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[00:10:43] <kwallace> The pull worked well too. Thank you for enabling my lack of Git knowledge. My penance will be to read a ProGit chapter tonight or maybe some other discipline.
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[00:26:17] <seb_kuzminsky> ProGit is very good
[00:26:40] <seb_kuzminsky> here's another resource that lays out the git internals in all their glorious simplicity:
http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/
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[00:33:59] <kwallace> That's a good link. I do better with pictures.
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[15:18:49] <mhaberler> jepler: can I ask you to give these guys a hand:
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/41-guis/25930-gremlin?start=42 ?
[15:19:17] <mhaberler> that guesswork goes on for days on end.
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[15:39:38] <jepler> if there's a specific question I'll take a stab at answering it. that thread is all over the place.
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[16:00:08] <JT-Shop> I'm making progress on my questions, dunno about ArcEye...
[16:00:53] <JT-Shop> well except for the last post about reporting a gcode error
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[16:30:00] <mhaberler> well, I think a usage example would go a long way
[16:31:56] <JT-Shop> yes I agree! given enough time I might hack one out LOL
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[16:39:20] <skunkworks> Oh - tormach must be using gremlin?
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[16:45:10] <cradek> I think they are writing their own gui... :-/
[16:45:28] <seb_kuzminsky> didnt smithy do the same?
[16:45:41] <cradek> d. rogge recently asked something and I lectured him about how he's doing something wrong :-(
[16:45:46] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: yes
[16:46:21] <seb_kuzminsky> i think there might be two reasons why companies do that
[16:46:26] <seb_kuzminsky> 1: our guis suck
[16:46:45] <skunkworks> you guys are so mean!
[16:46:52] <skunkworks> ;)
[16:46:54] <seb_kuzminsky> 2: they think (perhaps correctly) that they can differentiate themselves and add value for their customers by writing their own gui
[16:47:34] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: yes undoubtedly you are right
[16:47:59] <skunkworks> Didn't smithy release their gui opensource? I thought I remmeber reading that...
[16:48:39] <seb_kuzminsky> mmm, tea & cream, brb
[16:48:44] <cradek> yes, or at least some of it? I don't remember the details but I remember thinking it was kind of complicated somehow
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[16:55:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i think it had some "conversational machining" stuff in it? that seems to be a feature the grownups have that we dont
[16:57:55] <cradek> we do have the ... whazzitcalled ... for lathe
[16:58:02] <cradek> I think that works in a similar way
[16:58:27] <cradek> I haven't tried it yet but JT seems to swear by it
[16:58:53] <seb_kuzminsky> well i'll be a monkey's uncle
[16:59:08] <seb_kuzminsky> and there's ngcgui, is that conversational?
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[17:00:19] <cradek> that's what I was talking about
[17:00:45] <seb_kuzminsky> now if only we could pass 100 arguments to our functions we'd be all set
[17:00:50] * seb_kuzminsky winks
[17:01:00] <cradek> eek
[17:01:04] <cradek> yeah yeah.
[17:01:48] <JT-Shop> we need a whazzit for python :)
[17:02:13] <cradek> does ngcgui generate simple straight line gcode or does it use fancy ngc features?
[17:02:45] <JT-Shop> it does whatever you put in the subroutines
[17:02:57] <cradek> ok so it doesn't generate gcode
[17:03:06] <seb_kuzminsky> JT-Shop: it's a way to ask the user for arguments to a subroutine, right?
[17:03:17] <seb_kuzminsky> with some help about what the args mean?
[17:03:20] <JT-Shop> no, it just fills in the variables and concatanates the subs
[17:03:41] <cradek> huh, then touchy's macros are just exactly like that
[17:03:43] <JT-Shop> yea pretty much, you can have error checking for valid values etc
[17:03:58] <seb_kuzminsky> sounds handy
[17:03:59] <JT-Shop> touchy has macros?
[17:04:06] <cradek> I'd prefer to write anything remotely complicated in non-gcode
[17:04:19] <cradek> JT-Shop: sure it does
[17:04:47] <cradek> hell it's even in the docs. wonders never cease.
[17:05:13] <JT-Shop> for example I can face a part, turn the od as many different sizes as I need in steps, thread some part, drill, bore, tap and part off with a few keystrokes
[17:05:45] <seb_kuzminsky> each of those ops is a different ngcgui screen?
[17:06:03] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gui/touchy.html#_macros
[17:06:22] <cradek> it's really quite useful
[17:06:32] <cradek> I use it for probing routines mostly
[17:07:04] <seb_kuzminsky> not that macro you dont
[17:07:12] <seb_kuzminsky> it's missing the m2 :-P
[17:07:35] <cradek> it's called with mdi o-call. I probably even tested the example.
[17:07:48] <cradek> so there. :-P
[17:07:50] <JT-Shop> seb, yes each one is in a tab and you can add more on the fly
[17:08:28] <JT-Shop> you move the order around to what you want... it is quite powerful
[17:08:46] <seb_kuzminsky> the named sub docs say that names subs must end with m2:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/o-code.html#_calling_files
[17:09:04] <seb_kuzminsky> JT-Shop: sounds pretty cool, way less clunky than my manual cnc machining ;-)
[17:09:14] <cradek> it's as if one of us oughta try it and fix whatever doc is wrong
[17:09:40] <seb_kuzminsky> wait, actually the docs dont say that
[17:09:44] <seb_kuzminsky> why do i think it does?
[17:10:07] <JT-Shop> which doc?
[17:10:22] <seb_kuzminsky> the one i linked just above
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[17:26:00] <seb_kuzminsky> you're right and i'm wrong
[17:26:15] <seb_kuzminsky> no m2 is needed at the end of files with named subs
[17:26:23] * seb_kuzminsky goes to edit all my named subs files
[17:26:49] <cradek> well you might want it. m2 has some useful effects.
