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[01:54:47] <rlockwood> I'm trying to add a button, or preferably add an m-code to cause the camview-emc plugin to save an image-- anyone able to point me in the correct direction?
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[02:05:16] <KimK> rlockwood: If you can add a user m-code, and if you can write a script that does what you want, you should be good. Does that help? (I'm getting a snack, I'll check back in a bit.)
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[02:15:18] <rlockwood> Its of some help I suppose-- i'm mostly unsure of how to interface with the camera itself
[02:21:38] <rlockwood> which is seeming easier and easier now, after rtfm on user m-codes
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[02:27:16] <rlockwood> It looks like variable P is recieved on the script end as $1 ?
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[02:31:14] <skunkworks> KimK: how is it going?
[02:33:54] <KimK> rlockwood: Sounds right, it's been a while since I messed with it.
[02:34:28] <KimK> skunkworks: Not bad, no big news here. How's being a new dad?
[02:35:25] <skunkworks> Great - no complaints other than bed time ;)
[02:36:08] <skunkworks> (she isn't a self soother yet...)
[02:36:43] <KimK> Ha! Wait till she gets a little older, then there'll be complaints about bedtime, lol.
[02:37:15] <skunkworks> yes - can't wait ;)
[02:38:02] <KimK> "But Dad, I *have* to stay up, I have to watch American Idol XXVII !
[02:39:48] <skunkworks> She is finding her voice - ohs and ahs yeck
[02:40:27] <skunkworks> *yeck was supposed to be on the next line.. (she cannot say yeck yet - thank goodness)
[02:41:15] <KimK> They tell me that two is when they discover "No!!", but some are easier than others.
[02:42:16] <skunkworks> time will tell
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[02:42:39] <skunkworks> 40+ mph winds here.. Lots of stuff blowing around
[02:42:43] <rlockwood> 4-mo old helping me work this out currently :)
[02:43:04] <skunkworks> heh - 5 months today
[02:43:37] <KimK> So does your dad work in the shop anymore, or just come over and dote on his granddaughter?
[02:43:55] <KimK> rlockwood: Ha, you guys will have plenty to talk about!
[02:44:12] <skunkworks> KimK: a bit of both
[02:44:35] <KimK> Are you guys working on anything lately?
[02:44:42] <skunkworks> he just got a car lift installed where the other k&t would have goine
[02:44:43] <skunkworks> gone
[02:45:33] <skunkworks> http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/shop3.JPG
[02:45:37] <KimK> Well, a car lift is good too. Saves money for family stuff.
[02:46:40] <skunkworks> mom and dad where just up today - playing with the squirt
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[02:47:07] <rlockwood> skunkworks: Small world, I think i'm subscribed to your youtube channel
[02:47:51] <skunkworks> cool!
[02:48:29] <KimK> Is that blue ceiling column new? Good job if so.
[02:48:59] <skunkworks> no - that crane has been up for a while - still needs some finishing
[02:49:16] <skunkworks> it was up when you where there..
[02:50:15] <KimK> Ah, OK, I had forgotten about that. Wasn't the lathe where the car hoist is now? Where did the lathe go?
[02:51:10] <skunkworks> nope - there was a raised office area framed in..
[02:51:24] <skunkworks> the other end of the building is where the lathes are
[02:51:46] <KimK> OK, I must be turned around in the picture.
[02:51:46] <skunkworks> you are only looking at the front half of the building.
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[02:52:05] <skunkworks> there is about 40ft behind the camera
[02:52:35] <KimK> Nice!
[02:52:58] <skunkworks> they have been really cleaning up
[02:53:19] <KimK> rlockwood: I forgot to ask what your machine is?
[02:53:59] <rlockwood> taig
[02:54:14] <KimK> tabletop mill?
[02:54:19] <rlockwood> yes
[02:54:34] <KimK> Great, hope it's going well
[02:55:07] <rlockwood> It functions fine-- FWIW I have mori seikis at work :)
[02:55:51] <rlockwood> my end goal is to replicate the tormach digital scanner using this taig, if you're familiar with that
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[02:58:21] <rlockwood> basically a usb microscope used to create a parallax free (or, greatly reduced) image/scan, by stitching together numerous images
[03:01:36] <KimK> Moris are nice too. We have a Mori Seiki MV Junior on the LinuxCNC retrofit list here, but work has stalled due to assorted other emergencies of the hour/day/week. No, I'm not familiar with the Tormach digital scanner, but that sounds good. I do like the idea the guy posted on YouTube about the Haas toolroom lathe (I think it was) with a USB microscope on a removable framework for tool setting. It may not be perfect, but it would s
[03:01:36] <KimK> urely get you close enough to take a first cut.
[03:01:39] <KimK> Oops
[03:03:49] <rlockwood> not the worst idea in the world. Only issue I see is diameter compensation-- DoF is so narrow on these things
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[03:15:34] <KimK> Maybe that's why he's OK on a lathe. A small depth-of-field would be OK since you're only cutting on the "top" surface of the tool. Also he probably only uses triangles and diamonds with small diameter radii, if he was on a *big* lathe, and trimming castings, say, using round inserts the size of a silver dollar, then there would be problems. Although I guess you could still make two measurements?
