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[00:25:12] <KimK_ibmlaptop> cradek: OK, I kept both, and the wiki "git" edit is done. I tried to update/freshen all the examples (unless a specific commit number was involved, then I left it alone). There is still a reference to the emc-developers mailing list, which I did not change.
[00:25:25] <KimK_ibmlaptop> Also, note to jepler: I changed "git pull git://git.unpythonic.net/emc2-ignores.git master" to "git pull git://git.unpythonic.net/linuxcnc-ignores.git master". Maybe this was unnecessary, but I did it anyway.
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[01:22:21] <dgarr> cradek: , seb thanks for all the work on the new release!
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[01:39:17] <KimK> dgarr: Thanks to you too, I think I saw your name on a few fixes.
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[10:03:42] <mhaberler> motion id zero: can somebody help me across the street: what does this really mean? The zero motion? end of queue?
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[11:37:10] <CIA-68> 03mhaberler 07master * re4cda806f0f7 10/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/linuxcnctop.py: linuxcnctop.py: remove reference to linuxcnc.EXEC_WAITING_FOR_PAUSE
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[12:29:01] <CIA-68> 03tissf 07v2.5_branch * r3db7c4c6b7dc 10/docs/src/common/Updating_linuxcnc_fr.txt: French doc: minor update
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[13:29:04] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=38&id=18921#18921
[13:29:39] <JT-Shop> anyone have the key to the mailing list, can they check this out?
[13:41:18] <awallin_> that echo-problem might be specific to gmail?
[13:45:51] <cradek> I have always received my own posts
[13:46:53] <cradek> > Ordinarily, you will get a copy of every message you post to the list. If you don't want to receive this copy, set this option to No.
[13:47:03] <cradek> it is a subscription option
[13:47:29] <cradek> the guess about branding is wrong; we have not done anything to change the list names yet
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[13:52:36] <awallin_> gmail will by default not show messages sent to a list, it will only show in the sent box. (unless there is a reply to the message sent out, then it will show)..
[13:54:47] <cradek> that seems very strange to me.
[13:55:23] <cradek> (but I am not a gmail user, so a lot of it may seem strange to me)
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[14:14:49] <awallin_> it "avoids clutter" according to google...
[14:15:13] <cradek> how does it tell? it checks From: for the user's own address?
[14:16:15] <awallin_> not sure, if the content is similar enough it figures the sent/received are identical I guess
[14:16:59] <cradek> huh, I think people send themselves email all the time. seems like this behavior would be surprising.
[14:20:27] <awallin_> here http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=6588&topic=1668979&ctx=topic
[14:34:55] <cradek> thanks for finding that
[14:35:09] <cradek> perhaps someone can post it in the webbbs thread.
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[16:26:05] <CIA-68> 03cradek 07master * rce1994e26311 10/ (94 files in 18 dirs): Merge branch 'v2.5_branch'
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[16:44:11] <JT-Shop> more info on the mailing list problem "For some reason they were going to my system administrator like the email address was incorrect, eventhough the email address looks correct."
[16:44:49] <cradek> hope the sysadmin can help
[16:45:01] <JT-Shop> yea, me too
[16:45:02] <cradek> the mailing list works fine
[16:45:47] <JT-Shop> yea, works for me too
[16:46:50] * skunkworks should go see if 2.5 installed will run the K&T
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[17:50:50] <tom3p> hello, where are the MD5sums for the new iso images?
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[17:56:56] <GoSebGo> Linuxcnc-build: commands
[17:57:11] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: commands
[17:57:12] <linuxcnc-build> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, mute, notify, source, status, stop, unmute, version, watch
[17:57:20] <cradek> tom3p: it's right on the page with the download link
[17:57:49] <cradek> in the same sentence even!
[17:57:52] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: help force
[17:57:52] <linuxcnc-build> Usage: force build [--branch=branch] [--revision=revision] [--props=prop1=val1,prop2=val2...] <which> <reason> - Force a build
[17:58:34] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=master checkin
[17:58:40] <linuxcnc-build> The build has been queued, I'll give a shout when it starts
[17:59:17] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: help watch
[17:59:18] <linuxcnc-build> Usage: watch <which> - announce the completion of an active build
[17:59:35] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: watch checkin
[17:59:35] <linuxcnc-build> watching build checkin #376 until it finishes [13m55s]..
