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[00:01:01] <memleak> wireless, bluetooth, probably most laptops wont work entirely but it's a good start. you can add all that stuff in later but the core IPIPE / Xenomai stuff is tweaked good. processor features etc
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[00:03:17] <memleak> pentium pro isn't selected, forgot to check that again. also some wired ethernet adapters might be missing. it gives you a good idea though. sorry about the mishaps, havent used a 32-bit system in about 3 years
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[00:07:50] <memleak> alright guys takin a break, be back tomorrow!
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[01:59:17] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master e9ffd13 06emc2 10configs/sim/gscreen_custom/industrial.glade * gscreen config -fix some error/regressions/preferences
[02:07:07] <andypugh> Has anyone looked at the extra "fabs" added in that patch submitted to the mailing list today?
[02:07:28] <andypugh> On the face of it, it looks like a required fix.
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[02:30:15] <L84Supper> zultron: we are waiting to see what happens with the beaglebone. There are few other ARM boards I'd rather work with such as the
http://cubieboard.org/ http://wandboard.org/ or
http://www.hardkernel.com/renewal_2011/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G135341370451 ODROID-U2
[02:31:06] <L84Supper> the TI am3350 is getting old and it's way overpriced
[02:33:32] <L84Supper> and the only way the bones form factor could be worse is if they made it round or added a steering wheel
[02:34:27] <L84Supper> 256MB DDR2 400MHZ is also pretty small
[02:34:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master 0d8422f 06emc2 10configs/sim/gscreen_custom/ 10industrial.glade 10industrial_handler.py * gscreen config -add mode buttons to main tab
[03:27:39] <zultron> Hi L84Supper, I understand your concern about the beaglebone. A few folks here are interested in it specifically because of the PRUs, which might be able to run a very tight base thread.
[03:28:16] <zultron> You probably know that from Charles Steinkuehler's posts to the -devel list.
[03:29:23] <zultron> If its promises are true, it should beat any software stepper, no matter how fast the CPU.
[03:32:11] <zultron> That said, those are some pretty sweet little boards you point out.
[03:32:50] <L84Supper> we don't use fast steppers for much
[03:33:21] <L84Supper> but I can see how some people might want to use them
[03:34:43] <zultron> Yep. The guys who want these say they want to cry when they see the reprap guys constantly rewriting things for the arduino.
[03:34:58] <zultron> Different market from yours.
[03:36:24] <L84Supper> anything precision is servo, even the cheap desktop inkjets use a stepper with an encoder
[03:37:46] <L84Supper> the reprap devs are just in a world of their own, we are actually rewriting a lot of their code now for a project since it's such a hackjob
[03:38:07] <zultron> Yeah. I guess the beaglebone/PRU stuff should be capable of closed loop operation for stepping.
[03:38:31] <zultron> Oh really? hah, I don't envy you.
[03:38:34] <L84Supper> they recently started use arm coretx-m3/4's for some new motion control boards
[03:38:59] <L84Supper> it's really awful code
[03:39:37] <andypugh> Night folks
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[03:44:02] <L84Supper> many of the multicore ARM SOC's have PWM blocks that can be used to drive steppers
[03:45:48] <L84Supper> TI am3350 are also expensive, the allwinner a10 cortex a9 1.2GHz is $6
[03:47:14] <L84Supper> you could add a $20 FPGA and still save $ over using the am3350
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[03:50:04] <pcw_home> the Zynq is supposedly $15 in gazillions
[03:51:13] <pcw_home> (smallest part =7010)
[03:53:24] <skunkworks> that is almost what is in the nook color.... ;) ARM Cortex A8-based Ti OMAP 3621
[03:54:19] <L84Supper> http://reprap.org/mediawiki/images/1/12/Pronterface.png this is the UI from printrun for a 2.5d reprap
[03:54:31] <L84Supper> what confused mind would do this?
