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[14:32:08] <mozmck> Looks like tuxcnc is trashing his own topic to me...
[14:36:00] <cradek> seb is right that it sounds very fishy that he's moving libraries around outside of apt
[14:36:42] <cradek> a mix of 32 and 64 bit libraries to make it worse
[14:36:59] <cradek> and you're right that he's being kind of hard to help :-)
[14:37:19] <cradek> brb!
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[15:34:11] <mhaberler> do not trash this topic! ;-)
[15:34:32] <cradek> /topic Do not trash this topic!
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[15:35:25] <JT-Shop> !trash topic
[15:36:37] <mhaberler> Again!
[15:36:52] <archivist> which what where!
[15:37:18] <mhaberler> There! he's trashing it *again*!
[15:37:28] <alex_joni> ~trash|topic
[15:37:51] <alex_joni> now you said it!
[15:39:16] <alex_joni> and we need a shrubbery
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[15:42:13] <alex_joni> there he is
[15:42:16] <alex_joni> the trasher!
[15:42:47] <seb_kuzminsky> heh
[15:43:10] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe if someone *else* asks for debug output he'll provide it? i've asked like 3 times now
[15:43:20] * seb_kuzminsky shrugs
[15:43:21] <cradek> I would not bet much on that
[15:44:06] <seb_kuzminsky> oh well, nmfp
[15:44:13] <mhaberler> http://andyskinstad.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/larson1.jpg
[15:44:18] <seb_kuzminsky> off to work, which *is* mfp
[15:45:08] <alex_joni> seb_kuzminsky: see ya
[15:45:16] <alex_joni> I just asked fwiw :)
[15:45:51] <GoSebGo> Thanks alex.
[15:46:01] <alex_joni> didn't offer a shrubbery though
[15:46:49] <GoSebGo> I thought about downloading xubuntu and walking through the steps for him. But then i came to my senses and opened a beer and watched a zombie movie instead
[15:47:23] <alex_joni> sounds a lot more entartaining and usefull
[15:48:04] <cradek> that he shuffles around 32 and 64 bit libraries outside of apt makes me pretty sure he's doing something bogus, and I don't care too much what it is
[15:48:19] <cradek> he must not either, since he doesn't seem to want help troubleshooting
[15:48:29] <archivist> on a self learning course
[15:48:36] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQfGd3G6dg
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[16:00:21] <mhaberler> I thinkk seb needs advanced interrogation techniques:
http://attachments.techguy.org/attachments/144308d1231553442/gary-larson-dentist.jpg
[16:18:19] <mozmck> From "that other software" ml: "Also, the newer changes to Mach4 will finally allow me, I suspect ,to allow for things such as following an encoders output. This would allow for the printer port to be as good at threading as EMC, which can follow an encoder."
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[16:40:26] <skunkworks> mozmck: link?
[16:41:45] <mozmck> latest on the Mach list by art2 titled "Re: Tempest - OT - eyeburningly boring.."
[16:42:01] <skunkworks> oh found it
[16:42:03] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mach1mach2cnc/message/133739
[16:42:04] <skunkworks> heh
[16:43:04] <skunkworks> 'its my opinion that the freedom given me by totally rewriting it may breath
[16:43:05] <skunkworks> new life into the printer port and allow Mach4 to at least have
[16:43:07] <skunkworks> the option of a printer port.'
[16:43:09] <skunkworks> Yikes
[16:45:10] <skunkworks> mozmck: does your torch hardware work with emc2?
[16:45:15] <skunkworks> *linuxcnc
[16:46:57] <skunkworks> wow - from just that post - it seems that mach 4 is still a long ways away.
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[16:50:56] <mozmck> I have not had time to set our torch up in linuxcnc (what's emc2? :) ), but someone else just posted a setup using our LCTHC recently.
[16:51:30] <skunkworks> Oh good. there isn't anything that might be a sticky wiki is there? that you can think of?
[16:52:26] <mozmck> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?GantryPlasmaMachine
[16:52:31] <mozmck> sticky wiki?
[16:52:51] <jepler> he means
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sticky_wicket
[16:52:58] <jepler> "Sticky wicket (or sticky dog, or glue pot) is a metaphor used to describe a difficult circumstance; it originates from difficult circumstances in the sport of cricket."
[16:53:09] <jepler> by the way, hi mozmck
[16:53:26] <mozmck> Hi jepler!