[17:59:57] <cradek> GoSebGo: the hardy path that got 404'd works now
[18:00:45] <GoSebGo> Great :-)
[18:01:07] <cradek> think we should remove the 'name change?' part of #linuxcnc topic yet?
[18:01:55] <tom3p> cradek, thanks, the download link i got was from the morning's email "http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc2-i386.iso" no possibility of a sentence
[18:02:35] <cradek> oh ok, I assumed you went to the website.
[18:04:34] <tom3p> no, still looking for the link described, the email had no such link but obviously someone found it, and many tried, without offending can i get the link?
[18:05:15] <cradek> linuxcnc.org, click download, click "basic installation from one of the linuxcnc live cds"
[18:05:24] <cradek> link to the cd and the md5sum is there
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[18:05:32] <tom3p> thanks, and again thanks for all the work
[18:05:40] <cradek> welcome!
[18:08:04] <tom3p> got it ,saw it before, wasnt sure if that was new or old csum, i see its the '2' vrsn , all done
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[18:15:15] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build checkin #376 is complete: Success [build successful]
[18:15:16] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/376
[18:15:16] <linuxcnc-build> build forced [ETA 1h12m58s]
[18:15:16] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
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[18:19:07] <GoSebGo> I saw keep the name change a bit longer
[18:19:28] <GoSebGo> Hm, and maybe add a News item to the website?
[18:19:50] <GoSebGo> s/saw/say/
[18:19:53] <JT-Shop> about the name chane?
[18:20:06] <GoSebGo> Yeah
[18:29:45] <JT-Shop> can you install the pure simulator using the Synaptic Package Manager?
[18:30:01] <JT-Shop> I'd think the name change is News worthy
[18:32:12] <cradek> JT-Shop: yes you just point to linuxcnc2.5-sim instead of linuxcnc2.5
[18:32:25] <JT-Shop> ok, thanks
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[19:57:44] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build checkin #377 is complete: Success [build successful]
[19:57:45] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/377
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[20:22:18] <mhaberler> does G61 completely turn off blending?
[20:23:24] <cradek> yes
[20:23:31] <mhaberler> thanks
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[20:26:13] <mhaberler> I'm chasing this 'motion id zero' anomaly and it seems it has to do with tp id's
[20:27:21] <cradek> what anomaly?
[20:27:52] <cradek> since line numbers start at 1, I bet 0 is an invalid motion id
[20:27:56] <mhaberler> you can queue any motion id to motion, even 0 (I'm talking moves only)
[20:28:06] <mhaberler> if you queue a second id 0, motion hangs
[20:28:26] <mhaberler> not sure about the hang.. motion stops, no further ones accepted
[20:28:37] <mhaberler> Im processed
[20:28:51] <mhaberler> the line number is a ui concept..
[20:29:28] <mhaberler> that anomaly brought us a negative mdi line numbers, and lots of cascaded restrictions
[20:30:30] <mhaberler> the interesting thing is if I offset tp->nextId by some value, everything's fine
[20:30:31] <cradek> looking at tp.c, sending a 0 motion id will surely break waiting for atspeed, waiting for index, maybe more
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[20:31:01] <cradek> maybe I don't understand what you are saying is mysterious
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[20:31:28] <mhaberler> no, you're spot on
[20:31:59] <mhaberler> see for instance http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb/emc2-dev.git/commit/314f3aa2d90e5ec1f7840166f3e0ad11a9fbc0a6
[20:32:25] <mhaberler> the previous code made motion id go through zero (post -1) and stop
[20:32:35] <cradek> eww
[20:33:01] <cradek> mdi-O-call is broken then
[20:33:12] <mhaberler> consequence: pseudoMdiLinenumber starts at MIN_INT
[20:33:35] <mhaberler> next consequence MDI oword calls cannot be traced in UI
[20:33:38] <cradek> haha guess that fixes it unless your subroutine is awfully long
[20:33:40] <mhaberler> and so forth
[20:34:02] <mhaberler> right. It was a workaround around that anomaly
[20:34:28] <mhaberler> what puzzles me: I have a fix but I dont know why it works ;)
[20:35:05] <cradek> funny :-)
[20:36:00] <mhaberler> if one reads http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb/emc2-dev.git/blob/314f3aa2d90e5ec1f7840166f3e0ad11a9fbc0a6:/src/emc/kinematics/tp.c#l181
[20:36:12] <mhaberler> one would assume you can cook up arbitrary ID's
[20:36:45] <mhaberler> now if you change line to 'tp->nextId = id + somerandonnonzerooffset' everything's dandy
[20:37:24] <mhaberler> the gui line number coming out of emcstatus needs to be corrected back which is a !§"$!$ kludge
[20:38:30] <mhaberler> it could be the explanation is those 2 comment lines: http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb/emc2-dev.git/blob/314f3aa2d90e5ec1f7840166f3e0ad11a9fbc0a6:/src/emc/kinematics/tp.c#l72 but im not sure
[20:39:13] <mhaberler> the question re blending: when the anomaly triggers, activeDepth is one - and I dont get why because I turned off blending
[20:42:45] <mhaberler> something else occurred to me, which is semi-related to source location. I think it would be valuable to be able to disnguish end-of-program and motion queue starvation. currently you cant because upstream wont tell
[20:44:47] <cradek> I'm not sure that starvation really aborts. if so I've never seen it.
