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[00:15:27] <mshaver> andypugh: Slipping that bldc.ko into /usr/realtime... causes EMC to throw a conniption fit. I think we'll have to wait for Seb's robot army to finish the debs :)
[00:15:44] <andypugh> comp ought to work
[00:16:02] <mshaver> I'll try that! But as to your other question....
[00:16:08] <andypugh> sudo apt-get emc2-dev might be required
[00:16:17] <mshaver> yes
[00:16:20] <andypugh> But there is no need for the source
[00:18:36] <mshaver> If you look at the 8i20 manual, page 7 and 8 (version 1.8) the fault word is 2 bytes (correct), but on page 9 the status is one byte.
[00:19:23] <mshaver> But I have gotten a value of 4938 - 2 bytes
[00:19:37] <andypugh> I don't read that part of the manual, I started at the back.
[00:19:42] <mshaver> 0x4938 I mean
[00:19:49] <mshaver> Ok, looking at that...
[00:20:04] <andypugh> Page 30 and 31 say that they are words
[00:21:04] <mshaver> Page 19 shows status as one byte - looking at 30-31 now...
[00:22:57] <andypugh> I am thinking that as it is at the moment Pete is free to add more flags if he wants, they just don't currently mean anything.
[00:23:31] <mshaver> On the first page, what is your manual revision?
[00:23:38] <mshaver> I am at 1.8
[00:24:00] <andypugh> 1.2 preliminary :-)
[00:24:09] <mshaver> OK, I have that one too...
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[00:25:22] <andypugh> OK, 30 and 31 have moved to 31 and 32, content is similar
[00:25:25] <mshaver> Not much difference, and you're right - MSW and LSW
[00:25:46] <mshaver> where "W" is probably inferring 16 bits
[00:26:21] <mshaver> So, where are the bit definitions? In the source right :)
[00:26:33] <andypugh> I think he has filled up all of the comms bits now, so it seems short-sighted to limit the others :-)
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[00:27:30] <andypugh> No, I think that the extra bits are meaningless at the moment, but I don't see much harm in leaving them there as long as the defined bits are present.
[00:27:37] <mshaver> True - I just wanted to be able to decode my errors.
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[00:28:58] <andypugh> I have done a "wait for valid firmware" thing
[00:29:14] <mshaver> So, ILIMITEDSTATUS is bit 0 of a 16 bit word then, and the upper order bits are undefined.
[00:29:19] <andypugh> It will break if Pete actually gets up to firmware 176
[00:29:52] <mshaver> You accept values up to 175 then?
[00:30:11] <mshaver> 0xAF
[00:30:18] <andypugh> and 178+
[00:30:53] <mshaver> Well, he's at 31 now, so it may be weeks before that happens...
[00:31:06] <andypugh> Ah, no. 0xAA is the actual number isn't it?
[00:32:02] <mshaver> No, thats a code to tell you that things aren't done initializing yet and that you should wait a bit (or so PCCW explained to me).
[00:32:11] <andypugh> So, are you happy to ignore high-order bits?
[00:32:30] <andypugh> If so, I can push what I have now
[00:32:37] <mshaver> Oh, sure! I just want to know what the valid bits mean!
[00:32:42] <mshaver> Push away!
[00:33:48] <mshaver> None of this is an issue with anything a customer will see. I got these values displayed and tried to match them up to the book.
[00:35:47] <andypugh> I asked psha for an int-to-led array GladeVCP widget, I don't know if it happened.
[00:36:50] <mshaver> I was pondering how I was going to make that kind of display, then I came to my senses and decided I would just manually decode it. But if he comes up with that...
[00:37:34] <CIA-10> EMC: 03andypugh 07v2.5_branch * r70f0768b65c3 10/src/hal/drivers/mesa-hostmot2/ (resolver.c sserial.c): Minor tweaks: don't report a spurious SSLBP firmware version, and squash a compiler warning in resolver.c
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[00:37:41] <emc2-buildmaster> Hey! build checkin #38 is complete: Success [build successful]
[00:37:41] <emc2-buildmaster> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/38
[00:38:13] <mshaver> In fact, with this Smart Serial stuff, EMC's reporting of errors to the user could use a little spiffing up maybe.
[00:38:46] <mshaver> I have to try this...
[00:38:48] <mshaver> emc2-buildmaster: watch checkin
[00:38:48] <emc2-buildmaster> watching build checkin #39 until it finishes [1h05m09s]..
