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[00:22:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05master d8e6889 06emc2 10tests/t0/shared-test.sh * Revert "t0 test: try to work around a timing bug"
[00:22:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05master c17fd9e 06emc2 * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[00:22:36] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05v2.5_branch d8e6889 06emc2 10tests/t0/shared-test.sh * Revert "t0 test: try to work around a timing bug"
[00:24:29] <seb_kuzminsky> it's bothersome that the linuxcnc output isn't included in the runtests results
[00:24:40] <seb_kuzminsky> in general, it's harder than it should be to get at the logs
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[00:59:03] <skunkworks> so - you did cause the problem... ;)
[01:01:04] * skunkworks points a finger
[01:01:50] <linuxcnc-build_> build #769 of lucid-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
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[01:06:45] <linuxcnc-build_> build #771 of precise-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
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[01:08:44] <linuxcnc-build_> build #773 of precise-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/precise-amd64-sim/builds/773 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[01:12:59] <linuxcnc-build_> build #769 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-amd64-sim/builds/769 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[01:15:33] <linuxcnc-build_> build #770 of lucid-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-realtime-rip/builds/770 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[01:23:07] <linuxcnc-build_> build #771 of hardy-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
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http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-realtime-rip/builds/770 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
[01:24:53] <linuxcnc-build_> build #768 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
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[01:59:42] <linuxcnc-build_> build #770 of lucid-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
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[02:05:09] <linuxcnc-build_> build #770 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
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[02:06:29] <linuxcnc-build_> build #771 of lucid-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
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[02:24:20] <linuxcnc-build_> build #769 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
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[04:44:37] <linuxcnc-build_> build #771 of lucid-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
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[05:02:08] <linuxcnc-build_> build #770 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
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[12:57:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03tissf 05v2.5_branch 17444c9 06emc2 10src/po/fr.po * French doc. update fr.po
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[13:50:06] <skunkworks> logger[psha],
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[15:39:44] <skunkworks> zultron, the atom is still an issue. idle=poll doesn't help or the smi fix or together or idle=poll no-hlt and smi fix. I am going to go through the other idle options.
[15:39:49] <skunkworks> mhaberler,
[15:40:05] <mhaberler> ah
[15:40:26] <mhaberler> what again was the issue? I'm loosing track a bit
[15:40:34] <skunkworks> 100us + latencies
[15:40:46] <mhaberler> with the current 3.5.7 kernel?
[15:40:50] <skunkworks> It isn't instant though. it has to run for 5 or sor minuts
[15:41:29] <skunkworks> I think so. (this was the 32 bit ubuntu - let me boot the 64 bit hd once)
[15:41:30] <mhaberler> I have an Intel D525MW atom board, and that behaves; what's your make?
[15:41:48] <mhaberler> I'd be surprised if that made any difference
[15:41:55] <mhaberler> hyperthreading off?
[15:42:10] <mhaberler> mine has that as BIOS option
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[15:43:15] <skunkworks> yes - lagacy usb, sound, hyperthreading off
[15:43:36] <mhaberler> what's the figures with rtai?
[15:44:06] <skunkworks> d945gclf2
[15:44:13] <skunkworks> iirc around20us
[15:44:17] <skunkworks> iirc around 20us
[15:44:23] <skunkworks> peak
[15:44:48] <skunkworks> older atom
[15:45:06] <mhaberler> _very_ early atom
[15:45:32] <mhaberler> graphics - onboard?
[15:45:50] <skunkworks> yes - although in the testing before - I put a pci video card in - no change
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[15:47:35] <mhaberler> before we go through the nail-pulling exercise: is this a relevant platform for you or is it more out of interest?
[15:48:49] <mhaberler> bios latest version?
[15:49:07] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03tissf 05master 17444c9 06emc2 10src/po/fr.po * French doc. update fr.po
[15:49:08] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05master 9748fe9 06emc2 10tests/t0/shared-test.sh * tests: try to work around a timing problem in t0 tests
[15:49:10] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05master 8c55e02 06emc2 10src/po/fr.po * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
[15:49:16] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03seb 05v2.5_branch 9748fe9 06emc2 10tests/t0/shared-test.sh * tests: try to work around a timing problem in t0 tests
[15:49:20] <skunkworks> well - I could shelf this one and go onto others - mainly the re-visit was to make sure that the latency figures where caused by breakcing out of the regression test.
