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[03:25:13] <jepler> :qa
[03:25:13] <jepler> argh
[03:28:09] <CIA-99> 03jepler 07v2.5_branch * r598e60d72c3d 10/src/emc/usr_intf/pncconf/ (pncconf.glade pncconf.py): pncconf: rebranding to LinuxCNC
[03:28:10] <CIA-99> 03jepler 07v2.5_branch * r49163961a6dc 10/src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/ (stepconf.glade stepconf.py): stepconf: rebranding to LinuxCNC
[03:28:11] <CIA-99> 03jepler 07v2.5_branch * re94fb8b65f1d 10/src/po/ (16 files): translations: fix some translations pertaining to stepconf
[03:38:36] <jepler> I hope I haven't stepped on cmorley's toes too badly
[03:38:46] <jepler> .. but I'd left pncconf in a state where it wouldn't even start, so I can't have made it much worse
[04:04:17] <jepler> 'night all
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[13:28:09] <jepler> well that's a good foot-shooting I've done to myself. by default, virt-manager's "Clone" doesn't clone the storage. so I had two virtual machines writing to the same disk image at the same time. ouch. they're both ruined.
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[14:55:10] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: doesnt it depend on what kind of disk image you're using? doesn't qcow2 do copy-on-write correctly for clones?
[15:05:15] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: virt-manager offers a choice to "share disk with [old virtual machine name]" (the default)
[15:05:55] <jepler> there's an option "clone this disk", but it's greyed out if you're a regular user and haven't rebuilt virtinst with this patch:
http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=python-virtinst.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a8945ddeec7b0325ec6827f6cb61d53118e5fcd
[15:05:59] <seb_kuzminsky> hm :-/
[15:06:04] <jepler> .. and "clone this disk" still isn't the default
[15:06:27] <jepler> er, actually, that patch still hasn't fixed it (made the option active in the virt-manager GUI)
[15:10:44] <jepler> so the decision about whether "clone this disk" should be available is apparently happening in the client rather than the server
[15:11:52] <jepler> I'm almost always running virt-manager from remote (qemu+ssh:///)
[15:12:48] <seb_kuzminsky> now i'm glad i usually use raw disk images and do my disk cloning outside of libvirt (in the shell)
[15:14:24] <seb_kuzminsky> also that makes it easy to mount slave disks on the host with kpartx and loopback
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[15:15:13] <jepler> huh, my newly built lucid doesn't even boot (built by vmbuilder)
[15:16:36] <seb_kuzminsky> i owe, i owe, so off to work i go
[15:16:40] <jepler> see you
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[16:33:38] <GoSebGo> Hi John!
[16:34:06] <JT-Shop> Hi Seb, just got my internet connection back up :/
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[16:44:13] <clytle374> Seb, got a quick question. What are the chances hm2 doesn't work with newer gcc/glib/glibc?
[16:44:25] <clytle374> Just wondering since 2.6.32.2 breaks the same way
[16:51:45] <clytle374> gotta go.
[17:01:57] <GoSebGo> clytle374: i dont think glib or glibc can affect hm2
[17:02:31] <GoSebGo> And it works well with 2.6.32, as far as i know (our lucid kernel)
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[17:16:46] <jepler> GoSebGo: about the design of the watchdog in the linuxcnc hm2 driver
[17:17:04] <jepler> GoSebGo: it's my understanding that the watchdog is armed at 'loadrt' time and not petted until after realtime threads are started
[17:17:16] <jepler> is that the current design?
[17:17:17] <GoSebGo> Yes
[17:17:39] <jepler> what would happen if the watchdog wasn't armed until the first time it was petted?
[17:17:56] <GoSebGo> It would be better
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[17:18:12] <GoSebGo> It could have a more reasonable timeout
[17:18:38] <jepler> do you know whether the technical barriers to doing it this way are major or minor?
[17:19:24] <GoSebGo> I dont remember any major technical obstacles, but i havent looked at that code for years
[17:19:44] <GoSebGo> I'll check it out tonight
[17:19:57] <GoSebGo> For master, not 2.5, right?
