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[00:01:24] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: commands
[00:01:24] <linuxcnc-build> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, mute, notify, source, status, stop, unmute, version, watch
[00:03:41] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: help list
[00:03:42] <linuxcnc-build> Usage: list builders - List configured builders
[00:03:56] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: list builders
[00:03:56] <linuxcnc-build> Configured builders: checkin deb-hardy-rt-binary-amd64 deb-hardy-rt-binary-i386 deb-hardy-sim-binary-amd64 deb-hardy-sim-binary-i386 deb-lucid-rt-binary-i386 deb-lucid-sim-binary-amd64 deb-lucid-sim-binary-i386 deb-precise-sim-binary-amd64 deb-precise-sim-binary-i386 docs hardy-amd64-realtime-rip hardy-amd64-sim hardy-i386-realtime-rip hardy-i386-sim
[00:03:56] <linuxcnc-build> lucid-amd64-sim lucid-i386-realtime-rip lucid-i386-sim lucid-rtai-i386-clang package-rt-hardy-source package-rt-lucid-source package-sim-hardy-source package-sim-lucid-source package-sim-precise-source precise-amd64-sim precise-amd64-sim-clang precise-i386-sim
[00:04:01] <GoSebGo> Wow
[00:04:09] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: help force
[00:04:09] <linuxcnc-build> Usage: force build [--branch=branch] [--revision=revision] [--props=prop1=val1,prop2=val2...] <which> <reason> - Force a build
[00:04:59] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: force build lucid-realtime-rip-i386
[00:05:00] <linuxcnc-build> no such builder 'lucid-realtime-rip-i386'
[00:05:21] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: force build lucid-i386-realtime-rip
[00:05:22] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 36m29s]
[00:05:22] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[00:05:45] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: Ok you do that
[00:08:55] <linuxcnc-build> build #380 of lucid-i386-realtime-rip is complete: Failure [failed compile] Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/lucid-i386-realtime-rip/builds/380
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[02:28:26] <seb_kuzminsky> hola amigos
[02:29:57] <cradek> hey
[02:30:57] <cradek> only success stories so far - an excellent sign
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[02:52:14] <seb_kuzminsky> yeah, that's great :-)
[02:52:42] <seb_kuzminsky> except for the problems you predicted, of people (like me) who failed to read the instructions ;-)
[02:52:53] <cradek> heh which one did you miss?
[02:53:09] <seb_kuzminsky> the touch-off on the default gcode in axis
[02:53:12] <cradek> I should go out to the shop and get jr on 2.5.0 now. it's been running buildbot releases forever.
[02:53:29] <seb_kuzminsky> that sounds like a responsible thing to do
[02:53:39] <cradek> what time did you get home?
[02:53:41] <seb_kuzminsky> i think i'll keep my machines on the buildbot 2.5 branch
[02:53:46] <seb_kuzminsky> ugh
[02:53:54] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm embarrassed to say
[02:54:04] <cradek> :-/
[02:54:06] <seb_kuzminsky> i took a wrong turn and drove the wrong direction for 45 minutes
[02:54:12] <cradek> oh noooo
[02:54:19] <cradek> where??
[02:54:22] <seb_kuzminsky> turns out, highway 52 intersects 76 not one time, but two :-/
[02:54:47] <seb_kuzminsky> i took 52 North(!) at fort morgan, instead of west at hudson
[02:55:02] <seb_kuzminsky> didn't figure it out until the highway dead-ended in the middle of fucking nowhere
[02:55:14] <seb_kuzminsky> oh well, home now, hale & hearty
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[02:56:14] <cradek> ugh.
[02:56:25] <cradek> I see where it dead-ends into "county road 86"
[02:57:16] <cradek> I'm glad you eventually made it.
[02:58:31] <cradek> hope you come back some time when we don't have so much work to do.
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[05:59:43] <KimK> cradek, seb_kuzminsky: Thanks to you guys for all your hard work recently.