[15:49:33] <skunkworks> which they seem to be.
[15:49:37] <mhaberler> for instance, your dmesg shows it needs a bios update:
http://blog.jolexa.net/2011/01/updating-intel-atom-processor-microcode/
[15:50:01] <skunkworks> I could sure do that.
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[15:50:15] <mhaberler> in dmesg
http://ja.pastebin.ca/2311009 line 202
[15:50:51] <mhaberler> also dmesg says:
[15:50:52] <mhaberler> [ 0.894116] Xenomai: SMI-enabled chipset found, but SMI workaround disabled
[15:50:52] <mhaberler> [ 0.894116] (check CONFIG_XENO_HW_SMI_WORKAROUND). You may encounter
[15:50:53] <mhaberler> [ 0.894116] high interrupt latencies!
[15:51:14] <mhaberler> not sure if the dmesg I found is the current one you see
[15:51:24] <skunkworks> I have the smi fix (that I run at boot)
[15:51:45] <mhaberler> ah, what John packaged
[15:51:51] <skunkworks> yes
[15:52:14] <skunkworks> I will probably play a bit before I give up. I think the newer amd board sucess is the main thing
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[15:53:42] <mhaberler> is that dmesg output the current one (setup); and John's kernel is from SMP Mon Feb 4 17:18:53 CST 2013
[15:54:09] <mhaberler> I think he has later builds, could you try to update from deb.machinekit.net as per wiki
[15:54:36] <skunkworks> I will check. I could throw the 64bit hd on it as it is all up-to-date
[15:54:41] <mhaberler> these are the uptodate instructions:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?XenomaiKernelPackages
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[15:55:15] <skunkworks> this one is a pain - because the correct kernel isn't the default one. (Yes I could just update grub) but I have to select the correct one each boot :)
[15:56:06] <skunkworks> I don't know how I managed that - because the 64 bit install worked perfectly
[15:56:39] <linuxcnc-build_> build #773 of lucid-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-sim/builds/773 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>
[15:58:00] <cradek> uh-oh, looks like fr.po is merged badly
[16:03:18] <linuxcnc-build_> build #774 of lucid-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-realtime-rip/builds/774 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>
[16:04:43] <linuxcnc-build_> build #773 of lucid-rtai-i386-clang is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-rtai-i386-clang/builds/773 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>
[16:04:44] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03dgarrett 05master dc07158 06emc2 03scripts/sim_pin 10src/Makefile * sim_pin script to simulate writing to hal pin
[16:04:47] <linuxcnc-build_> build #777 of precise-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
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[16:05:03] <linuxcnc-build_> build #775 of precise-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
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[16:06:15] <linuxcnc-build_> build #773 of lucid-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
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[16:07:07] <linuxcnc-build_> build #775 of hardy-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
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[16:07:22] <linuxcnc-build_> build #773 of hardy-amd64-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-amd64-realtime-rip/builds/773 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>
[16:07:28] <linuxcnc-build_> build #774 of hardy-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-i386-realtime-rip/builds/774 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>, Francis Tisserant <tissf@free.fr>
[16:08:18] <linuxcnc-build_> build #774 of hardy-i386-sim is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
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[16:12:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05master 04a7628 06emc2 10src/po/fr.po * fix build error by removing duplicate message definitions
[16:13:06] <linuxcnc-build_> build #573 of precise-amd64-sim-clang is complete: Failure [4failed compile] Build details are at
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[16:13:07] <linuxcnc-build_> build #772 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
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[16:20:42] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm trying to fix it, but i just keep breaking it worse and worse
[16:20:50] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks for fixing it, cradek
[16:22:04] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe i should have tested it before pushing it
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[16:37:40] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: it was easy to remove the duplicates, but I don't know whether I made the future better or not. I'm not really clear about how those work.
