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[12:33:07] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03anders.e.e.wallin 05v2.5_branch dcb81b7 06emc2 10docs/src/hal/components.txt * organize hal-compontents into subsections
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[12:45:57] <jthornton> alex_joni, why is there a io.9 man page that redirects to iocontrol.9?
[12:46:20] <jthornton> was io renamed to iocontrol back in '07
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[14:16:49] <alex_joni> most likely
[14:17:05] <alex_joni> I don't specifically remember an io instead of iocontrol though
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[14:22:47] <jepler> I think the binary is called io and its pins are named starting iocontrol, at least in 2.5
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[14:30:54] <alex_joni> jepler: ah, right
[14:31:08] <alex_joni> it was simio initially, then it got changed to io
[14:31:58] <jthornton> do we need the io man page?
[14:36:38] <alex_joni> well.. users might want to do a man io
[14:36:49] <alex_joni> when they do a ls and see the executable is named io
[14:36:57] <alex_joni> so I'd keep the symlink
[14:37:07] <jthornton> ok, thanks
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[18:56:19] <awallin> does anyone have a clue where the man-page sources are?
[18:56:29] <awallin> for non-comp HAL components
[18:57:38] <awallin> docs/man/man9 maybe..
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[19:34:15] <jthornton> yea docs/man
[19:35:49] <awallin> the markup for man-pages really isn't that appealing :)
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[19:39:20] <jthornton> LOL, no it is not for the faint of heart
[19:40:00] <jthornton> you could write a script I assume to create it from text
[19:41:53] <awallin> asciidoc, with suitable magic to create troff or whatever is the native man-page format
[19:42:06] <jthornton> I really don't think the man pages get much use outside of the html man pages
[19:42:25] <jthornton> one obvious problem is knowing what to type in after man
[19:43:13] <awallin> I agree, the HTML is more important
[19:44:20] <awallin> https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/7312
[19:44:36] <awallin> man page source could look like this (asciidoc)
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/7312?getfile=1217
[19:45:59] <jepler> we already depend on a2x for building documentation so if our docbuilding toolchain learns to build manpages from asciidoc sources, I think that'd be dandy
[19:46:43] <jepler> also needed would be work on comp to be able to take asciidoc docstrings (and how to remain compatible with old pages written with man-style markup I'm not sure; make all asciidoc comps say "option asciidoc" maybe)
[19:47:01] <jepler> it might well give nicer looking html output too
[19:49:33] <jthornton> asciidoc is so much easier to read and edit than troff
[19:50:01] <awallin> "a2x -d manpage -f manpage test.asciidoc " does produce something, but I'm not sure how much that must be tweaked to be just right
[19:50:23] <awallin> people seem to use an asciidoc.conf file with customizations
[19:53:14] <jepler> to my eye this gives a perfectly respectable manpage: $ cd /tmp; wget -O pacman.8.txt
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/7312?getfile=1217; a2x -d manpage -f manpage pacman.8.txt ; man ./pacman.8
[19:53:38] <jepler> a2x 8.5.2 which is probably considered venerable at this point (ubuntu 10.04)
[19:54:37] <awallin> +1 on that then! :)
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[19:59:45] <awallin> if someone can make the Submakefile-magic produce man-pages and html from asciidoc that would ease doc-writing a lot
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[20:14:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i like our html & pdf docs, but i also like having manpages. It's often the first thing i reach for when i need a refresher for something i almost remember
[20:16:45] <awallin> it seems asciidoc can work as the source for all three: html, pdf, man(troff)
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[20:17:24] <andypugh> Why are nested comments a problem in G-code?
[20:18:03] <andypugh> A guy on the forum has a Cambam file which LinuxCNC won't run, as it starts off:
[20:18:04] <andypugh> ( 120512 FCP cambam (11) (1) 12/5/2012 11:06:00 AM )
[20:18:13] * seb_kuzminsky likes asciidoc
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[20:23:20] <jepler> andypugh: as far as I can see it has always been that way
[20:23:50] <jepler> it seems to me that if you allow "(" inside a comment that started with "(" you end up with at least some code having multiple interpretations depending how you define what ends a comment
[20:23:54] <andypugh> Is it logical? (Does it mean that the parser only needs to look for a closing bracket, rather than keep a count?)
[20:23:55] <jepler> (()G0X0Y0Z0;)
[20:24:24] <jepler> if "(" in a comment is ignored and ")" ends the comment, then you issue a traverse for this line
[20:24:35] <jepler> on the other hand, if they nest then the whole line is a comment
[20:24:48] <jepler> happily, "((" has always been illegal
[20:24:57] <andypugh> Does G-code actually allow a comment before a command in a block?
[20:25:26] <andypugh> Is (Just to confuse the operator) G0 X0 valid G-code?
[20:25:34] <jepler> READ => () X0 () Y0 () Z0 () G0 ()
[20:25:34] <jepler> 6 N..... STRAIGHT_TRAVERSE(0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000, 0.0000)
[20:26:09] <jepler> yup
[20:26:31] <jepler> hm, I didn't expect this to be forbidden: ;((
[20:26:51] <jepler> or for that matter: ;(
[20:28:54] <andypugh> No smilies in G-code?
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[20:32:53] <jepler> incidentally, I'd argue that (()G0X0;) should issue the traverse, just like in C++ this is defined to be a call to f(): /* /* */ f() // */
[20:35:17] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03tissf 05v2.5_branch 12715d1 06emc2 10docs/src/hal/comp_fr.txt 10docs/src/hal/components_fr.txt 10src/po/fr.po * French doc. update to follow Anders: organize components into subsections
[20:48:33] <jepler> fwiw
http://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/0001-rs274-Allow-nested-comments-and-unbalanced-after.patch
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[20:49:10] <jepler> though obviously I've screwed something up because the runtests get a bunch of failures
[20:49:17] <jepler> - N..... COMMENT("z = end of drive line")
[20:49:17] <jepler> + N..... COMMENT("z = end of drive linet")
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[20:53:21] <jepler> aha. updated.
[20:54:02] <jepler> so after this patch, comments are defined as starting at ";" and going to the end of the line; or starting with "(" and nesting, so that "(a(b)c)" is a comment
[20:57:18] <jepler> also an interesting discovery: (a) (b) only gets one COMMENT call
[20:57:45] <jepler> COMMENT("b") to be specific
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[22:14:43] <andypugh> Sorry, I was away working on an actual machine :-)
[22:17:27] <andypugh> I am not sure what the correct behaviour is, really. If RS274 says that a comment begins with ( and ends with ) then that's that, and ( foo (bar )) is a comment consisting of "foo ( bar". However I doubt anyone would really read it that way, and clearly the writers of CamBam see things differently.
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[23:40:04] <cradek> as the one who had to figure out what ; ought to do, this discussion makes me smile
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[23:43:25] <cradek> jthornton: weren't you in TN somewhere?
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