[16:53:44] <cradek> my brother sent me this yesterday:
http://explosm.net/db/files/Comics/guest6/CRW_jay_a_reaction.png
[16:54:15] <mozmck> I see. I don't really know, but I might can give some help on it.
[16:54:42] <mozmck> Pretty busy writing firmware for new stuff right now.
[16:55:40] <cradek> The requirments of 64 bit computers and Win8 ( neither of which can run the
[16:55:43] <cradek> current driver also need lookign into
[16:55:54] <cradek> ^ (here's the key in that post)
[16:58:35] <skunkworks> cradek: heh - I resemble that strip
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[17:08:15] <cradek> skunkworks: I didn't want to point any fingers...
[17:16:21] <cradek> GoSebGo, alex_joni: I told you so :-)
[17:17:04] <GoSebGo> Yep you called it
[17:18:48] <alex_joni> yup
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[17:29:42] <archivist> I just caught up with the trashed topic thread :), is there a debugging for noobs he could be pointed at
[17:31:16] <cradek> he oughta run the three commands seb and alex suggested, and post the results
[17:31:22] <archivist> the process of fault finding seems to fly over some peoples heads
[17:31:48] <cradek> if he doesn't want to do that, his goal is something other than working with us and getting his problem fixed, and I'm not interested in what it is exactly
[17:32:17] <archivist> Ive seen the blindness he shows multiple times
[17:33:52] <cradek> he shows signs of doing bogus things to his system, and also signs of not being aware that he might not always be 100% correct about everything :-/
[17:34:59] <archivist> the preconceived I know the fault complain about others syndrome...never looking in the mirror
[17:35:59] <GoSebGo> I've got the smack down
[17:36:10] <archivist> andypugh++
[17:36:27] <GoSebGo> Oops unless andy beats me to it
[17:37:35] <micges> he is always that 'I know everything' way
[17:38:16] <cradek> alex_joni: your phone is adding advertising to your messages
[17:38:18] <micges> here in Poland we have same problems with him on forums :P
[17:38:36] <GoSebGo> Crikey, compiling linuxcnc in 512 mb ram sucks
[17:38:45] <GoSebGo> Interpmodule is huge
[17:38:59] <cradek> micges: good to know it's not a language issue
[17:39:20] <archivist> its a classic Dunning Kruger
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/01/18/MN73840.DTL
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[18:02:36] <GoSebGo> Wow archivist, that's a depressing article
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[18:06:16] <GoSebGo> From tfa: And faced with incompetence,social norms prevent most people from blurting out ``You stink!'' -- truthful though this assessment may be.
[18:06:40] <cradek> well there's our fix right there, clear as day
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[18:26:19] <GoSebGo> Is there any connection between this tuxcnc guy and tuxcnc.org, paul_c's old (abandoned?) project?
[18:32:48] <archivist> that told him :)
[18:37:13] <GoSebGo> Xubuntu looks pretty nice, like the good old days, it might be good for folks who dont like unity in the regular ubuntu precise
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[19:07:32] <jepler> GoSebGo: not to my knowledge
[19:08:19] <cradek> maybe I should try it. Do you get things like a gui network manager without running a big desktop environment?
[19:08:29] <GoSebGo> Yeah, a cursory look suggests "no"
[19:09:23] <GoSebGo> Uh that reply was for jepler
[19:09:48] <GoSebGo> Cradek: yes
[19:09:53] <cradek> cool
[19:24:07] <skunkworks> I hate unity... I wonder if the next livecd should use xubuntu.. (lets vote!) ;)
[19:24:33] <skunkworks> (by default)
[19:26:18] <GoSebGo> Can't you easily switch after install?
[19:26:46] <cradek> I wouldn't bet on it
[19:27:18] <archivist> I saw a site with a list of incantations
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[19:34:16] <jthornton> I have a tiny python file M115 that runs from the terminal but will not display when M115 is issued in the MDI window, should it work?
[19:34:36] <jthornton> first line is #!/usr/bin/python
[19:37:33] <jthornton> the whole file
http://pastebin.com/0fDnZ8Su
[19:43:26] <jepler> any messages on the terminal? any messages from linuxcnc?
[19:46:54] <mozmck> my vote is with xubuntu! That's what I'll run anyhow though :)
[19:49:43] <mozmck> GoSebGo: I have install xfce and kde alongside gnome without any problems. You just select the one you want when logging in.
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[19:51:03] <mozmck> installed that is.