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[17:04:34] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03tissf 05v2.5_branch 12bb06a 06emc2 10src/po/fr.po * apply xgettext --no-location on fr.po
[17:05:02] <cradek> hmm, wonder what that is
[17:05:25] <cradek> oh! maybe that will help the merges
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[17:31:42] <seb_kuzminsky> i asked tiss to do that
[17:31:58] <seb_kuzminsky> i hope it'll remove a bunch of spurious merge conflicts
[17:32:11] <cradek> is xgettext normally run manually?
[17:32:29] <seb_kuzminsky> fiik
[17:32:52] <seb_kuzminsky> looks like he forgot to set a bunch of the project-specific variables
[17:33:08] <seb_kuzminsky> +"Last-Translator: FULL NAME <EMAIL@ADDRESS>\n"
[17:33:09] <seb_kuzminsky> +"Language-Team: LANGUAGE <LL@li.org>\n"
[17:33:14] <cradek> seems like we should do --no-location on both sides of the merge, ideally wherever it's normally run from
[17:33:26] <seb_kuzminsky> yay, 2.5 passed the tests
[17:33:31] <cradek> I see something in po/Submakefile but have no idea
[17:35:08] <seb_kuzminsky> xgettext (with or without --no-location) looks for translatable strings and updates the .po files so that the strings can be translated
[17:36:46] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl, work
[17:38:12] <cradek> see po/README
[17:39:04] <cradek> perhaps we should change this option for the autogenerated linuxcnc.pot, then repair all the existing .po to match (possibly using msgmerge?)
[17:39:36] <cradek> I'm pretty sure it's bogus to do it for only one .po file manually
[17:39:48] <cradek> we could use jepler's advice here
[17:40:26] <cradek> and maybe git-merge-po can be updated with this in mind
[17:40:56] <cradek> (you are using git-merge-po aren't you??)
[17:45:48] <seb_kuzminsky> bah, i don't need no fancy scripts
[17:45:51] <seb_kuzminsky> i use ed to merge
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[18:13:32] <skunkworks> mhaberler, do nothing / ^c 'ing out of the regression test keeps the latency down
[18:14:34] <skunkworks> I have not found a boot parameter combo that makes it work though yet.
[18:14:42] <skunkworks> I also have downlaoded the bios update
[18:14:48] <skunkworks> That is next
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[18:49:45] <linuxcnc-build_> build #777 of hardy-amd64-sim is complete: Failure [4failed runtests] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-amd64-sim/builds/777 blamelist: Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>, Dewey Garrett <dgarrett@panix.com>
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[19:04:53] <linuxcnc-build_> build #774 of checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/774 blamelist: Chris Radek <chris@timeguy.com>, Dewey Garrett <dgarrett@panix.com>
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[19:52:33] <seb_kuzminsky> ok, look at this test failure
[19:52:40] <seb_kuzminsky> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/hardy-amd64-sim/builds/777/steps/runtests/logs/stdio
[19:52:52] <seb_kuzminsky> search for "checkresult" to skip to the failure
[19:53:09] <seb_kuzminsky> this is the current version of master
[19:53:18] <seb_kuzminsky> one line of output is missing, from the middle of the output stream
[19:53:33] <seb_kuzminsky> it's as if one MDI command was just dropped
[19:53:40] <cradek> that's bizarre
[19:54:09] <cradek> I think mdi queueing (or whatever works as mdi queueing) in master is totally different from what's in 2.5
[19:54:10] <seb_kuzminsky> running the tests by hand and looking at /tmp/linuxcnc.print shows that the MDI command was never received by Task
[19:54:30] <seb_kuzminsky> i was seeing the same failure, but more rarely, in 2.5
[19:54:30] <cradek> oh you can repeat it? cool
[19:55:07] <seb_kuzminsky> to repeat it i made a VM, and loaded it way down with a bunch of "find / -exec md5sum" and "shasum /dev/urandom" and stuff, then run the test
[19:55:16] <cradek> ugh
[19:55:18] <seb_kuzminsky> and something like 1/5 would get the failure
[19:55:34] <seb_kuzminsky> and after the "set wait done" commit i pushed this morning, i was unable to repro it any more
[19:55:34] <cradek> always the same line, or is it random?