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[03:17:36] <rlockwood> Ah, I mustve read past the lathe part. That makes it easier
[03:17:51] <rlockwood> all of the tools are already on the same plane :)
[03:19:10] <KimK> Yes, exactly. Although there may be a small asterisk for cutting-angle, chip-breaking, whatever. So it might not be completely flat, but yeah, pretty close.
[03:19:37] <rlockwood> If camview is already using my webcam, i'm guessing i'll have issues if I try and use a separate command line program to save an image..?
[03:20:48] <KimK> I have no knowledge of camview, but that sounds right. Can you use a "tee" in a script to feed camview, or will camview not be so easily fooled?
[03:22:30] <rlockwood> No clue, cant seem to find much information on camview itself, other than that someone had already done the work of making it function in a linuxcnc tab.
[03:22:59] <rlockwood> Otherwise, sourceforge seems to have lost all documentation related to it, and it hasnt seen any development since ~2008
[03:24:01] <KimK> I wish I could be more help, but you can always post to the mailing list.
[03:24:13] <KimK> Or now the forum, I guess.
[03:24:22] <KimK> (Sorry, I never think of the forum)
[03:24:36] <KimK> (My apologies to all you forum fans)
[03:28:28] <KimK> That last oops (me flooding again) reminded me to look for a character-counter plug-in for Xchat, and they had one, let me try it out...
[03:29:32] <cradek> ooh, knowing the maximum line length on the server and having your client not let you type longer than that is such an obvious feature, I wonder why I've never looked for it
[03:30:08] <KimK> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
[03:30:17] <KimK> 300 doesn't flood...
[03:30:46] <cradek> I think the max is a lot more than that
[03:30:51] <KimK> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345
[03:30:51] <KimK> 678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
[03:30:52] <KimK> 1234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
[03:31:03] <KimK> 1000 floods more than once...
[03:31:17] <KimK> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345
[03:31:17] <KimK> 67890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890
[03:31:21] <KimK> That was 500
[03:32:04] <cradek> yours are splitting at 435
[03:32:09] <KimK> 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345
[03:32:09] <KimK> 678901234567890
[03:32:20] <KimK> That was 450. Thanks!
[03:32:26] <cradek> do you already have something that splits the long lines? I'm used to them just getting cut off.
[03:34:32] <KimK> I just use Xchat, so it must handle that? Would you like the character-counter plug-in I just found? It puts a little counter box off to the side, it's correct but falls one keystroke behind, tap "ctrl" or "alt" to get it caught up. Is that OK? It's written in perl.
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[03:36:57] <KimK> BTW (I'm using Ubuntu 10.04) I install the "plain vanilla" Xchat, which is more advanced. The gnome-xchat (was that it?) with the "Ubuntu approved" logo is an earlier version and I had problems of sime kind several years ago, don't remember what, switched and never looked back.
[03:37:52] <cradek> I suspect the maximum message length is something like 450 minus the length of the channel's name
[03:38:27] <cradek> I don't use xchat, but have found a similar script to split for my client
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[03:40:15] <KimK> I also install the "plain-vanilla" system tray blinker, which is normally an orange X (with a little "chat" in front), it blinks like it's got a green LED behind it when needed. There's a gnome- version of that too, I think you have to match them. Ah, OK, so you're all set up then! Excellent. And I should have just enough characters left for a test: 123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901
[03:40:19] <KimK> Ha!
[03:41:08] <KimK> I think that was 434, I stopped short in case of /n trouble, wasn't sure.
[03:42:04] <KimK> At least I have some kind of clue now.
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[03:42:30] <cradek> it's funny that it's different for each channel.
[03:43:03] <jepler> The message format is PRIVMSG #channelname :text... so it might depend on the length of the channel name
[03:43:28] <jepler> looking at the info a modern irc server sends, it includes stuff like the max length of a channel topic but not of an overall command or of a PRIVMSG's text
[03:43:45] <cradek> jepler: in irssi, /script splitlong, and never worry again
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[03:43:54] <cradek> which pleases me
[03:44:57] <KimK> You guys are no doubt correct about the channel name, etc. I know something like that happens with cell phone text messages sent to email, you lose message characters on long email names.
[03:45:21] <jepler> IRC messages ... SHALL NOT exceed 512 characters in length ... including the trailing CR-LF
[03:46:07] <jepler> cradek: what do I do to make it take effect when I restart irssi?
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[03:46:53] <cradek> I haven't figured that out yet. /save doesn't put it in .irssi/config like I expected^Whoped
[03:47:13] <jepler> To add autoload scripts when starting irssi, you can add a symlink like this:
[03:47:17] <jepler> cd .irssi/scripts/autorun
[03:47:19] <jepler> ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/trackbar.pl ./
[03:47:29] <cradek> laaaame
[03:47:45] <cradek> er, I mean, thanks
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[03:49:41] <cradek> diff .zfs/snapshot/2013-01-19/.irssi/config .irssi/config
[03:49:45] <cradek> zfs is the best thing
[03:51:28] <cradek> that splitlong.pl script fixes a thing that's been a minor but persistent pain for the majority of my life
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[03:52:35] <KimK> You guys are both using irssi? I'll look into it. Screenshot? Here's mine: http://imagebin.org/243456
[03:53:23] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/irssi-screenshot.png
[03:54:18] <cradek> the bottom status line is from screen, not irssi
[03:54:50] <KimK> OK. What might it tell you?
