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[00:06:03] <jepler> 3 months away? bon voyage
[00:06:57] <andypugh> Well, I will have sporadic access for the next two weeks, then normal service for 2 weeks, then nothing at all for 2 months. I don't know if I will cope.
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[14:16:09] <skunkworks> The wiki seems to have issues http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
[14:18:54] <JT-Shop> yep, seems borked
[14:19:14] <skunkworks> Good morning
[14:19:23] <JT-Shop> Good Morning Sam
[14:36:49] <alex_joni> seems DH removed CGI.pm which the wiki needs to run
[14:38:06] <alex_joni> fixed it by supplying a local copy
[14:38:36] <archivist> or there is vulnerability
[14:38:52] <alex_joni> I'll ask SWPadnos to open a ticker and ask them
[14:38:55] <skunkworks> yay
[14:39:07] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: ^^
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[15:26:22] <JT-BP> anyone with a 2.5 installed version can you open up the hal manual from the applications > cnc menu?
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[15:39:38] <mhaberler> psha: any idea how we get the docs/src/xref.py going again (vanished in transition - still in 2.4)?
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[15:47:58] <psha> xref.py was not vanished
[15:48:01] <psha> :(
[15:48:11] <psha> it was close
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[15:55:51] <JT-Shop> only missing a bit or two?
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[16:24:11] <psha> mhaberler: was it vanished?
[16:24:30] <mhaberler> yes, gone since 2.4
[16:24:31] <psha> it's used to generate links page or to make crossreference links?
[16:25:30] <mhaberler> yes, in fact its still referred to in docs/src/Submakefile
[16:25:40] <mhaberler> but xref.py is gone
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[16:43:11] <psha> yes = links or yes crossref
[16:54:13] <mhaberler> yes crossref
[16:54:20] <mhaberler> jt brought it up
[16:55:26] <mhaberler> http://emc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2012-01-29.html#15:31:25
[17:02:14] <jepler> xref.py was very closely related to the intermediate xml form in my lyx -> xml -> html converter; I don't think it is at all applicable to the asciidoc toolchain.
[17:02:41] <jepler> or maybe not; it does seem to be reading html files not xml files
[17:05:51] <psha> crossrefs are handled by new script
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[17:24:05] <jepler> the old docs had "xref.html" which was an index of references in all the html files
[17:24:23] <jepler> xref.py built xref.xml from all the *.html files, then xslt built xref.html from xref.xml
[17:25:09] <jepler> I'm not sure, but I think jt's concern is that there's no xref.html anymore
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[17:45:25] <psha> ah
[17:45:34] <psha> yes, that's missing
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[18:07:43] <dgarr> i tried a recent buildbot deb and couldn't start axis due to a python search problem: http://www.panix.com/~dgarrett/stuff/deb_problem.txt
[18:18:15] <jepler> /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/_hal.so is not a file that is installed by the .deb
[18:19:18] <dgarr> i just did a ldd search looking for references to libemchal.so.0 since it was reported earlier
[18:19:19] <jepler> is it possible that you have this file hanging around for some unrelated reason?
[18:20:16] <jepler> dpkg-query -S /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/_hal.so
[18:20:24] <jepler> if it's not reported as coming from a package, then the file got there in some other manner
[18:20:39] <jepler> like ever doing a 'sudo make install'
[18:20:56] <jepler> even from a version configured with --prefix=/usr/local, I think
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[18:23:51] <IchGucksLive> Hi all around the world
[18:24:16] <IchGucksLive> linuxcnc does not suport mirror or i am not finding it ?
[18:24:39] <jepler> you mean multiply some coordinate by -1? no, it does not.
[18:25:03] <IchGucksLive> B)
[18:25:09] <jepler> but you can do it by generating your gcode files with e.g., X[#1*1.0], then at the top set #1 to -1 or 1 depending on whether you want to mirror in X or not.l
[18:26:20] <IchGucksLive> thanks
[18:26:37] <IchGucksLive> did you look at the final result from tonight
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[18:26:44] <jepler> not yet
[18:27:44] <IchGucksLive> if i find a switch in Liveplotter that regionises states.gcodes then it woudt be perfect to get into the real Distro
[18:28:38] <IchGucksLive> liveplotter holds only stat
[18:28:48] <jepler> why not make it an inifile preference? or do you run XYUV and XYZ from the same configuration?
[18:29:34] <IchGucksLive> i need to read about that
[18:30:18] <IchGucksLive> this is for the Education mashine there are mill drill lathe and foamcutter an the same PC
[18:30:24] <jepler> well, one example of how an inifile affects the backplot is geometry
[18:30:53] <jepler> in axis there's a global variable that has the value from the inifile
[18:30:53] <jepler> geometry = inifile.find("DISPLAY", "GEOMETRY") or "XYZBCUVW"
[18:31:03] <jepler> which is returned by get_geometry()
[18:31:04] <jepler> def get_geometry(self): return geometry
[18:31:11] <jepler> and used in various places
[18:31:29] <IchGucksLive> so liveplotter holdes the geometry
[18:31:51] <IchGucksLive> my general switch is G17.1
[18:32:10] <IchGucksLive> if 171 in states.gcodes
[18:35:01] <jepler> bbl, things to do...