[06:05:32] <KimK> I'll check back later
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[06:53:19] <CIA-68> 03mhaberler 07master * r18d437822cf1 10/src/emc/motion/motion.h: motion: make cfd174ad1 compile for RT
[06:53:57] <mhaberler> seb_kuzminsky: "the dog ate my homework"
[07:01:12] <mhaberler> buildbot in action - a digital cleaner station:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKqIX6sJrw&feature=related
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[09:05:20] <KimK> Anticipating the request this time, I am trying to start a torrent of the new ISO, but I'm not sure if it's working. Any torrent users who would like to check, and if it is working, help seed, it would be greatly appreciated. I'll check back later for the results (if it's not working, sorry, I'll fix it tomorrow). The torrent link can be found on this page:
http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=58c3d84f5124725969bbbc24
[09:05:21] <KimK> b1c8cad291ebbcb4
[09:05:24] <KimK> Bah!
[09:05:54] <KimK> Anticipating the request this time, I am trying to start a torrent of the new ISO, but I'm not sure if it's working. Any torrent users who would like to check, and if it is working, help seed, it would be greatly appreciated. I'll check back later for the results (if it's not working, sorry, I'll fix it tomorrow).
[09:06:00] <KimK> The torrent link can be found on this page:
http://linuxtracker.org/index.php?page=torrent-details&id=58c3d84f5124725969bbbc24b1c8cad291ebbcb4
[09:20:19] <awallin_> wouldn't the 64-bit one be the preferred one on modern hardware?
[09:20:35] <awallin_> I just added that torrent and I don't see any peers/seeds yet..
[09:22:02] <KimK> awallin_: Thanks for checking, I may have done something wrong. Still looking.
[09:24:34] <KimK> I'm getting "OK (dht:)" here. but the webpage info hash does not match my torrent file hash. I'm not sure if that matters or not.
[09:25:22] <awallin_> linuxtracker.org says 1 peer 5 minutes ago, asking for more peers in 14mins... I can keep it on now for 5-6hours and see what happens
[09:29:23] <KimK> OK, thanks, that would be great. Maybe I have to have a peer try to connect before anything will happen? I don't have the recommended torrent holes in the firewall here, but I am able to download and upload. But just not a bunch of torrents at once all with green smileys. I can only upload one, and it gets a blue smiley, but it does work.
[09:30:56] <KimK> This is on Vuze 4.3.0.6 (formerly Azureus)
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[13:12:39] <awallin_> KimK: the torrent is still stuck at 0% ...
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[14:04:29] <alex_joni> KimK: not working from here either
[14:04:58] <alex_joni> wonder if I can add the iso I have localy and seed?
[14:09:37] <skunkworks> logger[psha]:
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[14:10:08] <jepler> the linuxtracker.org page isn't loading for me at all
[14:15:10] <skunkworks> wait - someone made a 2.5 version of the livecd?
[14:15:24] <cradek> dude, read the mailing list
[14:15:41] <skunkworks> Jeeze. I did - and I said there wasn't one... ;)
[14:20:05] <jepler> fwiw the torrent isn't working for me either -- linuxtracker.org did eventually load, though.
[14:20:15] <jepler> 0 peers means it won't work
[14:20:47] <skunkworks> huh - I guess I missed a section of that conversation..
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[14:27:59] <awallin_> I downloaded the iso from the web, pointed my 0% torrent in transmission at the file, and clicked verify local data. now it says seeding...
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[19:15:39] <cradek> araisrobo's master branch doesn't build for me.
[19:16:23] <jthornton> the documentation page still has the 2.4.x docs for
http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/
[19:16:44] <jthornton> I don't have the ways and means to change that
[19:16:59] <cradek> alex_joni?
[19:17:10] <jthornton> yea, he might know how
[19:18:01] <jthornton> it might be something that has to be done on the linuxcnc.org computer
[19:20:08] <skunkworks> cradek: that sucks.
[19:20:27] <skunkworks> is it the usb stuff?
[19:23:12] <cradek> wou_stepgen and wou_sim
[19:23:27] <cradek> some files seem to be missing?
