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[19:22:59] <mhaberler> hey Chris -- great job, congratulations!
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[20:26:38] <cradek> thanks!
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[20:35:24] <alex_joni> cradek: let me know when the new LiveCD is up, so I can mirror it
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[20:58:39] <jepler> thank you cradek!
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[21:18:28] <KimK_ibmlaptop> Congratulations to all on the 2.5.0 release! (I trust this is not an April Fool?) Anyway, I see that the wiki says the dir "emc2" should be renamed/moved to "linuxcnc". What about the git dir "emc2-dev"? Should that be renamed/moved to "linuxcnc-dev"? Or would git object to that?
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[21:24:18] <KimK_ibmlaptop> I couldn't resist, I tried it and it didn't seem to object to the rename. I'll leave it that way and hope it doesn't cause any trouble.
[21:37:31] <KimK_ibmlaptop> After upgrading, I did a search in Synaptic for "emc2", and got two hits: one in the now empty(?) package "emc2" which apparently does not remove itself(?) and one in "hostmot2-firmware-all" where "EMC2" appears in the description text.
[21:45:20] <cradek> alex_joni: it's done
[21:46:21] <cradek> jepler: welcome! be aware if you have any automation for 2.4 releases, I probably broke it, as I merged all the screwy apt repos on l.o into one.
[21:47:24] <KimK_ibmlaptop> Ah, I see, the empty emc2 package was left so that it wouldn't delete the configuration files? But now that I have renamed ~/emc2 to ~/linuxcnc I should be OK to check "Remove Completely (including configuration files)", right? (I'll hold off on this for awhile, just in case).
[21:47:25] <cradek> KimK_ibmlaptop: with this kind of upgrade, apt "removes" but doesn't "purge" the old package. this doesn't hurt anything.
[21:47:40] <cradek> yes you can sure purge emc2 if you want
[21:47:55] <KimK_ibmlaptop> cradek: OK, thanks. And congratulations!
[21:48:01] <cradek> alex_joni: my new one is the -linuxcnc2
[21:48:31] <cradek> alex_joni, jepler: also I moved all the isos into www.linuxcnc.org/iso (they were weirdly inside the various apt repos)
[21:49:00] <cradek> alex_joni, jepler: also the linuxcnc-install.sh scripts are now in the infrastructure git
[21:50:55] <alex_joni> cool
[21:51:11] * alex_joni looks in there
[21:51:46] <alex_joni> we should probably add the lucid kernel config
[21:51:52] <alex_joni> I see the last one added was hardy
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[21:55:17] <KimK_ibmlaptop> I just accidentally stumbled across the empty directory ~/linuxcnc-dev/share/emc/
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[21:59:59] <alex_joni> cradek: whee that's a fast download
[22:00:04] <alex_joni> just started it
[22:00:30] <cradek> KimK_ibmlaptop: there are some directories and source files still named emc; this isn't important
[22:00:51] <cradek> KimK_ibmlaptop: the changes that are important are user-facing "branding"
[22:01:09] <KimK_ibmlaptop> cradek: OK.
[22:01:23] <alex_joni> cradek: and done
[22:01:32] <alex_joni> Downloaded 693.2 megabytes in 1:35 seconds. (7445.53 KB/s)
[22:02:37] <micges> quite fast :)
[22:04:11] <alex_joni> that's on a 100Mbit machine, it was stuck at 9400 KB/s (so my guess it can go faster)
[22:05:45] <micges> not bad
[22:07:02] <micges> near university ?:)
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[22:13:20] <alex_joni> that was at the university, but at home it should work equally fast
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[22:34:48] <alex_joni> mhaberler: hi
[22:34:53] <mhaberler> servus
[22:34:55] <alex_joni> sorry I didn't get to replying to your email
[22:35:06] <alex_joni> re negative numbers for mdi
[22:35:16] <alex_joni> I think that's only done so they are easily spottable
[22:35:22] <alex_joni> and no other reason
[22:35:34] <alex_joni> they keep decrementing so they don't overlap
[22:36:42] <mhaberler> what do you mean by overlap? if you run an ngc file twice you get two identical sequences of motion ids, so I dont get thet point
[22:39:23] <mhaberler> are you implying you want different id ranges for mdi and auto - if so, what's the reason?
[22:39:54] <micges> iirc, negative mdi id's was added becaouse there were some sequention problems when ngc id's and mdi id's
[22:40:21] <mhaberler> do you have any reference to that problem?
[22:40:44] <micges> nope
[22:41:07] <alex_joni> mhaberler: this is all 10+ years ago
[22:41:22] <alex_joni> so some of the assumptions back then are probably invalid today
[22:41:48] <mhaberler> that hints that bracketing different executions could be an issue; which is why I came up with the execution serial so you dont have to mutilate the linenumber information to bracket executions
[22:43:12] <mhaberler> I would see an issue for instance when you queue auto runs (provided you could), and then pause in the first, and then say 'run to the end of this program'
[22:43:59] <mhaberler> in the current scheme you cant tell at the motion level where an execution (mdi or auto) ended, its all just some nonzero motionid
[22:44:19] <alex_joni> right
[22:44:36] <mhaberler> with an execserial you could - run until the serial changes
[22:46:06] <mhaberler> anybody remembers otoh what 'motion id zero' means? I assume it implies 'no motion available'
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[23:20:26] <skunkworks__> yay! thanks everyone
[23:23:22] <KimK_ibmlaptop> cradek: Shall I edit the wiki "git" about ~/emc2-dev vs. ~/linuxcnc-dev? And is it now instead of "...linuxcnc.org/git/emc2.git emc2-dev" to be "...linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git linuxcnc-dev" or something else? Or should I not do this edit right now?
[23:23:29] <KimK_ibmlaptop> Hi Sam
[23:26:13] <skunkworks__> Hi KimK_ibmlaptop : how are you doing? where are you? In wichita?
[23:27:01] <KimK_ibmlaptop> Yes, still here, doing OK. Likely to be here for awhile yet.
[23:27:57] <cradek> KimK_ibmlaptop: yes please make that edit, that would be great
[23:28:08] <cradek> git://git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git is fine to use now
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[23:32:18] <skunkworks__> HAL: make commanded (unaffected by spindle override) spindle speed
[23:32:20] <skunkworks__> available on a pin, for gear selection etc.
[23:32:21] <skunkworks__> Wow - Thanks for that. I have been using 2.5 so long I forgot that was a new pin.
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[23:39:35] <cradek> I also forgot some of the good new stuff, having been using it so long
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[23:55:04] <KimK_ibmlaptop> cradek: Still working on wiki edit. Shall I change "Check with jepler before pushing changes to v2.4_branch." to "Check with cradek before pushing changes to v2.5_branch."?
[23:55:26] <KimK_ibmlaptop> Or add and keep both?
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[23:57:52] <cradek> both are keepers
[23:58:37] <cradek> er, I mean add/keep