[18:35:33] <IchGucksLive> GN8
[18:40:03] <dgarr> jepler: its possible, i deleted /usr/libpython2.6/dist-packages/_hal.so and then can import _hal but have other problems
[18:40:09] <dgarr> jepler: thanks for the hint
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[18:50:02] <dgarr> jepler: i removed all the non-current packaged stuff from the dist-package dir and all is well
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[19:12:27] <CIA-96> 03tissf 07v2.5_branch * rd01c371ccb72 10/docs/src/ (common/GPLD_Copyright_fr.txt config/stepconf_fr.txt): French docs: fix the title does not appear - fix the erroneous paragraph
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[19:55:59] <CIA-96> 03jthornton 07v2.5_branch * r6aa65f9b8a2a 10/docs/src/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Docs: add hal tcl
[19:55:59] <CIA-96> 03jthornton 07v2.5_branch * rf129c6021f49 10/docs/src/ (13 files in 2 dirs): Docs: add missing driver
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[20:21:10] <CIA-96> 03seb 07cncbasher-timeout * rda0101c444ec 10/src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/watchdog.c: hm2: debug printing in watchdog
[20:23:03] <CIA-96> 03seb 07cncbasher-timeout * r5368d7663451 10/src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/watchdog.c: hm2: debug printing in watchdog
[20:40:51] <cradek> weird, cia color is back now.
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[22:15:02] <jepler> cradek: I removed the color filter from the channel, but it's been days. (+c, color filter, is apparently a default)
[22:16:53] <cradek> oh hey, that would do it.
[22:26:03] <CIA-96> 03jmelson 07v2.5_branch * r517567d7a97f 10/src/hal/drivers/hal_ppmc.c: fix mutually exclusive timestamp option that shouldn't be interfered
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[22:47:14] <skunkworks> heh - I read it as 'weird, cia color is black now.' (I figured I just didn't understand what you meant...)
[22:51:04] <CIA-96> 03seb 07v2.5_branch * r236b0f88af56 10/src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/ (hostmot2.h watchdog.c): hm2: warn the user if the watchdog timeout is dangerously short
[22:51:38] <seb_kuzminsky> ^^^^^ i think that patch would have saved me and cncbasher a day each of debugging...
[22:52:15] <seb_kuzminsky> it made no sense to have a patch like that before the watchdog enable patchset, but now it does
[22:54:24] <skunkworks> so - his watchdog timer was too short?
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[22:54:37] <seb_kuzminsky> i think so
[22:55:01] <seb_kuzminsky> it was 1.007 ms, with a 1 ms servo period, so the jitter killed it
[22:55:35] <seb_kuzminsky> except i think he was also testing a different config with a better timeout, and switching back and forth sometimes
[22:55:50] <seb_kuzminsky> it was pretty confusing :-/
[22:55:54] <andypugh> I _never_ condfuse myself like that
[22:56:09] <seb_kuzminsky> debugging takes some dicipline, for sure
[22:56:27] <skunkworks> heh
[22:56:49] <seb_kuzminsky> either dicipline, or useful helper messages ;-)
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[23:05:37] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton, JT-Shop: you pushed two commits earlier today that I think broke the docs build somehow: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot-admin/builders/lucid-amd64-sim/builds/183
[23:05:53] <seb_kuzminsky> i've gotta run now, but i'll take a look at it tonight if it's not fixed
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[23:36:12] <emcPT_> A help would be appreciated here. I am not familiar with such a big project developing. I would like to try to change some features of linuxcnc to solve minor things that I would like to have on my setup.
[23:36:33] <emcPT_> I managed to download the source using git
[23:37:04] <emcPT_> and I also set up my preferred IDE, that is netbeans
[23:38:05] <emcPT_> I can compile the sources and have a working binary, that I can run from the command line. But I would like to debug using netbens.
[23:39:58] <andypugh> emcPT_: That can be tricky, depending on what you want to debug. Much of EMC2 runs in the kernel, (the realtime stuff) and can't be debugged in the normal way.
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[23:41:41] <emcPT_> debug does not go well with real time. That makes sense
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[23:54:05] <andypugh> emcPT_: What part do you want to debug? (have you fund the files yet?)
[23:57:14] <emcPT_> how the toolchange happens for example. I would like to be able to pick the start so that I can explore how things workout.
[23:59:17] <andypugh> You might be able to debug that, though I normally end up putting in code to print debug lines. There is a system for doing that, and you will see debug logging code around the place. I am trying to remember how you set the debug logging level, it is something to do with /proc/(something)/debug and echoing a new value into it.
[23:59:40] <SWPadnos> /proc/rtai/debug maybe