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[14:52:34] <norbert> I got the following problem programming gmoccapy. I switch the spindle on by pressing a button witch send self.emccommand.spindle(1,450) and the spindle will rotate forward with 450 rpm, if I change now to MDI Mode, and enter S 2000 the spindle will stop instead of speeding up to 2000 rpm. As far as Chris found out, this happen, because in active M code there is no M3. So I tried to send also an M3 when the user press the button, but
[14:52:34] <norbert> that is only allowed, if the machine is homed and can be switched to MDI mode. I do not understand why it is not allowed switching the spindel on while the machine is not homed. Or is there any other possibility to get the M3 to aktiv G code. The actual behavior represents a bug in my opinion.
[14:54:00] <norbert> be away for half an hour, my wife is calling ;-)
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[15:47:08] <jepler> ld: /home/jepler/linuxcnc/src/hal/drivers/hal_parport.o: don't know how to handle section `' [0x 20]
[15:48:49] <jepler> ooooh it's my own fault
[15:49:04] <jepler> .. no big surprise there
[15:50:26] <skunkworks> I don't understand why you don't just home first.. Or don't force homing...
[15:52:48] <jepler> (I'd done a perl -pi.bak on all files in src/hal/drivers including object files)
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[16:18:05] <cradek> in 2.5.2 I can reproduce that problem sometimes (the first time maybe?) and agree it's a bug
[16:18:37] <cradek> power on, home, f9 f12, notice spindle is 101rpm, switch to mdi, s300, expect spindle to be 300 but instead, it stops
[16:21:56] <cradek> after further mdi commands (m3, m5) it starts working as expected I think...?
[16:22:36] <norbert> Yes, after you gave an M3 it works like expected
[16:24:04] <norbert> @skunkworks: if I home first, I can easy switch to MDI Mode and give an corresponding M3 M4 or M5, but I dont understand why it is needed?
[16:24:44] <norbert> it is like the coolant think, witch is now solved.
[16:25:10] <norbert> Shouldn't we fix also the spindle question?
[16:26:28] <cradek> strangely after you give m3 and then again m5, it also works right
[16:27:18] <norbert> Yes, but not out of the box.
[16:27:18] <cradek> I suspect this is not at all like the coolant thing.
[16:27:34] <norbert> Why?
[16:27:47] <cradek> that was only a matter of allowing the messages while in run mode
[16:28:16] <cradek> this is probably a matter of the spindle state in the different layers being out of sync in some way
[16:31:06] <cradek> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2106490&group_id=6744&atid=106744
[16:31:13] <cradek> ^ this was a very similar bug
[16:31:30] <cradek> obviously the fundamental problem is not fixed
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[16:33:24] <norbert> Ok so until it will be fixed I will not allow the user to start the spindle while the machine is not homed. I will the emit an M3 M4 or M5 to get the behavior corect.
[16:33:25] <cradek> channeling seb, I would recommend writing a test before working on this
[16:34:00] <cradek> norbert: I would rather you fix it than break your gui because of it
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[16:36:43] <cradek> bbl
[16:37:33] <norbert> Oh I will not break my gui, I will just change about 10 lines of code. But I must do anything, because the momentary situation is dangerous in my opinion
[16:38:09] <norbert> something, not anything, sorry
[16:38:28] <cradek> still I would rather you work on fixing the actual problem
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[16:39:29] <cradek> (but fortunately there is little danger in having the spindle unexpectedly STOP when manipulating it manually)
[16:39:45] <cradek> unexpectedly starting was a different story
[16:40:03] <norbert> I realy don't know where to beginn, I only know Python and the corresponding code may be hiden in C code :-(
[16:40:26] <norbert> But stopping may damage the tool, workpiece and machine
[16:41:07] <cradek> true, but I think gcode that specifies Sxxx but not M3 and expects the user to manually start the spindle would be very unusual
[16:42:12] <cradek> if anyone had ever done that, we would have heard about this bug earlier :-)
[16:43:20] <cradek> I recommend filing a bug report on sf if you don't intend to work on it
[16:43:46] <cradek> bbl, for real this time
[16:43:53] <norbert> sorry on sf? What is that?
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[16:50:53] <micges> norbert: sf is sourceforge.net
[16:56:30] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 653fa53 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/mesa_autoconf.c * fix format string mismatch
[16:56:30] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers f999a43 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(7 files) * Add copyright notices to certain rtapi headers which lacked them
[16:56:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 4507a1d 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs) * drop conditional defines for kernels older than 2.6.24
[16:56:41] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers a3b0308 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/ 10drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hm2_test.c 10drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hostmot2-lowlevel.h 10drivers/probe_parport.c * Don't include unneeded headers
[16:56:49] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 4ec290b 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/ 10hm2_7i43.c 10hm2_pci.c 10hm2_test.c * Use RTAPI APIs to declare module parameters
[16:56:56] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 893a73a 06linuxcnc 10src/ 03rtapi/rtapi_device.h 03rtapi/rtapi_firmware.h 03rtapi/rtapi_pci.h 03rtapi/rtapi_slab.h * Add new rtapi headers
[16:57:04] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 4c7ea16 06linuxcnc 10src/rtapi/rtapi_string.h * Add additional APIs to rtapi_string.h
[16:57:11] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 7e80466 06linuxcnc 10src/ 03rtapi/rtapi_device.c 03rtapi/rtapi_firmware.c 03rtapi/rtapi_pci.c 03rtapi/rtapi_string.c * Partially implement some new rtapi_ APIs for userspace
[16:57:19] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 73874e5 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/ 10(6 files) * Document new rtapi headers
[16:57:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 746d3f9 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(22 files in 3 dirs) * Use new rtapi headers and rtapi_ APIs
[16:57:27] <jepler> mhaberler: I'll let buildbot chew on this ^^^ but I think that if rtos is rebased onto it, it'll reduce the conditional compilation in hardware drivers...