[17:21:06] <jepler> I'm not the guy who answers that question :-P
[17:22:59] <jepler> if it turns out to be a simple and trustable change I might suggest it for 2.5 inclusion. if it's the remotest bit iffy I would put it on master
[17:23:16] <GoSebGo> Yop
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[17:43:11] <cradek> I agree with jepler> if it turns out to be a simple and trustable change I might suggest it for 2.5 inclusion. if it's the remotest bit iffy I would put it on master
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[17:59:57] <IchGucksLive> hi i looked at all git docus that i coudt find but it is more confuling then before to me
[18:00:36] <IchGucksLive> i now get 5 requests for this foam cutting modification on linuxcnc per day
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[18:01:05] <IchGucksLive> how can i overcome this is there anyone here that speeks german
[18:01:50] <IchGucksLive> for this git isuue or to get a 2.5.x xyuv stand alone version (branch) to download
[18:03:50] <IchGucksLive> i simply dont understand the hole system of this git to be modified to a only for this version
[18:07:59] <IchGucksLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Git#Registered_user_checkouts i think this is my key
[18:08:55] <IchGucksLive> i understand this as follow a version of 2.4.7 with specials from the user
[18:10:05] <IchGucksLive> so if someone pulls (git clone) this and compile it it will have only the changes of this user version
[18:10:56] <IchGucksLive> please korrect me or talk to me
[18:12:50] <IchGucksLive> psha ?
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[18:13:29] <awallin> if you are a registered used then you have created ssh keys on your machine, and alex_joni or cradek or whoever watches over the git-repo needs to put your public key on the server. did you do that?
[18:14:25] <IchGucksLive> i dont think so i startet only for me and now it spreds over the Forums cnc world
[18:14:40] <IchGucksLive> and on youtube everyone is connecting me
[18:15:05] <IchGucksLive> and with all this miss around i even have no running version in place here
[18:15:55] <awallin> you can easily put your own version of the git repo onto github or gitorious or some other site
[18:16:01] <IchGucksLive> its not that hack 3commands and 2planes out of glconon
[18:16:08] <awallin> that way people can use/test it
[18:16:47] <JT-Shop> IchGucksLive: did you create a new branch for your version?
[18:17:02] <IchGucksLive> no i got nothing here now
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[18:17:39] <IchGucksLive> the system im now on is clean of linuxcnc
[18:19:05] <IchGucksLive> it woudt be good to start on a running 2.4.7
[18:19:16] <JT-Shop> so you want to start a branch with your changes based on 2.4.7?
[18:19:23] <IchGucksLive> for me the word branch is not to be translated in a suitable understanding
[18:19:56] <JT-Shop> hmmm a version with your changes based on 2.4.7?
[18:19:57] <IchGucksLive> JT-Shop: if possible yes
[18:20:22] <JT-Shop> give me a bit of time I have those instructions down in the beer cave
[18:20:24] <IchGucksLive> or is 2.6-pre running stable
[18:20:43] <JT-Shop> I've not tried to use 2.6 pre
[18:21:04] <IchGucksLive> in sim it wors but in real mashining
[18:21:15] <IchGucksLive> works
[18:21:40] <IchGucksLive> im taken you advise on what to start on
[18:21:44] <awallin> 2.6.pre was quite a mess just 2 days ago, because of the name-change.
[18:21:58] <IchGucksLive> glcanon and axis is not that development since
[18:21:59] <JT-Shop> and 2.5
[18:22:21] <IchGucksLive> awallin: agree on that
[18:22:46] <IchGucksLive> iv never worked on 2.5 realtime
[18:22:56] <IchGucksLive> but as i said on your advise
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[18:33:17] <IchGucksLive> git init Create an empty git repository or reinitialize an existing one
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[18:36:46] <jthornton> ok, I'm here in the beer cave now
[18:37:19] <jthornton> from this page
[18:37:46] <jthornton> IchGucksLive: do you have git installed?
[18:37:55] <IchGucksLive> git clone ssh://linuxcnc-xyuv-foam@git.linuxcnc.org/git/linuxcnc.git linuxcnc-xyuv-dev
[18:38:02] <IchGucksLive> yes i got it
[18:38:15] <IchGucksLive> woudt be good to have it that way
[18:40:16] <jthornton> I don't know how to do it that way for you unless you hosted the git repository like others do
[18:40:39] <IchGucksLive> what does this mean
[18:40:53] <IchGucksLive> files on my server ?