[03:55:13] <skunkworks> also - I thought the arduino motion code didn't have acceleration
[03:55:39] <L84Supper> i saw some new stuff that mentioned it
[03:56:12] <L84Supper> oh yeah, it's in the configs
[03:56:19] <L84Supper> running it right now
[03:56:54] <pcw_home> L84Supper: do you have any idea how fast the Allwinner A10 GPIO will toggle?
[03:56:55] <skunkworks> well - they are advancing ;)
[03:57:29] <L84Supper> pcw_home: thats the $10k question, i was waiting for the cubieboard to finally ship
[03:57:44] <L84Supper> somebody is testing that currently
[03:58:02] <L84Supper> there is a fast counter and PWM
[03:58:43] <pcw_home> Yeah. I might make a cheap daughtercard for the cubie (while waiting for zynq)
[03:59:01] <L84Supper> there are a few dozen serious arm linux devs working on the source for the a10
[03:59:42] <L84Supper> http://linux-sunxi.org/Main_Page
[04:00:25] <L84Supper> open drivers for the mali gpu is also coming along well
[04:01:05] <pcw_home> If the GPIO is not too bad a simple 8 or 16 bit bus might be pretty decent FPGA intfc
[04:01:26] <L84Supper> is also has a NAND interface
[04:01:45] <L84Supper> I looked at using that for an FPGA
[04:01:48] <pcw_home> Thats another possibility
[04:02:19] <L84Supper> the leaked docs are on that site
[04:02:53] <pcw_home> I'm hoping the Zynq is not too terrible in low Q's
[04:03:06] <pcw_home> (price wise)
[04:03:30] <L84Supper> if they make it into any high volume devices in China I can buy them out the back door
[04:03:51] <pcw_home> Lucky you!
[04:04:10] <pcw_home> Xilinx really protects their distys
[04:04:38] <pcw_home> (here at least)
[04:04:58] <L84Supper> you can check the semiconductor tradings sites
[04:05:17] <pcw_home> a little too early yet
[04:05:23] <L84Supper> overstock, fell off truck, etc etc
[04:05:50] <L84Supper> i found 10K of the omap 4430's
[04:06:20] <L84Supper> I didn't check on the am3350
[04:06:30] <pcw_home> Some newer chips (like the OnSemi Driver we use for a lot of our I/O cards)
[04:06:32] <pcw_home> we could only get from China
[04:07:23] <pcw_home> no USA stock
[04:09:11] <L84Supper> we can get connectors that are amp, molex, sam etc etc clones
[04:09:45] <L84Supper> 1K pcs at 1-2% over the 1M piece price
[04:12:02] <L84Supper> OMAP 3530 are ~$25
[04:13:01] <L84Supper> http://www.ti.com/product/omap3530#samplebuy
[04:15:47] <pcw_home> Thats nice TI screws small QTY users
[04:15:59] <L84Supper> i.mx6 freescale quad core a9's are $25 if they ever ship
[04:17:17] <pcw_home> There are tablets using them
[04:17:51] <pcw_home> (at least Ive seen a review maybe it was a sample/proto)
[04:17:56] <L84Supper> very few non giant oems have been getting any
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[04:18:47] <L84Supper> http://wandboard.org/ they finally got a few k's
[04:19:28] <L84Supper> and those are only the 1 and 2 core versions
[04:20:00] <L84Supper> not sure why they didn't stuff the SATA connectors
[04:20:17] <L84Supper> more bugs or ??
[04:21:20] <pcw_home> I like the zynq because is has really good CPU/FPGA bandwidth but price is still a ?
