#emc-devel | Logs for 2009-06-14

[01:01:43] <KimK> KimK is now known as KimK_afk
[01:14:27] <geo01005_home> how long does it take for a message to be sent on the developers list.
[01:14:36] <SWPadnos> it varies
[01:14:38] <SWPadnos> a lot
[01:15:01] <SWPadnos> the patch you sent has arrived here
[01:15:03] <geo01005_home> an hour?
[01:15:22] <SWPadnos> if you don't get it in a few minutes, it will probably take 2 hours, 4 hours, a day, or longer
[01:15:37] <geo01005_home> hmm, I didn't receive the mail. Do I not get it if I sent it?
[01:15:41] <SWPadnos> those are some often-used retry intervals for SMTP servers
[01:16:03] <SWPadnos> you should get it, but there is a preference on SF to not receive your own emails (I think)
[01:16:07] <SWPadnos> check your settings
[01:17:18] <geo01005_home> So did I make the patch properly?
[01:17:35] <SWPadnos> it looks right, but I haven't tried to apply it :)
[01:20:22] <geo01005_home> The settings looks right, it just must be slow.
[01:20:31] <SWPadnos> it happens
[01:20:57] <SWPadnos> we're not very impressed with SF at the moment, and mailing list issues are one reason for that
[01:21:35] <Roguish> hey all. just looking at the dapper install script and it is missing the /dist/ in the path, i think....?
[01:22:11] <Roguish> grep -q emc2 /etc/apt/sources.list || sudo sh -c 'echo "deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/ dapper emc2.2" >>/etc/apt/sources.list; echo "deb-src http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/ dapper emc2.2" >>/etc/apt/sources.list'
[01:23:18] <Roguish> this is the path, i think: www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/dists/dapper/..
[01:23:49] <SWPadnos> nope
[01:24:13] <SWPadnos> on my dapper machine, the server ends with emc2/, and the dist is dapper
[01:24:38] <SWPadnos> I could look at that in Synaptic I suppose, but the line in sources.list is just like the script shows
[01:24:47] <SWPadnos> for 2.3 anyway
[01:24:58] <mozmck> is there duplicated functionality between hal and nml?
[01:25:01] <Roguish> look at the web site.
[01:25:38] <SWPadnos> which web site?
[01:25:55] <Roguish> http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/dists/dapper/
[01:26:18] <Roguish> not the 'dists'
[01:26:18] <SWPadnos> yes
[01:26:29] <Roguish> note
[01:26:42] <Roguish> maybe i'm missing something
[01:27:06] <SWPadnos> I guess apt looks in the dists/ directory automatically
[01:27:17] <SWPadnos> the deb line in my sources.list looks like this:
[01:27:35] <Roguish> my 'stock' emc2 is stuck at 2.2.8
[01:27:38] <SWPadnos> deb http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/ dapper emc2.3
[01:27:44] <SWPadnos> yes, that's the latest 2.2
[01:27:47] <SWPadnos> change the 2.2 to 2.3
[01:27:55] <Roguish> where?
[01:28:02] <SWPadnos> in /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:28:16] <SWPadnos> the script won't change it if you already have "emc2" in the sources list
[01:28:22] <Roguish> oh crap. how did i know that
[01:28:33] <SWPadnos> that's what "grep -q emc2 /etc/apt/sources.list || " does
[01:28:44] <SWPadnos> if you don't find emc2, then do the other stuff :)
[01:29:05] <SWPadnos> the wiki page on updating gives instructions on how to change your siurces file
[01:29:13] <SWPadnos> and you can do it with synaptic as well
[01:29:25] <SWPadnos> just go to "Repositories", and edit the two that have emc in the name
[01:30:50] <Roguish> ok editted the sources.list
[01:31:10] <Roguish> ok, guess i really missed that.....
[01:31:15] <SWPadnos> heh
[01:31:22] <SWPadnos> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UpdatingTo2.3
[01:31:37] <SWPadnos> you will need to make a few changes to your configs
[01:31:53] <Roguish> yeah, all over that.