[03:56:03] <cradek> well it's showing I have two screens, irssi and a shell, date/time/load, and that the only visible screen is the one selected
[03:56:28] <cradek> if the screen was split showing two or more, I'd see the cyan bar under the selected one
[03:57:00] <cradek> the other one is actually my email, but I hadn't renamed 'bash' to 'mutt' yet
[03:58:13] <KimK> BTW, glad if I helped in a small way to relieve your pain, lol.
[03:58:17] <KimK> OK, so you guys are big believers in text screens, then? Because they're better, or because that's what you started out with back when?
[03:58:19] <cradek> thanks
[03:58:37] <cradek> oh hey, why don't you ask me about religion, gun control, and the metric system too
[03:58:48] <KimK> Ha, sure!
[03:59:27] <cradek> GUIs are just a fad, like color TV
[04:00:19] <KimK> Well, I ask because if you guys find that during development it is helpful to go back and forth between/among text screens, that might be good for me to know that. (No, I won't ask vi or emacs, lol)
[04:00:40] <cradek> I used to use a text mode web browser most of the time, but I've given that up. it didn't actually work BETTER than a gui web browser. but irssi and mutt ARE better than their gui equivalents, which are probably xchat and thunderbird
[04:02:06] <cradek> (I do use both vi and emacs, for different tasks)
[04:03:23] <KimK> "...but irssi and mutt ARE better than their gui equivalents..." OK, now see, that's what I'm curious about. Better in what way, exactly? Speed? Bugs? Something else?
[04:04:17] <cradek> my emc-users mailbox has 49005 messages in it and it opens in 2 seconds
[04:04:33] <cradek> (that's every message ever sent to the list)
[04:05:00] <skunkworks> I have 96316 messages in my inbox...
[04:05:13] <cradek> woo!
[04:05:36] <skunkworks> that is 2011,12 and 13
[04:05:37] <cradek> 311 from empirescreen
[04:06:21] <KimK> cradek: Ha, "...every message ever sent to the list..." OK, you've surely got me beat there!
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[04:07:12] <skunkworks> heh
[04:07:17] <cradek> 11549 messages contain the string "axis"
[04:07:34] <cradek> skunkworks: how many messages in your inbox contain the string "axis"?
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[04:13:50] * KimK thinks maybe skunkworks2 is getting comfortable with a smartphone or an ipad or something
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[04:15:52] <skunkworks2> cradek: I will look tomorrow.. :-)
[04:16:17] <cradek> haha you can only see your mail in one place?
[04:16:32] <skunkworks2> KimK: correct. nook color
[04:16:34] <cradek> (one of the big advantages to irssi and mutt is you can run them in screen)
[04:17:42] <skunkworks2> cradek: I am not that guruie yet
[04:18:10] <cradek> skunkworks2: think you'll go to mpm in june?
[04:18:39] <skunkworks2> I hope to...
[04:19:13] <skunkworks2> Thunderbird
[04:19:27] <KimK> Oh, in case there are any Xchat users who scroll back on this later and are curious about the character-counter script: http://impressive.net/people/gerald/2009/05/xchat-inputcount.pl
[04:20:18] <rlockwood3> Cool. got the user m-command to take a webcam image. Thanks a ton for the help KimK.
[04:20:43] <rlockwood3> using streamer, doesnt work with camview loaded, but thats okay.
[04:22:02] <KimK> Ha, you got it to work with the miniscule help you got from me?? That's all to your credit then, congratulations!
[04:22:46] <KimK> Maybe post something on it on the wiki?
[04:23:11] <rlockwood3> yeah, mostly anyhow. I had hoped to be able to pass text as a variable, to control file names a little easier, but that doesnt seem to work
[04:23:44] <rlockwood3> Still need to write a macro that moves the table & then snaps the picture. From there I should be able to get something worth telling somebody about
[04:24:56] <KimK> It might have something to do with double-quote, single-quote/apostrophe, and backtick. I always have to look those up.
[04:25:50] <rlockwood3> "bad number format"
[04:29:43] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chris 05v2.5_branch 2fe8dae 06emc2 10debian/linuxcnc-sim.sharedmimeinfo * fix rebranding mistake
[04:31:01] <KimK> I'll check back with you guys later or tomorrow (depending on how fast it goes), I've got a little repair to do first. Maybe goodnight? Thanks for the help and advice.
[04:32:03] <cradek> goodnight, nice to see you again
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[04:58:04] <cmorley> cradek: One of the users reminded me: he is using halui to do jogging, which seems reasonable, but Gscreen can't display the jog rate unless I add a HAL pin to get it. I guess last-used jog_rate and jog_increment could be added to status. but that all seems a little cludgy...
[04:59:41] <cmorley> I'm telling you more just to remind me what the problem was :)
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