[19:24:13] <mhaberler> cradek: see the wiki page
[19:24:51] <mhaberler> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ArtekBranch
[19:25:22] <mhaberler> this worked for me
[19:25:33] <cradek> ah ok
[19:25:41] <cradek> I'm going to try to disable those two modules instead, since I don't care about them
[19:25:44] <cradek> thanks
[19:25:49] <mhaberler> this will not work
[19:25:55] <mhaberler> they are sim anyway
[19:26:23] <mhaberler> these steps create a sim config, no artek hardware needed
[19:26:24] <cradek> is it necessary to have the queueing wou devices to use their planner?
[19:26:40] <mhaberler> the hal config assumes them
[19:27:02] <mhaberler> I assume one could do without
[19:27:21] <mhaberler> I guess we need to get Yshin wired up on irc
[19:28:49] <cradek> hm sim/axis won't start, hal errors
[19:29:45] <mhaberler> sure you did the ftdi and wou libs install?
[19:29:49] <mhaberler> ldconfig too
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[19:30:37] <cradek> I'm trying to get sim/axis to run and not use those
[19:31:17] <mhaberler> I dont have more experience to contribute than the wiki page on it
[19:31:36] <cradek> aha, it comes up
[19:31:42] <cradek> f1 and f2 don't work...?
[19:32:09] <cradek> few keyboard shortcuts work
[19:33:06] <skunkworks> It would be cool to see torch run...
[19:33:08] <cradek> jogging doesn't work
[19:33:32] <cradek> I'll play more later, maybe start by following the instructions
[19:40:33] <skunkworks> that is exciting..
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[19:59:38] <jepler> at what point do you suppose we should drop the links to previous linuxcnc versions? It goes back to 2.0.x now..
[20:03:04] <jepler> anyway,
http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/ now is the 2.5 documentation, and the page
http://linuxcnc.org/docview/ links to 2.5 first before other versions
[20:11:15] <JT-Shop> thanks jepler
[20:11:21] <jepler> sure
[20:11:52] <JT-Shop> I can remove the other link to 2.5 docs
[20:13:15] <JT-Shop> done
[20:14:16] <JT-Shop> should the Download page have a link to upgrading from 2.4?
[20:20:00] <cradek> thanks guys!
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[20:49:53] <cradek> JT-Shop: it's right there on the left under NEWS, but if you want it in a second place it's no harm
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[21:04:42] <JT-Shop> ok
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[21:16:19] <JT-Shop> yea, I completly missed that
[21:27:40] <JT-Shop> this look ok?
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/download
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[22:40:02] <jepler> someone sent me this photo of the new foam mode that's now in master:
http://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/EMC_Foamblade_2.png
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[22:46:12] <alex_joni> cool
[22:46:51] <KimK> Nice! And interesting how the axisui had to be modified to have the green & blue lines/curves show the "tool travel" (instead of the red lines), and now the red lines show
[22:46:54] <KimK> oops
[22:47:33] <KimK> Nice! And interesting how the axisui had to be modified to have the green & blue lines/curves show the "tool travel(s)" (instead of the red lines), and now the red lines show the wire positions "traveling"(?)
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[22:50:57] <alex_joni> KimK: the red is always the tooltip path
[22:51:11] <alex_joni> until now it was a single point drawing the path
[22:51:24] <alex_joni> for foam cutting it's a line (determined by the two cones)
[22:53:21] <micges> hi alex_joni
[22:55:49] <JT-Shop> cool
[22:56:06] <KimK> Is there any built-in (software) limitation on the maximum angle? Or can it (theoretically) go to +/-89.99999? I've not worked on a foam cutter. With wire EDM, something like +/-15 deg is almost required, +/-30 deg is nice, +/-45 deg is impressive. This is due mostly to mechanical considerations/limitations, though.
[23:00:31] <KimK> s/With wire EDM/With 4-axis wire EDM/
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[23:06:31] <KimK> awallin, alex_joni, jepler: BTW, thanks for your help on the torrent. It appears I cannot start a torrent from behind the firewall, but once it is running (thanks to awallin and others kick-start) I can join in. I am now able to help seed one torrent (smiley yellow, not green, as usual here). And download as many as I want (with blue smileys, not green). So thanks again to all!