[18:41:01] <IchGucksLive> my homepage ?
[18:41:27] <jthornton> you would have to ask psha or mah how they do that part
[18:41:38] <IchGucksLive> ok
[18:41:42] <IchGucksLive> i will do +
[18:42:00] <jthornton> my limit of knowledge is down loading and patching and making local branches
[18:42:02] <IchGucksLive> but i think in that triome this week they got realy other problems
[18:42:29] <IchGucksLive> what is a local branche only for me on my mashine PC
[18:43:04] <jthornton> yes, but you can make a patch from that and others can apply the patch
[18:44:00] <IchGucksLive> where is the patch lockated as the master branche also changes
[18:45:18] <jthornton> it is just a text file that you can share with others
[18:45:21] <IchGucksLive> someone last week said my commit patch wored on 2.6-pre B)
[18:45:37] <IchGucksLive> i know how to do a patch
[18:45:52] <jthornton> I'm beginning to think that I don't understand what your trying to do
[18:46:04] <IchGucksLive> but the user got to have the same version i guess
[18:49:31] <IchGucksLive> i will sleep one more night on this to restart programming
[18:51:42] <psha> jthornton: he have one
[18:51:45] <psha> hm
[18:51:50] <psha> linuxcnc.org?
[18:51:57] <psha> read as github )
[18:52:11] <psha> jthornton: we have repos on our local servers
[18:52:19] <psha> he may use github or gitorious
[18:53:19] <IchGucksLive> psha woudt it not be best to pull clone a 2.4.7 than make patch and mail out the patch
[18:54:00] <psha> usually if you don't want to bother with public repo - it's the way
[18:54:15] <psha> but instead of 'pull clone 2.4.7' all you need is checkout 2.4 branch
[18:54:58] <IchGucksLive> so then the user will have the change
[18:55:20] <IchGucksLive> or only the linuxcnc 2.4.7
[18:55:42] <IchGucksLive> as i understand there is no 2.4.8
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[18:56:50] <psha> don't understand :)
[18:57:21] <IchGucksLive> checkout is this for dev or for real work
[18:57:37] <psha> checkout is to get source tree of desired version
[18:57:41] <psha> either for dev or for work
[18:57:49] <IchGucksLive> ok
[18:58:15] <psha> after you'll make correct patch (against 2.4.7 tag) it'll be commited to master (2.6 branch)
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[19:01:25] <IchGucksLive> is a branch a master copy
[19:01:56] <IchGucksLive> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Git#Work_with_branches
[19:03:05] <IchGucksLive> git checkout -b v2.4_branch origin/v2.4_branch -> is this'origin/v2.4_branch ' Fix naming
[19:04:45] <IchGucksLive> psha what on go with this You can create your own branch based off another branch: git branch my-topic master
[19:06:18] <IchGucksLive> my-topic then xyuv-foam
[19:08:41] <IchGucksLive> psha: so i start here wright
[19:09:00] <IchGucksLive> git checkout -b v2.4_branch origin/v2.4_branch
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[19:11:35] <IchGucksLive> fatal: Not a git repository (or any of the parent directories): .git
[19:12:33] <IchGucksLive> ok i give up for today we will se how this develops
[19:12:49] <IchGucksLive> Thanks all for your help on this
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[19:19:03] <jepler> I see I'm too late, but two notes: for most git commands you must be in the directory you created earlier with 'git clone'
[19:20:30] <jepler> and second is that you need to start your branch from the right place (if your next step is to copy a file from elsewhere, you need to start at the same revision as that file originally started in)
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[19:30:27] <cradek> jepler: his second try at the patch, to -developers on Jan 17, is much cleaner. did you review it too?
[19:31:04] <jepler> cradek: no, I didn't see a second patch.
[19:31:05] <cradek> ~f Lothar
[19:31:19] <jepler> will look
[19:32:51] <psha> sorry, was afk...