[00:38:49] <andypugh> The error handling is fairly elaborate, with increment and decrement counters etc.
[00:39:15] <mshaver> No, I mean the screen display of errors in the GUI
[00:39:33] <andypugh> I don't do GUIs :-)
[00:39:56] <mshaver> I do everything ;)
[00:40:45] <andypugh> I have done GUIs in the past, I mean that I have no current involvement in the EMC2 guis
[00:40:55] <mshaver> OK, time to install build 38 and try out the new bldc.ko
[00:41:49] <mshaver> I know, just yanking your chain. I've got to try out that GladeVCP thing someday.
[00:42:07] <mshaver> I use PyVCP a lot for diagnostic stuff.
[00:43:13] <andypugh> GladeVCP is a lot prettier, and you can embed code in the widgets, so no need to link buttons to analogue inputs to mdi_commands to subroutines, etc.
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[02:12:58] <emc2-buildmaster> Hey! build checkin #39 is complete: Success [build successful]
[02:12:58] <emc2-buildmaster> Build details are at
http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/checkin/builds/39
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[07:12:27] <clytle374> Putting this here so you all see it. The watchdog biting issue I had is related to emc 2.5
[07:12:50] <clytle374> I built 2.4 and it went away. All other things are the same on the system
[07:14:23] <clytle374> kernel is 2.6.35.9, rtai is CVS vulcano. Same problem with CVS magna, 2.6.39, &64bit
[07:15:03] <clytle374> Must be some change in rtai or the kernel causing it to happen.
[07:15:26] <clytle374> goodnight, be around tomorrow if anyone wants to know more.
[07:16:04] <clytle374> fyi: the watchdog was biting while the 5i20 was outputting the pinout to dmesg
[07:16:29] <clytle374> and I can reproduce... 100%
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[07:24:45] <KimK> emc2-buildmaster: help
[07:24:45] <emc2-buildmaster> Get help on what? (try 'help <foo>', or 'commands' for a command list)
[07:24:55] <KimK> emc2-buildmaster: commands
[07:24:55] <emc2-buildmaster> buildbot commands: commands, dance, destroy, excited, force, hello, help, last, list, mute, notify, source, status, stop, unmute, version, watch
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[08:54:18] <garage_seb> jepler, what machine builds the html docs at linuxcnc.org/docs?
[08:54:43] <garage_seb> the docs at buildbot.linuxcnc.org/doc are built on lucid, and the page titles are all screwed up
[08:55:03] <garage_seb> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode/gcode.html
[08:55:12] <garage_seb> http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/doc/v2.5_branch/v2.5.0-pre2-542-g70f0768/html/gcode/gcode.html
[08:55:37] <garage_seb> there's an anchor in the buildbot-built page title... asciidoc version mismatch?
[08:59:17] <garage_seb> the buildbot has asciidoc 8.5.2-1ubuntu1
[09:01:54] <KimK> Hi Seb, I see that the two links you posted seem to be slightly different (5.3 vs. 5.4, 42.6 vs. 42.7, more?) does that make a difference?
[09:04:17] <garage_seb> hm? i didn't notice that
[09:04:32] <garage_seb> oh, you're right
[09:04:50] <garage_seb> oh i'm a retard
[09:05:16] <garage_seb> the non-buildbot link was to the 2.6 (master) docs
[09:05:25] <garage_seb> the non-buildbot docs have the same bug:
[09:05:43] <garage_seb> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/gcode/gcode.html
[09:06:02] <garage_seb> ok, so it's probably an actual bug in the docs then
[09:06:12] <garage_seb> oh well, a job for another night
[09:06:22] <garage_seb> goodnight kim
[09:06:32] <KimK> goodnight Seb
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[14:07:40] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: lucid. but you're comparing the wrong file.
http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.5/html/gcode/gcode.html
[14:07:46] <jepler> so we both have the same problem
[14:09:02] <jepler> 2.5 has this:
[14:09:03] <jepler> -= G Codes[[cha:g-codes]](((G Codes)))
[14:09:09] <jepler> and master has this:
[14:09:10] <jepler> += G Codes
[14:09:10] <jepler> +
[14:09:10] <jepler> +(((G Codes)))
[14:09:54] <jepler> introduced recently, in the case of gcode.txt
[14:10:08] <jepler> d7ad2a5 Docs: fix typos and clean up descriptions
[14:11:53] <JT-Shop> so the chapter title needs to be on a line by itself?