[01:33:31] <Roguish> updating now.
[01:34:30] <Roguish> hey. is 'HOME_FINAL_VEL' working?
[01:34:53] <Roguish> doesn't seem to on my system.
[01:35:23] <Roguish> switching to emc away from emc-devel.
[01:39:47] <SWPadnos> err
[01:40:01] <SWPadnos> I don't know that there have been changes to homing lately
[01:44:02] <Roguish> thanks again for all the help. got the system to 2.3.1
[01:44:05] <Roguish> ciao.
[02:50:42] <cradek> ngc needs a first-peck-is-different for the peck drill cycle
[03:08:56] <cradek> (or some way to use those retract modes to do it)
[03:23:55] <CIA-48> EMC: 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/task/emctaskmain.cc: revert to r1.139, r1.140 causes task to lock up using 100% CPU
[14:28:58] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: somebody tripped over your wire
[14:29:01] <alex_joni> alot
[14:29:48] <BigJohnT> yea, one time I had a 12kbps connection
[14:31:11] <BigJohnT> alex_joni: why does stepgen position feedback not exactly equal to the commanded position after a move?
[14:33:05] <jepler> how great a difference is there? A difference of less than 1/2 step, for instance, can make no physical difference.
[14:33:20] <jepler> I would be surprised to see a difference of more than 1/2 step after a stepgen has stopped
[14:33:22] <BigJohnT> and if you command an axis to move 0.0010 the motor-pos-cmd is 0.0009999999999
[14:33:26] <BigJohnT> it is real small
[14:33:48] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: motor-pos-cmd takes deadband into account
[14:34:09] <alex_joni> and the feedback from the stepgen can be < 1 step away
[14:34:27] <alex_joni> either just short of the position, or slightly over, depending which step is closer
[14:34:39] <BigJohnT> motor-pos-cmd is 0.000999999999 and fb is 0.00099999847
[14:35:07] <alex_joni> 0.00099999847 is probably a multiple of your stepsize
[14:35:23] <alex_joni> starting from the initial position
[14:35:56] <BigJohnT> ok, I was just wondering when I was watching them in the watch window
[14:36:38] <alex_joni> closed loop is a bitch :D
[14:38:09] <BigJohnT_> I guess I'll give up on the internet today... way too lumpy
[14:45:40] <alex_joni> does anyone understand what alsmt wants here? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2798399&group_id=6744&atid=356744
[14:48:55] <cradek> I think he wants one button for pause/resume
[14:49:00] <jepler> he wants to have a two-position switch where one position forces emc to always single step and the other position doesn't
[14:49:07] <cradek> which easy to do with ladder
[14:49:27] <cradek> ok, we read it two different ways
[14:49:42] <cradek> I figured he meant a button (which is plenty possible already)
[14:50:48] <cradek> since halui already has is-paused and is-running or however they're spelled
[14:51:03] <jepler> if I read his comment right, he admits that whatever it is he wanted, he did in ladder already
[14:51:46] <alex_joni> * alex_joni decides it's too much trouble to figure out what he wants/means
[14:52:49] <cradek> 'pause shouldn't pause until the move is over' in the comment (which has nothing to do with the feature request?) is not what I would want
[14:53:57] <alex_joni> "switch to step mode" should probably pause after the current move
[14:56:57] <cradek> if there is more than one way to get from run to paused/stepping, I agree that could be one of them
[14:57:19] <alex_joni> well.. when someone decides to rewrite task
[16:15:48] <micges> logger_dev: bookmask
[16:15:48] <micges> I'm logging. I don't understand 'bookmask', micges. Try /msg logger_dev help
[16:16:03] <micges> logger_dev: bookmark
[16:16:03] <micges> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emcdevel/2009-06-14.txt
[18:38:17] <alex_joni> crap, missed micges :/
[18:56:49] <CIA-48> EMC: 03cmorley 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/user_comps/pyvcp.py: add option to set intial position and/or size of root window when loading a pyvcp panel
[19:16:50] <alex_joni> good night all