[19:55:57] <JT-Shop> let me run linuxcnc from a terminal and see what I get
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[20:03:33] <jthornton> I get this error when I run it in a terminal "IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'message.png'"
[20:04:04] <jthornton> I wonder if I need to put the full path to the image file in there???
[20:05:10] <jthornton> Yep, that worked thanks for the push jepler
[20:09:19] * jthornton goes back to making cannon parts
[20:10:25] <jepler> yay, I'm glad you were able to find the problem. with a little push.
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[20:45:06] <GoSebGo> If you install from the xubuntu cd, your system will have a metapackage named "xubuntu-desktop" installed. You can add ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop if you like, and choose among them when you log in
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[20:48:32] <andypugh> I am wondering if I was too rude earlier.
[20:48:40] <archivist> no
[20:50:29] <cradek> nah
[20:50:42] <jepler> too rude by whose standard -- mine? hah.
[20:50:58] <cradek> if configure passes but the build fails, that's a bit of an ass-bite
[20:51:03] <cradek> it's not clear to me that's what happened
[20:51:16] <jepler> I doubt we AC_TRY_LINK pthread
[20:51:38] <jepler> I don't see a reason to make configure take longer for an obscure misconfiguration
[20:51:40] <cradek> if you can manually move library files around and screw up your system in such a way that you fool configure, I'm not surprised and it's not a problem with anything but yourself
[20:51:58] <jepler> if I was looking at a contributed patch I might change my tune, who knows
[20:52:15] <GoSebGo> It's unfortunate that we have dependency information in two places
[20:53:47] <jepler> it would be twelve mega-awesomes if it were possible to generate configure.ac and debian/control from a single input
[20:53:51] <cradek> there's two kinds - debian packages, and system includes/libraries etc
[20:54:04] <cradek> those aren't really the same kind of dependencies at all
[20:54:12] <jepler> deduct 13 mega-awesomes if it means you have to have a debian-based system to use it
[20:54:34] <GoSebGo> Jepler, there's part of cmake that tries to do that, and rpm too
[20:54:43] <GoSebGo> I dont know jow well it works
[20:54:56] <GoSebGo> I think awallin is using it
[20:55:00] <jepler> cmake can die in a quiche fire for all I care
[20:55:25] <andypugh> Woohoo! I set off for Mesa-town on Saturday. Should be there in early April.
[20:55:46] <cradek> cool!
[20:55:51] <cradek> come see us in Nebraska.
[20:56:13] <cradek> it's only like six thousand miles from CA
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[21:30:29] <GoSebGo> The wind blew out the internet at my house
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[21:32:46] <jepler> GoSebGo: uncommonly strong winds, I guess?
[21:33:26] <GoSebGo> Yes, a big storm here
[21:34:44] <GoSebGo> I like this kind of weather
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[22:35:59] <andypugh> I see that there is a PIN_SVSS_4_8_48.vhd file in the Hostmot2 Firmwares package, but it doesn't get built.
[22:36:08] <andypugh> I think it might prove to be a useful one.
[22:43:04] <GoSebGo> Wait, "die in a quiche fire"? That... that makes no sense.
[22:49:40] <andypugh> I can imagine that quiche is quite flammable.
[22:50:33] <andypugh> Like quiche lorraine, with the bacon bits. Or Napalm Quiche, which is so dangerous that no supermarkets stock it.
[22:51:02] <GoSebGo> I love the smell of napalm in the morning
[22:51:09] <GoSebGo> It smells like... Breakfast
[22:51:44] <GoSebGo> Hey andy, stop by boulder colorado when you land :-)
[22:53:34] <andypugh> I get a strange mental image from the phrase "The smell of Napalm in the morning" as I used to play an online game with a player of that name (And have met him, and wife and kids)
http://cerulean.puzzlepirates.com/yoweb/pirate.wm?target=Napalm
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[22:54:15] <andypugh> Sadly, I will have no time for visiting, as soon as I am freed from my crew contract, I am flying back.
[22:54:20] <GoSebGo> Well dont leave us hanging
[22:54:36] <GoSebGo> What does he smell like in the morning
[22:54:53] <andypugh> I do hope to find an evening free to visit Pete, but he is 17 miles away from the Marina, not 1700
[22:55:01] <andypugh> I hate to imagine.
[22:55:27] <GoSebGo> Say hi to pcw for me!
[22:55:54] <andypugh> When I get back I might work on a Firmware-to-order-bot
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[23:44:43] <jepler> andypugh: we'll see you around
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