, but that seems pretty restrictive. If I had a printer, I would probably print up a lathe and mill.
[02:08:19] <jepler> I know that's the reprap idea, but as far as I know these are just injection-molded parts
[02:09:25] <jepler> if that particular part turns out to be a consumable I suppose you'd try printing it, but I strongly suspect it wouldn't work well for this part, since in addition to wearing it away you can delaminate it
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[02:28:18] <skunkworks> cradek: any thing new there? :)
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[03:28:54] <cmorley> I'm arriving Wednesday at 10 pm or so. Where is a good place to stay? Where is everyone staying?
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[03:49:10] <skunkworks-> cmorley: we are staying at the Howard Johnson near the airport... not stayed there before
[03:49:44] <skunkworks-> $50 a night for 2 queens
[03:50:03] <cmorley> ok Thanks I'll check it out.
[03:52:01] <skunkworks-> supposedly wwifi, fridge, breakfast and air
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[16:12:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch d121638 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(63 files in 16 dirs) * Add license notices where they were missing
[16:12:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05v2.5_branch 8105e11 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10Makefile 04emc/nml_intf/interp.hh * Delete unused file
[16:15:04] <jepler> steve stallings, matt shaver, his son (whose name I've forgotten twice already), cradek and I are at workshop
[16:15:08] <jepler> of course stuart is as well
[16:15:17] <jepler> so hello from wichta and where are the rest of you latecomers?
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[16:29:34] <CaptHindsight> I'm busy making machines for customers, maybe I'll come out Friday
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[16:48:50] <JT-Shop> I just came back from a trip to NC and have to work all week :(
[16:50:40] <jepler> JT-Shop: aww bummer
[16:50:45] <jepler> CaptHindsight: yay for work to do anyway
[16:56:20] <CaptHindsight> how early go you guys get started, was just looking at flights?
[16:56:28] <cradek> we're started
[16:56:45] <CaptHindsight> heh, in the mornings?
[16:58:02] <cradek> this morning people started around 8-9. as the week goes on, it might get a little later each day I bet
[16:59:04] <CaptHindsight> ok, I'll figure arriving late Thursday and stay until late Sat, no sense in a 6am flight in
[16:59:34] <cradek> I bet someone could come get you at 6am, but there won't be much going on yet
[17:00:20] <CaptHindsight> my thumbs don't usually start working until after 11 anyway
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[17:14:03] <CaptHindsight> looks like you guys have sold out the Wichita Inn, Hampton and the La Quinta :)
[17:16:24] <CaptHindsight> there's a whole string of Hotels along W Kellog Ave
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[17:29:29] <skunkworks> matt's son is there? At ann arbor - he was wondering when him and his son would do things like that.. :)
[17:29:47] <jepler> skunkworks: I hear they brought him just for the driving
[17:29:53] <skunkworks> heh
[17:30:01] <skunkworks> well - slave labor is goot too
[17:30:04] <skunkworks> good
[17:30:22] <cradek> poor guy
[17:31:37] <skunkworks> I think andy said he should be there today also
[17:33:29] <skunkworks> got the horn working again in the toyota.. probably will need it :)
[17:37:07] <skunkworks> I remember most of the linux group not getting up until around noon... ;)
[17:37:32] <CaptHindsight> how late does everyone hang out?
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[17:42:05] <elk> in gcodemodule.cpp there is a function call: PyObject *result =callmethod(callback, "straight_feed", "fffffffff",x, y, z, a, b, c, u, v, w); ....Is this calling the straight_feed function found in emccanon.cc? I couldn't find another function in python with the same name...
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[17:53:07] <IchGuckLive> hi someone knowes if the TK is available in linuxcnc seen in this vieo at 1:25
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R1DCXe9t3UE
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[18:45:49] <CaptHindsight> according to the
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK_OYoNOBDQ&feature=youtu.be xenomai on a 3.8 kernel is stable on ARM
[18:46:05] <CaptHindsight> along with Linuxcnc
[18:46:34] <CaptHindsight> so ARM support is way ahead of x86 for real time kernels and Linuxcnc
[18:47:13] <CaptHindsight> we have to figure out the page fault issues with 3.8 on x86
[18:47:34] <CaptHindsight> latency jumps from 5-10uS to >100KuS
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[19:00:40] <CaptHindsight> I wonder if ARM had the same issues
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[19:03:02] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master d121638 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(63 files in 16 dirs) * Add license notices where they were missing
[19:03:02] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 8105e11 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10Makefile 04emc/nml_intf/interp.hh * Delete unused file
[19:03:05] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05master 721537d 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(7 files in 6 dirs) * Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/v2.5_branch'
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[19:04:29] <skunkworks> ooh.. It has started!
