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[08:54:23] <alex_joni> mhaberler: hi
[08:54:37] <mhaberler> servus!
[08:54:39] <alex_joni> did you consider an IPIPE patch to run rtai on the RPi?
[08:54:41] <alex_joni> http://download.gna.org/adeos/patches/v3.x/arm/
[08:54:46] <mhaberler> no
[08:54:52] <alex_joni> there's a patch for 3.2.21
[08:55:15] <alex_joni> maybe it can be convinced to run lcnc as it is
[08:55:19] <mhaberler> I have zero clue about building RTAI (and I hope that remains so ;)
[08:55:31] <mhaberler> who does the kernel builds, and how?
[08:56:03] <mhaberler> oh I see, rpi.. need to see what the timer does
[08:56:44] <alex_joni> building rtai is basicly a make menuconfig, make && make install
[08:56:53] <alex_joni> unless you build a deb, then it's even easier
[08:57:03] <mhaberler> so where's that documented?
[08:57:36] <alex_joni> rtai.org I guess
[08:57:39] <alex_joni> but badly :)
[08:57:53] <alex_joni> there are some older docs on wiki.linuxcnc
[08:58:32] <mhaberler> this 'documenting on the wiki' nonsense has to be stopped, it is by definition outdated - key stuff needs to go into the manual so it is carried forward
[08:58:51] <alex_joni> well, this rtai stuff documented is nonsense too
[08:58:54] <mhaberler> see
[08:59:15] <alex_joni> by the time you document it, it's outdated ;)
[08:59:31] <alex_joni> but really.. there's not much to document
[08:59:45] <alex_joni> it's like documenting compiling <insert package name>
[08:59:58] <mhaberler> that is always the case, but folks maintain manuals, they do NOT maintain wikis in the general case, so its a great recipe for producing legacy
[08:59:59] <alex_joni> the defaults are mostly ok
[09:00:21] <mhaberler> I would prefer not to discover the 'mostly'..
[09:01:17] <mhaberler> so what is the difference between an 'ipipe-core*' patch and an 'adeos-ipipe-*' patch? all of them? or what?
[09:02:19] <alex_joni> namechange I would bet
[09:02:37] <alex_joni> the only difference is between official 'adeos ipipe' patches and rtai patches
[09:02:41] <mhaberler> it is just kernel version difference, then I assume, to confuse the germans;)
[09:02:53] <alex_joni> most likely
[09:04:25] <alex_joni> it used to be called adeos-ipipe
[09:04:31] <mhaberler> well I have the arm toolchain built on my server, if I find a recipe to build the kernel I'll do it but since it is a core prerequisite for LinuxCNC I assume this isnt rediscovered as per release, so it must be somewhere, even if 'somewhere' is just a brain
[09:04:33] <alex_joni> but I think they changed the name to ipipe-core
[09:04:51] <alex_joni> it depends on the distro
[09:05:16] <alex_joni> do you have debs on RPi?
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[09:05:42] <mhaberler> yes, the full debian monty
[09:05:54] <mhaberler> convenient like an old shoe
[09:06:05] <mhaberler> apt-get and all
[09:06:12] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Debian_Etch_Compile_RTAI
[09:06:35] <alex_joni> or lenny which is a bit newer
[09:06:36] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Debian_Lenny_Compile_RTAI
[09:06:38] <mhaberler> there goes the next weekend
[09:06:49] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Debian_Squeeze_Compile_RTAI
[09:06:53] <psha[work]> wheee
[09:06:56] <alex_joni> even squeeze
[09:07:00] <mhaberler> the rpi stuff is wheezy based
[09:07:02] <psha[work]> and where is Debian_Wheezy_Compiler_RTAI? :)
[09:07:48] <mhaberler> this MUST go into the manual eventually, the guru factor is ridiculous
[09:07:54] <alex_joni> here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Debian_Wheezy_Linux-Rt_Compile_LinuxCNC
[09:08:07] <alex_joni> psha[work]: :P
[09:08:38] <mhaberler> RT.. well that's something to start with
[09:09:00] <alex_joni> yeah, for wheezy it's not rtai
[09:09:50] <mhaberler> I have some doubts an Rpi will ever run a decent sw stepgen
[09:10:32] <mhaberler> is that patch the 'mythical ARM RTAI port', or is there something missing?
[09:11:34] <mhaberler> oh btw.. the kernel packages on 10.04 are too outdated for a 3.x kernel buid
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[12:56:41] <alex_joni> mhaberler: hi again ;)
[12:56:48] <alex_joni> sorry.. work is crazy today
[12:56:55] <mhaberler> ahoi
[12:57:04] <alex_joni> the problem with 12.10 is that there was no rtai patch for 3.x kernels
[12:57:13] <alex_joni> cradek made one, but I tried it and failed
[12:57:59] <alex_joni> now there is an adeos patch for 3.2.21 for x86, so that might just work for ubuntu 12.04
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[12:58:18] <alex_joni> (I meant 12.04 before, not 12.10)
[13:00:17] <alex_joni> usually RTAI picks up the adeos patches, and pushes them to the repo a couple weeks/months later
[13:00:29] <alex_joni> but most of the time RTAI works with the adeos patches directly
[13:00:35] <alex_joni> (or it used to)
[13:02:43] <alex_joni> btw, I see xenomai took over the adeos patch (or the other way around), so it should be definately usable
[13:02:46] <alex_joni> http://git.xenomai.org/?p=xenomai-2.6.git;a=tree;f=ksrc/arch/x86/patches;h=512f48140aa10e69941fe72e6fb625329385a8b0;hb=HEAD
[13:04:29] <alex_joni> and for RPi this might be interesting: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=12368&p=154691
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[17:02:28] <mhaberler> alex_joni: I've been probing around in http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=infrastructure.git;a=summary and try to find the kernel tree for lucid
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[17:03:07] <mhaberler> also the release and livecd scripts are missing for 10.04 and em2.5+
[17:03:27] <mhaberler> what happens if the wrong folks in *this project* run into a bus?
[17:04:04] <mhaberler> thanks for the rpi xenomai info; unsure what to do with xenomai just yet but worth a look
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