[14:12:39] <jepler> I am not being so brave as to say what the solution is
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[14:12:47] <jepler> in fact, I'm feeling pretty cowardly at the moment.
[14:12:50] <JT-Shop> I'll do some testing in a minute
[14:18:31] <jthornton> I had so many screens open in Firefox I never saw the link
[14:22:45] <jthornton> looks like about 20 or so are that way and I found another different problem with a couple more
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[14:35:41] <jthornton> I'll have them all fixed in a bit
[14:36:15] <jepler> thanks!
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[15:11:55] <jthornton> in figure 3 how did the extra tabs get there in halshow?
http://linuxcnc.org/docview/2.5/html/hal/halshow.html
[15:13:46] <CIA-10> EMC: 03jthornton 07v2.5_branch * rf8b3cca0a437 10/docs/src/ (16 files in 3 dirs): Docs: each file must be a chapter to display properly in HTML
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[15:23:51] <jepler> jthornton: by invoking Scripts > Hal Config in tkemc
[15:24:00] <jepler> however, there are presently a bunch of problems which seem to make this crash on startup
[15:24:33] <jthornton> ok, I had not seen it before so I was wondering what it was
[15:27:01] <jepler> it's basically Show Hal Configuration + Calibration in one window, and except that it's broken
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[15:29:34] <jthornton> ok thanks, I should replace that screen shot without the Calibration tabs so as to not confuse anyone
[15:29:39] <jepler> yes probably
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[15:54:49] <jepler> in 2006 we split the 'show' and 'watch' parts of halconfig.tcl into halshow.tcl. at around the same time, the functionality in the 'Axis #' tabs was implemented in emccalib.tcl instead, possibly using some source salvaged from halconfig.tcl. Since then a lot of bugfixes have gone into each of those separate programs. Probably we should remove halconfig and the references to it..
[15:55:45] <jepler> if I recall, the 2006 split was related to the fact that even then the tuning tabs weren't working right
[15:56:11] <jepler> bbl
[15:56:49] <jthornton> ok, thanks jepler
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[16:17:04] <CIA-10> EMC: 03jthornton 07v2.5_branch * r8f90a6f694c2 10/docs/src/ (80 files in 9 dirs): Docs: fix chapter titles
[16:40:51] <seb_kuzminsky> jthornton: thanks for the fix, it looks mo' bedda!
[16:43:29] <seb_kuzminsky> whoops, the Documentation -> FAQ link on linuxcnc.org is 404
[16:43:46] <seb_kuzminsky> click on "Frequently Asked Questions" here:
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/documentation
[16:44:20] <seb_kuzminsky> same with "Becoming a contributor" on that page
[16:45:39] <seb_kuzminsky> same with "bug reports"
[16:46:35] <JT-Shop> must be leftover from the jomula upgrade
[16:46:47] <seb_kuzminsky> that makes sense
[16:47:08] <seb_kuzminsky> the "Technical Articles" link works, and goes to a page with some good info on it
[16:47:16] <seb_kuzminsky> i'd love to see it integrated into our real docs
[16:47:31] <seb_kuzminsky> oh, JT-Shop! i didn't see you standing there! ;-)
[16:47:50] <JT-Shop> that would be easy to do
[16:48:05] <seb_kuzminsky> easy for an asciidoc ninja maybe
[16:48:08] <JT-Shop> looks like there is no link just a blank url for the 404 ones
[16:48:12] <JT-Shop> LOL
[16:48:43] <seb_kuzminsky> when i mouse-over the FAQ link, it gives me this URL:
http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/xfaq/
[16:49:49] <seb_kuzminsky> well i'm out of here, taking the family out for breakfast, though probably not this awesome:
http://www.thatsnerdalicious.com/bacon/the-pork-waffle-house-breakfast-time/
[16:49:54] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
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[16:54:29] <JT-Shop> the fix for the links seems to be above my pay scale atm, maybe alex_joni can look at them :)
[16:56:36] <jepler> anyway, not going to push this fix, but in case somebody wants it for posterity:
http://emergent.unpythonic.net/files/sandbox/0001-halconfig-fix-some-of-the-more-glaring-problems.patch
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[20:16:20] <CIA-10> EMC: 03tissf 07v2.5_branch * rba8262a8225d 10/docs/src/common/Getting_EMC_fr.txt: French docs - cleaning
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