[19:32:53] <psha> :(
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[19:49:56] <jepler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trademark_Classes
[19:50:51] <jepler> apparently by international treaty, "fire-extinguishing apparatus" and "optical apparatus" are in the same category in the "Nice Agreement Concerning the International Classification of Goods and Services for the Purposes of the Registration of Marks"
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[22:21:14] <clytle374> It might be more that just the watchdog. While I can reset the watchdog, and 1 out of 10 times it doesn't bite. The pinouts printed to dmesg are not complete.
[22:21:17] <clytle374> I've have built 2.6.32 with rtai 3.8 with the exact same issue. I've built about 6 diffrent kernels between 32 and 38 with rtai3.8/magma/vulcano combos
[22:21:37] <clytle374> http://pastebin.com/wSzz6ZCz
[22:22:01] <clytle374> Seems like that only leaves libs and gcc.
[22:23:54] <clytle374> Lines running together or interrupting each other often happen in pinout portion of dmesg
[22:24:36] <clytle374> I even built 2.6.32 with the config out of the emc live disk
[22:25:19] <clytle374> Changed out every piece of hardware except for the mouse and keyboard
[22:26:05] <andypugh> FWIW my keyboard has a tendency to disconnect and interrupt the dmesg...
[22:30:07] <andypugh> I have a wierd problem too, now:
http://www.machine-dro.co.uk/dial-co-axial-centering-alignment-indicator-metric.html
[22:30:22] <andypugh> Ah, so, I can't copy from a VNC session.
[22:30:24] <andypugh> Ignore that.
[22:30:42] <skunkworks> heh
[22:31:06] <clytle374> keyboard messing up dmesg? Are you messing with me?
[22:31:43] <andypugh> No, but I do get a message that the keyboard has disconnected in the middle of the stream, rather than your specific wierdness.
[22:31:58] <clytle374> oh, that makes sense.
[22:32:59] <clytle374> do you have a problem with the indicator?
[22:33:07] <andypugh> Anyway, for whatever reason hal_manualtoolchange is not working for me on a recent pull of 2,5
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[22:34:06] <andypugh> clytle374: No, the indicator is fine, and was left over in the clipboard from a previous discussion. I was trying to paste a segment of dmesg from a VNC window.
[22:36:27] <andypugh> I guess that it might require the workaround that mharberler suggested earlier?
[22:50:47] <andypugh> No, that wasn't it.
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[22:57:08] <jepler> andypugh: I tested with configs/sim/axis/axis.tcl and v2.5.0-pre2-748-ge94fb8b (rip). T1M6 popped up a dialog as expected.
[22:57:42] <andypugh> Curious.
[22:58:03] <andypugh> My problem was with sim-lathe (standard RIP compile)
[22:58:13] <andypugh> It won't even start up.
[22:58:27] <jepler> clytle374: what do you have CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT set to? In ubuntu it's 17, which means that 128kiB can sit in the buffer before being read out by klogd
[22:59:15] <jepler> andypugh: also fine for me when running configs/sim/axis/lathe.ini
[22:59:38] <andypugh> Let me try again...
[23:00:25] <andypugh> I think I might know what the problem was
[23:00:49] <clytle374> jepler, I'll check into that. I got this idea late last night to downgrade glibc/glib/gcc.
[23:00:56] <clytle374> System did not survive
[23:00:59] <andypugh> I was in 2.4, checked out 2.5, didn't re-run the environment script.
[23:01:14] <jepler> andypugh: oh! that could do it (and we don't do anything to detect that situation)
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[23:05:52] <jepler> bbl
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[23:11:39] <andypugh> Ah, and I see that the emc-environment script might have changed name...
[23:19:32] <jepler> naturally :-/
[23:19:40] <jepler> and not to the first thing you might have guessed, either
[23:20:20] <andypugh> There was a clear clue in the "you now need to run sudo make setuid" box :-)
[23:21:12] <andypugh> Yes, 'tis working now.
[23:21:45] <andypugh> I tend to forget about emc/rip-environment as it is in my .bashrc
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[23:49:47] <skunkworks> this sudo apt-get build-dep emc2 doesn't work - but sudo apt-get build-dep linuxcnc also doesn't work
[23:50:34] <clytle374> jepler, isn't CONFIG_LOG_BUF_SHIFT just the size of the log you get when executing dmesg?
[23:56:42] <clytle374> skunkworks, sorry I can't help. But what version of Ubuntu? The emc live? Or a newer one?