[19:55:49] <seb_kuzminsky> but maybe the bbot has suckier VMs than my laptop, i dont know
[19:56:18] <seb_kuzminsky> there seem to be a couple of places where a line can go missing, and it's always(?) on one of those few places
[19:56:53] <seb_kuzminsky> another, more worrisome problem, is that sometimes two MDI commands appear to be executed out of order... (this seems more rare than a dropped MDI command)
[19:57:42] <cradek> what the hell.
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[20:16:49] <seb_kuzminsky> fucking NML, how does it work
[20:19:52] <mhaberler> skunkworks: if the ^C trick works, then it is very likely an issue with the operating system idle loop and powersaving behavior; if you find anything which relates to C* states in the BIOS - that's where you should look
[20:20:41] <skunkworks> all I find in the power saving section is s1 or s2 - whatever that means - and neither effect the latency
[20:21:16] <skunkworks> it might just be a lost cause with xenomei
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[20:25:11] <seb_kuzminsky> skunkworks: s1 and s2 are the "lightest" power save modes
[20:25:13] <seb_kuzminsky> http://static.usenix.org/event/usenix02/tech/freenix/full_papers/watanabe/watanabe_html/node6.html
[20:25:32] <seb_kuzminsky> deeper sleep states save more power, but take more time to wake from
[20:26:04] <mhaberler> I think the key question is if they change CPU voltage; that change isnt instantanous and causes spikes
[20:26:35] <mhaberler> due to large capacitors - ramps on both transitions
[20:27:35] <seb_kuzminsky> i don't know what the ACPI states do to the voltage of the cpu power supply
[20:27:50] <alex_joni> it's mobo dependent I think
[20:27:56] <mhaberler> yes
[20:28:17] <seb_kuzminsky> i know that the cpu voltage can change while in S0, due to cpu frequency/power scaling, but that's controllable from userspace via cpufreq, i think
[20:28:45] <mhaberler> PCW said CPU's drive the onboard SMPS regulators, and that sure has some delay tacked on either way
[20:29:03] <mhaberler> desktop users never notice if is 100usc or 10msec
[20:29:18] <skunkworks> I enabled hpet (high precision event timer) for grins.
[20:29:49] <skunkworks> well - I just went through the bios and disabled a ton of stuff..
[20:29:54] <mhaberler> you mean the voltage modulation is controllable?
[20:31:20] <mhaberler> from seb's link I'd assume recovery from S2/S3 is slower than from S1
[20:31:45] <skunkworks> I only have s1,s2 and it is set to s1
[20:32:01] <skunkworks> and still high latency. I am giving up I think
[20:32:18] <mhaberler> any chance you turn off S1 (meaning S0 only = run state = lots of power drawn?)
[20:33:01] <skunkworks> no - only 2 options
[20:33:34] <mhaberler> with the D525MW I have no discernible difference with idle=poll, so hlt recovery looks fast and reproducible
[20:33:38] <alex_joni> any more website issues? forum?
[20:34:16] * alex_joni is only online tomorrow, then a week off
[20:34:35] <alex_joni> mhaberler: your neck of the world ;)
[20:35:04] <mhaberler> ah! lots of snow here, watch out; possible floods, it's getting warm overnight
[20:36:02] <skunkworks> alex_joni, nice job - looks like I can upload with firefox!!
[20:36:28] <alex_joni> mhaberler: fulpmes for me, so I don't think flood is an issue
[20:36:43] <alex_joni> fulpmes/stubai tal
[20:36:45] <mhaberler> no, but SNOW (note caps)
[20:37:31] <mhaberler> skunkworks: Gilles pointed me to an Intel tool I wasnt aware of:
http://biosbits.org/download/
[20:38:00] <alex_joni> mhaberler: saw that.. nothing to do about it though
[20:40:12] <mhaberler> never tried, no idea - only ref I found:
http://www.av-forums.net/plus/viewthread.php?tid=73300&page=38#pid927605
[20:40:38] <mhaberler> complete stab in the dark
[20:41:58] <mhaberler> usually Gilles makes very sound recommendations and is spot on; that is all I can say about that
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