[23:08:38] <KimK> I currently see 4 seeds and two leechers, thanks for the help. I'll post messages to #linuxcnc and the users list.
[23:22:02] <jepler> with this foam setup XY and UV are commanded; nothing besides the axis limits is constraining them or the "angle" of the line between the XY part of the plot and the UV part of the plot.
[23:22:57] <JT-Shop> is XY on one end and UV on the other end?
[23:24:46] <jepler> in the preview plot, green is XY and blue is UV. in the live plot, red lines are drawn between corresponding xy and uv positions
[23:25:01] <jepler> I'm not sure if that explanation makes sense or not
[23:25:24] <jepler> there's some magic comment in the source that sets the distance between the XY and UV planes
[23:25:33] <JT-Shop> yes it does make sense
[23:27:16] <JT-Shop> I would have assumed the distance between the two planes was a fixed distance based on the machine design
[23:28:14] <alex_joni> hi micges
[23:29:03] <JT-Shop> hi alex_joni
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[23:31:28] <alex_joni> hi JT-Shop
[23:31:43] * alex_joni is close to calling it a night
[23:32:33] <KimK> I agree, in an EDM machine it is likely to be a fixed distance. But in a foam cutter, it might be a fixed-but-adjustable distance. (Adjustable once, before cutting begins.)
[23:33:04] <alex_joni> I've seen machines where the wire is adjustable even during the cut
[23:33:13] <alex_joni> (and it has to, to some degree)
[23:34:24] <KimK> Interesting, thanks. Pictures?
[23:34:54] <alex_joni> I'
[23:34:58] <micges> jepler: alex_joni: I'm thinking about merging ja3 into master
[23:35:01] <alex_joni> I'm talking about wire length
[23:35:30] <alex_joni> micges: weeell, my input is not that relevant I fear
[23:36:08] <KimK> Speaking of pictures, in looking at the earlier pic, I just noticed that the UV axis pair could use a "max-travel-info" display too?
[23:37:09] <micges> unified jogging and most of joints/axes separation is done
[23:37:46] <micges> only joints constraints during teleop/coord moves missing
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[23:41:04] <alex_joni> what about vel/accel limits for trivkins?
[23:41:16] <alex_joni> does that work as it is currently in master?
[23:41:44] <micges> yes
[23:42:40] <micges> if you want ja3 configs to work like in master you must add about 10-20 lines of ini file that's all
[23:43:03] <micges> err master config to work in ja3
[23:46:05] <alex_joni> well, that can always get improved lateron
[23:46:14] <micges> yes
[23:46:52] <alex_joni> ok.. so advantages: finally fix joints/axes separation properly,
[23:47:07] <alex_joni> allow nontrivkin machines to work better
[23:47:10] <alex_joni> even gantries
[23:47:25] <alex_joni> cons: config changes
[23:48:11] <micges> yeah it will break ALL configs
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[23:49:06] <micges> but we can create code to update it like Jepler made for tooltable
[23:50:07] <alex_joni> just to state my impression: I'm surely in favor of the merge
[23:50:10] <alex_joni> but..
[23:50:32] <alex_joni> I haven't done any coding in a long while, and I don't see any improvement to that :(
[23:51:05] <alex_joni> so I don't really feel qualified to argue about it
[23:51:17] <micges> ok
[23:51:35] <alex_joni> also I'm not sure if it won't conflict with yishin's work
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[23:52:59] <micges> such as?
[23:55:23] <micges> I'll better ask yishin :)
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[23:57:08] <alex_joni> the jerk stuff
[23:57:22] <alex_joni> that's all tp/tc, not sure if it conflicts or not
[23:57:31] <alex_joni> (if we want to merge it later into master too)
[23:58:54] <micges> yeah but their all work is based on ja3 (quite old one)
[23:59:18] <micges> so if they want to include this they must branch from ja3
[23:59:29] <micges> if we merge ja3 into master before it
[23:59:52] <micges> they can simply branch from master then