[16:58:21] <mhaberler> did you try with actual hw or should I give it a stab?
[16:58:39] <jepler> but the userspace side isn't complete yet; I didn't copy all of Charles's userspace pci into the tree, and even the source files I added for e.g., userspace implementation of rtapi_argv_parse I don't compile them yet
[16:58:46] <jepler> mhaberler: no, it hasn't touched real hardware
[16:58:55] <mhaberler> ok, will do
[16:59:14] <jepler> there's really nothing to the patch ... you have changes like this:
[16:59:14] <jepler> - bus = kmalloc(sizeof(bus_data_t), GFP_KERNEL);
[16:59:15] <jepler> + bus = rtapi_alloc(sizeof(bus_data_t), GFP_KERNEL);
[16:59:30] <jepler> but it makes no difference because
[16:59:31] <jepler> +#define rtapi_alloc kmalloc
[16:59:40] <mhaberler> aja
[17:00:30] <jepler> a bunch of changes that should make no difference
[17:01:47] <mhaberler> ok, then I'll rebase rtos3
[17:02:08] <jepler> I suppose I could have tried that myself ...
[17:02:26] <linuxcnc-build> build #972 of lucid-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-sim/builds/972 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[17:02:33] <jepler> and of course I botched it :-/
[17:02:43] <jepler> mhaberler: maybe not rebase just yet
[17:02:54] <mhaberler> ;)
[17:03:26] <jepler> ok at the very least I'm missing some header guards. rookie mistake.
[17:06:41] <linuxcnc-build> build #973 of lucid-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-realtime-rip/builds/973 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[17:07:06] <linuxcnc-build> build #972 of lucid-rtai-i386-clang is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-rtai-i386-clang/builds/972 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[17:07:32] <linuxcnc-build> build #973 of hardy-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-realtime-rip/builds/973 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[17:07:49] <linuxcnc-build> build #976 of hardy-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-amd64-sim/builds/976 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[17:08:34] <linuxcnc-build> build #975 of hardy-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-sim/builds/975 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[17:08:46] <linuxcnc-build> build #974 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-amd64-sim/builds/974 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[17:12:17] <mhaberler> Jeff - do you have any experience with node.js ? I was looking into js tapping into HAL for UI purposes, and a HAL module for node.js looks like a versatile way to do this
[17:14:24] <jepler> mhaberler: nah, I'm not a javascript person at all
[17:14:50] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 3f33d26 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10rtapi/rtapi_ctype.h 10rtapi/rtapi_errno.h 10rtapi/rtapi_string.h * Add header guards to certain files that lacked them
[17:14:51] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 62b886d 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(5 files in 4 dirs) * drop conditional defines for kernels older than 2.6.24
[17:14:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers e587454 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/ 10drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hm2_test.c 10drivers/mesa-hostmot2/hostmot2-lowlevel.h 10drivers/probe_parport.c * Don't include unneeded headers
[17:15:03] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers a9722c5 06linuxcnc 10src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/ 10hm2_7i43.c 10hm2_pci.c 10hm2_test.c * Use RTAPI APIs to declare module parameters
[17:15:04] <jepler> well this time I bothered to test compile before pushing
[17:15:10] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 7b47951 06linuxcnc 10src/ 03rtapi/rtapi_device.h 03rtapi/rtapi_firmware.h 03rtapi/rtapi_pci.h 03rtapi/rtapi_slab.h * Add new rtapi headers
[17:15:11] <jepler> .. on sim
[17:15:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers fda813a 06linuxcnc 10src/rtapi/rtapi_string.h * Add additional APIs to rtapi_string.h
[17:15:21] <mhaberler> not me either and no plans to become one, but it would be nice to provide a shovel for those to wanting to dig; emcweb being the obvious case
[17:15:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 9e516be 06linuxcnc 10src/ 03rtapi/rtapi_device.c 03rtapi/rtapi_firmware.c 03rtapi/rtapi_pci.c 03rtapi/rtapi_string.c * Partially implement some new rtapi_ APIs for userspace
[17:15:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers 5f8ff59 06linuxcnc 10docs/man/ 10(6 files) * Document new rtapi headers
[17:15:37] <jepler> before I'd tested only 'make modules' on hardy (of all the crazy systems to choose ;)
[17:15:39] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03jepler 05jepler/rtapi-more-headers da6e247 06linuxcnc 10src/ 10(22 files in 3 dirs) * Use new rtapi headers and rtapi_ APIs
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[17:21:55] <mhaberler> well I'll see what the bb says before going ahead then
[17:26:00] <linuxcnc-build> build #971 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/971 blamelist: Jeff Epler <jepler@unpythonic.net>
[17:38:16] <jepler> .. now it's building the second time
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[22:42:05] <andypugh> Why does stepgen have both "update frequency" and "update position" functions? Very nearly nothing at all happens in the "update position" thread, and it seems it could all be rolled into a common "do floating point stuffs" function.
[22:42:13] <andypugh> Probably too much trouble to change, ,ind.
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[22:59:20] <jepler> andypugh: because you want to update position, then do motion, then update frequency
[23:02:02] <andypugh> Ah, OK, so the position_fb from stepgen is used by motion to calculate what it needs to do, rather than simply to decide whether to f-error or not?
[23:04:25] <jepler> during homing motion looks at the feedback position for instance (beyond calculating ferror)
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[23:28:04] <andypugh> Ah, OK. The more I learn about LinuxCNC, the more I know I don't know.
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