[19:04:44] <jepler> I think 'perf' can record where page faults occur. doing 'perf record -e faults linuxcnc' + 'perf report' would then tell you where to look
[19:05:01] <jepler> also maybe double-check that mlockall is being called correctly and that its return value is success
[19:05:28] <jepler> (probably better to arrange for only rtapi_app to be 'perf record'ed because we know there will be page faults in the GUIs and other non-realtime parts)
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[19:10:18] <CaptHindsight> from what he traced so far the page faults are occurring in rtapi_app
[19:10:40] <CaptHindsight> memleak will be back later today
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[19:11:30] <CaptHindsight> something about how the memory should be prefaulted in Linuxcnc, that still needs to be checked
[19:12:41] <CaptHindsight> Pre-Faulting and Zeroing
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[21:30:20] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03tissf 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers d71388c 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/pyvcp_fr.txt * French doc. update - Consistency between image and code
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[21:30:35] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers c75bd6a 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/comp.txt * docs: clarify comp's 'option userinit yes'
[21:30:42] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers c310c42 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/utils/comp.g * comp: warn if the user sets userinit but not userspace
[21:30:49] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 2edc654 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/utils/comp.g * comp: fix a couple of syntax errors when using userinit
[21:30:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 9e53f9f 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/components/bldc.comp * bldc: remove unused option userinit
[21:31:02] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 4be0313 06linuxcnc 10scripts/runtests * fix "runtests -v"
[21:31:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 833b4b5 06linuxcnc 10tests/halui-jogging/test-ui.py * shebang python, not python2
[21:31:14] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 51ed03a 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in * rebranding in the output of configure
[21:31:21] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 4c22c7a 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/pyvcp_examples.txt * rebranding fixes
[21:31:27] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 1f26d07 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/common/Glossary.txt * rebranding
[21:31:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jthornton 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers e833b6c 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/config/images/ 10stepconf-basic.png 10stepconf-config.png * Docs: re-branding screenshots
[21:31:40] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers b6a73f4 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man1/gs2.1 * docs: fix a troff markup typo in gs2 manpage
[21:31:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers ffb2c47 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/gcode/m-code.txt * docs: fix whitespace in the m66 section
[21:31:54] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jthornton 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 4026e0d 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/config/ini_homing.txt * Docs: add info on homing a rotary axis
[21:32:00] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jthornton 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 4e15207 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/hal/halui_examples.txt * Docs: fix markup error
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[21:32:14] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 83fa32c 06linuxcnc 10src/configure.in * fix a cut-n-paste error in configure.in
[21:32:19] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jthornton 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 4e0b4b7 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/examples/gs2_example.txt * Docs: fix typo option number
[21:32:27] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jthornton 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 3dc1577 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man9/weighted_sum.9 * Docs: add info about thread requirements
[21:32:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers fb4e71e 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man1/gs2.1 * docs: fix mistakes in the gs2 manpage
[21:32:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 9d50193 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/usr_intf/pncconf/pncconf.py * pncconf -fix an open loop test error.
[21:32:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03elson 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers d6f2fd0 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/drivers/hal_ppmc.c * add velocity estimation via encoder timestamp to PPMC encoder
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[21:33:13] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers d121638 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(63 files in 16 dirs) * Add license notices where they were missing
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[21:33:27] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 887fab6 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/mesa_autoconf.c * fix format string mismatch
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[21:34:03] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 173d505 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(7 files) * Add new rtapi headers
[21:34:09] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 00fb676 06linuxcnc 10src/rtapi/rtapi_string.h * Add additional APIs to rtapi_string.h
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[21:34:24] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers ec2a86b 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/man3/ 10(6 files) * Document new rtapi headers
[21:34:30] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 4f9eeef 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(22 files in 3 dirs) * Use new rtapi headers and rtapi_ APIs
[21:34:37] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 04cd019 06linuxcnc 10src/rtapi/rtapi.h * sim: implement EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL
[21:34:43] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 865e3b4 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/ 10(22 files) * hostmot2: make it build against rtapi_ APIs
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[23:18:37] <linuxcnc-build> build #1098 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-amd64-sim/builds/1098 blamelist: dummy, John Thornton <jthornton@gnipsel.com>, Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>, Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Jeff Epler
[23:18:38] <linuxcnc-build> <jepler@unpythonic.net>, Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, elson <elson@pico-systems.com>
[23:21:45] <linuxcnc-build> build #1095 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/1095 blamelist: dummy, John Thornton <jthornton@gnipsel.com>, Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>, Chris Morley <chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>, Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>,
[23:21:45] <linuxcnc-build> Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, elson <elson@pico-systems.com>
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[23:26:30] <cradek> mshaver:
http://timeguy.com/cradek/01188356148
[23:30:09] <mshaver> jthornton: What is the preferred tool to make illustrations for linuxcnc documentation?
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[23:58:30] <JT-Shop> mshaver: line drawings?
[23:59:07] * JT-Shop puts on the chef hat and heads inside
[23:59:26] <JT-Shop> I used Qcad in the past...
[23:59:48] <mshaver> yes - so .dxf?