[17:27:16] <seb_kuzminsky> like what?
[17:27:46] <cradek> like resetting to g54, g21/g21, etc
[17:27:54] <cradek> turning off spindle/coolant
[17:28:00] <cradek> I don't remember the whole list
[17:28:12] <cradek> er I meant g20/g21, g90, ...?
[17:29:52] <seb_kuzminsky> the m2 at the end of my named-sub file does not appear to have those effects
[17:30:13] <cradek> do you have it before or fater the endsum?
[17:30:17] <cradek> wtf
[17:30:18] <seb_kuzminsky> the m2 is outside the sub (which i thought was a requirement)
[17:30:19] <cradek> am I drunk or what
[17:30:29] <seb_kuzminsky> i have it fatter then endsum
[17:30:43] <cradek> oh then, maybe that's what I'd even expect
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[17:38:36] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe I read this example and thought the M2 was required in named-sub files?
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/gcode/o-code.html#_calling_files
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[17:58:40] <seb_kuzminsky> interesting, a file with a named sub in it can have any kind of junk before and after the sub, and it won't cause an error
[17:59:04] <seb_kuzminsky> everything outside "o<name> sub" and "o<name> endsub" appears to be totally ignored
[17:59:15] <seb_kuzminsky> we should probably not advertise that fact...
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[18:35:54] <jthornton> I managed to change the views with self.gremlin.current_view = 'x' however the tool path is not updated. I tried gremlin._redraw() but that does not work. Anyone know what redraws the tool path?
[18:38:19] <jepler> maybe call set_current_view()?
[18:38:26] <jepler> on the gremlin object
[18:39:09] <jthornton> ah I was calling current_view not set_current_view
[18:42:41] <jthornton> jepler, thanks for the help... I now have the views working :)
[18:46:21] <skunkworks> screen shot!
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[19:20:00] <awallin_itx> mhaberler: just e-mailed you an error message from rtos-preview3...
[19:20:29] <mhaberler> thanks!
[19:20:59] <mhaberler> oh, right.
[19:21:06] <mhaberler> Xenomai permissions..
[19:22:05] <awallin_itx> that didn't show up in the usermode-pci branch
[19:23:00] <mhaberler> I'm not totally sure where that comes from; if the executing user has xenomai as login group it works but for some reason setgid xenomai of the rtapi_app binary doesnt
[19:23:48] <mhaberler> but I have an idea. well thanks!
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[19:41:50] <awallin_itx> now tried -merged-into-master also... (compile problem)
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[19:48:14] <jthornton> http://imagebin.org/240115
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[19:48:57] <mhaberler> awallin_itx: add yourself to the xenomai group, logout, login and retry - let me know if that works
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[20:09:06] <awallin_itx> sudo usermod -G xenomai anders"
[20:09:10] <awallin_itx> eh
[20:09:23] <awallin_itx> that does not seem to make a difference
[20:09:35] <awallin_itx> I still get "binding failed" a number of times
[20:10:07] <awallin_itx> oh maybe I need to logout/login..
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[20:13:27] <awallin_itx> mhaberler: yep! logout and login again and now it works
[20:13:58] <mhaberler> excellent - thanks; I'll add a configure test for that, maybe a runtime check
[20:16:42] <jepler> mhaberler: some other part besides rtapi_app needs group xenomai access?
[20:17:47] <mhaberler> no, actually it's only the threads and motion modules which call upon xenomai functions wrt threads (indirectly through rtapi/hal)
[20:18:36] <mhaberler> need to dig a bit more, this is a bit mysterious - but if user is in group xenomai, and does a newgrp xenomai, thereafter all is fine
[20:19:16] <mhaberler> but probably its not a good idea to assume the build user is the executing user so I'll make that a runtime test in rtapi_ap
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[20:36:30] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03matt 05v2.5_branch c718c84 06emc2 10configs/ 10(7 files)
[20:36:31] <KGB-linuxcnc> Fix G95, 1315 spindle RPM display and add spindle fault stuff to 1240combined_4axis
[20:36:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03matt 05v2.5_branch ba41fa8 06emc2 * Merge branch 'v2.5_branch' of ssh://git.linuxcnc.org/git/emc2 into v2.5_branch
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[20:43:57] <mhaberler> awallin_itx: there's now a configure warning and a runtime test to catch that.
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[21:02:20] <mhaberler> PCW: so this is all about ferror fault messages then?
[21:02:32] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03matt 05v2.5_branch 93d2a1b 06emc2 10configs/ 10smithy/1240combined.ini 10smithy/1240combined_4axis.ini * Adjust 1240combined velocities
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[21:22:54] <PCW> mhaberler I sent an email
[21:23:01] <mhaberler> thanks
[21:23:42] <mhaberler> ok, I understand the problem now I think
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[21:24:00] <PCW> its a delicate thing as well because fixing this will break lots of peoples tuning :-)
[21:24:17] <PCW> :-( i mean
[21:24:27] <mhaberler> that's a case for a pin or param to change as needed
[21:24:49] <mhaberler> keep it bug-compatible by default ;)
[21:24:53] <PCW> Yeah that would be a lot nicer
[21:25:14] <mhaberler> well its needed for verification anyway
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[21:25:37] <PCW> the ferror=piderror option
[21:26:23] <mhaberler> boy, seb had a serious bout of test-case writing: 112 now in master
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[22:37:16] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03matt 05v2.5_branch 13e5325 06emc2 10configs/ 10(9 files) * Add and comment out hal command to enable Mesa board watchdog
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