[20:45:06] <cradek> did you see it or are you trusting the comments?
[20:45:11] <mhaberler> I'm not saying it should abort, but it would be good to know
[20:45:35] <mhaberler> then you know there's an issue upstream; currently you cant tell
[20:45:54] <cradek> doesn't seem like there's anything to do about it except wait?
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[20:47:07] <mhaberler> that's fine; but for instance jepler fiddle with the taskEager variable to keep the motion q full - so there's a reason why you'd want to know - task not keeping up for instance
[20:47:22] <mhaberler> but thats a sideshow
[20:48:26] <mhaberler> the interesting q is: why does it stop, and I'm unable to figure; I'm sure that id interpretation is the issue and atspeed, waiting for index is worth a look
[20:48:26] <cradek> long ago we had bad starvation problems and people would get stuttering motion and mistake it for poor blending
[20:48:38] <mhaberler> right
[20:48:48] <cradek> that hasn't been there for years, task improvements and faster machines both helped fix it I bet
[20:49:18] <cradek> did you break on tpRunCycle after it stops, and step through? it ought to be obvious.
[20:49:39] <mhaberler> a) yes b) not to me ;-)
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[20:50:45] <mhaberler> just to understand it: motion q = commands like cirle, line etc; tp queue: samples along these
[20:51:02] <cradek> did you fix waiting_for_index and waiting_for_atspeed to tolerate 0 ids?
[20:51:28] <mhaberler> oh my. of course. it is waiting for an index..
[20:51:34] <mhaberler> DARN
[20:51:50] <cradek> ?
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[20:52:39] <mhaberler> that is to read: I'm pretty sure you're right
[20:53:44] <mhaberler> let me investigate this.. but symptoms look like that could be it
[20:53:59] <mhaberler> (says the mah coder bowels)
[20:54:12] <cradek> heh
[20:57:34] <mhaberler> I'm unsure whether waiting_for_atspeed and waiting_for_index are to boolean, or denote a motion id which should match
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[21:00:00] <mhaberler> for instance tp.c:780 hints its an id match, not a bool
[21:00:18] <mhaberler> also assumes non-zero id to test at all
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[21:02:34] <mhaberler> I'm pretty sure those would be id matches, so one would have to define an invalid id (not zero) and init to those vars to the invalid id
[21:02:46] <mhaberler> then test for valid id, then equality
[21:02:50] <mhaberler> that could work
[21:03:47] <mhaberler> but then I wouldnt pick 0 as invalid but probably MIN_INT
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[21:04:22] <mhaberler> ok, I guess I will try based on the assumption those are id matches, and see what the fallout is
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[21:12:38] <cradek> GoSebGo: yay all 2.5 work is now on tape, instead of being just on my terrible SSD
[21:13:11] <GoSebGo> Nice!
[21:13:18] <GoSebGo> I have tape envy
[21:14:24] <cradek> you'll get it more over time, the more SSDs you try to use
[21:15:30] <cradek> GoSebGo: also it keeps the basement warm in winter. top that!
[21:15:30] <skunkworks_> backup?