[04:21:53] <L84Supper> yeah, I've been waiting to see what they end up being
[04:25:22] <pcw_home> With its GIGE Its a fair replacement for our customers using PCI FPGA cards for 20 .. 80Mbyte/sec data xfer rates
[04:27:29] <L84Supper> http://boundarydevices.com/products/sabre-lite-imx6-sbc/ pricey but they added the PCIe connector
[04:28:12] <L84Supper> i.mx6 , tegra and some Marvell SOCs have PCIe 1-4x
[04:29:24] <L84Supper> I considered the i.mx6 for a board along with xilinx for multi servos
[04:30:59] <pcw_home> Probably overkill
[04:35:31] <pcw_home> but its hard to tell, I wonder what the floating point performance is like? There a paper comparing the Beagle (660 Mhz) with the Atom (1.6 GHz) and the Beagle is terrible
[04:35:33] <pcw_home> (maybe 1/16 the FP speed)
[04:36:46] <pcw_home> (Beagle with of course better performance/watt)
[04:40:14] <L84Supper> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15/6
[04:41:26] <L84Supper> http://www.lowpowerservers.com/?p=211
[04:41:39] <L84Supper> http://www.extremetech.com/computing/141873-cortex-a15-posts-impressive-performance-threat-intel-amd
[04:42:00] <L84Supper> most of these are cortex a15 vs atom tests
[04:43:30] <L84Supper> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=calxeda_ecx1000_atom&num=1
[04:44:51] <L84Supper> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=gentoo_arm_x32&num=1
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[07:06:52] <pcw_home> Phoronix is a little ignorant calling a Atom 450 a dual core processor...
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[07:13:20] <L84Supper> how often do you read a well written tech article? especially one that compares benchmarks, cpu's, gpu, etc etc
[07:15:37] <pcw_home> Its just a little dissapointing the the best Arms core/core are only up to D525 performance
[07:15:39] <pcw_home> (much better /watt of course)
[07:16:21] <L84Supper> ARM is just getting to 2ghz
[07:17:16] <L84Supper> and once you start adding a big cache, and a fast memory controller power and space get eaten up
[07:18:11] <pcw_home> Yeah
[07:19:00] <L84Supper> Intel has done a pretty good job of keeping ARM off the desktop and out of laptops
[07:19:29] <L84Supper> the new ARM Chromebook is the #1 seller on Amazon now
[07:19:59] <pcw_home> Interesting
[07:21:49] <L84Supper> http://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/devices/
[07:23:45] <L84Supper> http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/developer-information-for-chrome-os-devices/samsung-arm-chromebook
[07:24:24] <L84Supper> 16 GiB SSD (connected to eMMC) soldered in place vs on a small carrier board with socket
[07:24:43] <L84Supper> so SD or HD on USB for expansion
[07:26:29] <L84Supper> http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/mobile/Google/ChromebookA15/DSC_0695.jpg
[07:26:53] <L84Supper> http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/mobile/Google/ChromebookA15/DSC_0704.jpg
[07:27:15] <L84Supper> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6422/samsung-chromebook-xe303-review-testing-arms-cortex-a15/3
[07:28:23] <L84Supper> I haven't checked the part number but there might be some pin compatible large emmc devices
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[07:33:05] <pcw_home> Sandisk SSD
[07:33:47] <pcw_home> sleepy time... 'nite
[07:33:50] <L84Supper> http://www.marvell.com/embedded-processors/armada-xp/
[07:33:53] <L84Supper> nite
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[19:16:14] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master e336b99 06emc2 10configs/sim/gscreen_custom/ 10industrial.glade 10industrial_handler.py * gscreen config -update to leverage button sensitive lists
[19:16:18] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master 508e5de 06emc2 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py * gscreen -add button sensitive list for all_homed
[19:16:25] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master 1ef1bdb 06emc2 10configs/sim/gscreen_custom/industrial_handler.py * gscreen -add method call to init_sensitive all_homed
[19:16:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master c858215 06emc2 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/mdi.py * gscreen -add a tool change method to MDI commands
[19:16:38] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03chrisinnanaimo 05master a308b96 06emc2 10src/emc/usr_intf/gscreen/gscreen.py * gscreen -add a tool index method, reorder some buttons
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