[21:15:35] <cradek> yeah
[21:16:27] <GoSebGo> The only ssd i have is in my phone
[21:17:36] <skunkworks_> I drool on them from time to time... but still have not made the purchase...
[21:18:18] <cradek> GoSebGo: you're smarter than I am then! I finally gave in and bought one.
[21:18:39] <GoSebGo> They're no good for applications where you have to write more than rarely
[21:19:29] <GoSebGo> cradek: but you have good backup hygiene... Let's call it a draw
[21:19:30] <cradek> even if you leave a big chunk unformatted? (I don't understand them but someone smart told me that would help a lot)
[21:20:07] <skunkworks_> for bad sectors?
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[21:24:58] <cradek> no, having some "clean" blocks lets it erase by simply writing a new block instead of requiring read-modify-erase-write (I think)
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[21:25:19] <cradek> the internet tried to explain it to me but I'm not sure it succeeded.
[21:25:49] <mhaberler> cradek: I think we nailed it: a queue of motions with all id=0 properly processed, mdi or not. it was an id match. I need to cleanroom this off master but I think that was it
[21:25:55] <cradek> OS/2 is 25 years old today
[21:26:14] <cradek> mhaberler: yay!
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[21:27:19] <mhaberler> this will enable some serious cleanups
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[22:14:28] <mhaberler> ok, here it is cleaned up. http://git.mah.priv.at/gitweb/emc2-dev.git/shortlog/refs/heads/fix-motion-id-zero
[22:14:46] <mhaberler> the first commit shows the issue; the second fixes it
[22:15:00] <mhaberler> can I ask you to review that?
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[22:26:51] <mhaberler> cradek: guess what: I killed pseudMdiLineNumber and Axis feedback of the MDI oword sub calls start making sense (only if you load the sub file which you're going to call in MDI, but that is easy to fix)!
[22:29:21] <cradek> can you give me the big picture about what you are trying to fix? as you said you probably broke stepping - I am not sure what you want from my review
[22:30:47] <cradek> the second commit looks good; is the first one just for testing it?
[22:31:04] <mhaberler> only the last commit
[22:31:17] <cradek> oh ok
[22:31:23] <mhaberler> the first one is just to tickle the issue, the second will go in
[22:31:29] <cradek> understood
[22:32:12] <mhaberler> suddenly mdi oword subs will show proper 'current line' in Axis ;)
[22:32:22] <mhaberler> sub calls
[22:32:40] <cradek> suggest ... ((x) != MOTION_INVALID_ID)
[22:32:46] <mhaberler> ok
[22:35:00] <cradek> I wonder if AXIS (and touchy) are fast enough that you could just load the relevant file when it changes. obviously you can't regenerate the preview but you could maybe display the text of the file.
[22:35:10] <cradek> is that your goal?
[22:35:21] <mhaberler> among a few others, yes
[22:35:54] <mhaberler> we need 'current source context' type information (file, mdi, which sub etc)
[22:36:14] <mhaberler> in particular for gui feedback and error msgs
[22:36:24] <mhaberler> that was a step along that path
[22:36:37] <mhaberler> no magic ids
[22:37:38] <mhaberler> I am sure that loading files in the gui wont be an issue - btw the preview interp loads them anyway
[22:37:47] <mhaberler> just doesnt display them
[22:38:09] <mhaberler> and they are loaded before the run starts
[22:40:22] <cradek> have to run, bbl
[22:40:35] <mhaberler> cu, and thanks!
[22:44:02] <CIA-68> 03mhaberler 07master * rcfd174ad104f 10/src/emc/ (kinematics/tp.c motion/motion.h): motion,tp: dont treat motion id zero special
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[23:20:37] <cradek> GoSebGo: can it tell the channel when a build fails?
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[23:45:48] <GoSebGo> I zink zo
[23:46:09] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: help notify
[23:46:10] <linuxcnc-build> Usage: notify on|off|list [<EVENT>] ... - Notify me about build events. event should be one or more of: 'started', 'finished', 'failure', 'success', 'exception' or 'xToY' (where x and Y are one of success, warnings, failure, exception, but Y is capitalized)
[23:46:38] <GoSebGo> linuxcnc-build: notify on failure
[23:46:38] <linuxcnc-build> The following events are being notified: ['failure']
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